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13:54:35 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman has changed the topic to: First meeting for Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group
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13:59:56 <PhilA> zakim, this will be dwbp
13:59:56 <Zakim> ok, PhilA, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started
14:00:02 <PhilA> zakim, code?
14:00:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
14:00:14 <Seiji_Isotani> Seiji_Isotani has joined #dwbp
14:00:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:00:27 <Zakim> -??P14
14:00:35 <Zakim> +??P15
14:00:53 <DeirdreLee> DeirdreLee has joined #dwbp
14:00:59 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
14:01:00 <ElieSL> ElieSL has joined #dwbp
14:01:01 <Zakim> +??P17
14:01:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
14:01:11 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller.aa is me
14:01:12 <Zakim> +Caroline
14:01:12 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
14:01:13 <rsingh2> I have conflicting meetings. I'll at least be on chat but may not be able to call in.
14:01:24 <Zakim> +??P20
14:01:24 <newtoncalegari> newtoncalegari has joined #dwbp
14:01:45 <BernadetteLoscio> sip:zakim@voip.w3.org
14:01:57 <Zakim> -Caroline
14:01:59 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
14:01:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.509.371.aaaa, ??P13, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], ??P15, HadleyBeeman, ??P17, PhilA, ??P20
14:01:59 <carlosiglesias> zakim, +??P17 is me
14:02:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see newtoncalegari, ElieSL, DeirdreLee, Seiji_Isotani, christianmiranda_, MTCarrasco, John_Goodwin, rsingh2, carlosiglesias, Daniel, Caroline_, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan,
14:02:01 <Zakim> ... yaso, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, BernadetteLoscio, Ig_Bittencourt
14:02:01 <Zakim> sorry, carlosiglesias, I do not recognize a party named '+??P17'
14:02:06 <Zakim> + +33.5.56.40.aabb
14:02:20 <carlosiglesias> zakim, P17 is me
14:02:20 <Zakim> sorry, carlosiglesias, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'
14:02:25 <carlosiglesias> zakim, ??P17 is me
14:02:26 <Zakim> +carlosiglesias; got it
14:02:38 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P15 is me
14:02:38 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it
14:02:53 <antoine> antoine has joined #dwbp
14:03:01 <PhilA> zakim, aabb is ElieSL
14:03:01 <Zakim> +ElieSL; got it
14:03:30 <Zakim> +Steve
14:03:38 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is ericstephan
14:03:39 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it
14:03:49 <Zakim> +Caroline
14:03:52 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
14:03:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, ??P13, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, carlosiglesias, PhilA, ??P20, ElieSL, Steve, Caroline
14:03:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see antoine, newtoncalegari, ElieSL, DeirdreLee, Seiji_Isotani, christianmiranda_, MTCarrasco, John_Goodwin, rsingh2, carlosiglesias, Daniel, Caroline_, HadleyBeeman,
14:03:54 <Zakim> ... ericstephan, yaso, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, BernadetteLoscio
14:04:26 <gsuarez> gsuarez has joined #dwbp
14:04:26 <Daniel> I'm on SKype (Daniel)
14:04:29 <Vagner_Br> Vagner_Br has joined #dwbp
14:04:29 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller.a is DeirdreLee
14:04:29 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it
14:04:36 <Vanessa_Tonini> Vanessa_Tonini has joined #dwbp
14:04:38 <rtroncy> rtroncy has joined #dwbp
14:04:39 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is Daniel
14:04:39 <Zakim> +Daniel; got it
14:04:43 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
14:04:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, ??P13, Daniel, DeirdreLee, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, carlosiglesias, PhilA, ??P20, ElieSL, Steve, Caroline
14:04:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see rtroncy, Vanessa_Tonini, Vagner_Br, gsuarez, antoine, newtoncalegari, ElieSL, DeirdreLee, Seiji_Isotani, christianmiranda_, MTCarrasco, John_Goodwin, rsingh2,
14:04:45 <Zakim> ... carlosiglesias, Daniel, Caroline_, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan
14:04:49 <Zakim> +Ruben
14:04:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:05:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:05:04 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:05:04 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
14:05:29 <Seiji_Isotani> not abble to connect
14:05:40 <adler1> adler1 has joined #dwbp
14:05:45 <HadleyBeeman> selji_isotani, not able to connect on the phone?
14:05:45 <adler1> hi phil
14:06:02 <Seiji_Isotani> yes Hadley
14:06:19 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #dwbp
14:06:40 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is speaking?
14:06:43 <nathalia> nathalia has joined #dwbp
14:06:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:06:52 <CrizGonzalez> CrizGonzalez has joined #dwbp
14:06:52 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P13 (24%), Caroline (34%), antoine (10%)
14:06:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, ??P13, Daniel, DeirdreLee, MTCarrasco (muted), HadleyBeeman, carlosiglesias, PhilA, ??P20, ElieSL, Steve, Caroline, Ruben, antoine, [IPcaller.a]
14:07:05 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> It could be me
14:07:10 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I am calling from skype
14:07:24 <yaso> Yes, Hadley!
14:07:34 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, yaso is with caroline
14:07:35 <Zakim> +yaso; got it
14:08:10 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aacc
14:08:40 <herrmann> herrmann has joined #dwbp
14:08:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:08:50 <yaso> Vagner_br, nathalia, newtoncalegari, CrizGonzalez and christianmiranda_ are with us on the same call
14:08:58 <Caroline_> zakim, mute me
14:08:58 <Zakim> sorry, Caroline_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:09:16 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, Vagner_br, nathalia, newtoncalegari, CrizGonzalez, christianmiranda_ are with caroline
14:09:16 <Zakim> I don't understand you, HadleyBeeman
14:09:23 <Seiji_Isotani> Seiji isotani
14:09:24 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, Vagner_br is with caroline
14:09:24 <Zakim> +Vagner_br; got it
14:09:27 <Caroline_> +551155093537
14:09:30 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, nathalia is with caroline
14:09:30 <Zakim> +nathalia; got it
14:09:31 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
14:09:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, ??P13, Daniel, DeirdreLee, MTCarrasco (muted), HadleyBeeman, carlosiglesias, PhilA, ??P20, ElieSL, Steve, Caroline, Ruben, antoine, [IPcaller.a],
14:09:35 <Zakim> ... rtroncy (muted), [IPcaller]
14:09:35 <Zakim> Caroline has Caroline, yaso, Vagner_br, nathalia
14:09:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see herrmann, CrizGonzalez, nathalia, JoaoPauloAlmeida, adler1, rtroncy, Vanessa_Tonini, Vagner_Br, gsuarez, antoine, newtoncalegari, ElieSL, DeirdreLee, Seiji_Isotani,
14:09:35 <Zakim> ... christianmiranda_, MTCarrasco, John_Goodwin, rsingh2, carlosiglesias
14:09:38 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, newtoncalegari is with caroline
14:09:38 <Zakim> +newtoncalegari; got it
14:09:44 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
14:09:49 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, CrizGonzalez is with caroline
14:09:49 <Zakim> +CrizGonzalez; got it
14:09:53 <Zakim> +??P0
14:09:57 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P0 is me
14:09:57 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
14:10:03 <Caroline_> zakim, I have CrisGonzales, newtoncalegari
14:10:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I have CrisGonzales, newtoncalegari', Caroline_
14:10:11 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, christianmiranda_ is with caroline
14:10:11 <Zakim> +christianmiranda_; got it
14:10:11 <Seiji_Isotani> My connections is a not good here ... may go down a few times
14:10:20 <christianmiranda_> :)
14:10:20 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is speaking
14:10:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', HadleyBeeman
14:10:25 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is speaking?
14:10:35 <MTCarrasco> Noise: please mute
14:10:36 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (10%), ??P13 (19%), HadleyBeeman (48%), Caroline (57%)
14:10:53 <Caroline_> Hadley, could you speak louder, please?
14:11:01 <PhilA> zakim, mute Caroline
14:11:02 <Zakim> Caroline should now be muted
14:11:34 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page
14:11:53 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA
14:11:58 <PhilA> scribeNick: PhilA
14:12:01 <PhilA> chair: HadleyBeeman
14:12:11 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Opens meeting
14:12:15 <Caroline_> Caroline_ thanks Phila
14:12:38 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Says we'll spend most of the meeting getting used to how we do this
14:12:46 <PhilA> ... introduces the queue system
14:12:48 <HadleyBeeman> q+
14:13:07 <rtroncy> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings
14:13:11 <ErikMannens> ErikMannens has joined #dwbp
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14:13:12 <PhilA> q- HadleyBeeman
14:13:18 <ErikMannens> ErikMannens has joined #dwbp
14:13:35 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Invites people to ask her to slow down if she speaks too quickly
14:13:46 <PhilA> ... introduces scribe role
14:13:54 <PhilA> ... gives us a written record of the meeting as we talk
14:14:03 <PhilA> ... then becomes the meeting minutes
14:14:22 <PhilA> ... everyone should feel free to type comments into IRC
14:14:47 <PhilA> ... you can put in comments by typing /me {comment} and then it won't appear in the meeting minutes
14:14:59 <PhilA> topic: Who's Who in the Working Group
14:15:05 <christianmiranda__> christianmiranda__ has joined #dwbp
14:15:30 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Invites people to say your name, your organisation and why you're interested in the WG
14:15:55 <herrmann_> herrmann_ has joined #dwbp
14:15:56 <PhilA> adler1: So I'll start. I'm Steve Adler anda I'm a co-chair with Hadley and Yaso
14:16:11 <PhilA> ... worked at IBM for many years in Denmark and elsewhere
14:16:30 <PhilA> ... working on open data around the world. I see the need for open standards for compatability, data quality etc.
14:16:40 <yaso> q+
14:16:42 <PhilA> ... helping different regions around the world
14:17:08 <PhilA> antoine: I work for Europeana and the Vrije University in Amsterdam
14:17:23 <yaso> yes
14:17:27 <PhilA> ... same interests as Steve. My interest especially is in cultural heritage
14:17:37 <PhilA> ack Caroline
14:17:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I can't hear
14:18:12 <ericstephan> I can't either
14:18:23 <PhilA> yaso: Hi, I'm from Nic.br/W3C Brasil. Interested in fostering open data (and I;m a co-chair of the WG!)
14:18:40 <PhilA> zakim, mute Caroline
14:18:40 <Zakim> Caroline should now be muted
14:18:49 <PhilA> Hello BernadetteLoscio?
14:18:56 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
14:19:04 <HadleyBeeman> ack yaso
14:19:14 <yaso> me/ Oh yes! Of course. Thanks, Phil!
14:19:20 <PhilA> carlosiglesias: Hello. I'm an independent consultant, former W3C office staff
14:19:30 <PhilA> ... working on lots of Web standards projects
14:19:37 <PhilA> ... especially on open government
14:19:44 <vkoster> vkoster has joined #dwbp
14:19:53 <PhilA> ... for last 6 years or so focussed on open data projects and initiatives
14:20:00 <Ig_Bittencourt> speak afterwards
14:20:27 <PhilA> carlosiglesias: This is not just my business it's my way of life. I feel I have to be here
14:20:42 <PhilA> ack Caroline
14:21:06 <PhilA> Caroline_: I'm here with Yaso and others at Nic.br.
14:21:16 <PhilA> zakim, mute Caroline
14:21:16 <Zakim> Caroline should now be muted
14:21:27 <PhilA> zakim, unmute Caroline
14:21:27 <Zakim> Caroline should no longer be muted
14:21:57 <Daniel> (I may have to speak later, I need to be away for 5 mins)
14:22:02 <PhilA> christianmiranda__: I work at the Ministry of planning, budget etc. in Brazil. We are responsible for data.gob.br
14:22:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:22:14 <herrmann> Christian: dados.gov.br
14:22:23 <PhilA> ... we're working in a project for open data strategy for data on the Web in Brazil
14:22:39 <PhilA> q+ to introduce the s// command
14:22:44 <gguizzardi> gguizzardi has joined #dwbp
14:22:51 <Caroline_> Bernadette is on the call now
14:23:08 <christianmiranda__> ack
14:23:13 <PhilA> CrizGonzalez: Hi, I'm close to the guys from W3C Brasil.
14:24:01 <PhilA> BernadetteLoscio: [hard to hear detail]
14:24:12 <Caroline_> Phil, I will help you with the scribing
14:24:13 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?
14:24:24 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller.a] (20%), HadleyBeeman (32%), ElieSL (4%), Caroline (15%), Ruben (41%)
14:24:40 <PhilA> zakim, mute ruben
14:24:40 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted
14:24:44 <Caroline_> Bernadette: I am from the Federal University of Pernambuco, I work mostly with database, open data and linked data
14:24:58 <PhilA> ElieSL: hi I'm Elie Sloim, in Bordeaux. We work on website quality
14:25:10 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
14:25:12 <PhilA> ... we wrote a checklist for better od quality
14:25:16 <PhilA> ack Daniel
14:25:31 <Zakim> +??P0
14:25:40 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P0 is me
14:25:40 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
14:26:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
14:26:11 <PhilA> DeirdreLee: Hi, I'm from the Insight team at the University in Galway, formerly DERI
14:26:13 <ericstephan> no sound?
14:26:14 <Daniel> ok I'll introduce myself after Deirdre
14:26:22 <HadleyBeeman> thanks, daniel
14:26:26 <PhilA> ... done lots of work with W3C on standards, eGov, linked data etc.
14:27:13 <PhilA> Daniel: I'm a prof in Rio. Worked in Sem Web for a long time. Using Sem Web, have worked with various agencies at federal and local level, helping them publish their data on the Web
14:27:18 <Vagner_Br> He was also one of the general chairs of the successful WWW2013 in Rio de Janeiro las year
14:27:23 <PhilA> ... also collaborating with the W3C office in Brazil
14:27:37 <PhilA> Hailing ericstephan
14:27:47 <ericstephan> phone not working
14:27:47 <PhilA> Erik M??
14:27:57 <ericstephan> Eric Stephan, Pacific Northwest National Labs
14:28:07 <PhilA> what a pain ericstephan
14:28:08 <ericstephan> Interested in linked data for science
14:29:21 <ErikMannens> q+
14:29:35 <PhilA> ericstephan: I'm interested in the practical application of LD for scientific data
14:29:44 <PhilA> ack ErikMannens
14:29:50 <HadleyBeeman> unmute erikmannens
14:29:53 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
14:29:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, ??P13, Daniel, DeirdreLee, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, carlosiglesias, PhilA, ??P20, ElieSL, Steve, Caroline, Ruben (muted), antoine, rtroncy (muted),
14:29:56 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], JoaoPauloAlmeida, [IPcaller.aa]
14:29:56 <Zakim> Caroline has Caroline, yaso, Vagner_br, nathalia, newtoncalegari, CrizGonzalez, christianmiranda_
14:29:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see gguizzardi, vkoster, herrmann, christianmiranda__, ErikMannens, CrizGonzalez, nathalia, JoaoPauloAlmeida, adler1, rtroncy, Vanessa_Tonini, Vagner_Br, gsuarez, antoine,
14:29:56 <Zakim> ... newtoncalegari, ElieSL, DeirdreLee, Seiji_Isotani, MTCarrasco
14:30:44 <PhilA> gguizzardi: I'm Gianluca - working in Trento and elsewhere. Lots of experience in building conceptual models etc
14:30:59 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> he's Giancarlo
14:31:08 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/Gianluca/Giancarlo
14:31:10 <christianmiranda__> :)
14:31:13 <PhilA> s/Gianluca/Giancarlo/
14:31:43 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I wear a bunch of hats. I'm just finishing chairing the Gov Linked data WG
14:31:49 <PhilA> ... also work for UK Government
14:31:51 <gguizzardi> Giancarlo Guizzardi. Professor in the Federal University of Espirito Santo in Brazil and currently also a Visiting Professor in the University of Trento, Italy
14:31:54 <PhilA> ... and Mozilla
14:32:09 <PhilA> ... want to fix some of the problems that have been bugging me
14:32:26 <PhilA> herrmann: Hello
14:32:28 <gguizzardi> Most of the academic, technology transfer and outreach work in Ontologies, Conceptual Modeling, Data Semantics and Semantic Interoperability
14:32:57 <Vagner_Br> Augusto Hermann: works for the Ministry of Planning at the Open Data Team
14:33:07 <PhilA> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:33:26 <herrmann_> herrmann_ has joined #dwbp
14:33:42 <ErikMannens> I'm from iMinds-MMLab ... I lead a group of 20 SemWeb researchers ... was co-chair of W3C's Media Fragments WG (together with my friend rtroncy :) ... now still active in Provenance and CSV group ... have a big Open Data project in Flanders & are maintainers of two LOD publishing platforms, i.e., TheDataTank and R&Wbase
14:33:59 <PhilA> Ig_Bittencourt: ('eegee' (forgive my Anglo-Saxon ignornace Ig_Bittencourt)
14:34:08 <herrmann_> PhilA: sorry I lost connection so couldn't see your transcript
14:34:08 <Vagner_Br> Augusto Hermann: I am interested on Onthology topics. At the ministry they are in charge of Open Data group
14:34:41 <PhilA> JoaoPauloAlmeida: Prof and colleague of Giancarlo. Mostly interested in vocab design and quality, conceptual models etc.
14:34:58 <PhilA> John_Goodwin: Hi, I work at Ordnance Survey (UK mapping agency)
14:35:16 <PhilA> ... interests include linked data. Sit on UK Gov open standards data group, UK Gov Linked Data WG
14:35:25 <PhilA> ... we have published a lot of data, some linked, some open
14:35:26 <herrmann_> Vagner_Br: ack
14:35:35 <PhilA> ... sitting with a geospatial hat on
14:35:49 <christianmiranda> christianmiranda has joined #dwbp
14:35:52 <PhilA> ... tie things back to Open Geospatial Consortium too
14:35:58 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco
14:36:47 <Zakim> +??P15
14:36:51 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Pretty significant contingent from Brazil...
14:37:01 <PhilA> newtoncalegari:  Hi, I;m from nic.br too
14:37:03 <Caroline_> Nathalia: I work at Brazilian Internet Steering Committtee (CGI.Br)
14:37:10 <PhilA> s/I;m/I'mg
14:37:10 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P15 is me
14:37:10 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it
14:37:34 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA: I'm the Data Activity lead at W3C, coordinating the working groups in this space.
14:37:37 <Vagner_Br> Nathalia: works for the Internet Steering Committee in Brazil. I am also interested in open data in general
14:37:53 <HadleyBeeman> … Includes the CSV on the Web working group, the Semantic Web working groups.  I'm pleased to see this one get off the ground.
14:38:14 <HadleyBeeman> …  It goes back to a workshop we held in London nearly a year ago.  Those discussions pointed to the need for this group.
14:38:29 <Vagner_Br> Newton Calegari: I am work for NIC.br in Brazil. I am also interested in fostering open data.
14:38:44 <HadleyBeeman> … In this group, I'm team contact.  I keep out of things as much as possible.  I support you, the group, and the chairs, to steer you along the W3C recommendations track.
14:38:56 <herrmann> herrmann has joined #dwbp
14:39:04 <HadleyBeeman> … I wrote the charter for this group, based on input from the conference in Rio (among other inputs).
14:39:18 <HadleyBeeman> … It's my job to help you deliver against that charter.
14:39:51 <MTCarrasco> M.T. Carrasco Benitez - European Commission - multilingual data -  http://dragoman.org/dwbp - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jan/0012.html
14:40:05 <PhilA> MTCarrasco: I'm at the European Commission in Luxembourg, my interest is in multilingual aspects
14:40:40 <Daniel_> Daniel_ has joined #dwbp
14:40:48 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Explains that RRSAgent is a bot that sits on the channel and helps to record the minutes. (RRS stands for Ralph R Swick, COO of W3C)
14:40:55 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
14:41:06 <PhilA> calling rtroncy
14:41:12 <Zakim> +??P0
14:41:15 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P0 is me
14:41:15 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
14:41:25 <Daniel_> My client crashed, I re-logged in, but I don't know how to kill my previous id (Daniel)
14:41:27 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, mute me
14:41:27 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted
14:41:41 <PhilA> rtroncy: I'm Raphael Troncy from Eurecom
14:41:51 <PhilA> ... a non-profit research institute in SE France.
14:42:15 <PhilA> ... I lead a Sem Web research group. Co-Chaired several W3C groups, member of various Community groups
14:42:33 <PhilA> ... interested in making a better use of data, esp from government
14:42:51 <PhilA> ... involved in DataLift project in France that, among otehr things, created lov.okfn.org
14:43:06 <PhilA> call Seiji_Isotani
14:43:24 <PhilA> Seiji_Isotani: From Uni Sao Paolo
14:43:36 <rtroncy> s/otehr things/other things
14:43:48 <PhilA> ... working with ontologies for 10 years. I see this WG has a need to create best pract for structured open data
14:43:53 <PhilA> ... hope I can help a little buit
14:44:32 <Daniel_> zakim, mute me
14:44:32 <Zakim> sorry, Daniel_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:45:28 <Daniel_> I had to reenter the IRC, but I don't know how to tie it to my Skype call
14:45:31 <Zakim> -Caroline
14:45:45 <yaso> Sorry, we disconnected
14:45:48 <yaso> Dialing again
14:46:04 <yaso> \o/
14:46:35 <PhilA> vkoster Are you there?
14:46:45 <PhilA> Are you here Raj?
14:46:47 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?
14:46:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, ??P13, Daniel, DeirdreLee, HadleyBeeman, carlosiglesias, PhilA, ??P20, ElieSL, Steve, Ruben (muted), antoine, rtroncy (muted), [IPcaller],
14:46:51 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller.a], [IPcaller.aa], MTCarrasco (muted), JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted)
14:46:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_, herrmann, christianmiranda, gguizzardi, vkoster, ErikMannens, CrizGonzalez, nathalia, JoaoPauloAlmeida, adler1, rtroncy, Vanessa_Tonini, Vagner_Br, gsuarez,
14:46:51 <Zakim> ... antoine, newtoncalegari, ElieSL, DeirdreLee, Seiji_Isotani
14:47:22 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?
14:47:33 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel (50%), ??P13 (17%), HadleyBeeman (90%), ElieSL (4%)
14:47:33 <PhilA> Topic: main Agenda
14:47:37 <Zakim> +Caroline
14:47:40 <PhilA> zakim, mute Daniel_
14:47:41 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Daniel_
14:47:44 <PhilA> zakim, mute Daniel
14:47:44 <Zakim> Daniel should now be muted
14:47:48 <yaso> and... We're back!
14:47:51 <Vagner_Br> Q+
14:48:14 <rsingh2> Raj is here now
14:48:18 <HadleyBeeman> ack vagner
14:49:06 <PhilA> Vagner_Br: I'm Vagner Diniz, I'm head of W3C office in Brazil. One of our main topics is open data. We want to see open data spreading around Brasil. Also connected with OGP
14:49:25 <PhilA> ... also connected to ??? initiative on open data for Latin America
14:49:40 <PhilA> ... we help wth the open data for development portal
14:49:54 <PhilA> ... Og4D (og4d.org)
14:50:12 <christianmiranda> also connected to OD4D - http://www.od4d.org/
14:50:17 <Caroline_> ... also conected to OGP Open Data Working Group
14:50:28 <PhilA> Vanessa_Tonini: I'm a Web developer at W3C Brasil, here to learn more about open data
14:50:46 <PhilA> ack Ig_Bittencourt
14:51:00 <Vinh> Vinh has joined #dwbp
14:51:02 <HadleyBeeman> ack phila
14:51:02 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to introduce the s// command
14:51:03 <Caroline_> s/og4D; m/OD4D (www.od4d.org)
14:51:16 <gsuarez> Hi all, I'm Gustavo Suarez and i'm working for the open data project in Uruguay...
14:51:16 <Vagner_Br> s/???/IDRC Canadian Agency initiative on Open Data for Latin America and the Caribbean
14:52:59 <PhilA> Topic: Practicalities
14:53:00 <John_Goodwin> sorry have to go at 3
14:53:10 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We're a group trying to work together remotely
14:53:22 <PhilA> ... we have to create a Best practices doc and two vocabularies
14:53:31 <PhilA> ... we'll come together once a week on the phone
14:53:40 <HadleyBeeman> Doodle poll to find a time for our weekly meetings: http://doodle.com/dt3xax6tkk8grq83
14:53:51 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: we have not yet set the times of those meetings yet
14:53:58 <PhilA> please fill in the Doodle poll
14:54:09 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: That would help us fix the slot for everyine
14:54:36 <PhilA> PhilA: Kangchan Lee (Korea) joined today. ericstephan is in Pacific Time
14:55:00 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: The chairs will send an agenda at least 2 days before  each meeting
14:55:01 <MTCarrasco> Anybody from the  West USA or Asia?
14:55:13 <PhilA> Yes MTCarrasco - ericstephan is West USA
14:55:29 <PhilA> ... Kangchan Lee is in Seoul I believe
14:56:01 <MTCarrasco> So, it has to be late afternoon in Europe - hard for Seoul
14:56:08 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Talks about face to face meetings. TPAC is when lots of groups get together. This year in Santa Clara late October
14:56:25 <PhilA> PhilA:  (note - we're having a party for 25 years of the Web in Santa Clara)
14:56:36 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
14:56:45 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: And we have a f2f meting in London 31 March April
14:56:51 <Zakim> +??P0
14:56:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P0 is me
14:56:53 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
14:57:06 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: F2F meetings are a chance to get together and you get a lot done
14:57:15 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Any questions on meetings and f2f meetings
14:57:23 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?
14:57:33 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JoaoPauloAlmeida (9%), [IPcaller.a] (20%)
14:57:35 <ericstephan> It feels like we are part of a musical
14:57:41 <PhilA> zakim, mute ipcaller.a
14:57:41 <Zakim> [IPcaller.a] should now be muted
14:57:45 <John_Goodwin> sorry have to go now - catch you all next week.
14:57:59 <christianmiranda> now we're back, sorry
14:58:08 <John_Goodwin> bye!
14:58:15 <Zakim> -??P20
14:58:20 <PhilA> Topic: Procedures
14:58:43 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We try for volunteers for scribing. If no volunteer, zakim will pick a victim
14:59:17 <PhilA> PhilA: You might want to look at the tracker https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/
14:59:33 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We need one or more editors for each document
15:00:02 <PhilA> ... the question is who is going to step up and take charge of the deliverable and who will contgribute
15:00:18 <PhilA> ... we have a wiki that we'll use for our agendas, meeting minutes etc. - everything
15:00:37 <martin> martin has joined #dwbp
15:00:42 <PhilA> ... only WG members can edit the wiki but it can be read by the public
15:01:17 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We have 2 mailing lists at the moment. The main one is the one from which you will have received info about this meeting
15:01:42 <PhilA> ... the archives are publicly available
15:01:52 <Vinh> hi, I'm trying to join the teleconference. It's asking for the code, can anyone please let me know what the code is?
15:02:21 <PhilA> zakim, code?
15:02:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
15:02:31 <PhilA> there you are Vinh :-)
15:02:37 <Vinh> thanks Phil
15:02:58 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/ main mailing list
15:03:09 <PhilA> (member only-writeable, publicly visible)
15:03:40 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html
15:03:44 <Zakim> + +1.937.343.aadd
15:03:48 <PhilA> Topic: charter
15:04:06 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: The charter is the document that sets out what the group is committed to do
15:04:48 <PhilA> adler1: We're supposed to deliver 3 main documents
15:05:10 <PhilA> ... Best practices - how to address some of the internal challenges that IT departments face. How od might be used, compared, analysed etc.
15:05:29 <PhilA> ... we have another deliverable around a vocab for describing the quality of data on the Web
15:05:34 <PhilA> ... and one on the use of data
15:05:47 <PhilA> ...  the two vocabs are more techie
15:05:58 <PhilA> ... and the BP guide is about internal practices, policies etc.
15:06:06 <MTCarrasco> q+
15:06:11 <PhilA> adler1: Those are 3 separate deliverables
15:06:29 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: And with that comes at least 3 separate editors and possibly 3 separate task forces
15:06:45 <PhilA> adler1: Fortunately we have 3 talented co-chairs
15:06:51 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?
15:07:02 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P13 (81%), HadleyBeeman (30%), Steve (9%), Caroline (9%)
15:07:03 <adler1> I muted
15:07:13 <Vagner_Br> Q+
15:07:15 <PhilA> zakim, mute P13
15:07:15 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P13
15:07:22 <PhilA> zakim, mute ??P13
15:07:22 <Zakim> ??P13 should now be muted
15:07:27 <PhilA> ack MTCarrasco
15:07:57 <PhilA> MTCarrasco: How are you going to treat multilingual issues? HTTP is multilingual but linked data is often not
15:08:10 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I don't think that has been decided - that's an issue we can take up
15:08:14 <PhilA> ... and decide
15:08:35 <PhilA> adler1: I think multilingual is an important consideration
15:08:53 <PhilA> ... what forms should vocabs take, how should we do that? How has it been done before?
15:09:14 <MTCarrasco> It must be variant such as the formats
15:09:26 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: The same way we've done other things. If there is enthusiasm in the WG, and it heps fulfil the charter then it's in scope
15:09:59 <PhilA> MTCarrasco: It you look at the HTTP the language is one of several dimensions.
15:10:09 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Looks interesting - please keep on that tract in this WG
15:10:32 <HadleyBeeman> q?
15:10:37 <PhilA> ack Vagner_Br
15:10:57 <HadleyBeeman> q+ antoine
15:11:08 <MTCarrasco>  Dimensions of negotiation http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2295#section-4.7
15:11:14 <PhilA> Vagner_Br: On multilimgual - that would be very nice if this group addressed that issue
15:11:16 <PhilA> q+
15:11:29 <PhilA> Vagner_Br: maybe we should add it to the charter?
15:11:43 <PhilA> ... if we have the expertise in the WG then good. we need to find the people who are interested
15:11:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, mute me
15:11:52 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted
15:12:02 <PhilA> .... but my question about the charter... one of gthe missions of the WG is to develop the open data ecosystem
15:12:17 <MTCarrasco> Big Multilingual Linked Data (BigMu) http://dragoman.org/mw7/bigmu.txt
15:12:18 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:12:19 <PhilA> ... I could not see in the deliverables where this topic is covered
15:12:32 <Zakim> +??P0
15:12:32 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I'm happy to talk about that
15:12:36 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P0 is me
15:12:36 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
15:12:38 <PhilA> q-
15:13:22 <Vinh> zakim, +1.937.343.aadd is me
15:13:22 <Zakim> +Vinh; got it
15:14:51 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: To your point about the ecosystem...
15:15:08 <PhilA> ... the deliverables we have came out of the holes in the ecosystem
15:15:32 <PhilA> ... the items in the BPs for example, those things without which the ecosystem doesn't function well.
15:15:46 <PhilA> ... for e.g. when we have understandable and persistent URs, that helps
15:15:48 <MTCarrasco> One should not make language an special case: apply existing standards; back to basics http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
15:16:32 <herrmann> q+
15:16:46 <PhilA> ... likewise the vocabs came out of discussions with others. So the granularity and quality vocab came from developers who say they won't use data if they don't know it will be there this time next week
15:16:58 <ericstephan> q+
15:17:15 <PhilA> ... and it helps people state that a dataset is not accurate - so don't assume it is
15:17:36 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Describes need for usage vocab
15:18:03 <PhilA> ... creates a relationship between the publisher and developer
15:18:20 <yaso> q+
15:18:28 <PhilA> Vagner_Br: That helps for a beginning. Let's see what happens later. my vision of the ecosystem is much broader
15:18:46 <PhilA> ... how can we address the many disciplines and actors who may not usually be involved
15:18:50 <Daniel> will we need to have actual data published following what we recommend, as an example?
15:19:09 <PhilA> yes Daniel - you are correct
15:19:33 <PhilA> ack herrmann
15:20:12 <PhilA> herrmann: If I look at the deliverables. The BP doc says it should be technologically agnostic - so not only linked data. Also JSON, others etc.
15:20:16 <Zakim> -ElieSL
15:20:20 <Daniel> Phil, shouldn't this become then an action item? Several participants are directly involved in publishing actual data, many from governments
15:21:12 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is on the queue?
15:21:12 <Zakim> I see antoine, ericstephan, yaso on the speaker queue
15:21:19 <MTCarrasco> Yes Daniel: theory should come the empirical  processing and publishing of large multilingual corpora such as Official Journal of the European Union (OJ)
15:21:39 <christianmiranda> herrmann: so i think it would be a god idea to add a point specific about HATEOAS
15:21:49 <MTCarrasco> 24 languages - terabytes
15:21:50 <christianmiranda> good*
15:22:21 <PhilA> herrmann: Talking about hypermedia ?? language?
15:22:28 <christianmiranda> HAL - Hypertext application Language
15:22:31 <PhilA> ... could we invite those authors to tell us about that?
15:22:45 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Can you post a link please herrmann
15:22:49 <PhilA> ack antoine
15:23:04 <PhilA> antoine: I wanted to ask how we should interpret this line in the charter
15:23:13 <DeirdreLee> q?
15:23:16 <christianmiranda> yes Caroline_ sorry about that
15:23:18 <DeirdreLee> q+
15:23:29 <PhilA> antoine: What Augsut said actually went against that as he was talking about specific technologies
15:23:38 <PhilA> s/Augsut/August/
15:24:01 <Daniel> s/August/Augusto
15:24:10 <herrmann> on the Open Data best practice guide we should consider adding HATEOAS (hypermedia as the engine of applicaiton state) and linking between resources (even if not RDF). There's work on a specification about adding links to xml and json in Hypermedia Application Langauge - http://stateless.co/hal_specification.html
15:24:28 <PhilA> antoine: It seems important to have a vocab about data usage, but I wonder what sort of protocol could be used to commiunicate back to the publisher. Which again speaks against the 'tech agnostic' aspect
15:24:29 <MTCarrasco> I volunteer as editor for the general aspects of the URIs and variants. And the particular application to languages and formats.
15:24:46 <gguizzardi> I wonder if the group sees metadata as data as well...my question is related to if the quality and usage models the group is supposed to produce could also be used to describe metadata about metadata models (e.g., vocabularies)
15:24:48 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: My understanding of that is that it's trying to not ties us to RDF/LD/CSV
15:24:55 <MTCarrasco> q+
15:24:58 <PhilA> PhilA: As author of that line I confirm that is what I meant
15:25:41 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  The Government Linked Data is wrapping things up now.  It specifically government data, and specifically linked data.  This working group removes those two restrictions.
15:25:59 <HadleyBeeman> … Those vocabularies will be RDF vocabularies.  But the membership didn't want this group to be just tied to linked data.
15:26:18 <HadleyBeeman> … It doesn't mean you can't talk about specific technologies; it means you can talk about more than one.
15:26:30 <MTCarrasco> One cannot be agnostic about the basic web technologies such as URIs
15:26:37 <HadleyBeeman> … As the W3C we do think in terms of hyperlinks, URIs, the Web.  It is data on the Web.
15:27:13 <MTCarrasco> One can be agnostics about data formats http://dragoman.org/format
15:27:22 <HadleyBeeman> adler1:  I think this a positive development for W3C.  Open data is an already existing movement; there are different catalogs and repositories in use.
15:27:47 <PhilA> adler1: This is a positive move by W3C  I think. People are using lots of different tech, not just LD. There are evolutionary by-products
15:27:55 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:28:08 <Zakim> +??P0
15:28:10 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P0 is me
15:28:10 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
15:28:21 <MTCarrasco> web != XML    -   Linked Data != XML
15:28:29 <antoine> Antoine: am satisfied with PhilA's answer.
15:28:34 <HadleyBeeman> philA: This is part of merging the eGov activity and the Sem Web activity into the Data activity.
15:28:53 <HadleyBeeman> …  In parallel with this working group, we have the CSV on the Web working group reinforcing this message.
15:28:59 <HadleyBeeman> q?
15:29:10 <herrmann> btw, the HAL specification has a mailing list as well - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/hal-discuss
15:29:25 <PhilA> adler1: Stuff that can be expressed in RDF - we should find ways to express in other tech
15:29:26 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric
15:29:47 <MTCarrasco> The results must be valid for open and closed (inhouse) usage
15:30:07 <Daniel> Zakim, who is muted
15:30:07 <Zakim> Daniel, you need to end that query with '?'
15:30:08 <PhilA> ericstephan: How about outreach to other groups. I think we should think about how we can reach other groups. I was in a forum called Ontolog this week and another under the US NSF
15:30:17 <PhilA> ... they were aware of and asking questions about the Data Activity
15:30:23 <Daniel> Zakim, who is muted?
15:30:23 <Zakim> I see ??P13, Daniel, Ruben, rtroncy, [IPcaller.a] muted
15:30:45 <Zakim> +??P9
15:30:53 <martin> zakim, ??p9 is me
15:30:53 <Zakim> +martin; got it
15:31:08 <Daniel> Zakim, unmute Daniel
15:31:08 <Zakim> Daniel should no longer be muted
15:31:14 <MTCarrasco> Linked Data for Language Technology Community Group - http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt
15:31:34 <MTCarrasco> Best Practices for Multilingual Linked Open Data Community Group http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod
15:31:57 <MTCarrasco> These groups should be informed of this group
15:32:16 <adler1> Steve is still in riga
15:33:00 <Daniel> Zakim, q+ me
15:33:00 <Zakim> I see yaso, DeirdreLee, MTCarrasco, Daniel on the speaker queue
15:34:16 <Daniel> Looks like we need to use the Provenance work
15:34:23 <DeirdreLee> Another related group is OGP Open Data Working Group http://www.opengovpartnership.org/get-involved/london-summit-2013/agenda/session/open-data-working-group
15:34:29 <DeirdreLee> q-
15:35:29 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Our task is to build something, we need to do some writing and that needs review and input from the outside world
15:35:43 <PhilA> ... reaching out to people to review our stuff and feed in is really important
15:36:17 <PhilA> adler1: I'll certainly do what I can to promote our work because we want our standards to have traction
15:36:27 <PhilA> ... having external groups that wants those standards is important
15:36:41 <PhilA> ... we have to look up and see that what we're creating is useful
15:37:15 <PhilA> adler1: If you have relations with places like cities, share their experiences with us - it's a requirements gathering process
15:37:21 <PhilA> ack yaso
15:37:41 <PhilA> yaso: I just want to complete what you're saying. We should list some use cases
15:37:58 <PhilA> ... this will be part of working out what the ecosystyem is that we're trying to support
15:38:05 <PhilA> ack MTCarrasco
15:38:11 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I am sorry I have to leave
15:38:20 <PhilA> MTCarrasco: One cannot be agnostic about basic Web technologies
15:38:39 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> HadleyBeeman, thanks
15:38:55 <PhilA> MTCarrasco: XML has been over-used in some cases. Some people equate RDF with XML for example
15:38:58 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:39:25 <yaso> (more about zakim here http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html)
15:39:46 <PhilA> ... we need to try and avoid overlap. We should use basic Web techs
15:39:52 <HadleyBeeman> q?
15:40:03 <PhilA> ack Daniel
15:40:38 <PhilA> Daniel: How are we going to handle non-standardised technologies?
15:41:02 <PhilA> ... there are other non-W3C ways to represent that might or might not be standards
15:41:20 <PhilA> ... are we going to try and accommodate those non-standardised tech?
15:41:46 <PhilA> Daniel: Augusto pointed to HAL
15:42:28 <PhilA> ... that's a proposal that may use some standards but it may propose other ways. What are we going to say "you should follow this technique" which is not standardised but use RDF?
15:42:33 <ericstephan> we use the expression "convention" rather than standard in climate science.
15:42:47 <herrmann> MTCarrasco, i see RDF 1.1 solves this problem by standardizing many other non-XML serializations for RDF
15:44:29 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  We can point to a standard that is stable and recognised, whether it's one of ours or not.
15:45:05 <gguizzardi> I am sorry but I will have to leave
15:45:22 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
15:45:48 <gguizzardi> thanks. see u next time
15:45:53 <PhilA> Daniel: I understand that we may have some concrete examples
15:45:54 <PhilA> PhilA: yes
15:46:04 <herrmann> Daniel, I think the HAL proposal isn't to the exclusion of publishing RDF as well. It's just a defined way to link XML and JSON resources.
15:48:00 <MTCarrasco> Self-scribe:  1) one cannot be agnostic about basic web technologies (URI)   2) one can be agnostic about data formats (XML)  3) language must be consider within the core web technologies (URI variants)   4) inform specialised groups   5) standards must be valid for open and closed usage
15:48:44 <ericstephan> Its only for the love of LD that I'm agreeing to 4am PST time slots in the doodle poll
15:48:48 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Reminds people please to fill in the Doodle poll for future timign of calls (which will be 1 hour)
15:48:58 <HadleyBeeman> q?
15:49:03 <Daniel> Augusto, it was just an example that came to mind, sorry if it wasn't quite appropriate
15:49:18 <PhilA> Daniel: Yep, I'm happy that we'll explain why something is a best practice irrespective of the tech used
15:49:50 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Summarises what we've discussed so far
15:50:01 <PhilA> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:50:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/24-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA
15:50:12 <herrmann> thanks for the meeting, see you next wek
15:51:05 <MTCarrasco> URI examples http://dragoman.org/bigmu/uri.txt
15:51:09 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Asks for any questions?
15:51:19 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?
15:51:30 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel (48%), HadleyBeeman (50%)
15:51:51 <Daniel> sorry
15:52:02 <Daniel> Zakim, mute me
15:52:02 <Zakim> Daniel should now be muted
15:52:03 <MTCarrasco> q+
15:52:16 <PhilA> ack MTCarrasco
15:52:23 <PhilA> MTCarrasco: Is it possible to be a partial editor?
15:52:26 <antoine> q+
15:52:31 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Yes, if we can find a co-editor
15:52:42 <PhilA> antoine: I'm ready to be a co-editor, not a sole editor
15:53:20 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We can split documents into multiple documents
15:53:32 <PhilA> s/antoine/MTCarrasaco/
15:53:43 <PhilA> q?
15:53:52 <PhilA> ack antoine
15:54:14 <PhilA> antoine: I could be interested depending on what is in the doc of course. The scope is still a bit wide
15:54:42 <ericstephan> q+
15:54:47 <PhilA> ... the scope may remain wide, which means having co-editors is a good idea as each co-editor can take care of the bit that interests them
15:55:13 <PhilA> antoine: Perhaps data usage vocab
15:55:33 <PhilA> antoine: I was involved in SKOS for a long time, cultural heritage etc.
15:55:36 <MTCarrasco> self-scribe: chop into smaller documents - editor volunteer for the document dialing with URIs, variants and applications to multilingual aspects
15:55:37 <PhilA> ack DeirdreLee
15:55:58 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
15:56:05 <PhilA> DeirdreLee: I'd be interested in being an editor... maybe around the BPs, core vocs etc.
15:56:23 <PhilA> ... or maybe the idea of an ecosystem, cross-domain aspects
15:56:49 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Would it be something that tied in all the pieces of the charter?
15:58:02 <PhilA> See http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp-scope/
15:58:47 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  The Mobile Web Best Practices Working group began with an equally wide-open charter.  So that group wrote down what it was/wasn't going to cover.  Helped focus the group.
15:59:06 <HadleyBeeman> q?
15:59:08 <Zakim> -Ruben
15:59:09 <PhilA> DeirdreLee: I'll take a look
15:59:13 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric
15:59:37 <PhilA> ericstephan: I wanted to voice my support - maybe a co-ed on one or other vocabulary. Both relevant to work we're doing
15:59:56 <PhilA> ericstephan: Slight pref for granularity and quality
16:00:27 <Caroline_> I can help DeirdreLee with the edition on BPs, ecossystem
16:00:40 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: And a contributor on the other one
16:00:53 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: And Caroline_ is volunteering to work with DeirdreLee
16:01:07 <PhilA> Caroline_: I can help with editing that and I'll certainly contribute
16:01:20 <PhilA> q?
16:01:26 <PhilA> ack BernadetteLoscio
16:01:31 <ericstephan> I have to drop off now.  Thank you all and it was nice meeting you.
16:01:37 <PhilA> are you muted BernadetteLoscio?
16:01:51 <Zakim> -ericstephan
16:02:04 <BernadetteLoscio> yes
16:02:07 <BernadetteLoscio> i can hear you
16:02:20 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
16:02:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P13 (muted), Daniel (muted), DeirdreLee, HadleyBeeman, carlosiglesias, PhilA, Steve, antoine, rtroncy (muted), [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a] (muted), MTCarrasco
16:02:24 <Zakim> ... (muted), Caroline, Vinh, martin
16:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see martin, Vinh, Daniel, ErikMannens, CrizGonzalez, nathalia, adler1, rtroncy, Vanessa_Tonini, Vagner_Br, gsuarez, antoine, newtoncalegari, DeirdreLee, Seiji_Isotani,
16:02:24 <Zakim> ... MTCarrasco, carlosiglesias, Caroline_, HadleyBeeman, yaso
16:02:41 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Wold anyone particularly like to contribute/work on?
16:02:53 <BernadetteLoscio> im sorry
16:03:02 <BernadetteLoscio> you cant hear me
16:03:03 <Daniel> Folks, I have to leave now.
16:03:05 <PhilA> adler1: I'd def like to work on the BP doc
16:03:08 <BernadetteLoscio> im gonna write
16:03:17 <Daniel> quit
16:03:23 <Zakim> -Steve
16:03:27 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Particular topics in BP?
16:03:38 <Zakim> -Daniel
16:03:42 <adler1> lost signal
16:03:45 <BernadetteLoscio> i'm interested with Quality and Granularity Description Vocabulary.. I have experience with Information Quality
16:03:56 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Wraps up the meeting
16:04:01 <PhilA> ... reminds people of Doodle
16:04:18 <PhilA> zakim, unmute ipcaller.a
16:04:18 <Zakim> [IPcaller.a] should no longer be muted
16:04:20 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:04:27 <HadleyBeeman> http://doodle.com/dt3xax6tkk8grq83
16:04:38 <yaso> tks Hadley!
16:04:43 <Zakim> -rtroncy
16:04:44 <Ig_Bittencourt> Thanks
16:04:44 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!!!
16:04:44 <Zakim> -martin
16:04:47 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee
16:04:48 <rtroncy> Bye all, thanks !
16:04:48 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
16:04:49 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco
16:04:51 <martin> martin has left #dwbp
16:04:51 <Zakim> -carlosiglesias
16:04:53 <MTCarrasco> Bye
16:04:56 <Seiji_Isotani> bye
16:04:58 <Zakim> -Vinh
16:05:03 <nathalia> bye
16:05:04 <Zakim> -PhilA
16:05:06 <Zakim> -??P13
16:05:06 <yaso> bye!
16:05:12 <Zakim> -antoine
16:05:33 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
16:05:37 <Zakim> -Caroline
16:05:38 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
16:05:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Caroline, +1.509.371.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, +33.5.56.40.aabb, carlosiglesias, MTCarrasco, ElieSL, Steve, ericstephan, DeirdreLee, Daniel, Ruben, antoine, yaso,
16:05:38 <Zakim> ... +33.4.93.00.aacc, rtroncy, [IPcaller], Vagner_br, nathalia, newtoncalegari, CrizGonzalez, JoaoPauloAlmeida, christianmiranda_, Vinh, martin
16:06:10 <PhilA> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:06:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/24-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA
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