IRC log of html-a11y on 2014-02-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-html-a11y-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 2119
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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- Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 03 February 2014
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- Meeting: Canvas Accessibility Sub-Group Teleconference
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- agenda+ Concerns raised by Mozilla
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- agenda+ When Canvas can go back to LC
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- agenda+ Next Meeting
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 6. Any Remaining A11yTF Bugs? [from janina]
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- 7. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from see below via janina]
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- 8. Other Business [from janina]
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- 9. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
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- 10. be done [from janina]
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- 11. Concerns raised by Mozilla [from MarkS]
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- 12. When Canvas can go back to LC [from MarkS]
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- 13. Next Meeting [from MarkS]
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- zakim, drop items 6,7,8,9,10
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- I don't understand 'drop items 6,7,8,9,10', MarkS
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda+ Concerns raised by Mozilla
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- agenda+ When Canvas can go back to LC
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- agenda+ Next Meeting
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- scribe: MarkS
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- chair: MarkS
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- WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has now started
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- +MarkS
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- +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- +[Mozilla]
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- +[Microsoft]
- 23:00:10 [jaymunro]
- zakim, microsoft has me
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- +jaymunro; got it
- 23:00:20 [MarkS]
- zakim, [Mozilla] is davidb
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- +davidb; got it
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Concerns raised by Mozilla" taken up [from MarkS]
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- DB: It appears as though there was a reaction to the discussion at Mozilla. I was surprised that Dominic withdrew his support.
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- +[Microsoft.a]
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- ...need to ask him. Want to give Alex and Rik some space to explore hit regions
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- zakim, [Microsoft is JatinderMann
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- sorry, MarkS, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft'
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- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958241
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- zakim, [Microsoft.a] is JatinderMann
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- +JatinderMann; got it
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- DB: worried that the AAPI doesn't have enough info about siblings and children, etc.
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- RS: I understand that info gets stored in the layout engine, and in the AAPI. If you do average scrolling, the info get updated. The issue we had was if the viewport needed to be scrolled into view, which we handled in our spec changes
- 23:06:40 [Mike5]
- Zakim, call Mike
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- ok, Mike5; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- ...When the discussion was happening, Zynga was not pleased with hit testing approach. They wanted something "fuzzier"
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- ...they wanted to modify the actually hit or trigger area
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- ...when hit testing was put into the spec, Microsoft didn't have a chance to review it. It was later taken out. So we focused on the drawSystemFocusRing, now drawFocusIfNeeded approach to handle a11y.
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- ...in order for hit regions to work, we have to work on Path as well. Most of this is Canvas L2 stuff.
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- DB: Who is responsible for storing the current path
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- ?
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- RS: its the object, the canvas object.
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- ...I think the drawFocusIfNeeded and Hit Regions need to coexist
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- DB: It could cause a problem, I don't know.
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- RS: If we do implement hit regions, we could say that it overrides any drawFocusIfNeeded processing.
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- DB: right one would need priority
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- ...we wanted to explore hit testing. if it doesn't work out, we wanted to consider focus outline as a backup
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- ...if hit testing goes really well, we're not sure what we would do with focus outline approach
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- JMann: So hit testing might solve the problem we solve with drawFocus?
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- RS: It would solve the location info, but not the outline drawing
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- JMann: so we have two potential solutions, but would only need to support one?
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- RS: IF we had two, could one affect the setting of the other?
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- DB: I'm looking out for the cognitive load on the developer
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- JMann: If we support drawFocus, and then hit testing comes around, how does that affect the developer
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- RS: Hit testing was always in the plan. The question is how long people will have to wait.
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- JMann: imagine we support drawFocus, hit testing in L2 will have to play nicely with drawFocus
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- RS: I don't think it would be a problem. We'd be applying hit regions in a similar manner to how its done in the OS. The thing is, if we add hit testing, if someone supplies a hit region, it takes precedence over any other location information
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- JMann: whatever we build in L2, it has to play well with L1. I just worry about compatibility. Espeicially if our only motivation is to get something out the door.
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- RS: We will still need to handle drawing the focus, including high contrast.
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- DB: as far as I'm concerned, neither option is off the table. Trevor didn't accept the patch, but that is not final. We would like to take a week on this to do some exploration.
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- ...I have reached out to Dominic. Don't want to bother him too much.
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- RS: Better if it came from Moz.
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- MS: encourage Moz to post to public-canvas-api
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Concerns raised by Mozilla [from MarkS]
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- 2. When Canvas can go back to LC [from MarkS]
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- 3. Next Meeting [from MarkS]
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- JMunro: looking at hit regions, just wanted to say Path is critical to that. If we are thinking about going down that road, there is a lot of work to do on both
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- JMann: happy with drawFocus in L1 and hit regions in L2 as long as there is no backwards compatibility issues.
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- RS: I don't think they are going to draw the actual focus in hit regions
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- -Mike
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- -JatinderMann
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- -MarkS
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- -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- -[Microsoft]
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- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, Concerns raised by Mozilla, closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. When Canvas can go back to LC [from MarkS]
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "When Canvas can go back to LC" taken up [from MarkS]
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- MS: I will update Paul this week in the TF call
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- zakim, close item 2
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- agendum 2, When Canvas can go back to LC, closed
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- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 3. Next Meeting [from MarkS]
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 3. "Next Meeting" taken up [from MarkS]
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- See you all next week.
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 23:24:53 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see davidb
- 23:24:56 [jaymunro]
- thanks mark
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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- zakim, drop davidb
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- davidb is being disconnected
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- WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were MarkS, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, jaymunro, davidb, [Microsoft], JatinderMann, Mike
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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- MarkS: sorry I missed the meeting!
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