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12:50:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:50:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:50:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
12:50:23 <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2014
12:50:32 <Kathy> zakim, this will be 6283
12:50:32 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Kathy
12:51:12 <Kathy> agenda+ Personas Survey Questions
12:51:29 <Kathy> agenda+ Mobile Accessibility Techniques Status
12:51:37 <Kathy> agenda+ Mobile Resources
12:51:46 <Kathy> agenda+ Next Steps
12:51:50 <Kathy> agenda?
14:01:02 <Kathy> zakim, this will be 6283
14:01:02 <Zakim> ok, Kathy; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes
14:01:15 <Kathy> chair: Kathy
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14:36:37 <KimPatch> agenda?
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14:51:10 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
14:51:17 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
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14:52:13 <Alan_> Kathy did you get my email that I cannot scribe today? Gmail must have been down.
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14:57:30 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
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14:59:36 <Kathy> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:59:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin
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14:59:41 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
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14:59:51 <Zakim> +Jeanne
14:59:54 <Zakim> +DavidTodd
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15:00:30 <Zakim> +Kathleen
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15:01:17 <DavidTodd> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:01:17 <Zakim> sorry, DavidTodd, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:01:21 <Zakim> +Detlev
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15:01:49 <Detlev> zakim, mute me
15:01:49 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
15:02:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:10 <alistair> zakim, ipcaller is alistair
15:02:10 <Zakim> +alistair; got it
15:03:17 <Kathy> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan_Smith, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Kathleen, Detlev (muted), alistair
15:03:42 <Detlev> I can scribe
15:03:46 <Kathy> scribe: Detlev
15:04:09 <Detlev> How do zou do that, picking agenda items?
15:04:27 <Detlev> ack me
15:04:42 <KimPatch> zakim, next item
15:04:42 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Personas Survey Questions" taken up [from Kathy]
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15:04:58 <Detlev> Kathy: currently aligning mobile a11y TF aligning with other groups
15:05:28 <Zakim> +EricP
15:05:32 <Detlev> kathy: Next Tues get together with WCAG WG group to co-ordinate work on techniques
15:05:43 <wuwei> zakim, EricP is wuwei
15:05:43 <Zakim> +wuwei; got it
15:05:57 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_User_Survey_Questions
15:06:16 <Detlev> Kathy: Alan & Gavin looking at questions to be entered into survey for use of mobile
15:06:25 <wuwei> zakim, mute me
15:06:25 <Zakim> wuwei should now be muted
15:06:42 <Detlev> Kathy: Suggests reading through draft survey to then decide where we want to go
15:08:49 <Detlev> Kathleen: Include Q about the kind of devices people had tried using?
15:09:47 <Detlev> Kathy: Purpose is to collect information on actual use of devices by users with disabilities, what combination
15:10:01 <Detlev> Kathy: Create personas from that information
15:10:35 <DavidTodd> q+
15:10:42 <KimPatch> q+
15:11:16 <DavidTodd> q-
15:11:26 <Detlev> Sorry I missed this...
15:11:31 <alistair> q+
15:12:12 <Detlev> Kathy: Survey still very much a draft
15:12:31 <Detlev> David: contact info should be included upfront (optional)
15:12:39 <jeanne> q* to add country to demographics
15:12:59 <Kathy> q?
15:13:18 <Detlev> Kim: Maybe have an open-ended Q at the end (anything else you want to say?)
15:13:31 <jeanne> I think you get the best info from the open-ended.
15:13:32 <Detlev> Ki: How do people feel about that?
15:13:41 <Detlev> David: Good idea
15:13:47 <Detlev> Alan: agrees
15:14:34 <Detlev> Kim: Hardware a big problem for ppl using speech recognition - should have Q on hardware specs
15:14:56 <Kathy> q?
15:15:29 <Kathy> q?
15:15:29 <Detlev> Alistair: Q Does the device have buttons 2. Do you prefer using buttons over touchscreen?
15:15:34 <alistair> q-
15:16:09 <Detlev> Jeanne: Country of origin should be included to be able to look fpr geographic differences
15:16:50 <Detlev> Kathy: What should be the best length of the survey? Suggestions? Could get too legthy..
15:16:53 <Kathleen> q+
15:17:15 <jeanne> aack jeann
15:17:17 <KimPatch> q-
15:17:22 <jeanne> ack jean
15:17:43 <Detlev> Kathleen: At the beginning Survey should tell users how long it takes to fill out, approx.
15:18:00 <Detlev> Kathleen: Are we usein gW3C surve ymechanism?
15:18:22 <Detlev> Kathy: Not decided yet. Has advantages and disadvantages
15:18:30 <alistair> q+
15:18:50 <Detlev> Kathleen: Would be good to be able to suspend and resume survey later (next day)
15:19:12 <Detlev> Kathleen: Could be tyring to do it all at once
15:19:20 <Kathleen> q-
15:19:45 <alistair> q-
15:19:50 <Detlev> Alistair: Should be working on mobile phone (??)
15:20:28 <Detlev> Kathy: Survey should be turned into final draft with survey (for feedback)
15:20:52 <Detlev> Kathy: (will edit for next meeting)
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15:21:32 <Kathleen> q+
15:21:36 <Detlev> Kathy: We need to recruit people to actually respond to survey. Any suggestions how to get people to respond?
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15:22:13 <Kathy> q?
15:22:15 <Detlev> Jeanne: Get in touch with Simon Harper (more EU based) to get contacts to distribute
15:22:39 <Detlev> Alan: Any a11y-specific grouls that may be contacted?
15:23:17 <jeanne> Andrew Arch can get contacts in Australia
15:23:31 <alistair> q+
15:23:37 <jeanne> I have a contact with Hong Kong Union for the Blind
15:23:43 <Detlev> Kathy: Look at grouos worldwide to see who can distribute that
15:23:47 <Kathy> q?
15:23:52 <Detlev> I can use our network to distribute via INCOBS and Hoerkomm projects in germany
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15:24:11 <Kathy> q?
15:24:12 <Kathleen> q-
15:24:13 <Detlev> Kathleen: Use Twitter with a11y hashtag
15:24:21 <DavidTodd> q+
15:24:30 <Detlev> Alan: Also has contacts to groups online to distribute
15:24:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:24:53 <Jan_> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
15:24:53 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
15:25:01 <Detlev> Alistair: is it needed in muliple languages? Use W3C country offices ..
15:25:55 <Kathy> q?
15:26:00 <Detlev> Alistair: Language can be a barrier
15:26:08 <DavidTodd> https://www.facebook.com/GAGDF
15:26:20 <DavidTodd> q-
15:26:21 <Detlev> David: Facebook can be used to make survey better known about
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15:26:50 <Kathy> q?
15:26:54 <alistair> q-
15:27:01 <Detlev> Kathy: May be more difficult to recruit people in countires outside Nortth America
15:27:43 <Detlev> Kathy: will create a recruiting list in Wiki for groups that can be used to post the survey to worldwide
15:28:19 <Detlev> Kathy: Using multiple languages would recommend a tool that allows multi-language surveys
15:28:40 <Detlev> Can yo ubring up agenda item??
15:28:49 <jeanne> zakim, next item
15:28:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Mobile Accessibility Techniques Status" taken up [from Kathy]
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15:29:06 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140118_survey/results
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15:29:19 <jeanne> s/Can yo ubring up agenda item??//
15:29:33 <Detlev> Kathy: W3C Survey to gwet allocated to WCAG Techniques to go through them and check whether they need mods
15:29:56 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_WCAG_Techniques
15:30:01 <Detlev> Kathy: ANy questons?
15:30:04 <Detlev> q+
15:30:26 <Detlev> Kathy: jsut note whether changes are needed or not
15:30:41 <Detlev> Kathy: Later work on it in a wiki
15:30:50 <alistair> q+
15:31:01 <DavidTodd> q+
15:32:17 <Detlev> Detlev: Question about change needed for G61
15:32:40 <Detlev> Kathy: Yes, include if you thionk there *might* be need for change
15:33:25 <Detlev> Kim: Valuable part is thought about why a change may be needed (or not)
15:33:33 <Kathy> q+
15:33:39 <Detlev> q-
15:33:49 <Kathy> q-
15:34:14 <Detlev> Alistair: Also look at W3Cs Best Practices for mobile to ensure there is no conflict
15:34:36 <Detlev> Alistair: Recomms may be in conflict with MBP
15:35:31 <Detlev> Kim: Jan said BBC has techniques beyond W3C but ordered differently - Jan will map BBC techniques to WCAG Success Criteria
15:36:24 <Detlev> Jan; Anyone contacted Henny?
15:36:28 <Detlev> kathy: Yes
15:37:26 <DavidTodd> q-
15:37:37 <Detlev> Jan: Mapping has been done - question is how to display it - 80% overlap - the most valuable part is specific twchniques for iOS, Android etc
15:38:05 <Detlev> Alistair: Mobile Best Practices currently out of date - wil they be updated?
15:38:25 <Detlev> Kathy There is a group that is working on MBP - we should coordinate with them
15:38:35 <alistair> q-
15:39:03 <Detlev> Kathy: Q to Jeanne how to get in touch with group working on MBP
15:39:16 <jeanne> action: jeanne to talk with the W3C group that is updating the Mobile Best Practices
15:39:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Talk with the w3c group that is updating the mobile best practices [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-14].
15:40:00 <Detlev> Kathy: Any questions about  wor on Techniques?
15:40:36 <Detlev> David: Should we send findings to group?
15:41:08 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques
15:41:10 <Detlev> Kathy: All to be posted on the Wiki - there are specific instructions for editing linked from the survey
15:41:49 <Detlev> Kathy: Kim and Jeanne have gone through some already to get a cue on how to do editing work
15:42:12 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Mobile_Resources
15:42:14 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
15:42:14 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Mobile Resources" taken up [from Kathy]
15:42:43 <Detlev> Kathy: Mobile resources - good list already with dates where possible
15:42:53 <Detlev> Kim: 8 pages from Andfrew still missing
15:42:56 <Detlev> q+
15:43:00 <Kathleen> q+
15:43:37 <Detlev> http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/
15:43:50 <Detlev> http://unobfuscated.blogspot.de/2013/11/accessible-javascript-gestures.html
15:44:50 <Detlev> Detlev: No section on scripting specific stuff like hammer.js etc (links above)
15:45:00 <Detlev> kathy: Just added JavaScript
15:45:24 <Detlev> Kim: Feel free to add category, if unsure, add it under misc
15:45:42 <Detlev> wILL DO
15:46:13 <Detlev> Kathleen: Request to Microsoft still unanswered...
15:46:20 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Third-Party_Development_Tool_Platforms
15:46:24 <Detlev> Kathleen: Stuff on 3rd party add-ons?
15:46:51 <Detlev> Kathleen: Apps on phone, like CodeFactory
15:46:55 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/List_of_mobile_assistive_technologies,_and_the_capabilities_and_limitations
15:47:28 <Detlev> Kathy: we can create a separate section (see link above)
15:47:38 <Kathy> q?
15:47:42 <Detlev> q-
15:48:10 <Detlev> Kathy: Any further thoughs on resources that are still missing?
15:48:10 <jeanne> q+ for tagging
15:48:21 <Detlev> q+
15:48:37 <Kathleen> q-
15:49:00 <Detlev> Jeanne: Organisation and hierarchy: should be tagged so it's easier to search
15:49:47 <Detlev> Anyone willing to look into tagging..
15:50:07 <Detlev> Kathy: Tag things - come up with a common set of tags
15:51:06 <Detlev> Jeanne: Hard part is to decide how to tag, not the technique
15:51:14 <Detlev> Kathy: first define tag list
15:51:32 <Detlev> Kim: Lets put up a Wiki page for tags
15:51:46 <Kathy> q?
15:51:50 <jeanne> tags should include devices, operating systems, assistive technology and disabilities.
15:52:05 <jeanne> ... everything in our hierarchy should probably be a tag
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15:53:17 <Detlev> Try to get Heinz Mehrlich to contribute resouces for LV users
15:53:34 <Kathy> q?
15:53:39 <Detlev> q-
15:53:50 <jeanne> ack jean
15:53:50 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to discuss tagging
15:54:31 <Detlev> Kathy: We continue to work on WCAG Techniques, finalise user survey, still think about additions to Wiki (resources)
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15:54:44 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
15:54:45 <Zakim> -DavidTodd
15:54:45 <Zakim> -Kathleen
15:54:47 <Detlev> Can someone push the minutes?
15:54:47 <Zakim> -alistair
15:54:47 <Zakim> -Jan
15:54:49 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
15:54:51 <Kathy> yes
15:54:55 <Zakim> -wuwei
15:54:56 <Kathy> thanks Jeanne
15:54:57 <Detlev> thanks!
15:55:03 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
15:55:07 <Zakim> -Detlev
15:55:24 <Kathy> Regrets Gavin
15:55:44 <jeanne> zakim, who is here?
15:55:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Jeanne
15:55:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see KimPatch, wuwei, Detlev, Kathleen, jeanne, Alan_, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kathy, MichaelC, trackbot
15:57:04 <jeanne> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:57:43 <jeanne> zakim, bye
15:57:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan_Smith, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Kathleen, Detlev, alistair, wuwei, Jan
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15:58:51 <jeanne> regrets+ Gavin
15:59:01 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
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16:00:08 <jeanne> s/How do zou do that, picking agenda items?//
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16:00:35 <jeanne> s/aack jeann//
16:01:16 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
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16:03:03 <jeanne> rrsagent, bye
16:03:03 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-actions.rdf :
16:03:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeanne to talk with the W3C group that is updating the Mobile Best Practices [1]
16:03:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-irc#T15-39-16