IRC log of mobile-a11y on 2014-02-07

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RRSAgent, make logs 328

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12:50:22 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be

12:50:22 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

12:50:23 [trackbot]

Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

12:50:23 [trackbot]

Date: 07 February 2014

12:50:32 [Kathy]

zakim, this will be 6283

12:50:32 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Kathy

12:51:12 [Kathy]

agenda+ Personas Survey Questions

12:51:29 [Kathy]

agenda+ Mobile Accessibility Techniques Status

12:51:37 [Kathy]

agenda+ Mobile Resources

12:51:46 [Kathy]

agenda+ Next Steps

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agenda?

14:01:02 [Kathy]

zakim, this will be 6283

14:01:02 [Zakim]

ok, Kathy; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes

14:01:15 [Kathy]

chair: Kathy

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agenda?

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WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started

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+Kim_Patch

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14:52:13 [Alan_]

Kathy did you get my email that I cannot scribe today? Gmail must have been down.

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+Kathy_Wahlbin

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14:59:36 [Kathy]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:59:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin

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+Alan_Smith

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+Jeanne

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+DavidTodd

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+Kathleen

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15:01:17 [DavidTodd]

Zakim, aaaa is me

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sorry, DavidTodd, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

15:01:21 [Zakim]

+Detlev

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15:01:49 [Detlev]

zakim, mute me

15:01:49 [Zakim]

Detlev should now be muted

15:02:09 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:02:10 [alistair]

zakim, ipcaller is alistair

15:02:10 [Zakim]

+alistair; got it

15:03:17 [Kathy]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:17 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan_Smith, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Kathleen, Detlev (muted), alistair

15:03:42 [Detlev]

I can scribe

15:03:46 [Kathy]

scribe: Detlev

15:04:09 [Detlev]

How do zou do that, picking agenda items?

15:04:27 [Detlev]

ack me

15:04:42 [KimPatch]

zakim, next item

15:04:42 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Personas Survey Questions" taken up [from Kathy]

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15:04:58 [Detlev]

Kathy: currently aligning mobile a11y TF aligning with other groups

15:05:28 [Zakim]

+EricP

15:05:32 [Detlev]

kathy: Next Tues get together with WCAG WG group to co-ordinate work on techniques

15:05:43 [wuwei]

zakim, EricP is wuwei

15:05:43 [Zakim]

+wuwei; got it

15:05:57 [Kathy]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_User_Survey_Questions

15:06:16 [Detlev]

Kathy: Alan & Gavin looking at questions to be entered into survey for use of mobile

15:06:25 [wuwei]

zakim, mute me

15:06:25 [Zakim]

wuwei should now be muted

15:06:42 [Detlev]

Kathy: Suggests reading through draft survey to then decide where we want to go

15:08:49 [Detlev]

Kathleen: Include Q about the kind of devices people had tried using?

15:09:47 [Detlev]

Kathy: Purpose is to collect information on actual use of devices by users with disabilities, what combination

15:10:01 [Detlev]

Kathy: Create personas from that information

15:10:35 [DavidTodd]

q+

15:10:42 [KimPatch]

q+

15:11:16 [DavidTodd]

q-

15:11:26 [Detlev]

Sorry I missed this...

15:11:31 [alistair]

q+

15:12:12 [Detlev]

Kathy: Survey still very much a draft

15:12:31 [Detlev]

David: contact info should be included upfront (optional)

15:12:39 [jeanne]

q* to add country to demographics

15:12:59 [Kathy]

q?

15:13:18 [Detlev]

Kim: Maybe have an open-ended Q at the end (anything else you want to say?)

15:13:31 [jeanne]

I think you get the best info from the open-ended.

15:13:32 [Detlev]

Ki: How do people feel about that?

15:13:41 [Detlev]

David: Good idea

15:13:47 [Detlev]

Alan: agrees

15:14:34 [Detlev]

Kim: Hardware a big problem for ppl using speech recognition - should have Q on hardware specs

15:14:56 [Kathy]

q?

15:15:29 [Kathy]

q?

15:15:29 [Detlev]

Alistair: Q Does the device have buttons 2. Do you prefer using buttons over touchscreen?

15:15:34 [alistair]

q-

15:16:09 [Detlev]

Jeanne: Country of origin should be included to be able to look fpr geographic differences

15:16:50 [Detlev]

Kathy: What should be the best length of the survey? Suggestions? Could get too legthy..

15:16:53 [Kathleen]

q+

15:17:15 [jeanne]

aack jeann

15:17:17 [KimPatch]

q-

15:17:22 [jeanne]

ack jean

15:17:43 [Detlev]

Kathleen: At the beginning Survey should tell users how long it takes to fill out, approx.

15:18:00 [Detlev]

Kathleen: Are we usein gW3C surve ymechanism?

15:18:22 [Detlev]

Kathy: Not decided yet. Has advantages and disadvantages

15:18:30 [alistair]

q+

15:18:50 [Detlev]

Kathleen: Would be good to be able to suspend and resume survey later (next day)

15:19:12 [Detlev]

Kathleen: Could be tyring to do it all at once

15:19:20 [Kathleen]

q-

15:19:45 [alistair]

q-

15:19:50 [Detlev]

Alistair: Should be working on mobile phone (??)

15:20:28 [Detlev]

Kathy: Survey should be turned into final draft with survey (for feedback)

15:20:52 [Detlev]

Kathy: (will edit for next meeting)

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15:21:32 [Kathleen]

q+

15:21:36 [Detlev]

Kathy: We need to recruit people to actually respond to survey. Any suggestions how to get people to respond?

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15:22:13 [Kathy]

q?

15:22:15 [Detlev]

Jeanne: Get in touch with Simon Harper (more EU based) to get contacts to distribute

15:22:39 [Detlev]

Alan: Any a11y-specific grouls that may be contacted?

15:23:17 [jeanne]

Andrew Arch can get contacts in Australia

15:23:31 [alistair]

q+

15:23:37 [jeanne]

I have a contact with Hong Kong Union for the Blind

15:23:43 [Detlev]

Kathy: Look at grouos worldwide to see who can distribute that

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q?

15:23:52 [Detlev]

I can use our network to distribute via INCOBS and Hoerkomm projects in germany

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15:24:11 [Kathy]

q?

15:24:12 [Kathleen]

q-

15:24:13 [Detlev]

Kathleen: Use Twitter with a11y hashtag

15:24:21 [DavidTodd]

q+

15:24:30 [Detlev]

Alan: Also has contacts to groups online to distribute

15:24:40 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:24:53 [Jan_]

zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan

15:24:53 [Zakim]

+Jan; got it

15:25:01 [Detlev]

Alistair: is it needed in muliple languages? Use W3C country offices ..

15:25:55 [Kathy]

q?

15:26:00 [Detlev]

Alistair: Language can be a barrier

15:26:08 [DavidTodd]

https://www.facebook.com/GAGDF

15:26:20 [DavidTodd]

q-

15:26:21 [Detlev]

David: Facebook can be used to make survey better known about

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15:26:50 [Kathy]

q?

15:26:54 [alistair]

q-

15:27:01 [Detlev]

Kathy: May be more difficult to recruit people in countires outside Nortth America

15:27:43 [Detlev]

Kathy: will create a recruiting list in Wiki for groups that can be used to post the survey to worldwide

15:28:19 [Detlev]

Kathy: Using multiple languages would recommend a tool that allows multi-language surveys

15:28:40 [Detlev]

Can yo ubring up agenda item??

15:28:49 [jeanne]

zakim, next item

15:28:49 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Mobile Accessibility Techniques Status" taken up [from Kathy]

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15:29:06 [Kathy]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140118_survey/results

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15:29:19 [jeanne]

s/Can yo ubring up agenda item??//

15:29:33 [Detlev]

Kathy: W3C Survey to gwet allocated to WCAG Techniques to go through them and check whether they need mods

15:29:56 [Kathy]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_WCAG_Techniques

15:30:01 [Detlev]

Kathy: ANy questons?

15:30:04 [Detlev]

q+

15:30:26 [Detlev]

Kathy: jsut note whether changes are needed or not

15:30:41 [Detlev]

Kathy: Later work on it in a wiki

15:30:50 [alistair]

q+

15:31:01 [DavidTodd]

q+

15:32:17 [Detlev]

Detlev: Question about change needed for G61

15:32:40 [Detlev]

Kathy: Yes, include if you thionk there *might* be need for change

15:33:25 [Detlev]

Kim: Valuable part is thought about why a change may be needed (or not)

15:33:33 [Kathy]

q+

15:33:39 [Detlev]

q-

15:33:49 [Kathy]

q-

15:34:14 [Detlev]

Alistair: Also look at W3Cs Best Practices for mobile to ensure there is no conflict

15:34:36 [Detlev]

Alistair: Recomms may be in conflict with MBP

15:35:31 [Detlev]

Kim: Jan said BBC has techniques beyond W3C but ordered differently - Jan will map BBC techniques to WCAG Success Criteria

15:36:24 [Detlev]

Jan; Anyone contacted Henny?

15:36:28 [Detlev]

kathy: Yes

15:37:26 [DavidTodd]

q-

15:37:37 [Detlev]

Jan: Mapping has been done - question is how to display it - 80% overlap - the most valuable part is specific twchniques for iOS, Android etc

15:38:05 [Detlev]

Alistair: Mobile Best Practices currently out of date - wil they be updated?

15:38:25 [Detlev]

Kathy There is a group that is working on MBP - we should coordinate with them

15:38:35 [alistair]

q-

15:39:03 [Detlev]

Kathy: Q to Jeanne how to get in touch with group working on MBP

15:39:16 [jeanne]

action: jeanne to talk with the W3C group that is updating the Mobile Best Practices

15:39:17 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-12 - Talk with the w3c group that is updating the mobile best practices [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-14].

15:40:00 [Detlev]

Kathy: Any questions about wor on Techniques?

15:40:36 [Detlev]

David: Should we send findings to group?

15:41:08 [Kathy]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques

15:41:10 [Detlev]

Kathy: All to be posted on the Wiki - there are specific instructions for editing linked from the survey

15:41:49 [Detlev]

Kathy: Kim and Jeanne have gone through some already to get a cue on how to do editing work

15:42:12 [Kathy]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Mobile_Resources

15:42:14 [jeanne]

zakim, take up next

15:42:14 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Mobile Resources" taken up [from Kathy]

15:42:43 [Detlev]

Kathy: Mobile resources - good list already with dates where possible

15:42:53 [Detlev]

Kim: 8 pages from Andfrew still missing

15:42:56 [Detlev]

q+

15:43:00 [Kathleen]

q+

15:43:37 [Detlev]

http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/

15:43:50 [Detlev]

http://unobfuscated.blogspot.de/2013/11/accessible-javascript-gestures.html

15:44:50 [Detlev]

Detlev: No section on scripting specific stuff like hammer.js etc (links above)

15:45:00 [Detlev]

kathy: Just added JavaScript

15:45:24 [Detlev]

Kim: Feel free to add category, if unsure, add it under misc

15:45:42 [Detlev]

wILL DO

15:46:13 [Detlev]

Kathleen: Request to Microsoft still unanswered...

15:46:20 [Kathy]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Third-Party_Development_Tool_Platforms

15:46:24 [Detlev]

Kathleen: Stuff on 3rd party add-ons?

15:46:51 [Detlev]

Kathleen: Apps on phone, like CodeFactory

15:46:55 [Kathy]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/List_of_mobile_assistive_technologies,_and_the_capabilities_and_limitations

15:47:28 [Detlev]

Kathy: we can create a separate section (see link above)

15:47:38 [Kathy]

q?

15:47:42 [Detlev]

q-

15:48:10 [Detlev]

Kathy: Any further thoughs on resources that are still missing?

15:48:10 [jeanne]

q+ for tagging

15:48:21 [Detlev]

q+

15:48:37 [Kathleen]

q-

15:49:00 [Detlev]

Jeanne: Organisation and hierarchy: should be tagged so it's easier to search

15:49:47 [Detlev]

Anyone willing to look into tagging..

15:50:07 [Detlev]

Kathy: Tag things - come up with a common set of tags

15:51:06 [Detlev]

Jeanne: Hard part is to decide how to tag, not the technique

15:51:14 [Detlev]

Kathy: first define tag list

15:51:32 [Detlev]

Kim: Lets put up a Wiki page for tags

15:51:46 [Kathy]

q?

15:51:50 [jeanne]

tags should include devices, operating systems, assistive technology and disabilities.

15:52:05 [jeanne]

... everything in our hierarchy should probably be a tag

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15:53:17 [Detlev]

Try to get Heinz Mehrlich to contribute resouces for LV users

15:53:34 [Kathy]

q?

15:53:39 [Detlev]

q-

15:53:50 [jeanne]

ack jean

15:53:50 [Zakim]

jeanne, you wanted to discuss tagging

15:54:31 [Detlev]

Kathy: We continue to work on WCAG Techniques, finalise user survey, still think about additions to Wiki (resources)

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-Alan_Smith

15:54:45 [Zakim]

-DavidTodd

15:54:45 [Zakim]

-Kathleen

15:54:47 [Detlev]

Can someone push the minutes?

15:54:47 [Zakim]

-alistair

15:54:47 [Zakim]

-Jan

15:54:49 [Zakim]

-Kathy_Wahlbin

15:54:51 [Kathy]

yes

15:54:55 [Zakim]

-wuwei

15:54:56 [Kathy]

thanks Jeanne

15:54:57 [Detlev]

thanks!

15:55:03 [jeanne]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:55:03 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne

15:55:07 [Zakim]

-Detlev

15:55:24 [Kathy]

Regrets Gavin

15:55:44 [jeanne]

zakim, who is here?

15:55:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Jeanne

15:55:46 [Zakim]

On IRC I see KimPatch, wuwei, Detlev, Kathleen, jeanne, Alan_, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kathy, MichaelC, trackbot

15:57:04 [jeanne]

rrsagent, make logs public

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15:57:43 [jeanne]

zakim, bye

15:57:43 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees were Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan_Smith, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Kathleen, Detlev, alistair, wuwei, Jan

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15:58:51 [jeanne]

regrets+ Gavin

15:59:01 [jeanne]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:59:01 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne

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s/How do zou do that, picking agenda items?//

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s/aack jeann//

16:01:16 [jeanne]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: jeanne to talk with the W3C group that is updating the Mobile Best Practices [1]

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