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16:59:48 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
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16:59:59 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:59:59 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I don't know what conference this is
17:00:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddahl, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC
17:00:06 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
17:00:31 <janina> zakim, this will be 2642
17:00:31 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start now
17:00:42 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:00:42 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has not yet started, janina
17:00:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddahl, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC
17:01:06 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF()
17:01:06 <Zakim> ok, janina, I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM already started
17:01:14 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:01:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, +1.804.986.aaaa, +1.614.777.aabb, John_Foliot, ??P5, +1.780.934.aacc, [IPcaller]
17:01:17 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    Set scribe
17:01:27 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    Introductions
17:01:28 <Zakim> + +44.203.618.aadd
17:01:45 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    Introduction to IRC
17:01:56 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    List members and invited members
17:02:28 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    Discussion list, Task force list
17:02:37 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    The Wiki
17:02:46 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    Request to review UAAG 2.0
17:02:53 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    Defining challenges and making user scenarios
17:03:00 <michel_> michel_ has joined #coga
17:03:04 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+    Actions
17:03:12 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, +1.804.986.aaaa, +1.614.777.aabb, John_Foliot, ??P5, +1.780.934.aacc, [IPcaller], +44.203.618.aadd
17:04:00 <Zakim> + +1.617.959.aaee
17:04:02 <Zakim> +??P9
17:04:11 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P0 is Janina_Sajka
17:04:11 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
17:04:25 <MichaelC> zakim, Ipcaller is Debbie_Dahl
17:04:25 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl; got it
17:04:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:04:57 <MichaelC> zakim, Janina is Lisa_Seeman
17:04:57 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P5 is Janina_Sajka
17:04:57 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
17:04:58 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
17:05:04 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Karl_Groves
17:05:04 <Zakim> +Karl_Groves; got it
17:05:16 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Debora_Ruh
17:05:16 <Zakim> +Debora_Ruh; got it
17:05:23 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:05:23 <MichaelC> zakim, aabb is Steve_Jacobs
17:05:25 <Zakim> +Steve_Jacobs; got it
17:05:31 <MichaelC> zakim, aacc is Kinshuk
17:05:31 <Zakim> +Kinshuk; got it
17:05:49 <MichaelC> zakim, aadd Neil_Milliken
17:05:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aadd Neil_Milliken', MichaelC
17:05:54 <MichaelC> zakim, aadd is Neil_Milliken
17:05:54 <Zakim> +Neil_Milliken; got it
17:05:58 <karlgroves> karlgroves has joined #coga
17:06:00 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:06:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, Debora_Ruh, Steve_Jacobs, John_Foliot, Janina_Sajka, Kinshuk, Debbie_Dahl, Neil_Milliken, Michael_Cooper, +1.617.959.aaee, Karl_Groves,
17:06:03 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:06:10 <michel_> michel_ has left #coga
17:06:20 <MichaelC> zakim, aaee is Michel_Fitos
17:06:20 <Zakim> +Michel_Fitos; got it
17:06:38 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
17:06:38 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
17:07:02 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute me
17:07:02 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
17:07:10 <Zakim> + +1.404.558.aaff
17:07:25 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:07:28 <MichaelC> zakim, aaff is Katherine_Mancuso
17:07:28 <Zakim> +Katherine_Mancuso; got it
17:07:46 <michel_> michel_ has joined #coga
17:07:58 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
17:07:58 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
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17:08:50 <Ryladog> ScribeNick: Ryladog
17:08:57 <MichaelC> scribeNick: Ryladog
17:09:09 <MichaelC> ack me
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17:09:24 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
17:09:24 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
17:09:27 <Ryladog> Meeting: Cognitive A11y Task Forc
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17:09:46 <karlgroves> zakim, mute me
17:09:46 <Zakim> Karl_Groves should now be muted
17:09:50 <Ryladog> Scribe: Katie Haritos-Shea
17:10:04 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:10:04 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Set scribe" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:10:51 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:10:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Ryladog
17:11:13 <Ryladog> zakim, agendum 2
17:11:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agendum 2', Ryladog
17:11:46 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
17:11:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-coga-minutes.html Ryladog
17:12:02 <Ryladog> LS: Provided Intro
17:12:10 <MichaelC> ack me
17:12:21 <Ryladog> JS: Leader and Chair of PF
17:12:44 <Ryladog> MC: I am the staff contact for PFand WCAG and therefore for the CognTask Force
17:13:00 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:13:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Introductions" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
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17:13:32 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
17:13:32 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
17:13:34 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:13:46 <Ryladog> MC: I am here to help with questions
17:14:28 <Ryladog> Debra Ruh: in A11y many years. I have a daughter with downs syndrome. New to W3C.
17:15:08 <Ryladog> LS:Many are new, We need you experience, do not worry about W3C process
17:16:20 <Ryladog> John Foliot: Working for A11Y 13 years, work for JP Morgan Chase. Do not have alot of expereince with Cognitive. Do have alot of experince in W3C
17:17:30 <Ryladog> Steve Jacobs: I live in Columbus Ohio. Work withIdealGroup and apps for android - as developers. Have worked with A11Y many years. First W3C group
17:19:32 <Ryladog> ??: Professor in Canada. Interested in eLearning strategies.
17:19:59 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
17:20:19 <Ryladog> Debbie Dahl: Chair of Multi-modal working group. Have been in W3C many years. In speach technologies and have experince in Ephasia
17:20:45 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
17:20:58 <Ryladog> Neil:  Have workedin AT for 13 years now for dyslexia. This is my passion
17:21:05 <ddahl> s/Ephasia/aphasia
17:21:08 <MichaelC> ack me
17:21:10 <Michel__> getting there!  unmuting
17:21:19 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
17:21:19 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
17:21:43 <ddahl> s/speach/speech
17:22:00 <Ryladog> Michel: I have a background in technologies. I work with folks with ADHD.
17:22:23 <karlgroves> zakim, unmute me
17:22:23 <Zakim> Karl_Groves should no longer be muted
17:23:11 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
17:23:43 <karlgroves> zakim, mute me
17:23:43 <Zakim> Karl_Groves should now be muted
17:23:49 <Ryladog> Karl Groves: Workfor Paciello group, in A11Y many years 2003. some W3C working groups. Particular interested incognitive accessibility onthe web. I have a daughter who is dyslexic and I have ADHA
17:24:15 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
17:25:13 <Ryladog> KHS: Been around awhile
17:26:17 <Ryladog> Katherine: Do teechology coaching. I work for women, have ADHD. Background in educational accessibility
17:28:25 <Ryladog> RS: Cheif Technology Officer for IBM software. A11Y since 1999. Run ARIA effort, work in HTML 5. Work extenally for companies on MathML for folks with cognitive. And lead NIDDR research project for cognitive users.
17:28:58 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:28:58 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Introduction to IRC" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
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17:30:45 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
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17:31:17 <Ryladog> Attendees: Rich Schwerdtfeger, Janina Sajka, Katie Haritos-Shea, Micheal Cooper, Debbie Dahl, Michel, Karl Groves, Katherine Mancuso, Lisa Seeman, Neil Milliken, Dr. Kinshuk, Debra Ruh
17:31:39 <Ryladog> JS: We rely alot at W3C on IRC
17:32:06 <Ryladog> JS: Lisa has stated that this is the basis of our minutes
17:32:35 <Ryladog> s/ADHA/ADHD
17:33:27 <Ryladog> s/??/Dr. Kinshuk/
17:33:46 <Ryladog> JS: We all take turns
17:34:46 <Ryladog> LS: Be careful whatever you type in may end up in the minutes. It is very useful also for links
17:35:38 <Zakim> -Kinshuk
17:35:59 <Ryladog> LS: For newbies - quiet for a while is fine - we want you all here for your expertise. Please speak up
17:36:08 <Zakim> +Kinshuk
17:37:04 <janina> q?
17:37:08 <Ryladog> KM: If you add /me you text will not show up in the minutes
17:37:09 <janina> ack k
17:37:51 <Ryladog> JS: We have folks who are formally on thelist and those who are pending.
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17:38:11 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=67703&public=1
17:38:45 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:39:07 <Ryladog> Attendee: Barry Johnson
17:39:42 <Ryladog> LS: We have actually two lists
17:39:43 <janina> agenda?
17:39:48 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:39:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "List members and invited members" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:40:01 <janina> zakim, close agendum 3
17:40:01 <Zakim> agendum 3, Introduction to IRC, closed
17:40:02 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:40:02 <Zakim> 4. List members and invited members [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:40:09 <janina> zakim, close item 4
17:40:09 <Zakim> agendum 4, List members and invited members, closed
17:40:10 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:40:10 <Zakim> 5. Discussion list, Task force list [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:40:13 <janina> zakim, next item
17:40:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Discussion list, Task force list" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:40:14 <Ryladog> LS: We seem to be full at this time
17:40:24 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/
17:40:37 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/work-statement
17:40:41 <janina> agenda?
17:40:48 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:40:48 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, Ryladog
17:40:56 <janina> zakim, close this item
17:40:56 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
17:40:57 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:40:57 <Zakim> 6. The Wiki [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:40:59 <janina> zakim, next item
17:40:59 <Zakim> agendum 6. "The Wiki" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:41:15 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
17:41:52 <Ryladog> JS: This Wiki is very important, this is where I would like us to use this
17:41:54 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis
17:42:51 <Ryladog> JS: Our first task is a Gap Analysis. The wikiis like our white board. As soon as you are officially on the list, you will have access to edit the wiki. There is a HELP page onthe lefy handpanel of the Wiki
17:43:19 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:43:35 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:43:35 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Request to review UAAG 2.0" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:43:53 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Jan/0003.html
17:44:47 <Ryladog> LS: We have had a task request forus to review this impending User Agent document from the Cognitive point of view. The UAAG WG would like our help
17:45:08 <Ryladog> LS: We can make comments
17:45:31 <Ryladog> s/wikii/wiki/
17:45:52 <Ryladog> JS: Comments are due by the end of next week
17:46:12 <Ryladog> s/lefy/left/
17:47:36 <Ryladog> JS: Specifications take a long time to come ou on the W3C. This spec has been in the works for almost 10 years. These are Last Call comments. Then W3C will ask for implementations. See RFC 2119
17:49:00 <Ryladog> JS: There is a requirement that each required feature must be implemented in at least two browsers. After this it becomes a Techical Specification. It is late inthe process, but we can still contribute. It is a good starting activity
17:49:38 <Ryladog> LS: Our main work will be our main deliverables - but this is also important - but hopefully not too often
17:49:56 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis
17:50:03 <janina> agenda?
17:50:06 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:50:06 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Defining challenges and making user scenarios" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:50:26 <Ryladog> LS: Lets talk about the Gap Analysis
17:51:50 <Ryladog> LS: The Gap Analysis is a crucial piece of work for us. It will define the problemto help us come up with suggestions for the solutions
17:52:30 <Ryladog> LS: Here is the problemand here is the link. Based on facts, not opinions. There are 8 user groups.
17:52:52 <Ryladog> s/problemand/problem and/
17:53:48 <Zakim> -Katherine_Mancuso
17:53:49 <Ryladog> LS: It is important to do a good job. I am a big fan of putting initial work out there to get comments for improvements
17:54:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:54:08 <Ryladog> Call is fine for me
17:54:19 <Zakim> +Katherine_Mancuso
17:54:43 <Lisa_Seeman> q-
17:54:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:55:57 <Ryladog> RS: Looking at the Gap Analysis, typically Gaps would need to be gaps. There seems a lot here. This is just an observation
17:56:26 <Ryladog> LS: Go to the Table of Contents
17:56:26 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis
17:57:08 <Ryladog> RS: So we are gathering requirements here, is that fair?
17:57:46 <Ryladog> LS: Part of the Research is what technologies and tools are now available.
17:58:19 <Ryladog> LS: It is a pace for putting everything. I want it all online and in one place
17:58:56 <Ryladog> RS: We should also have a high level plan roadmap that refers to the Gap Analysis
18:00:11 <Ryladog> RS: With Cognitive - the web is not personalized today. That is important for industry to understand. Each individual user has a collection of needs, and some of them are consistant across many cognitive users
18:00:36 <Zakim> -Michel_Fitos
18:00:52 <Ryladog> LS: Yes, this makes ssnse - we thought we needed a Gap Analysis first to them build a proper Road Map
18:02:20 <Ryladog> LS: The items in the Table of Contents might not belong there - but we didnt want to leave it out. We are not sure what the solution is going to be. It might be tagging.
18:02:30 <Ryladog> LS: We have run out of time
18:03:17 <Ryladog> LS: Please have alook at the Gap Analysis and the Talbe of Content to start building a RoadMap
18:03:46 <Ryladog> RS: Are you adverse to use having a RoadMap seperate page?
18:03:57 <Ryladog> LS: No that would be fine.
18:05:13 <Ryladog> RS: I think we need to simplify our goals and the problem statement, as the Introductory part of the RoadMap. This is a peice that we can get in front fo people. I want the WCAG peeople thinking about personalization at a deeper level. Just to get things moving
18:05:55 <Ryladog> RS: Alot of the NIDDR work was stuck in researcg papers where folks had to pay $70 bucks just to look at it
18:07:28 <Ryladog> SJ: We have a powerful knowledge mining kit at work. I cannot share publically, but individuals who would like to I might be able to get access. Contact me privately
18:08:04 <Ryladog> LS: We do want to put up all our work in the public domain. See you next week.
18:08:27 <karlgroves> +1 on Rich's Proposal
18:08:37 <Ryladog> LS: Is this fine foreveryone that we start a Roadmap.
18:08:37 <NeilMilliken> happy with that
18:08:44 <Ryladog> KHS: Do it Rich!
18:08:47 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
18:08:48 <Zakim> -Debora_Ruh
18:09:15 <Ryladog> RS: OK I will work with people on it startingnext week
18:09:57 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
18:09:59 <Zakim> -Steve_Jacobs
18:10:01 <Zakim> -Karl_Groves
18:10:01 <Zakim> -Neil_Milliken
18:10:02 <Ryladog> ACTION: Lisa, Start a Roadmap document. Rich and John F to start and edit it
18:10:03 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
18:10:08 <ddahl> ddahl has left #coga
18:10:10 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:10:13 <Zakim> -Katherine_Mancuso
18:10:19 <Zakim> -Kinshuk
18:10:36 <Ryladog> s/startingnext/starting next/
18:10:58 <Ryladog> zakim, bye
18:10:58 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.804.986.aaaa, +1.614.777.aabb, John_Foliot, +1.780.934.aacc, +44.203.618.aadd, +1.617.959.aaee, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka,
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18:11:01 <Zakim> ... Debbie_Dahl, Lisa_Seeman, Karl_Groves, Debora_Ruh, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Steve_Jacobs, Kinshuk, Neil_Milliken, Michel_Fitos, +1.404.558.aaff, Katherine_Mancuso,
18:11:02 <Zakim> ... Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:11:37 <Ryladog> s/Debora/Debra/
18:13:13 <Ryladog> Regrets: MaryJo Mueller, Tim Boland
18:13:41 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
18:13:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-coga-minutes.html Ryladog
18:14:34 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make log public
18:14:53 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
18:14:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-coga-minutes.html Ryladog
18:29:19 <Lisa_Seeman> sorry -dropped off
18:30:09 <janina> No problem, Lisa!
18:30:40 <janina> Just suggesting to remember to call on W3C experienced participants for scribing for awhile
18:33:01 <Lisa_Seeman> yup
18:33:04 <Lisa_Seeman> will do
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