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14:38:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:38:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:38:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:38:02 <trackbot> Date: 17 January 2014
14:40:08 <KimPatch> zakim, this will be 6283
14:40:08 <Zakim> ok, KimPatch; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
14:41:18 <KimPatch>  rrsagent, make log world
14:41:32 <KimPatch> chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin
14:41:42 <KimPatch> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2013Dec/0002.html
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14:44:19 <KimPatch> regrets+ Detlev
14:49:01 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
14:49:08 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
14:50:59 <Alan_> Alan_ has joined #mobile-a11y
14:51:48 <Alan_> Will need to drop around 10:30 or 10:45 as I am presenting Windows 8 touch functionality to my company
14:55:44 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
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14:56:21 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140113_survey/results
14:57:32 <Zakim> + +1.720.663.aaaa
14:58:10 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
14:58:22 <DavidTodd> Zakim, aaaa is me
14:58:22 <Zakim> +DavidTodd; got it
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14:59:15 <Zakim> + +1.910.278.aabb
14:59:55 <Kathleen> zakim, aabb is me
14:59:55 <Zakim> +Kathleen; got it
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15:00:30 <Zakim> +??P0
15:00:40 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P0 is Michael_Cooper
15:00:40 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
15:00:59 <MichaelC> zakim, aacc is Karen_McGrane
15:00:59 <Zakim> +Karen_McGrane; got it
15:01:24 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, DavidTodd, Alan_Smith, Kathleen, Karen_McGrane, Michael_Cooper
15:01:38 <Zakim> +Jeanne
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15:02:07 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
15:02:07 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
15:02:42 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute me
15:02:42 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
15:02:54 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
15:02:54 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
15:04:03 <DavidTodd> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:04:03 <Zakim> sorry, DavidTodd, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:04:07 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140113_survey/results
15:04:15 <KimPatch>  scribe: DavidTodd
15:04:17 <jeanne> agenda?
15:05:03 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Review last week topics.
15:05:07 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/MATF_Deliverables
15:05:25 <KimPatch> TOPIC: MATF Deliverables discussion starting with survey
15:06:02 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Do we agree with list of deliverables?
15:06:34 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
15:06:57 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
15:07:03 <DavidTodd> Kathy: We should include native app techniques.
15:07:36 <jeanne> WCAG2ICT <- http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/
15:07:39 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Add itc documents to number 1.
15:08:01 <DavidTodd> Kathy: is mobile referenced in itc doc?
15:08:56 <jeanne> action: jeanne to research wcag2ict to find the sections related to mobile.
15:08:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Research wcag2ict to find the sections related to mobile. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-01-24].
15:09:07 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Why was mobile not called out in itc doc?
15:09:42 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: We can't add mobile to itc doc but we can add a note.
15:10:03 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Make it clear that we plan to write new techniques.
15:11:15 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Clean up the personaes.
15:12:18 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Blog will document settlement agreements and other legals issues. Should we add a link to it?
15:13:11 <DavidTodd> Group: We agree a link to settlement agreements should be added.
15:13:23 <Kathy> action: Kathy to add settlement agreement link to accessibility resources
15:13:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Add settlement agreement link to accessibility resources [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2014-01-24].
15:15:05 <DavidTodd> Kim: Regarding personas, we should create a survey to develop.
15:15:44 <DavidTodd> Group: will move forward with creating a survey.
15:16:09 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Second item - develop personas.
15:17:00 <DavidTodd> Kathy: review existing and develop new personas.
15:17:26 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Create a matrix tools people are using on mobile.
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15:18:05 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Include what people use the technologies for.
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15:19:09 <jeanne> s/Jeanne: /Kim:
15:19:19 <DavidTodd> Kim: Create use cases for tools.
15:19:34 <Zakim> +EricP
15:19:55 <wuwei> zakim, EricP is wuwei
15:19:55 <Zakim> +wuwei; got it
15:20:01 <wuwei> zakim, mute me
15:20:01 <Zakim> wuwei should now be muted
15:20:58 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Survey cannot be statistically valid.
15:21:35 <Alan_> They switched me to the first presenter. Need to drop now. Sorry.
15:21:44 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Look at existing survey tools.
15:22:14 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
15:22:17 <DavidTodd> Kathy: We should look at existing surveys but develop our own.
15:22:45 <jeanne> Jeanne: Another challenge with personas are the people with multiple disabilities
15:23:22 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Personas (how many should we develop?)
15:23:41 <DavidTodd> Karen: More isn't necessarily better.
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15:24:08 <DavidTodd> Karen: Common behaviors is important to capture.
15:24:30 <DavidTodd> Karen: Probably over 12 personas is too many.
15:25:37 <jeanne> +1 to <12 personas and focus on similarities
15:25:41 <DavidTodd> Kim: Lots of people with different needs.
15:26:29 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Keep personas to a manageable number.
15:27:02 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Jeanne, how do you develop personas?
15:28:26 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Interviews (12 or more) then put out a survey. Capture full scope of some of the findings. Results must be manageable. Must capture range of variations.
15:29:38 <jeanne> s/Jeanne, /Karen,
15:29:56 <DavidTodd> Kathy & Jeanne: List of deliverables looks great.
15:30:04 <jeanne> s/Jeanne: Interviews /Karen: Interviews
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15:31:06 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Run the list of deliverables by the working group.
15:31:07 <KimPatch> TOPIC: Discussion on Mobile Accessibility Techniques
15:31:24 <DavidTodd> Kathy: We plan to write new techniques.
15:32:18 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Native apps vs. Web apps (should they be separate?).
15:33:08 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Should we create new techniques or add to existing ones?
15:33:41 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: They should be part of WCAG but be tagged for easy identification.
15:33:53 <DavidTodd> Kim: That makes sense.
15:34:42 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Can tag an existing techniques with mobile tags.
15:35:03 <jeanne> jeanne: and do gap analysis of where new techniques are needed.
15:35:34 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Start with existing list of techniques and identify where mobile should be included.
15:36:22 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Get volunteers to go through existing techniques to do gap analysis.
15:37:05 <DavidTodd> Kathy: There are a number of technologies documented in WCAG (html, css, flash, etc.).
15:37:14 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques
15:37:52 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Posted a link to techniques that are being worked on.
15:38:23 <DavidTodd> Kathy: What's the best way to go through the techniques?
15:38:56 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Look at success criteria first.
15:39:38 <DavidTodd> Kim: Set up a wiki page to collect our work.
15:40:16 <Zakim> -Karen_McGrane
15:40:31 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Start with success criteria first.
15:40:55 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Someone want to take 1.1.1?
15:40:55 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/
15:41:38 <jeanne> HOw to Meet <- http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/20120103/
15:42:03 <DavidTodd> Kath: Look at techniques under success criteria first.
15:42:29 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Start with Jeanne's link.
15:43:30 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Jeanne's page makes it clear about what to do.
15:45:47 <DavidTodd> Group: Discussing procedure to document mobile gap analysis.
15:46:44 <DavidTodd> Kathy: WCAG guidelines don't change, the techniques do (for mobile).
15:47:22 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Copy entire technique, change it, send to working group for approval.
15:47:34 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
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15:49:24 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Identify which techniques apply to mobile. Don't want to get into specifics of what's to be added right now.
15:50:00 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Okay to put examples and notes in changes.
15:50:16 <DavidTodd> Group: Everyone would benefit by seeing an example.
15:50:37 <jeanne> action: Jeanne and Kim to create an example of WCAG technique edit page
15:50:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - And kim to create an example of wcag technique edit page [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-01-24].
15:50:38 <DavidTodd> Jeanne & Kim: Will create an example.
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15:51:12 <KimPatch> TOPIC: Resource List - what should we do to get this ready for publication?
15:51:40 <DavidTodd> Kathy: What should we include in resources to get it ready for publications?
15:52:30 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Use same format as on W3C sight, provide creation date, provide description.
15:53:06 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Propose how the page should be updated.
15:53:18 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Mobile_Resources
15:54:05 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Can someone add in source, format, creation date.
15:54:33 <DavidTodd> Kim: Most of resources are self explanatory.
15:54:58 <DavidTodd> Kim: Will look at them regarding description.
15:56:11 <DavidTodd> Kim: A lot of the don't need dates (e.g., Web pages). The ones that need dates are documents and videos.
15:56:49 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#references
15:57:08 <DavidTodd> Kim: 16 Dec 2012 is  the correct date format.
15:58:07 <DavidTodd> Kathy: A lot of work to format.
15:58:25 <DavidTodd> s/Kathy/Kim/
15:59:43 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: Formatting provides meta data but usability suffers.
16:00:29 <DavidTodd> Group: Will not format resources.
16:01:15 <DavidTodd> Alan & Kim: will work on resources.
16:02:40 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
16:02:41 <Zakim> -DavidTodd
16:02:41 <Zakim> -Kathleen
16:02:46 <Zakim> -wuwei
16:03:08 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:03:12 <Kathy> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/17-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kathy
16:03:20 <Kathy> 	2. trackbot, end meeting
16:03:28 <Kathy> trackbot, end meeting
16:03:28 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:03:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, +1.720.663.aaaa, Alan_Smith, DavidTodd, +1.910.278.aabb, Kathleen, +1.917.887.aacc, Michael_Cooper,
16:03:31 <Zakim> ... Karen_McGrane, Jeanne, wuwei
16:03:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:03:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/17-mobile-a11y-minutes.html trackbot
16:03:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:03:37 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/17-mobile-a11y-actions.rdf :
16:03:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeanne to research wcag2ict to find the sections related to mobile. [1]
16:03:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/17-mobile-a11y-irc#T15-08-56
16:03:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kathy to add settlement agreement link to accessibility resources [2]
16:03:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/17-mobile-a11y-irc#T15-13-23
16:03:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeanne and Kim to create an example of WCAG technique edit page [3]
16:03:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/17-mobile-a11y-irc#T15-50-37