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15:24:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be CRYPT
15:24:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SEC_WebCryp()11:00AM scheduled to start in 36 minutes
15:24:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Cryptography Working Group Teleconference
15:24:40 <trackbot> Date: 13 January 2014
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15:56:52 <Zakim> SEC_WebCryp()11:00AM has now started
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15:57:00 <Zakim> + +90533302aaaa
15:58:16 <hhalpin> topic: Welcome
15:58:52 <Zakim> + +1.617.253.aabb
15:59:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:40 <jyates> Zakim, aabb is jyates
15:59:40 <Zakim> +jyates; got it
16:00:05 <sangrae> IPcaller is sangrae
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16:00:11 <Zakim> +karen_oDonoghue
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16:01:49 <Zakim> +virginie
16:02:05 <virginie> zakim, who is the bridge ?
16:02:05 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, virginie.
16:02:14 <virginie> zakim, who is the phone?
16:02:14 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, virginie.
16:02:16 <Zakim> +Karen.a
16:02:22 <virginie> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see mete, jyates, [IPcaller], karen_oDonoghue, virginie, Karen.a
16:02:30 <karen> karen has joined #crypto
16:02:45 <virginie> agenda?
16:02:50 <Zakim> + +1.425.785.aacc
16:03:23 <MichaelH> MichaelH has joined #crypto
16:03:34 <virginie> what is the conference code?
16:03:45 <virginie> zakim, what is the conference code?
16:03:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 27978 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), virginie
16:03:47 <jimsch> zakrim, aacc is imsch
16:03:56 <jimsch> zakim, aacc is imsch
16:03:56 <Zakim> +imsch; got it
16:04:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:04:34 <hhalpin> Zakim, IPcaller.a is hhalpin
16:04:35 <Zakim> +hhalpin; got it
16:04:41 <Zakim> + +49.170.227.aadd
16:05:55 <virginie> Chair: virginie
16:06:08 <virginie> agenda?
16:06:11 <Zakim> +Michael_Hutchinson
16:06:15 <hhalpin> agenda- 1
16:06:19 <hhalpin> agenda- 2
16:06:20 <hhalpin> agenda- 3
16:06:21 <hhalpin> agenda- 4
16:06:28 <hhalpin> agenda+ welcome
16:06:38 <hhalpin> agenda+ tag
16:06:42 <hhalpin> agenda+ status
16:06:47 <hhalpin> agenda+ grouplife
16:06:55 <hhalpin> Zakim, agenda?
16:06:55 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:06:57 <Zakim> 5. welcome [from hhalpin]
16:06:57 <Zakim> 6. tag [from hhalpin]
16:06:57 <Zakim> 7. status [from hhalpin]
16:06:57 <Zakim> 8. grouplife [from hhalpin]
16:07:02 <hhalpin> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:07:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +49.170.227.aadd
16:07:16 <hhalpin> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:07:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose hhalpin
16:07:42 <hhalpin> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:07:42 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +49.170.227.aadd
16:07:44 <hhalpin> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:07:44 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_Hutchinson
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16:08:16 <kodonog> i can try if you can't get anyone else
16:08:32 <hhalpin> topic: welcome
16:08:48 <hhalpin> virginie: welcome
16:08:51 <virginie> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:08:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see mete, jyates, [IPcaller], karen_oDonoghue, virginie, Karen.a, imsch, hhalpin, +49.170.227.aadd, Michael_Hutchinson
16:09:48 <hhalpin> ... we would like to discuss TAG's feedback
16:09:54 <hhalpin> ... then discuss the open issues/bugs with editors
16:10:07 <hhalpin> ... since we can't go to Last Call till those are fixed
16:10:17 <hhalpin> ... yet the editors need to fix those bugs
16:10:33 <hhalpin> ... do we maintain the call at this time?
16:10:38 <hhalpin> ... much less people coming
16:10:56 <hhalpin> ... but it will be harder for people from Asia
16:11:30 <hhalpin> maybe do separate Asia calls at a time easier for Asian folks?
16:11:36 <hhalpin> topic: TAG feedback
16:11:53 <hhalpin> virginie: presented the status of the API
16:12:29 <hhalpin> ... 3 people very interested, Annvk from Mozilla, Alex Russell from Google, and a third @@ as well as questions from TimBL
16:12:40 <hhalpin> ... they will come back to us with official comments
16:13:18 <hhalpin> ... don't understand why there isn't explicit needs to be interop
16:13:29 <hhalpin> ... yet the WG decided not to mandate algorithms
16:13:33 <hhalpin> ... TAG might want us to change that
16:13:40 <hhalpin> ... so maybe we should revisit this decision, it's been a while
16:13:49 <hhalpin> notes that we will have a test-suite regardless
16:14:37 <hhalpin> virginie: the second topic, there was no discovery mechanism to list different supported algorithms
16:14:52 <hhalpin> ... in the end, our decision was kinda accepted
16:15:26 <hhalpin> ... there was an idea by the TAG that it could be worth having a method to add new and even proprietary algorithms
16:15:46 <hhalpin> ... such as when a smartcard is added, how can we sure if its available and how can a user determine if its used?
16:15:53 <hhalpin> ... could be part of v.Next
16:16:25 <hhalpin> ... there was some inconsistency in the algorithms
16:16:37 <hhalpin> ... but I didn't capture it, it will be in the official response
16:16:45 <hhalpin> ... all TAG members did look at spec
16:16:52 <hhalpin> ... they know what its use-cases and what its features are
16:17:08 <hhalpin> ACTION: Virginie to add presentation to TAG to our wiki
16:17:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Add presentation to tag to our wiki [on Virginie GALINDO - due 2014-01-20].
16:17:39 <hhalpin> notes that this should have no effect on going to Last Call as long as we get their comments during the Last Call period
16:18:05 <hhalpin> Zakim, next agendum
16:18:05 <Zakim> agendum 5. "welcome" taken up [from hhalpin]
16:18:11 <hhalpin> Zakim, agenda 7
16:18:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda 7', hhalpin
16:18:17 <hhalpin> topic: status
16:18:24 <hhalpin> virginie: no editors present
16:18:28 <hhalpin> ... but I sent status of the different bugs
16:18:33 <virginie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2014Jan/0000.html
16:19:21 <hhalpin> ... no response yet
16:19:47 <hhalpin> ... ryan is on holiday
16:20:00 <hhalpin> ... just go on by mail
16:20:21 <hhalpin> ... suggested 27th of jan
16:20:28 <hhalpin> ... for last call
16:22:53 <hhalpin> plan makes sense as long as editors check back in
16:22:57 <hhalpin> in due time
16:23:30 <hhalpin> virginie: hopefully bugs will be solved in coming days, most bugs related to richard barnes but he's out till end of january
16:23:41 <hhalpin> topic: grouplife
16:24:02 <hhalpin> virginie: call is at 16:00 UTC
16:24:07 <hhalpin> ... if we move back to 20:00 UTC
16:24:11 <hhalpin> ... would that be suitable?
16:24:12 <hhalpin> q+
16:24:16 <jimsch> =1
16:25:08 <kodonog> you could alternate between calls
16:25:40 <hhalpin> PROPOSAL: US call and Asian calls on separate time
16:25:57 <hhalpin> virginie: I would support that and try to make more decisions via mail
16:26:14 <hhalpin> could asian members send out times they would like?
16:26:17 <hhalpin> to the mailing list?
16:26:37 <karen> =1
16:26:43 <virginie> +1
16:26:45 <hhalpin> +1
16:26:53 <mete> 0
16:27:05 <jyates> +1
16:27:11 <hhalpin> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:27:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see mete, jyates, [IPcaller], karen_oDonoghue, virginie, Karen.a, imsch, hhalpin, +49.170.227.aadd, Michael_Hutchinson
16:27:11 <kodonog> 0
16:27:29 <hhalpin> virginie: looks like we'll switch in order to get the editors back on the call
16:27:46 <hhalpin> RESOLUTION: Move Europe-US call back to 20:00 UTC
16:28:04 <hhalpin> virginie: will discuss over mailing list to set up a dedicated asian call
16:28:10 <hhalpin> q+
16:29:34 <virginie> http://www2014.kr/
16:29:39 <hhalpin> yes
16:29:56 <hhalpin> W3C staff will be there, and we can set up some meetings with Korean and other Asian members
16:30:01 <hhalpin> not sure if we want a WG f2f again
16:30:13 <hhalpin> or should we meet in Europe re STRINT/IETF
16:30:18 <virginie> https://www.w3.org/2014/strint/
16:30:25 <hhalpin> viriginie: f2f next to IETF
16:30:47 <hhalpin> ... we could set up an informal meeting if not a WG f2f
16:31:03 <hhalpin> ... who will be at IETF?
16:31:05 <hhalpin> +1
16:31:08 <virginie> +1
16:31:09 <jimsch> -1
16:31:10 <kodonog> +1
16:31:13 <Axel> -1
16:31:14 <mete> not sure :)
16:31:19 <karen> -1
16:31:20 <hhalpin> looks like a few
16:31:42 <hhalpin> perhaps an informal meeting beforehand and then also go to JOSE WG meeting?
16:32:06 <hhalpin> virginie: will have a meeting to discuss future work?
16:32:40 <kodonog> CFP closes the 15th
16:32:45 <hhalpin> CFP for STRINT open till 15
16:32:55 <hhalpin> remember paper can just be a paragraph or two
16:33:04 <hhalpin> even in email :)
16:33:15 <hhalpin> next call will be on 27th of Jan.
16:33:36 <hhalpin> we will focus on bugs next call
16:33:38 <hhalpin> and future work
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16:33:50 <hhalpin> workshop hardware token proposal
16:34:13 <Zakim> +markw
16:35:11 <hhalpin> markw: nothing in particular to share right now
16:35:21 <hhalpin> ... we did have issue to operation/algorithm separation
16:35:26 <hhalpin> ... we need to clarify
16:35:36 <hhalpin> thats the issue from Vijay
16:35:40 <hhalpin> that Boneh also raised agaqin
16:36:01 <hhalpin> ISSUE-12
16:36:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Should the API distinguish between algorithm and operation parameters? -- open
16:36:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/issues/12
16:36:46 <hhalpin> right now we are waiting for input from richard and vijay
16:37:00 <hhalpin> virginie: lets revivie it on the mailing list
16:37:02 <kodonog> Richard is on vacation
16:37:25 <hhalpin> new version on next call possible?
16:37:39 <hhalpin> markw: ok
16:37:55 <hhalpin> ... should have some time
16:38:14 <hhalpin> virginie: talk over mailing list and then back in 2 weeks at 20:00 UTC
16:38:18 <hhalpin> trackbot, end meeting
16:38:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:38:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +90533302aaaa, mete, +1.617.253.aabb, [IPcaller], jyates, karen_oDonoghue, virginie, Karen, +1.425.785.aacc, imsch, hhalpin,
16:38:21 <Zakim> ... +49.170.227.aadd, Michael_Hutchinson, markw
16:38:22 <Zakim> -markw
16:38:24 <Zakim> -jyates
16:38:25 <Zakim> -imsch
16:38:26 <Zakim> -karen_oDonoghue
16:38:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:38:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/13-crypto-minutes.html trackbot
16:38:27 <Zakim> -virginie
16:38:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/13-crypto-actions.rdf :
16:38:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Virginie to add presentation to TAG to our wiki [1]
16:38:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/13-crypto-irc#T16-17-08
16:38:28 <Zakim> -mete
16:38:29 <Zakim> -Karen.a
16:38:30 <Zakim> - +49.170.227.aadd