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14:43:03 <rmerric> rmerric has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0005.html
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14:43:08 <rmerric> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0005.html
14:43:23 <rmerric> Zakim, this will be xhtml2
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14:43:23 <Zakim> ok, rmerric; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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14:43:50 <Steven> better to use trackbot
Steven Pemberton: better to use trackbot ←
14:43:59 <Steven> trackbot, start telcon
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14:44:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:44:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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14:44:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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14:44:04 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:44:05 <trackbot> Date: 12 November 2008
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14:44:29 <Zakim> +Roland
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14:45:16 <Zakim> +McCarron
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14:45:27 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
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14:45:27 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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14:45:49 <Tina> As mentioned I am without a functional phone due to teleco salesfellow.
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14:46:08 <Roland> Regrets: Alessio, Mark
14:46:54 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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14:46:54 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:46:58 <Zakim> +Steven
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14:47:47 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:48:16 <oedipus> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
(Scribe set to Gregory Rosmaita)
14:48:21 <oedipus> ScribeNick: oedipus
14:48:30 <oedipus> regrets: Mark_Birbeck, Alessio_Cartocci, Tina_Holmboe
14:48:43 <oedipus> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0005.html
14:49:02 <oedipus> previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-xhtml-minutes.html
14:49:09 <oedipus> rrsagent, please make minutes
rrsagent, please make minutes ←
14:49:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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14:49:20 <oedipus> TOPIC 1: Agenda Review
TOPIC 1: Agenda Review ←
14:49:46 <oedipus> RM: anything anyone wants to address specifically?
Roland Merrick: anything anyone wants to address specifically? ←
14:50:02 <oedipus> SP: did you see reqeest for review for Selectors API
Steven Pemberton: did you see reqeest for review for Selectors API ←
14:50:15 <oedipus> SP: fear we may not have reviewed first time around
Steven Pemberton: fear we may not have reviewed first time around ←
14:50:31 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0004.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0004.html ←
14:50:42 <oedipus> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api/
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api/ ←
14:50:57 <oedipus> quote: "As with LC #1, we explicitly request a review from the following WGs:
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14:50:57 <oedipus> CSS, HTML, Math, P&F, SVG, XHTML2 and XML Core.
CSS, HTML, Math, P&F, SVG, XHTML2 and XML Core. ←
14:51:22 <oedipus> RM: relevant to us
Roland Merrick: relevant to us ←
14:51:48 <oedipus> SP: remember Mark dismissive of this; of opinion not worth dealing with but should revisit
Steven Pemberton: remember Mark dismissive of this; of opinion not worth dealing with but should revisit ←
14:52:01 <oedipus> RM: does it cause any difficulties or does it help us?
Roland Merrick: does it cause any difficulties or does it help us? ←
14:52:23 <oedipus> SM: namespace things in it relevant to XML Events 2 and may be to CURIEs
Shane McCarron: namespace things in it relevant to XML Events 2 and may be to CURIEs ←
14:52:47 <oedipus> SP: CSS selectors api
Steven Pemberton: CSS selectors api ←
14:52:52 <oedipus> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api/
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api/ ←
14:53:02 <oedipus> SM: talks about DOM3 and namespaces
Shane McCarron: talks about DOM3 and namespaces ←
14:53:21 <oedipus> SP: title of the document makes it sound more general than is -- selecting items using CSS selectors
Steven Pemberton: title of the document makes it sound more general than is -- selecting items using CSS selectors ←
14:53:43 <oedipus> SP: string parameter - text of CSS selector
Steven Pemberton: string parameter - text of CSS selector ←
14:54:35 <oedipus> SM: [role=foo:bar] - how does that get mapped?
Shane McCarron: [role=foo:bar] - how does that get mapped? ←
14:54:44 <oedipus> SP: foo is any URI string?
Steven Pemberton: foo is any URI string? ←
14:54:47 <oedipus> SM: maybe not
Shane McCarron: maybe not ←
14:55:16 <oedipus> SP: namespace suppport for elements, namespace support for attributes, but no namespace support for values; need to use literal prefixes
Steven Pemberton: namespace suppport for elements, namespace support for attributes, but no namespace support for values; need to use literal prefixes ←
14:55:22 <oedipus> SM: treats as token
Shane McCarron: treats as token ←
14:56:58 <oedipus> SP: biggest objection is that CSS Selectors designed for very specific use case - serial rendering of documents; shaped syntax of selectors: some things possible, some impossible, and some get in the way of incremental rendering; can't collect previous sibling, but following sibling because previous sibling already rendered; CSS Selectors a bad API selector -- really need something more general
Steven Pemberton: biggest objection is that CSS Selectors designed for very specific use case - serial rendering of documents; shaped syntax of selectors: some things possible, some impossible, and some get in the way of incremental rendering; can't collect previous sibling, but following sibling because previous sibling already rendered; CSS Selectors a bad API selector -- really need something more general ←
14:57:37 <oedipus> SP: that's why i think of little relevance -- decided to use XPath in XForms and XHTML2 to avoid such a problem
Steven Pemberton: that's why i think of little relevance -- decided to use XPath in XForms and XHTML2 to avoid such a problem ←
14:58:00 <oedipus> RM: will someone review on our behalf and make reocommendation as to how to respond?
Roland Merrick: will someone review on our behalf and make reocommendation as to how to respond? ←
14:58:18 <oedipus> SP: when does LC end?
Steven Pemberton: when does LC end? ←
14:58:23 <oedipus> GJR: 12 December 2008
Gregory Rosmaita: 12 December 2008 ←
14:58:33 <oedipus> SP: second last call, so shorter review
Steven Pemberton: second last call, so shorter review ←
14:59:07 <oedipus> SP: not sure if i have sufficient expertise - very much a DOM-thing
Steven Pemberton: not sure if i have sufficient expertise - very much a DOM-thing ←
14:59:25 <oedipus> RM: look at it from our perspective - from our PoV looks ok
Roland Merrick: look at it from our perspective - from our PoV looks ok ←
14:59:46 <oedipus> SP: anyone think could do this?
Steven Pemberton: anyone think could do this? ←
14:59:59 <oedipus> RM: SP familiar with CSS it is based on
Roland Merrick: SP familiar with CSS it is based on ←
15:00:18 <oedipus> SP: least interesting part of this - here is syntax over there, will do it
Steven Pemberton: least interesting part of this - here is syntax over there, will do it ←
15:00:58 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30
ACTION: Steven - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30 ←
15:00:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30 [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-11-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-20 - - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30 [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-11-19]. ←
15:01:19 <oedipus> SP: due to unused vacation days will be gone most of december
Steven Pemberton: due to unused vacation days will be gone most of december ←
15:01:59 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:01:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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15:02:43 <oedipus> TOPIC: Transitions
15:02:56 <oedipus> RM: 3 resolved to go to CR: CURIE, Role and Access
Roland Merrick: 3 resolved to go to CR: CURIE, Role and Access ←
15:03:08 <oedipus> SP: CURIE request sent; other 2 will be sent by end of week
Steven Pemberton: CURIE request sent; other 2 will be sent by end of week ←
15:03:12 <oedipus> SM: sent how?
Shane McCarron: sent how? ←
15:03:21 <oedipus> SP: transmission requests
Steven Pemberton: transmission requests ←
15:04:12 <oedipus> RM's summary of TPAC resolutions & related stuff: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0040.html
RM's summary of TPAC resolutions & related stuff: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0040.html ←
15:04:22 <oedipus> RM: status of XML Events 2?
Roland Merrick: status of XML Events 2? ←
15:04:51 <oedipus> SM: updated draft on 24 October 2008 - believe that addresses everything discussed at meeting - sent out post to that effect
Shane McCarron: updated draft on 24 October 2008 - believe that addresses everything discussed at meeting - sent out post to that effect ←
15:05:09 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0024.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0024.html ←
15:05:25 <oedipus> RM: please read and review before next week
Roland Merrick: please read and review before next week ←
15:05:28 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xml-events2
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xml-events2 ←
15:05:32 <oedipus> RM: XHTML Mime
Roland Merrick: XHTML Mime ←
15:05:43 <oedipus> SM: appendix needs to be updated
Shane McCarron: appendix needs to be updated ←
15:06:10 <oedipus> RM: in response to comments on mime document
Roland Merrick: in response to comments on mime document ←
15:06:16 <oedipus> SM: that's my action item
Shane McCarron: that's my action item ←
15:06:29 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtmlmime
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtmlmime ←
15:06:53 <oedipus> SM: example doesn't match guidelines, but we knew that and will fix
Shane McCarron: example doesn't match guidelines, but we knew that and will fix ←
15:07:29 <oedipus> SP: never been through reissuing a note before - announced to HTC, fielded comments, and when we are done, just publish - no pub approval cycle for Note
Steven Pemberton: never been through reissuing a note before - announced to HTC, fielded comments, and when we are done, just publish - no pub approval cycle for Note ←
15:07:37 <oedipus> SM: shouldn't update until example more complete
Shane McCarron: shouldn't update until example more complete ←
15:08:09 <oedipus> RM: odd thing is XHTML Media Types Second Edition, but doesn't say note
Roland Merrick: odd thing is XHTML Media Types Second Edition, but doesn't say note ←
15:08:32 <oedipus> SP: in statement - statement also goes where "Editor's Draft" is now
Steven Pemberton: in status - status also goes where "Editor's Draft" is now ←
15:08:51 <oedipus> SM: careful to keep editor's draft until ready to push
Shane McCarron: careful to keep editor's draft until ready to push ←
15:08:58 <Steven> s/statement/status/
15:09:12 <oedipus> RM: only thing outstanding is appendix?
Roland Merrick: only thing outstanding is appendix? ←
15:09:14 <oedipus> SM: yes
Shane McCarron: yes ←
15:09:48 <oedipus> SM: have an action (18) to fix appendix
Shane McCarron: have an action (18) to fix appendix ←
15:10:13 <oedipus> SP: when republish, are we going to consider doing PER of 1.0 without appendix C
Steven Pemberton: when republish, are we going to consider doing PER of 1.0 without appendix C ←
15:10:21 <oedipus> GJR: as long as we point to Mime Types 2008
Gregory Rosmaita: as long as we point to Mime Types 2008 ←
15:10:50 <oedipus> SP: appendix guidelines get a lot of flack as not being part of spec and just informative
Steven Pemberton: appendix guidelines get a lot of flack as not being part of spec and just informative ←
15:11:08 <oedipus> SP: olivier has problem that normative parts refer to informative appendix C
Steven Pemberton: olivier has problem that normative parts refer to informative appendix C ←
15:11:41 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/18
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/18 ←
15:11:48 <oedipus> SP: outstanding errata for 1.0?
Steven Pemberton: outstanding errata for 1.0? ←
15:12:15 <oedipus> SM: never envisioned re-releasing 1.0
Shane McCarron: never envisioned re-releasing 1.0 ←
15:12:28 <oedipus> SP: no errata logged for 1.0
Steven Pemberton: no errata logged for 1.0 ←
15:12:57 <oedipus> RM: seems strange not even any minor editorial nits
Roland Merrick: seems strange not even any minor editorial nits ←
15:13:14 <oedipus> SP: already Second Edition, so this would be Third Edition
Steven Pemberton: already Second Edition, so this would be Third Edition ←
15:13:29 <oedipus> SM: include schema implementation?
Shane McCarron: include schema implementation? ←
15:13:32 <oedipus> SP: why not?
Steven Pemberton: why not? ←
15:13:44 <oedipus> SM: don't know if trust current schema
Shane McCarron: don't know if trust current schema ←
15:14:03 <oedipus> SP: think it was feed as DTD through a transformer and hand-tweaked
Steven Pemberton: think it was feed as DTD through a transformer and hand-tweaked ←
15:14:19 <oedipus> SM: don't need to do
Shane McCarron: don't need to do ←
15:15:06 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - prepare 1.0 PER by removing appendix C and replace with pointer / reference to XHTML Mime
ACTION: Shane - prepare 1.0 PER by removing appendix C and replace with pointer / reference to XHTML Mime ←
15:15:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - - prepare 1.0 PER by removing appendix C and replace with pointer / reference to XHTML Mime [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-11-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-21 - - prepare 1.0 PER by removing appendix C and replace with pointer / reference to XHTML Mime [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-11-19]. ←
15:15:24 <oedipus> RM: should be after XHTML Mime goes to transition
Roland Merrick: should be after XHTML Mime goes to transition ←
15:15:42 <oedipus> SM: a lot of fruit from XHTML Mime, so need to get that pushed
Shane McCarron: a lot of fruit from XHTML Mime, so need to get that pushed ←
15:15:52 <oedipus> RM: Mime critical path for all PERs on list
Roland Merrick: Mime critical path for all PERs on list ←
15:16:00 <oedipus> SM: yes;
Shane McCarron: yes; ←
15:16:34 <oedipus> SM: haven't heard anything more from melinda -- will ping her to ensure nothing else for XHTML Print
Shane McCarron: haven't heard anything more from melinda -- will ping her to ensure nothing else for XHTML Print ←
15:16:51 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/21
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/21 ←
15:17:00 <oedipus> (will annotate after meeting)
(will annotate after meeting) ←
15:17:13 <oedipus> TOPIC: Documents in Maintenance Mode
15:17:21 <oedipus> RM: errata for XML Events need to be addressed
Roland Merrick: errata for XML Events need to be addressed ←
15:17:26 <oedipus> SM: did it - done
Shane McCarron: did it - done ←
15:17:40 <oedipus> RM: 4 PERs (excluding 1.0) - where are we with those?
Roland Merrick: 4 PERs (excluding 1.0) - where are we with those? ←
15:17:56 <oedipus> RM: Basic should be issued; further dialog with Yam?
Roland Merrick: Basic should be issued; further dialog with Yam? ←
15:18:32 <oedipus> SP: there is example near end that we didn't create - in appendix says: "here is example" "here is how would look" working on updating that with Yam directly
Steven Pemberton: there is example near end that we didn't create - in appendix says: "here is example" "here is how would look" working on updating that with Yam directly ←
15:18:51 <oedipus> RM: RDFa not keen to issue PER so soon after issuing spec
Roland Merrick: RDFa not keen to issue PER so soon after issuing spec ←
15:19:05 <oedipus> RM: XHTML 1.1 PER status?
Roland Merrick: XHTML 1.1 PER status? ←
15:19:09 <oedipus> SM: ready to go
Shane McCarron: ready to go ←
15:19:18 <oedipus> SM: Print is ready to og
Shane McCarron: Print is ready to og ←
15:19:32 <oedipus> RM: all refer to Mime document?
Roland Merrick: all refer to Mime document? ←
15:19:47 <oedipus> SM: Print does not refer to mime doc; 1.1, Basic, RDFa do
Shane McCarron: Print does not refer to mime doc; 1.1, Basic, RDFa do ←
15:20:27 <oedipus> SM: decision of RDFa TF was wait until january and then reissue and correct any errata that arise
Shane McCarron: decision of RDFa TF was wait until january and then reissue and correct any errata that arise ←
15:20:39 <oedipus> SM: if can get example done, Basic will be ready for PER
Shane McCarron: if can get example done, Basic will be ready for PER ←
15:21:17 <oedipus> SM: will get 1.0 PER together as well, but first priority is get example done in Mime document - try to get done by tomorrow - will alert group - review changes on list and sign off on it next call
Shane McCarron: will get 1.0 PER together as well, but first priority is get example done in Mime document - try to get done by tomorrow - will alert group - review changes on list and sign off on it next call ←
15:21:28 <oedipus> RM: no action outstanding to do example in basic
Roland Merrick: no action outstanding to do example in basic ←
15:22:31 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - work with Yam on missing example for XHTML Basic - 2008-11-19
ACTION: Steven - work with Yam on missing example for XHTML Basic - 2008-11-19 ←
15:22:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - - work with Yam on missing example for XHTML Basic - 2008-11-19 [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-11-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-22 - - work with Yam on missing example for XHTML Basic - 2008-11-19 [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-11-19]. ←
15:23:11 <oedipus> TOPIC: Open Action Review
15:23:15 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open ←
15:23:16 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda ←
15:23:23 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open ←
15:24:07 <oedipus> RM: action 4?
15:24:12 <oedipus> SM: checking status now
Shane McCarron: checking status now ←
15:24:20 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/4
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/4 ←
15:26:28 <oedipus> RM: role action on GJR
Roland Merrick: role action on GJR ←
15:26:36 <oedipus> GJR: still need to pin down AlG's response
Gregory Rosmaita: still need to pin down AlG's response ←
15:26:46 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/5
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/5 ←
15:27:26 <oedipus> RM: Script Implement Attribute model (15) http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/15
Roland Merrick: Script Implement Attribute model (15) http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/15 ←
15:27:33 <oedipus> SM: working on it
Shane McCarron: working on it ←
15:27:46 <oedipus> RM: IDREF change http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/16
Roland Merrick: IDREF change http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/16 ←
15:27:50 <oedipus> SM: in process
Shane McCarron: in process ←
15:29:01 <oedipus> SM: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/19 - origins?
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/19 - origins? ←
15:29:30 <Steven> close action-19
Steven Pemberton: close ACTION-19 ←
15:29:31 <trackbot> ACTION-19 craft text to about transformation of XHTML to HTML for the XHTMLMIME draft closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-19 craft text to about transformation of XHTML to HTML for the XHTMLMIME draft closed ←
15:29:35 <oedipus> RM: processor -- moved into tracker list - discussed at phone call of 15 june; put in and ripped out during F2F so think is close
Roland Merrick: processor -- moved into tracker list - discussed at phone call of 15 june; put in and ripped out during F2F so think is close ←
15:30:21 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda ←
15:30:32 <oedipus> RM: lot of historical actions still in agenda not in tracker
Roland Merrick: lot of historical actions still in agenda not in tracker ←
15:30:40 <oedipus> RM: review and remove or move to tracker
Roland Merrick: review and remove or move to tracker ←
15:31:01 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane to start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0
ACTION: Shane to start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0 ←
15:31:01 <oedipus> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/08-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
[recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/08-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
15:31:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0 [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-11-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-23 - Start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0 [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-11-19]. ←
15:31:14 <oedipus> drop action 4
15:31:30 <oedipus> rrsagent, drop action-23
15:31:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'drop action-23', oedipus. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'drop ACTION-23', oedipus. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
15:31:59 <oedipus> RM: move into tracker
Roland Merrick: move into tracker ←
15:32:19 <oedipus> new action on Shane: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/23
new action on Shane: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/23 ←
15:32:30 <oedipus> SP: speak to mark
Steven Pemberton: speak to mark ←
15:32:34 <oedipus> RM: not sure how been changed
Roland Merrick: not sure how been changed ←
15:32:44 <oedipus> SP: Mark done a lot of modularization
Steven Pemberton: Mark done a lot of modularization ←
15:32:48 <oedipus> RM: but not in spec
Roland Merrick: but not in spec ←
15:33:21 <oedipus> SP: not XHTML schema, but XForms; think Mark has one that implements ???
Steven Pemberton: not XHTML schema, but XForms; think Mark has one that implements ??? ←
15:33:38 <oedipus> RM: ACTION: Shane to split 8024 into two issues.
Roland Merrick: ACTION: Shane to split 8024 into two issues. ←
15:33:49 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2007/12/12-xhtml-minutes.html#action04
ACTION-04">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/12-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-04 ←
15:34:05 <oedipus> RM: next action on steven redundant
Roland Merrick: next action on steven redundant ←
15:34:22 <oedipus> RM: from f2f to venice: Steven to add text to embedding module saying how it works
Roland Merrick: from f2f to venice: Steven to add text to embedding module saying how it works ←
15:34:39 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven to add text to embedding module saying how it works
ACTION: Steven to add text to embedding module saying how it works ←
15:34:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Add text to embedding module saying how it works [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-11-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-24 - Add text to embedding module saying how it works [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-11-19]. ←
15:35:01 <oedipus> SM: action on 8024 done
Shane McCarron: action on 8024 done ←
15:35:09 <oedipus> RM: do we need 4 types of list in XHTML2
Roland Merrick: do we need 4 types of list in XHTML2 ←
15:35:23 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2008May/0005.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2008May/0005.html ←
15:36:21 <oedipus> SP: everlasting discussion - where "magic" of semantics resides: element or attribute names; better to have list titled UL with nexted LIs - could say 4 different types of list (UL,OL,DL)
Steven Pemberton: everlasting discussion - where "magic" of semantics resides: element or attribute names; better to have list titled UL with nexted LIs - could say 4 different types of list (UL,OL,DL) ←
15:36:36 <oedipus> SM: DL only different in that has user defined label
Shane McCarron: DL only different in that has user defined label ←
15:36:48 <oedipus> GJR: aria terms "ownedby"
Gregory Rosmaita: aria terms "ownedby" ←
15:37:00 <oedipus> SM: why break compatibility with world?
Shane McCarron: why break compatibility with world? ←
15:37:06 <oedipus> RM: created new one with navigation list
Roland Merrick: created new one with navigation list ←
15:37:40 <oedipus> SP: with addition of role, someone said, now we have role with value of navigation, perhaps navigation list in XHTML2 superfluous
Steven Pemberton: with addition of role, someone said, now we have role with value of navigation, perhaps navigation list in XHTML2 superfluous ←
15:37:55 <oedipus> SM: nav list already has implicit role
Shane McCarron: nav list already has implicit role ←
15:38:08 <oedipus> SP: navigation list the one on the chopping block now that we have role
Steven Pemberton: navigation list the one on the chopping block now that we have role ←
15:38:26 <oedipus> SM: special behavioral semantics associated with navigation lists
Shane McCarron: special behavioral semantics associated with navigation lists ←
15:39:06 <oedipus> SP: meant to identify certain types of lists; could represent in diff ways on diff devices; if no room for navigation bar, could do as drop down list, which would be a navigation list; circumstantial usage
Steven Pemberton: meant to identify certain types of lists; could represent in diff ways on diff devices; if no room for navigation bar, could do as drop down list, which would be a navigation list; circumstantial usage ←
15:39:18 <oedipus> SP: if base semantics on role, don't need extra syntax
Steven Pemberton: if base semantics on role, don't need extra syntax ←
15:39:59 <oedipus> SM: suggestion is get rid of navigation list in XHTML2 because role makes redundant
Shane McCarron: suggestion is get rid of navigation list in XHTML2 because role makes redundant ←
15:40:52 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/mod-list.html#edef_list_nl
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/mod-list.html#edef_list_nl ←
15:41:11 <oedipus> proposed RESOLVED: review need for nl now that Role exists
proposed RESOLVED: review need for nl now that Role exists ←
15:41:42 <oedipus> RESOLVED: review need for nl now that Role exists and prepare for discussion at next week's meeting
RESOLVED: review need for nl now that Role exists and prepare for discussion at next week's meeting ←
15:41:49 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:41:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:42:06 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/mod-list.html#s_listmodule
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/mod-list.html#s_listmodule ←
15:42:30 <oedipus> RM: Access + RDFa into XHTML2 - still open?
Roland Merrick: Access + RDFa into XHTML2 - still open? ←
15:42:33 <oedipus> SM: open
Shane McCarron: open ←
15:42:53 <oedipus> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-xhtml-minutes.html#action05
recorded in ACTION-05">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-05 ←
15:43:09 <oedipus> SM: from 31 may 2005
Shane McCarron: from 31 may 2005 ←
15:43:19 <oedipus> SM: may be moot
Shane McCarron: may be moot ←
15:43:45 <oedipus> SM: Media Type and how source type or href type are resolved during requests for content-negotiation
Shane McCarron: Media Type and how source type or href type are resolved during requests for content-negotiation ←
15:44:41 <oedipus> SP: a double-asterisk says will accept anything - don't know how can expand asterisks
Steven Pemberton: a double-asterisk says will accept anything - don't know how can expand asterisks ←
15:44:49 <oedipus> SM: doesn't make sense to me, either
Shane McCarron: doesn't make sense to me, either ←
15:45:22 <oedipus> RM: close 7800 and 7099 in issue tracking?
Roland Merrick: close 7800 and 7999 in issue tracking? ←
15:45:36 <oedipus> s/7099/7999
15:45:52 <oedipus> SM: can change to rejected because request should still say asterisk
Shane McCarron: can change to rejected because request should still say asterisk ←
15:46:31 <oedipus> RM: action on steven to devote brain cycles to solving quality values question
Roland Merrick: action on steven to devote brain cycles to solving quality values question ←
15:46:45 <oedipus> SP: needs more thought - clarify what asterisk means
Steven Pemberton: needs more thought - clarify what asterisk means ←
15:46:59 <oedipus> ADJOURN
ADJOURN ←
15:47:16 <oedipus> RM: XHTML2 development topic for next week
Roland Merrick: XHTML2 development topic for next week ←
15:47:28 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:47:37 <Tina> oedipus: * ;)
Gregory Rosmaita: * ;) [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:47:45 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:47:46 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
15:47:46 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:47:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:47:51 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
15:47:52 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
15:47:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Gregory_Rosmaita ←
15:48:25 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:48:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:48:36 <oedipus> chair: Roland_Merrick
15:48:39 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:48:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:52:42 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
rrsagent, please part ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30 [1]
ACTION: Steven - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30 [1] ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-00-58
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-00-58 ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - prepare 1.0 PER by removing appendix C and replace with pointer / reference to XHTML Mime [2]
ACTION: Shane - prepare 1.0 PER by removing appendix C and replace with pointer / reference to XHTML Mime [2] ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-15-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-15-06 ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - work with Yam on missing example for XHTML Basic - 2008-11-19 [3]
ACTION: Steven - work with Yam on missing example for XHTML Basic - 2008-11-19 [3] ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-22-31
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-22-31 ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0 [4]
ACTION: Shane to start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0 [4] ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-31-01
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-31-01 ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to add text to embedding module saying how it works [5]
ACTION: Steven to add text to embedding module saying how it works [5] ←
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-34-39
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-xhtml-irc#T15-34-39 ←
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