IRC log of html-a11y on 2014-01-20

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 2119
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 20 January 2014
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Meeting: Canvas Accessibility Sub-Group Teleconference
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scribe: Mark Sadecki
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scribeNick: MarkS
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agenda+ Review, verify and close all open bugs for L1
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zakim, agenda?
22:53:14 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
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7. Heartbeat Publications Prep [from See Below via janina]
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8. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from see below via janina]
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9. Other Business [from janina]
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10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
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11. be done [from janina]
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12. Review, verify and close all open bugs for L1 [from MarkS]
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
22:53:22 [MarkS]
agenda+ Review, verify and close all open bugs for L1
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agenda+ Testing
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agenda+ Next Meeting
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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apparently WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended, MarkS
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, hober, davidb, MarkS, janina, cabanier_, Zakim, trackbot
22:55:25 [MarkS]
zakim, this is WAI_HTML
22:55:26 [Zakim]
ok, MarkS; that matches WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM
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zakim, who is on the phone
22:55:40 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', MarkS
22:55:56 [MarkS]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see +1.617.319.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is me
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+MarkS; got it
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+Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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+[Microsoft]
23:06:50 [MarkS]
https://rawgithub.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/master/2dcontext/drawing-paths-to-the-canvas/canvas_focus_drawFocusIfNeeded_AAPI_001-manual.html
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-> http://j.mp/1hGWiDK Canvas 2d accessibility related CR bugs
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/html5_canvas_CR/#dom-context-2d-drawfocusifneeded
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-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23978 23978 Informing the user shouldn't be optional
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JMann: notice that we are still using the word "ring" a lot.
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RS: We could use the word outline instead?
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JMann: I like outline. Don't want to confuse the user by referencing ring (the old method name)
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MS: I'll open a new bug on outline
23:12:56 [MarkS]
RS: I don't see anything about this being optional, so that is good.
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...want to check on the scrolling part of this
23:13:39 [JatinderMann]
If the focus region is not on the screen, then scroll the region into view when it receives focus.
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JMann: the last sentence of section 3
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RS: do we want it to be similar to scrollPathIntoView?
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...take a look at the L2 text
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/master/
23:15:57 [richardschwerdtfeger]
Scroll notional child into view with the align to top flag set.
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vertical-align:text-top;
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 1. "Review, verify and close all open bugs for L1" taken up [from MarkS]
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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agenda+ 23978
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zakim, agenda?
23:18:54 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Review, verify and close all open bugs for L1 [from MarkS]
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2. Testing [from MarkS]
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3. Next Meeting [from MarkS]
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4. 23978 [from MarkS]
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zakim, take up item 4
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agendum 4. "23978" taken up [from MarkS]
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JMann: scroll the region into view by aligning it to the top
23:19:19 [JatinderMann]
If the focus region is not on the screen, then scroll the region into view by aligning it to the top when it receives focus.
23:20:32 [MarkS]
agenda+ 23980
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agenda+ 23981
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agenda+ 23982
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agenda+ 23983
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agenda+ 23986
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agenda+ 23987
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zakim, agenda?
23:20:33 [Zakim]
I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Review, verify and close all open bugs for L1 [from MarkS]
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2. Testing [from MarkS]
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3. Next Meeting [from MarkS]
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4. 23978 [from MarkS]
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5. 23980 [from MarkS]
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6. 23981 [from MarkS]
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7. 23982 [from MarkS]
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8. 23983 [from MarkS]
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9. 23986 [from MarkS]
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10. 23987 [from MarkS]
23:21:20 [JatinderMann]
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23983
23:21:30 [MarkS]
zakim, agenda order 5,6,7,8,9,10,2,3
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ok, MarkS
23:22:15 [JatinderMann]
If the focus outline is not on the screen, then scroll the focus outline into view by aligning it to the top when it receives focus.
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JMann: I'll add a comment to 23978 regarding this note
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JMann: I will close this but
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "23980" taken up [from MarkS]
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23980
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http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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JMann, this one has been fixed, so I will leave a comment and close it out.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "23981" taken up [from MarkS]
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23981
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JMann: We agreed to WONTFIX this one
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...PLH agreed nothing needed to be done
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RS: so lets close this one
23:29:08 [JatinderMann]
http://www.w3.org/2014/01/13-html-a11y-minutes.html
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 7. "23982" taken up [from MarkS]
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23982
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Focus Ring out of canvas
23:29:56 [JatinderMann]
The focus ring should not be subject to the shadow effects, the global alpha, or the global composition operators, but should be subject to the clipping region. (The effect of transformations is described above and varies based on which path is being used.) When the focus area is clipped by the canvas element, only the visual representation of the focus area is clipped to the clipping region. The full location of the corresponding fallback el[CUT]
23:30:04 [JatinderMann]
When the focus area is clipped by the canvas element, only the visual representation of the focus area is clipped to the clipping region. The full location of the corresponding fallback element is passed to the accessibility API.
23:30:35 [MarkS]
JMann: if we change this to focus outline, will that close this one?
23:32:53 [MarkS]
-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24340 Change reference to the phrases "focus ring" and "focus region" to "focus outline"
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JMann: transformations will affect focus outlines. If I draw one rectangular path doing an hour hand, my focus path will continue rotate. Maybe we call it out, maybe not...
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...I think this needs more work
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RS: agreed
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JMann: Should be a MUST, not a SHOULD requirment
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RS: informing the user could mean calling the AAPI
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JMann: lets keep the change out of the note so its normative
23:38:55 [richardschwerdtfeger]
When informing the user of the of the fallback element involves passing the location to a platform accessibility api the location is not subject to clipping.
23:39:45 [MarkS]
JMann: i think i agree. We can move the sentence from 3 and put it in 4
23:40:32 [MarkS]
...we want to say inform the user and that the location is not subject to clipping
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...I'll work with Jay to clean this one up a bit
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...keep the first sentence in step 3 and the second sentence in step 4
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...we'll figure something about the bracket section too
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 8. "23983" taken up [from MarkS]
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23983
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Scrolling the focus into view
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JMann: I'll mark this one as assigned. I updated this one with the feedback. Still working on it. Just need to add new text
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zakim, next item
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agendum 9. "23986" taken up [from MarkS]
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23986
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Current default path
23:44:43 [JatinderMann]
If the current path has zero subpaths, then abort these steps.
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JMann: the first sentence.
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RS: this one is fixed
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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...we can close this one
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JMann: OK, I closed it and left a comment
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zakim, next item
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agendum 10. "23987" taken up [from MarkS]
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23987
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Empty path and drawSystemFocusRing
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JMann: this one is tied to 23986. This one can also be closed.
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...left a comment and closed.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Testing" taken up [from MarkS]
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JMann: after we make these two more spec changes, I'll circulate to the list.
23:48:26 [MarkS]
...would like to get confirmation from dominic and apple that they are happy with the new changes
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RS: one thing we can do for testing with the clipping one, take the test I have checkboxes and make the canvas really small.
23:50:37 [MarkS]
MS: I'll write out all the testable statements so we at least know what needs to be tested.
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 3. "Next Meeting" taken up [from MarkS]
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-[Microsoft]
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-MarkS
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-Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.617.319.aaaa, MarkS, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, [Microsoft]
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RS: lets stay in touch to see what comes out of the TF meeting and any emails circulated to implementers to see if we need to have a meeting next week.
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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