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15:02:04 <nigel> zakim, ??P28 is me
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15:02:12 <drott> Present+ Dominik_Röttsches
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15:03:25 <kenny> zakim, call kenny-mobile
15:03:25 <Zakim> ok, kenny; the call is being made
15:03:26 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/
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15:04:01 <kenny> zakim, mute me
15:04:01 <Zakim> Kenny should now be muted
15:04:05 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
15:04:22 <Zakim> +EricP
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15:04:40 <wuwei> zakim, EricP is wuwei
15:04:40 <Zakim> +wuwei; got it
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15:04:48 <wuwei> zakim, mute me
15:04:48 <Zakim> wuwei should now be muted
15:05:57 <koalie> plh: I'm Philippe Le Hegaret
15:06:00 <koalie> ... W3C staff
15:06:19 <koalie> ... i used to be a Chair, have fond memories
15:06:29 <koalie> ... I manage 15+ WGs and chairs do have issues
15:06:40 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/2
15:06:41 <koalie> slide 2: Chair Training Modules
15:06:53 <koalie> plh: today I'm going to talk about W3C process and W3C Team
15:07:05 <koalie> ... next session, on tooling
15:07:17 <koalie> ... other session on the Human Dimension
15:07:26 <koalie> ... and last "Focusing the Working Group"
15:07:38 <koalie> slide 3: Today's program
15:07:39 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/program
15:07:57 <koalie> PLH: consensens and groups participants
15:08:14 <koalie> ... I'll talk about the organization of the team
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15:08:22 <koalie> ... The domains
15:08:33 <koalie> ... Process document and Patent policy
15:08:40 <koalie> ... TAG and AB, and roles they're playing
15:08:47 <koalie> ... and the roles of team contacts and chairs
15:08:59 <koalie> slide 5: W3C
15:09:01 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/w3c
15:09:16 <koalie> PLH: W3C's mission: long-term growth of the Web
15:09:34 <Zakim> +Caroline
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15:09:41 <koalie> ... W3C has principles: cooperation, adherences to principles, collective empowerment, royalty-free, and voluntary adoption
15:09:47 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:10:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:10:07 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:10:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see PLH, Doug_Schepers (muted), lizadaly, Judy, Jim_Allan, paulc, wseltzer, chaals, joshue (muted), koalie (muted), BHill, Shawn (muted), drott, Ted, Jeff, nigel,
15:10:10 <Zakim> ... gmandyam, [IPcaller], AWK, Kenny (muted), Jeanne, Debbie_Dahl, wuwei (muted), Andy_Coleman, Sharron, Caroline
15:10:33 <koalie> PLH: W3C has four hosts
15:10:41 <koalie> ... MIT, ERCIM, Keio and Beihang
15:10:45 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
15:10:45 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
15:10:58 <koalie> ... each member of the w3c team is an employee of those four institutions, with a few exceptions
15:11:05 <koalie> ... we are spread around the world
15:11:10 <koalie> ... some of us work from home
15:11:17 <koalie> W3C is made of Members
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15:11:27 <koalie> ... almost 400
15:11:35 <koalie> s/W3C is made/PLH: W3C is made/
15:11:46 <koalie> slide 6
15:11:55 <koalie> PLH: consensus is our core-value
15:12:02 <koalie> ... fairness
15:12:09 <koalie> ... responsiveness
15:13:04 <koalie> ... The W3C Process has a whole section on participations, appeal
15:13:23 <koalie> ... appeal is rarely engaged, but it did happen in the past
15:13:35 <koalie> ... The W3C Process is managed by the W3C Advisory Board
15:13:47 <koalie> ... the AB is currently making a revision of the Process
15:13:50 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/consensus
15:13:57 <koalie> slide 7: Consensus
15:14:11 <koalie> PLH: consensus means not getting all to agree
15:14:29 <koalie> ... a good way to reach it? ask if individuals can live with a decision
15:14:40 <koalie> ... if they can't, they're entitled to raise a formal objection
15:14:46 <Zakim> -Judy
15:14:53 <koalie> ... as a chair you're entitled to record the decision
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15:15:01 <koalie> ... where there is a formal objection
15:15:06 <koalie> ... and you can move on.
15:15:22 <koalie> ... FOs are considered by the Director
15:15:26 <Zakim> +Judy
15:15:40 <koalie> ... Chairs must report FOs during transitions, lest you're in violation with the W3C Process
15:15:47 <koalie> ... You need to provide a rationale
15:15:54 <koalie> ... and possibly a proposed resolution
15:16:10 <koalie> slide 8: Group Participants
15:16:27 <koalie> PLH: Member rep, invited expert, team rep
15:16:37 <koalie> ... each must represent at least one organization
15:16:52 <koalie> ... and is subject to the RF licensing requirements
15:17:04 <koalie> slide 9: Member representatives
15:17:08 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/9
15:17:20 <koalie> PLH: one per company
15:17:34 <koalie> ... authorized to represent the Member within a working group
15:17:49 <koalie> ... AC reps do not have to be employed by the company they represent
15:17:57 <koalie> ... this is a little-known fact.
15:18:07 <koalie> ... They are under the conflict of interest policy
15:18:23 <koalie> ... The Director MAY decline their participation.
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15:18:42 <koalie> ... And they're also subject ot the RF licensing requirements of their Member org.
15:18:55 <koalie> slide 10: Invited Experts
15:18:58 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/ie
15:19:19 <koalie> PLH: invited by the Chair because they have a particular expertise
15:19:29 <koalie> ... please talk with your team contact beforehand
15:20:06 <koalie> ... they represent an organization which isn't a Member; e.g. they're sometimes acting as liaisons
15:20:24 <koalie> ... we require they provide some information
15:20:29 <koalie> ... disclosures
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15:20:44 <koalie> slide 11: Team representatives
15:20:48 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/11
15:21:06 <koalie> PLH: they're W3C paid staff, or interns, or W3C Fellows
15:21:23 <koalie> ... under a dedicated team conflict of interest policy.
15:21:32 <koalie> ... they represent W3C withing their working group.
15:21:49 <koalie> slide 13: W3C Team Organization
15:21:53 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/13
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15:22:04 <koalie> PLH: look at the chart on the slide
15:22:14 <koalie> ... it gives an idea how we are organized
15:22:30 <Zakim> +schuki
15:22:37 <koalie> ... our technical work is concentrated within W3C domains
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15:23:06 <koalie> PLH: We have now 5 domains
15:23:17 <koalie> ... the newest one is Information and Knowledge (INK)
15:23:46 <koalie> ... You may have interactions with our Marketing and Communications team, and our Systems team
15:23:55 <koalie> slide 14: W3C Director
15:23:58 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/director
15:24:07 <koalie> PLH: Tim BL is Is the lead technical architect at W3C
15:24:19 <koalie> ... is part of the TAG (Technical Architecture Group)
15:24:31 <koalie> ... he makes architectural choices
15:24:39 <koalie> ... he approves new groups
15:24:43 <koalie> ... he appoints group chairs
15:24:54 <koalie> ... and resolves the appeal of a working group decision
15:25:06 <koalie> slide 15: W3C CEO
15:25:11 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/ceo
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15:25:22 <koalie> PLH: Jeff Jaffe leads the organization
15:25:37 <koalie> ... he's very open and I encourage you to talk to him as you need
15:25:52 <koalie> ... Ralph Swick is CEO of the W3C and helps with the operations as well
15:25:59 <Zakim> + +1.617.575.aacc
15:26:00 <koalie> ... You can talk to him too
15:26:05 <Ralph> s/CEO/COO/
15:26:10 <scottp> zakim, aacc is scottp
15:26:10 <Zakim> +scottp; got it
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15:26:21 <koalie> ... RRSAgent, the bot we use to record the scribings, is a tool Ralph wrote.
15:26:23 <Zakim> -Judy
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15:26:30 <koalie> slide 16: W3M
15:26:33 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/w3m
15:26:43 <koalie> PLH: w3m = W3C Management
15:27:13 <koalie> ... some of the director's authority is delegated to W3M, e.g. group charters review
15:27:17 <Zakim> +Judy
15:27:42 <koalie> ... W3M also approves chairs on behalf of the Director
15:27:57 <koalie> ... All feedback that comes from the Headlights excercises go through W3M
15:28:05 <koalie> slide 17: Domain Leads
15:28:08 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/17
15:28:21 <koalie> PLH: each W3C domain is lead by a Domain Lead
15:28:52 <koalie> ... we're here to assist you with your WG
15:29:05 <koalie> slide 18: Team Contacts
15:29:09 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/18
15:30:12 <koalie> PLH: TC are here to assist in your groups, they interface all W3C aspects and help the Chair. they represent the W3C and the Director.
15:30:23 <koalie> slide 19: MarComm Team
15:30:27 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/marcomm
15:30:47 <koalie> PLH: marcomm takes care of comm with the Membership
15:30:58 <koalie> ... the PR and social media, the W3C website
15:31:06 <koalie> ... also publication rules
15:31:14 <koalie> slide 20: W3C Domains
15:31:17 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/20
15:31:28 <koalie> slide 21: INK
15:31:29 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/inkgraph
15:31:42 <koalie> PLH: Linked Data, XML
15:31:55 <koalie> ... Digital Publishing (group created in 2013)
15:31:55 <Ralph> Data on the Web; more than Linked Data
15:32:06 <koalie> slide 22: Information and Knowledge
15:32:34 <koalie> slide 23: Interaction
15:32:37 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/iagraph
15:32:50 <koalie> PLH: core tech deployed on the client side, to some extent
15:32:57 <koalie> ... a lot of APIs too
15:33:00 <koalie> ... I18N
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15:34:24 <koalie> slide 25: T&S
15:34:33 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/iagraph
15:34:51 <koalie> PLH: Do Not Track, privacy, security, etc.
15:34:59 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/tns
15:35:13 <koalie> PLH: Maintenance of the Patent Policy too
15:35:21 <koalie> ... that domains hosts the PSIG
15:35:44 <koalie> ... pervasive monitoring is under that domain
15:35:53 <koalie> slide 27: Ubiquitous Web
15:35:56 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/ubigraph
15:36:08 <koalie> PLH: The Web from the device p.o.v
15:36:17 <koalie> ... car, TV, mobile
15:36:25 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/ubigraph
15:36:57 <koalie> PLH: Some APIs, extending some APIs, Speech also is done under that domain
15:37:13 <koalie> slide 29: Web Accessibility Initiative
15:37:17 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/waigraph
15:37:32 <koalie> PLH: WAI = Make the Web accessible to people with disabilities
15:37:37 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/wai
15:37:45 <koalie> PLH: They do specs, but also guidelines
15:37:51 <koalie> ... on authoring tools and content production
15:38:36 <koalie> slide 31: all of the work we do interacts in some fashion
15:38:36 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/relations
15:38:50 <koalie> PLH: this draft chart shows how the work we do interacts
15:38:57 <koalie> ... some specs are more central than others
15:39:15 <koalie> ... but coordination and making sure you're well coordinated with other group is a very important factor
15:39:28 <koalie> slide 32: Horizontal reviews
15:39:31 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/reviews
15:39:55 <koalie> PLH: this is getting the review from other domains
15:40:50 <koalie> ... we do not have a dedicated group yet for aspects on security and mobile.
15:41:30 <koalie> ... if you believe your work needs review, don't hesitate to contact them
15:41:40 <koalie> s/them/domains/
15:41:52 <koalie> slide 34: How do we make Web Standards?
15:41:57 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/34
15:42:04 <koalie> PLH: We get ideas through submissions, headlights, workshops, business groups, and community groups
15:42:31 <koalie> ... sometimes, we can't fit ideas within an existing group, so we'll create one
15:42:38 <koalie> ... Only W3C Working Groups produce W3C Recommendations
15:42:55 <koalie> ... RF patent commitment required when you join a W3C working group
15:43:06 <koalie> ... you must follow the W3C process.
15:43:19 <koalie> slide 35: From an idea to a Web standard
15:43:19 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/35
15:43:43 <koalie> [diagram]
15:44:24 <koalie> PLH: Members do help us a lot, as you see from the diagram
15:44:34 <koalie> ... you as chairs help us a lot with WG charters
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15:44:38 <Zakim> -lizadaly
15:44:44 <koalie> slide 36: Starting points
15:44:47 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/36
15:45:04 <koalie> PLH: new works comes from Submissions, Headlights, Community Groups, Business Groups and Workshops
15:45:12 <koalie> slide 37: Submissions
15:45:16 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/subm
15:45:28 <koalie> PLH: a Member submission is a Member benefit
15:45:43 <koalie> ... a W3C Member proposes a technology and we publish is on the W3C website
15:46:03 <koalie> ... it does not overlap with existing tech of a working group
15:46:10 <koalie> slide 38: Headlights
15:46:13 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/headlights
15:46:21 <koalie> PLH: Annual exercise
15:46:37 <koalie> ... proposals are public
15:46:53 <koalie> ... open to Team, Members, and also to the public
15:47:04 <koalie> ... W3M investigates and prioritizes proposals
15:47:17 <Ralph> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2013OctDec/0027.html "Get involved in Headlights 2014" [Ian Jacobs on behalf of Jeff Jaffe, 25-Oct-2013]
15:47:18 <koalie> ... approval takes place in July
15:47:27 <koalie> slide 39: Community Groups
15:47:30 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/cgs
15:47:47 <koalie> PLH: designed to promote innovation and foster new ideas
15:47:56 <koalie> ... low-barrier participation
15:48:09 <koalie> ... they may contribute to the rec track
15:48:20 <koalie> ... RF licensing obligations but only for direct contributions
15:48:26 <Zakim> -Ted
15:48:37 <koalie> ... the team monitors CGs to the best of its abilities
15:48:53 <koalie> ... some work has already transitioned to W3C Working Groups
15:49:02 <koalie> slide 40: Business Groups
15:49:08 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/40
15:49:24 <koalie> PLH: BGs are a W3C umbrella for INDUSTRY conversations for things that MAY have Web Technologies as part of the answer
15:49:31 <koalie> ... more staff involvement compared to CGs
15:49:41 <koalie> ... some fees
15:49:46 <koalie> ... rest is same as CGs
15:49:53 <koalie> slide 41: Workshops
15:49:56 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/workshops
15:50:06 <koalie> PLH: W3C public event to gather the industry to get as broad a view as possible on a topic
15:50:16 <koalie> ... depending on the results, next steps vary
15:50:24 <koalie> slide 42: Currently upcoming Workshops
15:50:27 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/42
15:50:57 <koalie> PLH: pervasive monitoring in Feb., geospatial data, web and tv, web payments, etc.
15:51:10 <koalie> -> http://www.w3.org/2003/08/Workshops/ W3C Workshops
15:51:25 <koalie> slide 43: 52 Working Groups
15:51:29 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/43
15:51:42 <koalie> PLH: each WG has one or more chairs
15:51:50 <koalie> ... the maximum has been three
15:52:00 <koalie> ... it's useful to have two; they can help each other.
15:52:07 <koalie> ... one or more team contacts
15:52:20 <koalie> ... we're spread these days, so you may have a portion of a team contact
15:52:40 <koalie> ... Tools: MLs, teleconferences, wikis, etc.
15:52:48 <koalie> ... A Working Group MUST follow the W3C Process.
15:52:53 <Ralph> [as of last November the median size of a W3C Working Group was 28 participants]
15:53:05 <koalie> slide 44: Group charter
15:53:09 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/charters
15:53:15 <Ralph> s/[as/[fun fact: as/
15:53:25 <koalie> PLH: Charter: Proposed to the Advisory Committee and approved by the W3C Director
15:53:38 <koalie> ... it has a scope, defines the nature of the deliverables
15:53:47 <koalie> ... this is very important wrt the Patent Policy
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15:53:54 <nigel> q+
15:54:27 <koalie> PLH: the Process is lax on how you reach a decision within your WG
15:54:44 <koalie> ... some charters may add extra requirements on decision making
15:54:57 <koalie> ... Really, it's a tool to drive the work. Use it. Use it well.
15:54:59 <koalie> ack nigel
15:55:01 <plh> partack Nigel
15:55:15 <koalie> Nigel_Meggitt: Scope of charter, how is it formulated?
15:55:36 <koalie> ... engineering approach - success oriented
15:55:56 <koalie> ... other approach is define a, b, and c and assess how you've performed on a, b and c
15:56:03 <koalie> ... I came in with first approach and got shouted at
15:56:11 <koalie> ... is there a W3C preferred approach?
15:56:16 <koalie> PLH: The answer is yes and no
15:56:29 <koalie> ... the Process tells you defin your scope, your deliverables
15:56:40 <koalie> ... often, you'll find a success criteria section
15:56:47 <koalie> ... or an "out of scope" section
15:57:02 <koalie> ... commonalities don't mean it can't be done differently.
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15:57:22 <koalie> Nigel: Thanks. That's helpful.
15:57:41 <koalie> PLH: btw, you don't have to wait the end of your charter to propose a new one
15:57:46 <koalie> ... e.g. if you lack a deliverable
15:57:53 <koalie> ... talk to your team contact.
15:58:23 <koalie> ... we don't want of course to overflow the AC with updates on charters every week, of course
15:58:29 <koalie> s/want of course/want/
15:58:35 <koalie> slide 45: W3C Recommendation Track
15:58:39 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/45
15:58:42 <koalie> [diagram]
15:59:08 <chaals> [Sorry folks, I need to go and chair a meeting]
15:59:34 <Zakim> -chaals
16:00:50 <koalie> PLH: during review period, any comment you get must be addressed
16:00:59 <koalie> ... in order for your group to move to the next transition
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16:01:12 <nigel> s/Nigel_Meggitt/Nigel_Megitt
16:01:23 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/tr.html#last-call
16:01:38 <Zakim> -drott
16:02:33 <Zakim> +drott
16:04:18 <koalie> slide 46: Patent Policy
16:04:27 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/patent_policy_intro
16:05:10 <koalie> -> http://www.w3.org/2003/12/22-pp-faq PP FAQ
16:05:26 <koalie> slide 47: PP diagram
16:05:27 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/patent_policy_rec_track
16:05:34 <koalie> [diagram]
16:05:51 <koalie> PLH: FPWD triggers exclusion period
16:05:58 <koalie> ... 150 days to exclude
16:06:10 <koalie> ... every new LC after that triggers a new CfE
16:06:14 <koalie> ... 60 days to exclude
16:06:32 <koalie> ... if there is a disclosure, there is a dedicated process
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16:06:47 <koalie> ... and we create a Patent Advisory Group (PAG); doesn't happen often
16:07:08 <koalie> ... Patent commitments are validated ONLY when the spec is a Recommendation
16:07:31 <koalie> ... There's a strong bond between a spec and a WG
16:07:46 <koalie> slide 48: W3C Patent Policy for Chairs
16:07:50 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/48
16:08:06 <koalie> PLH: IPP == Implementation of the Patent Policy
16:08:27 <koalie> ... through IPP you manage contributions from non-participants
16:08:54 <koalie> ... it is your role, as a chair, to identify and ask the contributor to make disclosure around the contribution
16:09:13 <koalie> ... again, exceptions are handled by Patent Advisory Groups (PAG)
16:09:27 <koalie> slide 40: AB and TAG
16:09:35 <koalie> slide 50: W3C Advisory Board
16:09:38 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/ab
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16:09:45 <koalie> s/40: AB/49: AB/
16:09:58 <koalie> PLH: elected individuals
16:10:09 <koalie> ... providing ongoing guidance to the Team on issues of strategy, management, legal matters, process, and conflict resolution
16:10:26 <koalie> ... The AB meet once a month
16:10:33 <koalie> ... They manage the evolution of the Process
16:10:40 <koalie> ... they're currently working on a new version
16:10:52 <koalie> ... of the Rec Track Process
16:11:03 <koalie> slide 51: *PROPOSED* Rec Track
16:11:07 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/51
16:11:29 <koalie> PLH: including no Proposed Recommendation transition
16:11:31 <Ralph> [removing named steps -- the substantive work remains]
16:11:39 <koalie> ... the goald is agility and smoother transitions
16:11:58 <shepazu> s/goald/goal/
16:11:59 <koalie> slide 52: W3C Technical Architecture Group
16:12:03 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/tag
16:12:09 <chaals> [Proposed Rec phase might return, too]
16:12:39 <koalie> PLH: the TAG tackle technical issues about Web architecture
16:12:59 <koalie> ... both co-chairs are very eager to help
16:13:08 <koalie> ... if you'd like to present current work on spec, do not hesitate
16:13:11 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ TAG home
16:13:20 <koalie> PLH: they will give you time during a TAG call
16:13:28 <koalie> ... they meet weekly.
16:13:38 <koalie> ... recently a new set of individuals were elected.
16:13:45 <koalie> ... last f2f a week or so ago.
16:13:52 <koalie> slide 53:
16:13:52 <koalie> Role of Team Contacts and Chairs
16:14:02 <koalie> slide 54: Team Contacts (1)
16:14:06 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/role_team_content
16:14:11 <Ralph> i|PLH: elected|-> http://www.w3.org/2002/ab/ AB home
16:15:06 <koalie> PLH: TCs participate and contribute in WGs, ensure coordination and communication, interface between chair, group Members, other WGs and the team
16:15:17 <koalie> ... they represent the W3C and the Director
16:15:37 <koalie> ... including in case of formal objections
16:15:48 <koalie> slide 55: Team Contacts (2)
16:15:51 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/55
16:16:07 <koalie> PLH: TCs help drive the group
16:16:21 <koalie> ... monitoring participation, publications, etc.
16:16:36 <koalie> ... they're here to assist you
16:16:51 <koalie> ... don't hesitate to rely on them whe you have difficulty
16:16:58 <koalie> ... I see them as co-chair
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16:17:10 <koalie> slide 56: Chairs
16:17:13 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/role_chair
16:17:15 <koalie> PLH: You!
16:17:21 <koalie> ... you are the leader of the WG
16:17:40 <koalie> ... you ensure progress, keep to timelines, develop charters
16:17:58 <koalie> ... if your charter is near the end, do talk to your team contact
16:18:13 <koalie> ... you coordinate with other W3C groups
16:18:23 <koalie> ... and of course, you maintain Group Process & Organization, including maintaining a positive work environment
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16:18:44 <koalie> -> http://www.w3.org/Guide/chair-roles.html Role of the Group Chair
16:18:53 <koalie> slide 57: W3C Director
16:18:56 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/approval
16:19:07 <koalie> PLH: in practice, the Director delegaates his authority
16:19:24 <koalie> ... the slide gives an overview of the delegation
16:19:30 <koalie> s/gaates/gates/
16:19:41 <Zakim> +Shadi
16:19:49 <shadi> zakim, mute me
16:19:49 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
16:19:54 <koalie> ... The Director may of course still step in
16:20:59 <koalie> slide 58: Have an issue?
16:21:02 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/58
16:21:09 <koalie> PLH: Get feedback from your team contact
16:21:24 <koalie> ... if you believe this isn't enough, go talk to the Domain Lead
16:21:43 <koalie> ... and if that is still no enough, please, contact the CEO and/or the Director
16:21:52 <koalie> ... we want issues properly resolved.
16:21:59 <koalie> slide 59: References
16:22:02 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/59
16:22:15 <koalie> PLH: links to several crucial resources
16:22:34 <koalie> ... the Process
16:22:39 <koalie> ... Patent Policy
16:22:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:22:46 <koalie> ... the Chair Guidebook
16:22:47 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
16:22:47 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
16:22:54 <koalie> [chaals returns]
16:23:10 <koalie> PHL: a page I find very helfpul: Working Groups and Activities
16:23:14 <koalie> s/fp/fp/
16:23:24 <koalie> s/fpul/pful/
16:23:36 <koalie> s/PHL/PLH?
16:23:45 <koalie> s/PLH?/PLH/
16:24:15 <koalie> slide 60: Feedback wanted
16:24:19 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/feedback
16:24:28 <koalie> PLH: This is the first training session
16:24:44 <koalie> ... program built after TPAC 2013 breakfast with chairs
16:24:52 <koalie> ... any feedback is helpful
16:24:58 <koalie> ... anything missing in a session?
16:25:10 <koalie> ... some parts more useful than others in this session? do tell me
16:25:45 <Zakim> -BHill
16:25:49 <koalie> slide 61: Next sessions
16:25:56 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/chairs-part4/#/61
16:26:03 <koalie> Topic: Open mic
16:26:09 <koalie> q?
16:26:23 <koalie> [PLH gives people time for questions and feedback]
16:26:38 <paulc> q+
16:26:40 <Zakim> -joshue
16:26:48 <koalie> ack paulc
16:26:48 <chaals> [I'm open to talking about what to expect from new process, if people are interested in more on that...]
16:27:13 <koalie> Paul_Cotton: When I'm speaking publicly, I'm asked how does someone become a chair at W3C
16:27:44 <koalie> ... How do  you become an editor, is another I get.
16:28:07 <koalie> PLH: the staff is going to recommend individuals to the Director
16:28:12 <koalie> ... there is no clear process
16:28:20 <koalie> ... we pick motivated individuals
16:28:38 <jeff> q+
16:28:39 <koalie> ... another factor is driving the group
16:28:44 <koalie> ... and time commitment
16:28:55 <koalie> ... and editors are picked within WGs
16:29:00 <koalie> ... chairs nominate editors
16:29:11 <koalie> ... they look for time commitment and proficiency
16:29:13 <plh> ack Jeff
16:29:13 <koalie> ack jeff
16:29:15 <Ralph> [I believe a good Chair needs to be commited to a successful consensus but not to a specific design]
16:29:32 <koalie> Jeff: Thanks for a terrific job in this module, Philippe
16:29:35 <chaals> [+1 to Ralph's sense of what a chair should be committed to]
16:29:37 <koalie> ... A few additional thoughts
16:29:44 <koalie> ... It's hard to find good chairs and good editors
16:30:01 <koalie> ... generally speaking, people who want to do more work are valued member of the community
16:30:12 <koalie> ... we don't get enough of people who want to become chair or editor
16:30:22 <koalie> ... our work would evolve more rapidly if we did
16:30:31 <koalie> ... please send them them me, when you get the question
16:30:59 <koalie> ... I'll add that we've given an opportunity to people to demonstrate skill at chairing and editing within community groups
16:31:50 <koalie> ... so, demonstrating competence in smaller assignment is a way, too.
16:31:57 <koalie> s/nment/nments/
16:32:12 <koalie> PLH: We're eager to get feedback on existing chair, and getting new chairs.
16:32:12 <chaals> q+ to ask about chair monitoring...
16:32:12 <plh> q?
16:32:16 <koalie> ack ch
16:32:16 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to ask about chair monitoring...
16:32:34 <koalie> chaals: Do we want a process or should we have one on getting specific feedback on chairs?
16:32:50 <koalie> ... is it helpful for you and for chairs?
16:33:02 <koalie> ... or do we think that would lead to more whinging
16:33:36 <koalie> PLH: As of today, in terms of process, what we have is go to talk your {team contact, domain lead, etc.}
16:33:41 <koalie> ... there is nothing more formalized.
16:33:57 <koalie> chaals: but would it be useful?
16:34:03 <koalie> ... I'm asking the chairs rather than the team
16:34:05 <gmandyam> q+
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16:34:14 <koalie> ack gm
16:34:15 <plh> ack g
16:34:23 <koalie> Giri_Mandyam: Great presentation
16:34:36 <koalie> ... going back to when you talked about consensus building
16:34:45 <koalie> ... did you mention balancing?
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16:34:58 <koalie> ... it might be a good addition
16:35:05 <koalie> PLH: I omitted it on purpose
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16:35:25 <koalie> ... as far as I know most groups do not use formal vote anymore
16:35:32 <koalie> ... then years ago, it was very commom.
16:35:42 <chaals> [+1 to groups considering that a resort to formal votes is something they should try to avoid…]
16:35:43 <koalie> ... but this is a mechanism that is available in the process.
16:35:44 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log public
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16:36:08 <koalie> ... Depending on how exposed your WG is, it may make your job easier
16:36:39 <plh> q?
16:36:39 <paulc> q+
16:36:43 <plh> ack paul
16:36:50 <koalie> ... I chose to mention instead that chair can record a decision and a formal objection and move on
16:36:53 <koalie> ack paul
16:37:21 <koalie> Paul: in my 15 years of chairing, I reply that votes are for administrative matters
16:37:37 <koalie> ... I agree with Philippe.
16:37:42 <koalie> ... We do straw polls
16:37:48 <koalie> ... who can live with a decision
16:38:04 <plh> q?
16:38:06 <paulc> q-
16:38:08 <koalie> ... but I have never used votes to make a decision in my years of chairing, except when and where are we going to meet next.
16:38:13 <jeff> [We also vote for the TAG and AB]
16:38:19 <jeff> Thanks, PLH.
16:38:25 <drott> Thank you plh!
16:38:25 <koalie> PLH: thanks everyone for attending
16:38:33 <koalie> ... further feedback welcome, contact me
16:38:44 <drott> Merci!
16:38:45 <chaals> Thanks PLH!
16:38:46 <Zakim> -AWK
16:38:46 <Sharron> thanks, very informative
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16:38:48 <koalie> ... I wish you the best in your chair endeavours
16:38:49 <Zakim> -scottp
16:38:51 <Zakim> -Shawn
16:38:51 <Zakim> -Jan
16:38:52 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:38:53 <Zakim> -drott
16:38:54 <Zakim> -wseltzer
16:38:54 <Zakim> -schuki
16:38:55 <koalie> Zakim, list attendees
16:38:55 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been PLH, Doug_Schepers, +1.617.453.aaaa, Judy, lizadaly, Jim_Allan, paulc, wseltzer, chaals, koalie, BHill, Kenny, joshue, Shawn,
16:38:56 <kenny> thanks plh
16:38:57 <Vagner_W3Cbr> thanks PLH.
16:38:59 <Zakim> ... +358.986.aabb, Ted, Jeff, drott, gmandyam, nigel, AWK, Jeanne, Debbie_Dahl, Andy_Coleman, wuwei, Sharron, Caroline, Jan, schuki, +1.617.575.aacc, scottp, Shadi, [IPcaller]
16:38:59 <Zakim> -gmandyam
16:39:00 <Zakim> -Sharron
16:39:00 <Zakim> -Jeanne
16:39:00 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
16:39:00 <Zakim> -Andy_Coleman
16:39:01 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
16:39:03 <Zakim> -Kenny
16:39:04 <paulc> THANK YOU, Philippe for a great session.
16:39:06 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
16:39:07 <Zakim> -wuwei
16:39:07 <Zakim> -Judy
16:39:10 <koalie> ack me
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16:39:37 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
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16:41:41 <koalie> meeting: Chair Training, episode 1: W3C, Process, and the W3C Team
16:41:44 <Zakim> Team_ChTr()10:00AM has ended
16:41:45 <Zakim> Attendees were PLH, Doug_Schepers, +1.617.453.aaaa, Judy, lizadaly, Jim_Allan, paulc, wseltzer, chaals, koalie, BHill, Kenny, joshue, Shawn, +358.986.aabb, Ted, Jeff, drott,
16:41:45 <Zakim> ... gmandyam, nigel, AWK, Jeanne, Debbie_Dahl, Andy_Coleman, wuwei, Sharron, Caroline, Jan, schuki, +1.617.575.aacc, scottp, Shadi, [IPcaller]
16:41:51 <koalie> chair: Philippe
16:41:59 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
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16:53:19 <koalie> Zakim, bye
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17:04:55 <koalie> plh, I'm going to edit the minutes
17:04:59 <koalie> RRSAgent, bye
17:04:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items