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15:56:43 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:56:43 Date: 04 February 2014
15:56:43 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:57:20 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Feb/0000.html
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16:01:33 Zakim, AWK is me
16:01:33 +joesteele; got it
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16:03:44 zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
16:03:44 +johnsim; got it
16:04:02 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:04:02 +paulc; got it
16:04:10 zakim, who is on the call?
16:04:10 On the phone I see paulc, glenn, joesteele, davide, markw, johnsim
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16:05:07 scribenick: joesteele
16:05:08 +[Microsoft]
16:05:10 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:05:10 +adrianba; got it
16:05:23 chair: paulc
16:06:00 +[IPcaller]
16:06:14 Topic: Role Call
16:06:18 Regrets+ jdsmith
16:06:18 Zakim, who is here?
16:06:18 On the phone I see paulc, glenn, joesteele, davide, markw, johnsim, adrianba, [IPcaller]
16:06:20 On IRC I see adrianba, BobLund, davide, markw, joesteele, johnsim, pal, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, glenn, wseltzer, trackbot
16:06:56 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Feb/0000.html
16:07:08 +BobLund
16:07:20 Topic: EME status and bugs
16:07:33 paulc: Heartbeat CFC sent out
16:07:39 + +1.425.605.aaaa
16:07:47 Copy of CfC on public-html-admin@w3.org: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Feb/0002.html
16:08:12 ... please respond to the version on the admin list if you respond
16:08:48 ... possible that CFC may take a week to get published even if it closes this week
16:09:12 s/EME status and bugs/Heartbeat/
16:09:19 Topic: EME Bug Status
16:09:43 paulc: in Adrians original order -- some that were not in the original list though
16:09:53 ... some are in editors queue already, we will skip those
16:10:03 ... need to check status on others
16:10:16 ... some need discussion, would like to know how we will process.
16:10:22 ... generate a deadline if possible
16:10:50 Topic: Bug 17673
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16:11:11 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
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16:11:22 paulc: minutes indicate David was going to plsit off isTypeSupported and talk to David Singer -- any progress?
16:11:22 q+
16:11:35 ack adr
16:11:37 ddorwin: no progress this week
16:11:49 adrianba: sent mail to David Singer, no reply yet. Will follow up
16:11:50 ddorwin: will try to do this this week
16:12:07 Topic: Bug 17750
16:12:17 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750
16:12:26 paulc: don't think we touched on it last week
16:12:49 ... last entry is a question from David on Jan 25th -- no responses since then
16:13:11 David's question: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750#c25
16:13:20 paulc: David any thoughts?
16:13:28 ddorwin: reading ...
16:14:27 ddorwin: believe the issue is that we have state checks but the checks are all done synchronously
16:15:10 q+
16:15:12 paulc: any questions or comments?
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16:15:18 ack adrian
16:15:48 adrianba: haven't looked at all the cases in detail, but suspect that David is right about needing to include some language in the check -- in the release case think it might be ok
16:16:00 ... since the close can happen at any time without the app doing anything
16:16:26 ... would be unfortunate if the app tried to call release but the CDM had already closed the session and generated an error because of this
16:16:33 ... could generate a no-op in this case
16:16:54 ... might need just moving those checks
16:17:08 paulc: more input needed?
16:17:14 ddorwin: yes -- more comments in the bug
16:17:35 Topic: Bug 21798
16:17:35 this is a tricky one and will need careful analysis
16:17:41 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21798
16:17:54 s/this is/17750 is/
16:18:25 paulc: bugs says that the constants were reviewed, need to add them, how will that happen? what are you waiting for?
16:18:39 +ddorwin
16:18:45 ddorwin: just a lower priority - need to go thtough whole thread and generate a response
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16:18:52 Topic: Bug 23619
16:18:57 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23619
16:19:14 paulc: last week you said you needed more time Adrian to consider comment #9
16:19:21 ... no reply as yet
16:19:24 i need to discuss with travis
16:19:25 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23619#c9
16:20:03 paulc: can it be done in a week?
16:20:07 adrianba: think so
16:20:26 Topic: Bug 24025, 24082
16:20:37 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24025, https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24082
16:20:49 paulc: linked in the agenda
16:21:01 paulc: mark you mentioned these
16:21:35 markw: think it was use cases for accessibility
16:21:52 s/accessibility/extensibility/
16:21:59 Mark's use case for 24025: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Feb/0001.htmlhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Feb/0001.html
16:22:04 ... /msg adrianba thanks!
16:22:16 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Feb/0001.html
16:22:36 paulc: please add your comments to 24025
16:22:49 ... any other responses?
16:23:00 +1
16:23:29 paulc: if you need time to review -- indicate you are not sure
16:23:38 Topic: Bug 24027
16:23:42 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24027
16:23:57 paulc: Adrian suggested John could review Pavels proposal
16:24:11 johnsim: think I agree with the proposal -- general approach looks right
16:24:36 q+
16:24:38 ... as long as there is support for multipl key adds
16:24:45 s/multipl/multiple/
16:24:56 Pavel's support: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24027#c2
16:25:13 s/key adds/key ids/
16:25:31 Makr's comments: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24027#c4
16:25:31 +1
16:25:43 markw: we have found it useful to include a hash of the key to allow the client to quickly determine it has the right key
16:26:04 .. decoder should be robust, but might have lost the context by the time you hit a failure
16:26:05 q+
16:26:12 ack markw
16:26:25 ddorwin: when would you get the wrong key?
16:26:30 +q
16:26:39 ... still need to come up with a format
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16:27:03 markw: misconfiguration, confusion about which file goes with which content
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16:27:22 ... could be cases where an attacker supplies the wrong key
16:27:30 ack dd
16:27:32 ack joe
16:27:56 -ddorwin
16:28:16 joesteele: we have seen miconfiguration lead to this issue
16:28:30 s/miconfirguration/misconfiguration/
16:28:30 +ddorwin
16:28:39 s/miconfiguration/misconfiguration/
16:28:44 paulc: closed the action
16:29:04 ... heard David say we need more data in the proposal -- mark can you proposed an extension
16:29:10 q?
16:29:20 yes - I will make a proposal
16:30:02 Topic: Bug 24216
16:30:06 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24216
16:30:21 paulc: Last week we said Jerry was looking at this
16:30:37 adrianba: he has been delayed
16:30:57 ... travelling
16:31:13 ... delayed by the SuperBowl
16:31:41 adrianba: parade in downtown Seattle tomorrow so may be some delay there as well
16:31:48 paulc; on the agenda for next week
16:31:58 s/paulc;/paulc:/
16:32:04 Topic: Bug 24323
16:32:08 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24323
16:32:22 paulc: need feedback from TF -- have seen none?
16:32:58 ddorwin: boils down to whether we need to fire a needkey if initData was not provided
16:33:25 "This allows something other than Initialization Data to trigger this algorithm."
16:33:45 joesteele: this would impact us -- I will take a look
16:33:58 Topic: Bug 24368
16:34:01 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24368
16:34:15 paulc: Jerry was to review -- assume this moves to next week
16:34:32 Topic: Bug 24381
16:34:37 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24381
16:34:53 paulc: Adrian you thought this had been reported before -- have you found the dup?
16:35:00 adrianba: no time last week
16:35:06 Topic: Bug 24419
16:35:10 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24419
16:35:16 paulc: not discussed last week at all
16:36:07 ddorwin: currently needKey is some undefined value extracted from initData, proposal is to make a JSON based license format
16:36:21 ... this is a mirror of the license done in JSON WebKey
16:36:25 you mean the keymessage, not needkey, right ?
16:36:32 paulc: on your queue tim implement?
16:36:45 joesteele: that sounds right -- thanks mark
16:36:59 s/needKey/keymessage/
16:37:03 s/needKey is/keyMessage is/
16:37:20 paulc: any comments on this one?
16:37:22 s/on your queue to implement/17682 is on queue to implement/
16:37:41 yes, I meant the [key]message event.
16:37:45 paulc: what do you need David? is there a question?
16:37:53 ddorwin: if noone objects I will implements
16:37:57 we haven't discussed it
16:38:01 paulc: any objections?
16:38:11 s/will implements/will implement/
16:38:47 paulc: gone through the items on my list -- skipped a few
16:38:57 ... scan through agenda item#5 for other items to discuss
16:39:23 ... next week will break agenda item #5 into 2-3 parts
16:39:40 ... low priority, items we have discussed, maybe one other category
16:39:48 q+
16:39:54 ... encourage folks to work on these items so we can make progress
16:39:59 ack adrian
16:40:07 adrianba: there is a lot of work to do at the moment -- long queue
16:40:39 ... how do people feel about the cadence of our weekly meetings? is that effective? or move back to two weeks?
16:41:04 paulc: I was thinking about this also -- I tend to agree. Not seeing a lot of progress made
16:41:13 +1 -- I could use this hour for reviewing
16:41:45 +1
16:41:48 paulc: might be tempted to assign very explicit action items to make sure folks know what they are working on
16:42:08 paulc: motion from the floor for next meeting to be Feb 18th. Any objections?
16:42:35 ... thinkg I have some notes that I can send out some prompts to people about actions resulting from todays discussion
16:42:53 ... I will make sure there is something in the email archive about items waited on as well
16:43:04 ... maybe this will help
16:43:14 ... thanks for that suggestion Adrian
16:43:25 ... any other comments?
16:43:25 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:43:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-html-media-minutes.html paulc
16:43:31 Zakim, who is here?
16:43:31 On the phone I see paulc, glenn, joesteele, davide, markw, johnsim, adrianba, [IPcaller], BobLund, ddorwin
16:43:33 On IRC I see ddorwin, markw_, adrianba, BobLund, davide, joesteele, johnsim, pal, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, glenn, wseltzer, trackbot
16:43:41 paulc: let's adjourn
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16:44:05 rrsagent, generate minutes
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16:44:42 Attendees were glenn, joesteele, davide, markw, johnsim, paulc, adrianba, [IPcaller], BobLund, +1.425.605.aaaa, ddorwin
16:45:13 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Feb/0000.html
16:45:16 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:45:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:45:46 s/plsit off/split off/
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16:46:43 s/\/msg adrianba thanks!//
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16:47:10 s/adrianba thanks!/ /
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16:47:43 s/Makr's/Mark's/
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16:48:18 s/can you proposed/can you propose/
16:48:20 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:48:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:49:40 s/tim implement/to implement/
16:49:41 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:49:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:50:23 s/on your queue/17682 is on your queue/
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