IRC log of i18n on 2014-02-06

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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 06 February 2014
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ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Feb/0005.html
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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agenda+ advice on date/time definitions
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agenda+ css syntax @charset
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agenda+ Publish: WYNTKA Bidi and Inline Markup ?
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agenda+ Charmod Editing
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agenda+ RADAR
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agenda?
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zakim, dial richard
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
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+Richard
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+??P15
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zakim, ??p15 is me
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+matial; got it
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+aphillip
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Richard, matial, aphillip
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On IRC I see matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
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+??P21
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+ +1.617.491.aaaa
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zakim +1.617 is JcK
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Richard, matial, aphillip, fsasaki (muted), +1.617.491.aaaa
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On IRC I see JcK, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
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zakim +1.617.491.aaaa is JcK
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zakim, +1.617.491.aaaa is JcK
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+JcK; got it
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Richard, matial, aphillip, fsasaki (muted), JcK
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On IRC I see JcK, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
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Topic: Agenda
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agenda?
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Topic: Action Iteam
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s/Iteam/Items
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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close ACTION-279
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Closed ACTION-279.
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Topic: Info Share
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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agenda?
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richard: working on counter styles
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... and tests for that
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... implementing Mati's extended Hebrew submission
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... getting close to submitting since counter-styles at css going to PR
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richard: uploading a bunch of CSS tests to their suite
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip]
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https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
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action: addison: ask for a LC due date on DOM4
16:12:10 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-282 - Ask for a lc due date on dom4 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-02-13].
16:13:09 [aphillip]
agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Publish: WYNTKA Bidi and Inline Markup ?" taken up [from aphillip]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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http://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/update
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richard: been out for review
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... had some comments
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... addressed them
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... want to publish this, replacing the existing one
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chair: all in favor?
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no pb
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richard: would like to change the title
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"Inline Markup and Bidi: What you need to know"
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http://www.w3.org/International/articlelist#direction
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"Text Direction and Bidi"
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matial: Text Direction -> Bidi ?
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+1
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+1
16:21:14 [fsasaki]
+1
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+1
16:21:25 [JcK]
yes, publish
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chair: resolved to publish
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(note that +1s are for proposal to publish)
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action: richard: publish WYNTK about bidi update, retitling as appropriate
16:21:52 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-283 - Publish wyntk about bidi update, retitling as appropriate [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-02-13].
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agenda?
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zakim, tak eup agendum 1
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I don't understand 'tak eup agendum 1', aphillip
16:22:47 [fsasaki]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Feb/0006.html
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "advice on date/time definitions" taken up [from aphillip]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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felix: who would date-time values be referenced
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s/who would/how would/
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... don't want normative reference to a Note
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addison: rfc3339 ?
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felix: xliff 2.0 also needs a reference
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addison: reference XML schema date / time type as an option
16:25:37 [fsasaki]
.. in the thread it is not strictly a time stamp
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.. if it is a complete value (date, time, timezone offset) that is a time stamp
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.. if you want to allow other things that is more complicated, see e.g. floating number discussion
16:26:58 [aphillip]
felix: mainly a timestamp, I think
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... but could include things like "should be localized by such-and-such"
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... not sure if that's a timestamp
16:27:30 [fsasaki]
addision: could be treated as a time stamp
16:27:36 [fsasaki]
.. not necessarily floating
16:27:59 [fsasaki]
.. the mail says things like "just having a year etc." - not sure about the purpose
16:28:39 [fsasaki]
.. question is whether you have a specific set of date values that you want to permit, or just want to allow definition of some fields with date related information
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[discussion on XML schema data types and whether a reference to that would help]
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addision: xml schema defines all of the lexical spaces
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.. the RFC has a list of productions that you can point to normatively
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.. that does not contain all the complicated stuff you don't care about
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.. it is an RFC, that has been around for a long time
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agenda?
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action: felix: write back to XLIFF and ITS-IG with summary of our discussion
16:33:36 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-284 - Write back to xliff and its-ig with summary of our discussion [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-02-13].
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "css syntax @charset" taken up [from aphillip]
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richard: we can close all of the comments?
16:35:44 [r12a]
http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/54
16:35:48 [aphillip]
addison: there transition document (see email) noted that we hadn't accept (or not) their rejection of our comments
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addison: satisfied on 306/307
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richard: me too
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addison: other one is 329
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richard: they argued clearly why they don't want to change
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... worth raising the issue
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... key thing is that it's not really a rule
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richard: wrote a set of tests for syntax
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... and submitted those too
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richard: never could do @charset with extra spaces
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chair: should we accept this?
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JcK: would prefer if we fixed it, but not sure worth objecting
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+1
16:43:11 [matial]
no opinion
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chair: no formal objection
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action: addison: respond to ISSUE-329 indicating we are satisfied with their decision/have no formal objection
16:45:03 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-285 - Respond to issue-329 indicating we are satisfied with their decision/have no formal objection [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-02-13].
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Charmod Editing" taken up [from aphillip]
16:46:12 [aphillip]
http://www.doodle.com/diuzsimytq649rvp
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needs to be refreshed, since it doesn't show times
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agenda?
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topic: AOB?
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richard: recruiting?
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q+
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ack fsasaki
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http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/
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felix: just creating these the best practices
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... could contact them about reviews and whether they would like to join us
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s/just/the group is mainly focusing on/
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s/these//
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richard: good to encourage folks to participate, particularly member orgs
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-fsasaki
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-matial
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-JcK
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-aphillip
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zakim, drop richard
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Richard is being disconnected
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I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Richard, matial, aphillip, fsasaki, JcK
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Present: Richard, Addison, Felix, Mati, JcK
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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zakim, who is here?
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apparently I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended, aphillip
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
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zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: addison: ask for a LC due date on DOM4 [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-irc#T16-12-10
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ACTION: richard: publish WYNTK about bidi update, retitling as appropriate [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-irc#T16-21-51
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ACTION: felix: write back to XLIFF and ITS-IG with summary of our discussion [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-irc#T16-33-36
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ACTION: addison: respond to ISSUE-329 indicating we are satisfied with their decision/have no formal objection [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-irc#T16-45-03