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XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 11 March 2009

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Mar/0078.html
Seen
Alessio Cartocci, Markus Gylling, Roland Merrick, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe
Regrets
Unknown Mark, Tina Holmboe
Chair
Roland Merrick
Scribe
Steven Pemberton
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. make the prefix mechanism a responsibility of the host language and not the CURIE spec link
Topics

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13:32:10 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:32:10 <trackbot> Date: 11 March 2009
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13:44:49 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:44:49 <trackbot> Date: 11 March 2009
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13:45:06 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM

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13:45:22 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Mar/0078.html
13:45:34 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:45:37 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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13:45:37 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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13:45:39 <Zakim> +Steven

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13:45:56 <Zakim> +Markus

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13:48:43 <alessio> zakim, IPcaller is Alessio

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13:51:23 <Steven> scribe: Steven

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13:51:48 <Steven> Topic: Announcements

1. Announcements

13:52:20 <Steven> Roland: Steven and Tina, don't forget WAI ARIA review, due in April

Roland Merrick: Steven and Tina, don't forget WAI ARIA review, due in April

13:52:43 <Steven> Topic: Actions

2. Actions

13:52:56 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open

13:53:16 <Steven> Roland: I haven't done 1 or 2

Roland Merrick: I haven't done 1 or 2

13:53:35 <Steven> Shane: 14 we talked about yesterday, don't close it yet

Shane McCarron: 14 we talked about yesterday, don't close it yet

13:53:56 <Steven> ... I have fice actions marked 'pending review'

... I have five actions marked 'pending review'

13:54:03 <Steven> s/fice/five/
13:54:10 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/pendingreview

Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/pendingreview

13:54:11 <Steven> Shane: Action 13 then

Shane McCarron: ACTION-13 then

13:54:34 <Steven> ... (marked 'pending review'

... (marked 'pending review'

13:55:03 <ShaneM> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0024.html

Shane McCarron: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0024.html

13:55:09 <Steven> ... script to expand CURIEs

... script to expand CURIEs

13:55:21 <Steven> Roland: Add it to wiki?

Roland Merrick: Add it to wiki?

13:56:14 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to add CURIE script to wiki

ACTION: Shane to add CURIE script to wiki

13:56:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Add CURIE script to wiki [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-03-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Add CURIE script to wiki [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-03-18].

13:56:22 <Steven> Close action-13

Close ACTION-13

13:56:22 <trackbot> ACTION-13 Craft an example script to generically transform a string to a CURIE using the XML DOM for inclusion or reference from the CURIE spec. closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-13 Craft an example script to generically transform a string to a CURIE using the XML DOM for inclusion or reference from the CURIE spec. closed

13:56:44 <Steven> Shane: Action 28

Shane McCarron: ACTION-28

13:57:10 <Steven> Roland: Was on the agenda for yesterda, on the agenda for the next vftf

Roland Merrick: Was on the agenda for yesterday, on the agenda for the next vftf

13:57:17 <Steven> s/da,/day,
13:57:24 <Steven> Shane: Happy to leave this as pending

Shane McCarron: Happy to leave this as pending

13:58:08 <Steven> Roland: Consider action done, as it is on the agenda

Roland Merrick: Consider action done, as it is on the agenda

13:58:14 <Steven> close action-28

close ACTION-28

13:58:14 <trackbot> ACTION-28 add ITS to the XHTML 2 Doctype section closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-28 add ITS to the XHTML 2 Doctype section closed

13:58:21 <Steven> Shane: Action 45

Shane McCarron: ACTION-45

13:58:36 <Steven> Roland: We can close, we did this

Roland Merrick: We can close, we did this

13:58:46 <Steven> close action-45

close ACTION-45

13:58:46 <trackbot> ACTION-45 Talk to the mobile people about allowing @lang closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-45 Talk to the mobile people about allowing @lang closed

13:58:57 <Steven> Roland: Action 49

Roland Merrick: ACTION-49

13:59:19 <Steven> Shane: I think they expect me to update the vocab document

Shane McCarron: I think they expect me to update the vocab document

13:59:43 <Steven> close action-49

close ACTION-49

13:59:43 <trackbot> ACTION-49 - ensure that XHTML Vocab Document in sync with ARIA 1.0 Last Call draft are in sync closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-49 - ensure that XHTML Vocab Document in sync with ARIA 1.0 Last Call draft are in sync closed

14:00:08 <Steven> action: Shane to update vocab document for ARIA values

ACTION: Shane to update vocab document for ARIA values

14:00:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Update vocab document for ARIA values [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-03-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-62 - Update vocab document for ARIA values [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-03-18].

14:00:31 <Steven> Roland: Action 50

Roland Merrick: ACTION-50

14:00:57 <Steven> close action-50

close ACTION-50

14:00:57 <trackbot> ACTION-50 - send summation of discussion (this is what we need from language point of view and good practices bad practices) with examples closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-50 - send summation of discussion (this is what we need from language point of view and good practices bad practices) with examples closed

14:02:15 <Steven> Roland: Action 24

Roland ACTION-24

14:03:20 <Steven> Steven [reads text]; what more do we need

Steven [reads text]; what more do we need

14:03:36 <Steven> s/:/
14:03:45 <Steven> Shane: What about a fragment?

Shane McCarron: What about a fragment?

14:04:30 <Steven> ... does the content get added to the DOM? I think not. And is the content of the element in the DOM after replacement?

... does the content get added to the DOM? I think not. And is the content of the element in the DOM after replacement?

14:05:01 <Steven> Roland: Is this the same as action-27?

Roland Merrick: Is this the same as ACTION-27?

14:05:49 <Steven> Shane: Look at the issues at the end of the chapter

Shane McCarron: Look at the issues at the end of the chapter

14:07:13 <Steven> Steven: I suspect (though need to check) that it should work like <object>

Steven Pemberton: I suspect (though need to check) that it should work like <object>

14:07:30 <Steven> ... so it is a CSS embedding, as replaced elements work

... so it is a CSS embedding, as replaced elements work

14:08:15 <Steven> ... I'll take another bash at it

... I'll take another bash at it

14:08:24 <Steven> Roland: Close 24, and deal with it under 27

Roland Merrick: Close 24, and deal with it under 27

14:08:34 <Steven> close action-24

close ACTION-24

14:08:34 <trackbot> ACTION-24 Add text to embedding module saying how it works closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-24 Add text to embedding module saying how it works closed

14:08:45 <Steven> Roland: Action-29

Roland Merrick: ACTION-29

14:08:58 <Steven> ... I will write note that we won't do it

... I will write note that we won't do it

14:11:57 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0008.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0008.html

14:14:47 <Steven> Steven: Action 47, I will ping Addison

Steven Pemberton: ACTION-47, I will ping Addison

14:17:02 <Steven> Roland: What's holding up role?

Roland Merrick: What's holding up role?

14:17:13 <Steven> Steven: Nothing. I will send.

Steven Pemberton: Nothing. I will send.

14:19:22 <Steven> TOPIC: CURIEs and Host languages

3. CURIEs and Host languages

14:19:27 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Mar/0000.html

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Mar/0000.html

14:21:13 <Steven> Steven: So he's asking for SHOULD instead of MUST?

Steven Pemberton: So he's asking for SHOULD instead of MUST?

14:21:27 <Steven> Roland: Well, we need to say that there MUST be a prefix mechanism

Roland Merrick: Well, we need to say that there MUST be a prefix mechanism

14:21:51 <Steven> Shane: I should add this to tracker

Shane McCarron: I should add this to tracker

14:22:12 <Steven> Shane: There is the question of another prefix mechanism being discussed

Shane McCarron: There is the question of another prefix mechanism being discussed

14:23:11 <Steven> Steven: Leave design of mechanism to RDFa tf

Steven Pemberton: Leave design of mechanism to RDFa tf

14:23:35 <Steven> Shane: It should be left to the host language

Shane McCarron: It should be left to the host language

14:24:22 <Steven> Steven: This is not a CR problem, because it would just weaken the normative requirements

Steven Pemberton: This is not a CR problem, because it would just weaken the normative requirements

14:24:34 <Steven> Shane: Then I support it

Shane McCarron: Then I support it

14:25:28 <Steven> proposed RESOLUTION: make the prefix mechanism a responsibility og the host language and not the CURIE spec

proposed RESOLUTION: make the prefix mechanism a responsibility of the host language and not the CURIE spec

14:25:34 <Steven> s/og/of/
14:25:44 <Steven> RESOLUTION: make the prefix mechanism a responsibility og the host language and not the CURIE spec

RESOLVED: make the prefix mechanism a responsibility of the host language and not the CURIE spec

14:25:51 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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14:25:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/11-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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14:26:30 <Steven> Regrets: Mark, Tina

Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

14:26:49 <Steven> s/og/of/
14:27:04 <Steven> Topic: Next vftf

4. Next vftf

14:29:37 <Steven> Roland: Tues or Thurs in a week, or extend the Weds call

Roland Merrick: Tues or Thurs in a week, or extend the Weds call

14:30:49 <Steven> Markus: I could make next week, I'd be up super early, but jetlagged anyway

Markus Gylling: I could make next week, I'd be up super early, but jetlagged anyway

14:31:11 <Steven> Roland: How about next Weds?

Roland Merrick: How about next Weds?

14:31:16 <Steven> Alessio: Not sure

Alessio Cartocci: Not sure

14:32:22 <Steven> Roland: Next Weds, 105 mins earlier?

Roland Merrick: Next Weds, 105 mins earlier?

14:32:29 <Steven> Shane: OK with me

Shane McCarron: OK with me

14:34:59 <Steven> Steven: Not Alessio though. How about the 26th?

Steven Pemberton: Not Alessio though. How about the 26th?

14:35:09 <Steven> Shane: OK, if starting 8am my time

Shane McCarron: OK, if starting 8am my time

14:35:13 <Steven> Markus: OK

Markus Gylling: OK

14:35:19 <Steven> Alessio: OK

Alessio Cartocci: OK

14:36:26 <Roland> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=03&day=25&hour=13&min=00&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215&p4=248&p5=283

Roland Merrick: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=03&day=25&hour=13&min=00&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215&p4=248&p5=283

14:37:08 <Roland> oops http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=03&day=26&hour=13&min=00&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215&p4=248&p5=283

Roland Merrick: oops http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=03&day=26&hour=13&min=00&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215&p4=248&p5=283

14:37:18 <alessio> +1

Alessio Cartocci: +1

14:37:18 <Steven> Steven: That's 13:00UTC

Steven Pemberton: That's 13:00UTC

14:38:06 <Steven> [ADJOURN]

[ADJOURN]

14:38:13 <Zakim> -Steven

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14:38:14 <Zakim> -Markus

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14:38:15 <Zakim> -Alessio

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14:38:16 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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14:39:07 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here?

14:39:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland

14:39:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, Roland, ShaneM, Markus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio, Roland, ShaneM, Markus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, trackbot

14:39:13 <Steven> zakim, dro proland

zakim, dro proland

14:39:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'dro proland', Steven

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14:39:18 <Steven> zakim, drop roland

zakim, drop roland

14:39:18 <Zakim> Roland is being disconnected

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14:39:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Markus, Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Markus, Alessio

14:39:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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14:39:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/11-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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14:47:52 <Steven> Shane?

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