IRC log of html-a11y on 2014-02-06

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trackbot, start meeting

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 06 February 2014

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Chair: Chaals

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agenda+ longdesc status

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agenda+ DOM4 is last call

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agenda+ Canvas 2D

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agenda+ Outstanding bugs

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agenda+ Any other business

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agenda?

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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started

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+??P5

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zakim, ??P5 is me

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+janina; got it

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+Mark_Sadecki

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+[IPcaller]

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+David_MacDonald

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zakim, what is the code?

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the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc

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+[Microsoft]

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zakim, [Microsoft] is me

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+paulc; got it

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zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson

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+LJWatson; got it

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, [ip is me

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+chaals; got it

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+[IPcaller]

16:04:41 [janina]

scribe: janina

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agenda?

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+Judy

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zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1. "longdesc status" taken up [from chaals]

16:05:13 [janina]

zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1. "longdesc status" taken up [from chaals]

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sn: Mark and C are working on it, making progress

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ms: I have a repository for docs setup for this task

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cn: Have been generous with late responses to date

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s/sn:/cn:/

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+Rich_Schwerdtfeger

16:07:49 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2. "DOM4 is last call" taken up [from chaals]

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 2 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. Canvas 2D [from chaals]

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+John_Foliot

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-John_Foliot

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Topic: DOM4

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+John_Foliot

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cn: Is a Last Call

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zakim, mute david

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David_MacDonald should now be muted

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q+

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ack ja

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JS: Discussed yesterday in PF (we had concerns relating to DOM3)

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… so we need to carefully review DOM4 and we have several volunteer reviewers working for 26 feb deadline for PF to bring comments to this TF and the HTML WG

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JS: PF has discussed DOM 4 yesterday. We had concerns with DOM 3, so we thought it was worth our time. We have a deadline to review by 26 FEB and will bring feedback to this TF and the HTML WG.

16:09:56 [chaals]

… we expect some comments

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… But we are pleased to say Mutation Events are in the process of being overtaken by IndieUI...

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+Suzanne_Taylor

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pc: Notes that DOM4 was moved to HTML-WG because it's one of HTML's key dependencies

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+Adrian_Roselli

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pc: We did ask for LC delay to compensate for publication delay

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see janina, Mark_Sadecki, LJWatson, David_MacDonald (muted), paulc, chaals, [IPcaller], Judy, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, John_Foliot, Suzanne_Taylor, Adrian_Roselli

16:13:37 [Zakim]

On IRC I see aardrian, SuzanneT, JF, richardschwerdtfeger, Judy, Billy_Gregory, paulc, LJWatson, David, RRSAgent, Zakim, davidb, chaals, MarkS, cabanier_, hober, janina, trackbot

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q+

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q?

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ack ri

16:14:54 [janina]

rs: Is there plan to do DOM4 events spec?

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rs: Noting there's DOM3 and DOM3 Events, but not a DOM4 Events, and the topic isn't covered in the DOM4 events

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q+

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cn: As I recall, DOM3 Events not based on DOM4

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cn: Do expect DOM3 Events to be done in an HTML 5 timeline

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cn: Best look at wiki status page

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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus WebApps publication status for their specs

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pc: Noting Sec 4.1 of DOM4 is Events

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rs: Concerned that SVG not seeing sufficient structural support

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cn: Does sound like this is worth reviewing

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cn: If the HTML-WG is needing an urgent resolution, that may not be forthcoming

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pc: Suggest look at 9.1

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pc: Wondering whether all the necessary material has been folded into a single spec doc

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pc: Why can't PF send comments directly?

16:21:13 [janina]

CN: Can. But, TF was set up to deal with a11y issues between PF and HTML

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q+

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+Cynthia_Shelly

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ack me

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ack j

16:23:39 [MarkS]

JS: I'm comfortable to reply on list and to submit feedback to HTML and the F, but the TF's need to review does add a need for additional time.

16:23:40 [paulc]

See http://www.w3.org/TR/dom/#goals for the provenance of the DOM4 material.

16:23:58 [janina]

pc: Suggest PF Chair respond to HTML Chairs on timeline constraints

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s/the F/the TF

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CN: People in the TF are invited to review the spec as fast as possible

16:24:40 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "Canvas 2D" taken up [from chaals]

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Topic: Canvas 2d

16:25:32 [janina]

ms: Noting feedback solicted week previous and were made aware of discussion on Mozilla regardingDrawFocusIfNeeded

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ms: Issue was raised on our list

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ms: Their question on our list caused Google to pull implementation support

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ms: Call this week clarified that people weren't as concerned as it seemed on list

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ms: Mozilla asked for an additional week to explore Hit Regions as an approach

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ms: Case was strongly made for keeping the DrawFocus approach regardless

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ms: And for the divion of labor between L1 and L2

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ms: Expect feedback from Mozilla asap

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cn: So, we wait on Mozilla ...

16:28:23 [MarkS]

zakim, who is making noise?

16:28:25 [janina]

zakim, next item

16:28:25 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Outstanding bugs" taken up [from chaals]

16:28:33 [Zakim]

MarkS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paulc (4%), chaals (20%)

16:28:43 [chaals]

zakim, who is making noise?

16:28:43 [MarkS]

http://is.gd/VkTxop

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chaals, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

16:29:46 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511

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-Rich_Schwerdtfeger

16:29:56 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511

16:29:59 [chaals]

zakim, who is making noise?

16:30:11 [Zakim]

chaals, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: janina (15%), Mark_Sadecki (8%), chaals (17%)

16:30:29 [MarkS]

document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs

16:30:58 [janina]

cn: Noted resolved, needs info.

16:31:09 [janina]

cn: Comment was would be taken up by HTML Mappings Guide

16:31:25 [janina]

js: And move to 5.1

16:32:14 [janina]

pc: Suggest opening a new 5.1 bug, linking this one for history

16:32:51 [MarkS]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13549 document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs

16:33:00 [janina]

cn: Q is use cases for associating elements with different forms

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cn: Currently assigned to Cyns, keep it?

16:33:21 [janina]

cs: Yes

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js: A 5.0 issue?

16:34:01 [janina]

cn: Yes, I think so

16:34:03 [janina]

cs: Agreed

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cn: Urge to catch this one fast

16:34:51 [chaals]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13553 13533

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4.10.6 confusing, seemlingly contradictory text

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cn: Question description of label text

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cn: Rejected ...

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s/.../by editor/

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cn: Any takers?

16:36:17 [janina]

cn: Is 5.0

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cs: Will take

16:36:33 [MarkS]

Bug 13560 - dynamic changes to input type attribute may cause problems for accessibilty APIs

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-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13560 Bug 13560 - dynamic changes to input type attribute may cause problems for accessibilty APIs

16:36:56 [janina]

cn: Waiting on input

16:37:16 [janina]

cs: Many of these input issues handled in implementation experience and may be OBE

16:37:24 [janina]

cs; I will check for us

16:37:39 [MarkS]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13566 Bug 13566 - use of input type image to send coordinates should be phased out

16:37:48 [janina]

cs: Will make new bugs for any remaining issues I find

16:38:10 [janina]

cs: Suggest close

16:38:36 [janina]

cn: Can live with that

16:38:53 [janina]

cn: Believe WCAG pretty clear on this

16:39:31 [janina]

cn: That closes list that Cyns took

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cn: Now looking at bugs JF took up

16:39:54 [MarkS]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 Bug 8657 - Allow UA to reload fallback content if it fails to load

16:40:12 [chaals]

zakim, unmute john

16:40:12 [Zakim]

John_Foliot was not muted, chaals

16:40:15 [JF]

will need to deila back in

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*dial

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-John_Foliot

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+John_Foliot

16:41:35 [chaals]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 - says subsumbed by http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152

16:41:38 [janina]

jf: Believe closed

16:42:10 [paulc]

See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9452 for references to all the related bugs

16:43:06 [janina]

pc: Suggests looking at Issue-152

16:43:51 [janina]

cn: Appears the issue has been dealt with

16:44:23 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794

16:44:32 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794

16:44:40 [MarkS]

<video> Add a non-normative note on how to provide text alternatives for media elements

16:45:35 [Judy]

q+

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-Judy

16:45:59 [janina]

jf: Relates to Poster textjs: Was added to ARIA.Next wishlist

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+Judy

16:47:01 [janina]

jb: Also convinced it's still an important issue

16:47:50 [JF]

Q+

16:49:01 [chaals]

q+

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ack ju

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ack jf

16:49:30 [janina]

jf: Happy to continue this with ARIA

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q-

16:50:16 [janina]

jf: Shouts out to Rich about Poster alt in ARIA

16:50:24 [MarkS]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12964 <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements

16:51:16 [janina]

jf: Issue that only way to link is something visible on screen, no programmatic association available currently

16:52:11 [MarkS]

+1 to move to 5.1

16:52:50 [MarkS]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 Clarify text in media element user interface section

16:53:19 [janina]

jf: Don't understand this one

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jf: Will follow up

16:53:45 [chaals]

ACTION: johnf to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273

16:53:45 [trackbot]

Error finding 'johnf'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

16:54:03 [chaals]

ACTION: john to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273

16:54:03 [trackbot]

Error finding 'john'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

16:54:19 [JF]

ACTION: JF to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273

16:54:19 [trackbot]

Error finding 'JF'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

16:54:20 [MarkS]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13437 Editorial changes to The Video element (5 of 5)

16:54:33 [JF]

ACTION: John_Foliot to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273

16:54:33 [trackbot]

Error finding 'John_Foliot'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

16:55:19 [chaals]

ACTION: jf to follow up bugs 13435, 13436, 13437,

16:55:19 [trackbot]

Error finding 'jf'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

16:55:57 [janina]

cn: Believe we want to keep this one

16:56:07 [chaals]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13275

16:56:27 [MarkS]

Bug 13275 - Display of media control UI when scripting is disabled

16:56:37 [janina]

jf: Believe as much a browser as a spec bug

16:56:46 [MarkS]

q+ to mention special Bug Review meeting next wednesday 2/12

16:56:59 [MarkS]

ACTION: Mark to add JF to TF

16:56:59 [trackbot]

'Mark' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., msadecki, mwatson2).

16:57:13 [MarkS]

ACTION: MarkS to add JF to TF

16:57:14 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-229 - Add jf to tf [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-02-13].

16:57:48 [paulc]

Leaving to Chair the Weekly WG meeting.

16:58:05 [Zakim]

-paulc

16:58:20 [janina]

jf: Notes many of these issues need to be held for 5.1 consideration

16:58:44 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13434

16:59:02 [MarkS]

Media element section does not state that tracks are to be synchronized with video

16:59:21 [janina]

jf: An editorial request

16:59:25 [janina]

cn: Believe we can close

16:59:40 [janina]

jf: Response was that detail handled elsewhere

17:01:41 [janina]

cyns: Volunteer to take up Kelly Ford's bug

17:02:08 [janina]

ms: Bug Triage will have special meeting next Wednesday to walk more bugs

17:02:30 [janina]

ms: Wednesday 12 February at 13:00 Boston, 18:00Z

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-LJWatson

17:02:48 [MarkS]

ack me

17:02:48 [Zakim]

MarkS, you wanted to mention special Bug Review meeting next wednesday 2/12

17:02:49 [janina]

cn: We are adjourned.

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-Cynthia_Shelly

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-chaals

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-David_MacDonald

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-John_Foliot

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-Judy

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-Suzanne_Taylor

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-Mark_Sadecki

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-janina

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-Adrian_Roselli

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zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were janina, Mark_Sadecki, David_MacDonald, paulc, LJWatson, [IPcaller], chaals, Judy, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, John_Foliot, Suzanne_Taylor,

17:03:05 [Zakim]

... Adrian_Roselli, Cynthia_Shelly

17:03:12 [janina]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html janina

17:06:01 [MarkS]

ok, Will add both to Tracker

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including John

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