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13:46:00 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here
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13:46:00 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
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13:46:04 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
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13:46:04 <Zakim> sorry, ShaneM, I don't know what conference this is
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13:46:04 <Roland> zakim, this is xhtml2
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13:46:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, Roland, ShaneM, oedipus, Steven, trackbot
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13:46:05 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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13:46:06 <Zakim> ok, Roland; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM
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13:46:08 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:46:10 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:46:15 <Steven> trackbot, start telcon
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13:46:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:46:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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13:46:20 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
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13:46:21 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:46:21 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2008
13:46:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM already started
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13:47:32 <oedipus> Regrets: Tina, Mark
13:47:44 <oedipus> guess it's time to call in...
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13:47:48 <Steven> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-xhtml-minutes
13:47:57 <Zakim> +??P7
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13:48:09 <alessio> zakim, ??P7 is Alessio
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13:48:09 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
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13:48:19 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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13:50:24 <oedipus> zakim, who is here?
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13:50:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita
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13:50:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, Roland, ShaneM, oedipus, Steven, trackbot
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13:50:27 <Steven> Agenda+M12N Transition
Steven Pemberton: Agenda+M12N Transition ←
13:50:42 <Steven> Agenda+CURIE comments
Steven Pemberton: Agenda+CURIE comments ←
13:50:49 <Steven> Agenda+XForms access comments
Steven Pemberton: Agenda+XForms access comments ←
13:51:34 <Steven> Agenda+ TPAC FtF Agenda
Steven Pemberton: Agenda+ TPAC FtF Agenda ←
13:51:51 <oedipus> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
(Scribe set to Gregory Rosmaita)
13:51:55 <oedipus> ScribeNick: oedipus
13:52:04 <oedipus> TOPIC: Agenda Addenda?
13:52:14 <oedipus> RM: no - can have quick look at trackbot
Roland Merrick: no - can have quick look at trackbot ←
13:52:19 <Steven> trackbot, help
Steven Pemberton: trackbot, help ←
13:52:19 <trackbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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13:52:33 <Steven> trackbot, where?
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13:52:33 <trackbot> Sorry, Steven, I don't understand 'trackbot, where?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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13:52:52 <Steven> trackbot, status
Steven Pemberton: trackbot, status ←
13:53:05 <oedipus> try http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
try http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my ←
13:53:15 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/ ←
13:53:34 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda ←
13:54:21 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/web
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/web ←
13:54:54 <oedipus> TOPIC: Comments on CURIE
13:55:01 <oedipus> RM: feedback reactions?
Roland Merrick: feedback reactions? ←
13:55:32 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0005.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0005.html ←
13:55:41 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0007.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0007.html ←
13:55:52 <oedipus> the last got a plus one from alessio
the last got a plus one from alessio ←
13:56:16 <alessio> yes, thx gregory
Alessio Cartocci: yes, thx gregory ←
13:56:17 <oedipus> SP: "QNames unsuitable..." want us to reformulate unsuitability
Steven Pemberton: "QNames unsuitable..." want us to reformulate unsuitability ←
13:56:45 <oedipus> SM: cite their own document to say why unsuitable -- don't blame us, we're following the TAG's lead (they are it)
Shane McCarron: cite their own document to say why unsuitable -- don't blame us, we're following the TAG's lead (they are it) ←
13:57:02 <oedipus> SP: "inappropriate for CURIE syntax in languages where spec does not allow it..."
Steven Pemberton: "inappropriate for CURIE syntax in languages where spec does not allow it..." ←
13:57:38 <oedipus> SM: suspicion has been that we are planning on substituting CURIEs for URIs -- comment shows situation hasn't improved -- don't understand difference
Shane McCarron: suspicion has been that we are planning on substituting CURIEs for URIs -- comment shows situation hasn't improved -- don't understand difference ←
13:57:53 <oedipus> SM: point is, can't shoe-horn in a CURIE unless someone asked for it
Shane McCarron: point is, can't shoe-horn in a CURIE unless someone asked for it ←
13:57:57 <oedipus> RM: reasonable comment
Roland Merrick: reasonable comment ←
13:58:07 <oedipus> SM: if this is how to answer comment after trying for a year, then ok
Shane McCarron: if this is how to answer comment after trying for a year, then ok ←
13:58:11 <oedipus> RM: seems reasonable
Roland Merrick: seems reasonable ←
13:59:16 <oedipus> SP: quotes: "CURIEs and safe CURIEs not be be used as attributes... other content may be written for CURIEs or IRIs - must be disambiguation - all CURIEs therefore must be expressed as strong CURIEs"
Steven Pemberton: quotes: "CURIEs and safe_CURIEs not be be used as attributes... other content may be written for CURIEs or IRIs - must be disambiguation - all CURIEs therefore must be expressed as safe_CURIEs" ←
13:59:42 <oedipus> SP: not sure i agree - "all CURIEs provided as safe curies"
Steven Pemberton: not sure i agree - "all CURIEs provided as safe curies" ←
13:59:45 <oedipus> SM: can live with this
Shane McCarron: can live with this ←
13:59:48 <oedipus> SP: me too
Steven Pemberton: me too ←
13:59:54 <alessio> +1
Alessio Cartocci: +1 ←
14:00:02 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 ←
14:00:33 <oedipus> SP: next point has no proposed text:
Steven Pemberton: next point has no proposed text: ←
14:00:45 <oedipus> s/strong CURIEs/safe_CURIEs
14:01:31 <oedipus> SM: summarize: in LC WD there was a typo that said lexical space IRI which is NOT what we meant; they say that is bad, and we agree -- suggest doing what we've already done: lexical space is CURIE, value space is IRI
Shane McCarron: summarize: in LC WD there was a typo that said lexical space IRI which is NOT what we meant; they say that is bad, and we agree -- suggest doing what we've already done: lexical space is CURIE, value space is IRI ←
14:02:20 <oedipus> SM: problem: if base an XSD on XSstring, by definition, the mapping from lexical space to value space is "identity" in XSD terminology; implication is doesn't transform, but it does transform
Shane McCarron: problem: if base an XSD on XSstring, by definition, the mapping from lexical space to value space is "identity" in XSD terminology; implication is doesn't transform, but it does transform ←
14:02:31 <oedipus> SP: XSD says that anything based on strings has to remain a string
Steven Pemberton: XSD says that anything based on strings has to remain a string ←
14:02:35 <oedipus> SM: and/or transform
Shane McCarron: and/or transform ←
14:02:50 <oedipus> RM: need to re-review -- URI is a constraint itself
Roland Merrick: need to re-review -- URI is a constraint itself ←
14:02:54 <oedipus> SP: how about IRI
Steven Pemberton: how about IRI ←
14:03:04 <oedipus> RM: only in 1.1 -- at time of 1.0 was only URI
Roland Merrick: only in 1.1 -- at time of 1.0 was only URI ←
14:03:13 <oedipus> SP: IRI will transform and not based on string
Steven Pemberton: IRI will transform and not based on string ←
14:03:29 <oedipus> SM: new fundamental type so they could achieve end not envisioned by XML Schema
Shane McCarron: new fundamental type so they could achieve end not envisioned by XML Schema ←
14:03:44 <oedipus> SM: TAG proposed wording that we have always held to
Shane McCarron: TAG proposed wording that we have always held to ←
14:03:52 <oedipus> RM: use mutually happy words
Roland Merrick: use mutually happy words ←
14:04:16 <oedipus> SP: so happy with this section of comments?
Steven Pemberton: so happy with this section of comments? ←
14:04:18 <oedipus> SM: yes
Shane McCarron: yes ←
14:04:45 <oedipus> s/safe CURIEs/safe_CURIEs
14:04:53 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:05:28 <oedipus> SM: propose 2 diff wordings: suggest "rules for error report recovery should be provided in host language" -- appeals to me
Shane McCarron: propose 2 diff wordings: suggest "rules for error report recovery should be provided in host language" -- appeals to me ←
14:06:07 <oedipus> SM: saying we've made assumption, they want us to specify how works; gives everyone more flexibility; wonder what MarkB would think of that...
Shane McCarron: saying we've made assumption, they want us to specify how works; gives everyone more flexibility; wonder what MarkB would think of that... ←
14:06:37 <oedipus> SP: have to decide if want to say error handling defined or error handling must/should be provided by host language
Steven Pemberton: have to decide if want to say error handling defined or error handling must/should be provided by host language ←
14:06:41 <oedipus> SM: prefer latter
Shane McCarron: prefer latter ←
14:06:43 <oedipus> SP: me too
Steven Pemberton: me too ←
14:06:55 <oedipus> GJR: me too
Gregory Rosmaita: me too ←
14:06:57 <alessio> me too
Alessio Cartocci: me too ←
14:07:12 <oedipus> RM: still looking for IRI def in XSD 1.1
Roland Merrick: still looking for IRI def in XSD 1.1 ←
14:07:44 <oedipus> RM: (reads from XSD 1.1)
Roland Merrick: (reads from XSD 1.1) ←
14:07:54 <oedipus> RM: saying can do with IRIs and URIs
Roland Merrick: saying can do with IRIs and URIs ←
14:08:32 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#anyURI
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#anyURI ←
14:09:05 <oedipus> RM: talking of lexical mapping in section
Roland Merrick: talking of lexical mapping in section ←
14:09:19 <oedipus> RM: doesn't sound as if there is an IRI type as they suggested
Roland Merrick: doesn't sound as if there is an IRI type as they suggested ←
14:09:33 <oedipus> SM: says "mapping is identity mapping" which to me means no transform
Shane McCarron: says "mapping is identity mapping" which to me means no transform ←
14:09:40 <oedipus> RM: worth reviewing to see if analagous
Roland Merrick: worth reviewing to see if analagous ←
14:10:02 <oedipus> SM: my suggestion is have someone from XML Schema WG suggest what they want so we can integrate it
Shane McCarron: my suggestion is have someone from XML Schema WG suggest what they want so we can integrate it ←
14:10:24 <oedipus> RM: commenter in both TAG and Schema WG
Roland Merrick: commenter in both TAG and Schema WG ←
14:11:05 <oedipus> proposed RESOLUTION: Rules for error reporting and/or recovery should be provided in the
proposed RESOLUTION: Rules for error reporting and/or recovery should be provided in the ←
14:11:05 <oedipus> specification for the host language.
specification for the host language. ←
14:11:33 <oedipus> SM: have tto reply to fallacious assumption - XML Schema implementation is what is wrong
Shane McCarron: have tto reply to fallacious assumption - XML Schema implementation is what is wrong ←
14:12:03 <oedipus> SM: asked SMcQueen to help write XSD -- pushed to RDFa and CURIEs already
Shane McCarron: asked SMcQueen to help write XSD -- pushed to RDFa and CURIEs already ←
14:13:01 <oedipus> RESOLVED: accept "Rules for error reporting and/or recovery should be provided in the specification for the host language.
RESOLVED: accept "Rules for error reporting and/or recovery should be provided in the specification for the host language. ←
14:13:09 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:13:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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14:13:30 <oedipus> SM: does mean should modify RDFa syntax -- will do before Rec, which is this week
Shane McCarron: does mean should modify RDFa syntax -- will do before Rec, which is this week ←
14:13:35 <oedipus> RM: a SHOULD not MUST
Roland Merrick: a SHOULD not MUST ←
14:14:06 <oedipus> Chair: Roland, Steven
14:14:17 <oedipus> SM: comments agree with: empty string is not a CURIE
Steven Pemberton: comments agree with: empty string is not a CURIE ←
14:14:25 <oedipus> s/SM: comments/SP: comments
14:14:29 <oedipus> SP: that is true
Steven Pemberton: that is true ←
14:14:33 <oedipus> GJR: agreed
Gregory Rosmaita: agreed ←
14:14:37 <oedipus> RM: agree
Roland Merrick: agree ←
14:14:41 <oedipus> SM: over the moon
Shane McCarron: over the moon ←
14:14:45 <alessio> agree
Alessio Cartocci: agree ←
14:15:41 <oedipus> SM: talked to RalphZ to go to CR before publication moritorium, so he said no -- can't push before TPAC; suggest i complete work, resolve to transition to CR at face2face and then request
Shane McCarron: talked to RalphS to go to CR before publication moritorium, so he said no -- can't push before TPAC; suggest i complete work, resolve to transition to CR at face2face and then request ←
14:15:47 <oedipus> RM: sounds good to me -- same with Role
Roland Merrick: sounds good to me -- same with Role ←
14:15:50 <oedipus> SM: and Access
Shane McCarron: and Access ←
14:15:54 <Steven> s/RalphZ/RalphS/
14:16:01 <oedipus> SM: all 3 at once makes story stronger
Shane McCarron: all 3 at once makes story stronger ←
14:16:29 <oedipus> RM: Shane will have ready for approval at TPAC
Roland Merrick: Shane will have ready for approval at TPAC ←
14:16:37 <oedipus> SM: yes - in 2 weeks time
Shane McCarron: yes - in 2 weeks time ←
14:16:46 <oedipus> TOPIC: M12n
14:17:00 <oedipus> SP: going to REC today (will be dated today)
Steven Pemberton: going to REC today (will be dated today) ←
14:17:19 <oedipus> SP: put errata doc up today; sent draft announcement to W3C comm team; hoping announcement will go out today
Steven Pemberton: put errata doc up today; sent draft announcement to W3C comm team; hoping announcement will go out today ←
14:17:30 <oedipus> SP: definitely going to be out before TPAC, which is very good
Steven Pemberton: definitely going to be out before TPAC, which is very good ←
14:17:38 <oedipus> SM: good to finish another deliverable
Shane McCarron: good to finish another deliverable ←
14:17:55 <oedipus> SP: thank you shane for producing latest version -- now in hands of comm team
Steven Pemberton: thank you shane for producing latest version -- now in hands of comm team ←
14:18:10 <oedipus> RM: address Access Module comments?
Roland Merrick: address Access Module comments? ←
14:18:16 <oedipus> TOPIC: Access Module
14:18:30 <oedipus> RM: comments logged at:
Roland Merrick: comments logged at: ←
14:19:18 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0006.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0006.html ←
14:19:25 <alessio> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0006.html
Alessio Cartocci: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0006.html ←
14:20:24 <oedipus> SP: background: Forms has "repeat" construct that can contain things with IDs -- when repeat gets expanded, you end up with things in shadow tree that are all names with same ID - that is basis of worry -- using access with element that has been duplicated within the tree one is actually accessing
Steven Pemberton: background: Forms has "repeat" construct that can contain things with IDs -- when repeat gets expanded, you end up with things in shadow tree that are all names with same ID - that is basis of worry -- using access with element that has been duplicated within the tree one is actually accessing ←
14:20:46 <oedipus> SP: some short-cuts to take to element with particular ID via access, and problem is, there are more than one of them
Steven Pemberton: some short-cuts to take to element with particular ID via access, and problem is, there are more than one of them ←
14:21:10 <oedipus> RM: XForms should use target role rather than targetid for access -- exception condition
Roland Merrick: XForms should use target role rather than targetid for access -- exception condition ←
14:21:18 <oedipus> RM: use Role as recommended approach?
Roland Merrick: use Role as recommended approach? ←
14:21:21 <oedipus> SP: not sure
Steven Pemberton: not sure ←
14:21:31 <oedipus> RM: not error, but pattern for what they need to do
Roland Merrick: not error, but pattern for what they need to do ←
14:21:35 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 to RM
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 to RM ←
14:21:57 <oedipus> SP: either say what should happen or what happens in markup languages that use this feature should be governed by rules of host language
Steven Pemberton: either say what should happen or what happens in markup languages that use this feature should be governed by rules of host language ←
14:22:18 <oedipus> SM: duplicate IDs been rejected
Shane McCarron: duplicate IDs been rejected ←
14:22:37 <oedipus> SP: that was in markup - nothing says can't have markup language that has ID on something that gets expanded into DOM tree
Steven Pemberton: that was in markup - nothing says can't have markup language that has ID on something that gets expanded into DOM tree ←
14:23:10 <oedipus> RM: problem with idea that there is no synchronization between the 2 -- 1 to 1 relationship between IDs in DOM and IDs in document; if serialize DOM, expect to get them all out
Roland Merrick: problem with idea that there is no synchronization between the 2 -- 1 to 1 relationship between IDs in DOM and IDs in document; if serialize DOM, expect to get them all out ←
14:23:24 <oedipus> RM: multiple items with identical ID values not allowed
Roland Merrick: multiple items with identical ID values not allowed ←
14:24:05 <oedipus> SP: XForms doesn't allow either; need to decide if need to include reference to this in access spec, of say to Forms people, it is a huge problem, but is yours, and pertains to use of other namespaces in your namespace
Steven Pemberton: XForms doesn't allow either; need to decide if need to include reference to this in access spec, of say to Forms people, it is a huge problem, but is yours, and pertains to use of other namespaces in your namespace ←
14:24:22 <oedipus> RM: suggest create role for this purpose
Roland Merrick: suggest create role for this purpose ←
14:24:47 <oedipus> SM: in terms of best practice, role created to avoid multiple identical IDs
Shane McCarron: in terms of best practice, role created to avoid multiple identical IDs ←
14:25:05 <oedipus> SM: module, not ML; when combine XForms+Role, there is "role"
Shane McCarron: module, not ML; when combine XForms+Role, there is "role" ←
14:25:26 <oedipus> SP: XHTML+Access+Role+XForms1.0
Steven Pemberton: XHTML+Access+Role+XForms1.0 ←
14:25:35 <oedipus> RM: for Forms WG to deal with situation
Roland Merrick: for Forms WG to deal with situation ←
14:26:04 <oedipus> SP: can point out that interaction between CSS and XForms has to deal with same problem, so re-use that mechanism for this issue
Steven Pemberton: can point out that interaction between CSS and XForms has to deal with same problem, so re-use that mechanism for this issue ←
14:26:21 <oedipus> RM: thought repeaters didn't work with 1.0
Roland Merrick: thought repeaters didn't work with 1.0 ←
14:26:30 <oedipus> SP: original version didn't convert case
Steven Pemberton: original version didn't convert case ←
14:27:29 <oedipus> SM: how would an Access implementation deal/cope with a changing list of targets in its list of potential targets; way access works is to declare there is an access element, associated with this key and these targets
Shane McCarron: how would an Access implementation deal/cope with a changing list of targets in its list of potential targets; way access works is to declare there is an access element, associated with this key and these targets ←
14:27:36 <oedipus> SP: targets that stop being relevant
Steven Pemberton: targets that stop being relevant ←
14:27:42 <oedipus> SM: or change position
Shane McCarron: or change position ←
14:28:24 <oedipus> SM: DOM changes - if capture list of targets, what happens when list changes - if does change, does it reset to begining -- what happens? we say cycle through list, don't address what to do if list changes
Shane McCarron: DOM changes - if capture list of targets, what happens when list changes - if does change, does it reset to begining -- what happens? we say cycle through list, don't address what to do if list changes ←
14:28:45 <oedipus> RM: have to work on processing model - have to ensure node one assumes is current exists, if does, start point, if gone, restart
Roland Merrick: have to work on processing model - have to ensure node one assumes is current exists, if does, start point, if gone, restart ←
14:29:01 <oedipus> SM: do specify what happens, sort of -- re-evaluate list everytime
Shane McCarron: do specify what happens, sort of -- re-evaluate list everytime ←
14:29:14 <oedipus> RM: if current node is gone, have to go back to start of list
Roland Merrick: if current node is gone, have to go back to start of list ←
14:29:22 <oedipus> SP: start or first place where was
Steven Pemberton: start or first place where was ←
14:29:27 <oedipus> RM: a lot could change
Roland Merrick: a lot could change ←
14:29:44 <oedipus> SM: about focus - something always has focus - next item in document order
Shane McCarron: about focus - something always has focus - next item in document order ←
14:29:51 <oedipus> RM: what if change by diff mechanism
Roland Merrick: what if change by diff mechanism ←
14:30:04 <oedipus> SM: doesn't matter if item in list of targets has focus or not in terms of processing model
Shane McCarron: doesn't matter if item in list of targets has focus or not in terms of processing model ←
14:30:38 <oedipus> RM: need to state: do not cater for mulitple IDs in our spec; for any language that does, that language will have to define how to deal with situation
Roland Merrick: need to state: do not cater for mulitple IDs in our spec; for any language that does, that language will have to define how to deal with situation ←
14:30:43 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 ←
14:31:23 <oedipus> SP: dynamic content generation -- agree need to deal with issue, but particular case is something we don't intend to deal with
Steven Pemberton: dynamic content generation -- agree need to deal with issue, but particular case is something we don't intend to deal with ←
14:31:47 <alessio> +1
Alessio Cartocci: +1 ←
14:31:48 <oedipus> RM: if inserted new piece of content, can re-evaluate and include;
Roland Merrick: if inserted new piece of content, can re-evaluate and include; ←
14:32:02 <oedipus> SM: belive covered in section 3.1.4
Shane McCarron: belive covered in section 3.1.4 ←
14:32:02 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml-access-20080820/#A_order
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml-access-20080820/#A_order ←
14:32:40 <oedipus> "For the sake of determining navigation order, elements in the document that match the values in the targetid or targetrole attributes are called matching elements, and all elements that match the same value are members of an element group. Note: since the id of an element must be unique within a valid XML document, in such documents, each element group based on targetid values consist of no more than one matching element."
"For the sake of determining navigation order, elements in the document that match the values in the targetid or targetrole attributes are called matching elements, and all elements that match the same value are members of an element group. Note: since the id of an element must be unique within a valid XML document, in such documents, each element group based on targetid values consist of no more than one matching element." ←
14:33:04 <oedipus> SM: answer in last sentence of section: "The location of the next matching element MUST be determined each time the access element is triggered, since it is possible that between events the contents of the document will have changed."
Shane McCarron: answer in last sentence of section: "The location of the next matching element MUST be determined each time the access element is triggered, since it is possible that between events the contents of the document will have changed." ←
14:33:26 <oedipus> RM: is this version of draft commented upon?
Roland Merrick: is this version of draft commented upon? ←
14:33:40 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-access-20080526
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-access-20080526 ←
14:34:01 <oedipus> GJR: commented on one in TR space which doesn't have what ED has
Gregory Rosmaita: commented on one in TR space which doesn't have what ED has ←
14:34:09 <oedipus> SM: point them to Editor's Draft
Shane McCarron: point them to Editor's Draft ←
14:34:16 <oedipus> RM: anyone in position to send reply?
Roland Merrick: anyone in position to send reply? ←
14:34:25 <oedipus> SM: i can do it
Shane McCarron: i can do it ←
14:35:06 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - reply to Forms comments, point to latest Editor's Draft to ascertain if have alleviated their concerns
ACTION: Shane - reply to Forms comments, point to latest Editor's Draft to ascertain if have alleviated their concerns ←
14:35:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - - reply to Forms comments, point to latest Editor's Draft to ascertain if have alleviated their concerns [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-4 - - reply to Forms comments, point to latest Editor's Draft to ascertain if have alleviated their concerns [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-15]. ←
14:35:12 <oedipus> RM: pretty late for a comment
Roland Merrick: pretty late for a comment ←
14:35:26 <oedipus> SM: "not alone in concern about this issue, so it has already been addressed"
Shane McCarron: "not alone in concern about this issue, so it has already been addressed" ←
14:35:38 <oedipus> SP: special case of generating elements in repeat won't call out
Steven Pemberton: special case of generating elements in repeat won't call out ←
14:39:33 <Steven> zakim, agenda?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, agenda? ←
14:39:33 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: ←
14:39:34 <Zakim> 1. M12N Transition [from Steven]
Zakim IRC Bot: 1. M12N Transition [from Steven] ←
14:39:35 <oedipus> RM: anything else for access?
Roland Merrick: anything else for access? ←
14:39:36 <Zakim> 2. CURIE comments [from Steven]
Zakim IRC Bot: 2. CURIE comments [from Steven] ←
14:39:37 <Zakim> 3. XForms access comments [from Steven]
Zakim IRC Bot: 3. XForms access comments [from Steven] ←
14:39:38 <Zakim> 4. TPAC FtF Agenda [from Steven]
Zakim IRC Bot: 4. TPAC FtF Agenda [from Steven] ←
14:39:43 <Steven> zakim, close agendum 1
Steven Pemberton: zakim, close agendum 1 ←
14:39:43 <Zakim> agendum 1, M12N Transition, closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1, M12N Transition, closed ←
14:39:44 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is ←
14:39:45 <Zakim> 2. CURIE comments [from Steven]
Zakim IRC Bot: 2. CURIE comments [from Steven] ←
14:39:52 <oedipus> GJR: still trying to get feedback on what to do for notification when keybindings change
Gregory Rosmaita: still trying to get feedback on what to do for notification when keybindings change ←
14:40:02 <Steven> zakim, close agendum 2
Steven Pemberton: zakim, close agendum 2 ←
14:40:02 <Zakim> agendum 2, CURIE comments, closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 2, CURIE comments, closed ←
14:40:03 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is ←
14:40:04 <Zakim> 3. XForms access comments [from Steven]
Zakim IRC Bot: 3. XForms access comments [from Steven] ←
14:40:15 <Steven> zakim, close agendum 3
Steven Pemberton: zakim, close agendum 3 ←
14:40:15 <Zakim> agendum 3, XForms access comments, closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 3, XForms access comments, closed ←
14:40:16 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: ←
14:40:17 <Zakim> 4. TPAC FtF Agenda [from Steven]
Zakim IRC Bot: 4. TPAC FtF Agenda [from Steven] ←
14:40:17 <oedipus> SM: want to ensure replied to all LC comments before TPAC
Shane McCarron: want to ensure replied to all LC comments before TPAC ←
14:40:37 <oedipus> TOPIC: TPAC f2f Agenda
14:40:44 <oedipus> RM: please send suggestions for agenda to list
Roland Merrick: please send suggestions for agenda to list ←
14:40:53 <oedipus> RM: created TPAC page on XHTML2 WG wiki
Roland Merrick: created TPAC page on XHTML2 WG wiki ←
14:41:05 <oedipus> RM: will shape agenda next week
Roland Merrick: will shape agenda next week ←
14:41:24 <oedipus> SP: next week Forms group having virtual F2F next week
Steven Pemberton: next week Forms group having virtual F2F next week ←
14:41:32 <oedipus> SP: wednesday and thursday next week
Steven Pemberton: wednesday and thursday next week ←
14:42:04 <oedipus> SP: starts at 3 and ends at midnight my time, will try to attend as long as possible
Steven Pemberton: starts at 3 and ends at midnight my time, will try to attend as long as possible ←
14:42:10 <oedipus> TOPIC: Vocab Document
14:42:14 <oedipus> RM: where is RDFa?
Roland Merrick: where is RDFa? ←
14:42:36 <oedipus> SM: SP stripped all of RDFa out of document when updated
Shane McCarron: SP stripped all of RDFa out of document when updated ←
14:42:49 <oedipus> SP: Amaya must have done that or were we editing simultaneously
Steven Pemberton: Amaya must have done that or were we editing simultaneously ←
14:42:55 <oedipus> SM: no
Shane McCarron: no ←
14:43:07 <oedipus> SP: apologies -- will dig out old version from CVS
Steven Pemberton: apologies -- will dig out old version from CVS ←
14:43:12 <oedipus> SM: reapply changes
Shane McCarron: reapply changes ←
14:43:29 <oedipus> SM: i have RDF changes would like to make changes -- will email to SP
Shane McCarron: i have RDF changes would like to make changes -- will email to SP ←
14:44:12 <oedipus> SM: confirm days meeting at TPAC?
Shane McCarron: confirm days meeting at TPAC? ←
14:44:22 <oedipus> RM: 23 and 24 october 2008
Roland Merrick: 23 and 24 october 2008 ←
14:44:35 <oedipus> RM: registered as observer at XForms
Roland Merrick: registered as observer at XForms ←
14:45:31 <oedipus> GJR: suggest talk with RWAB XG folks
Gregory Rosmaita: suggest talk with RWAB XG folks ←
14:45:33 <oedipus> ADJOURN
ADJOURN ←
14:45:41 <Zakim> -McCarron
Zakim IRC Bot: -McCarron ←
14:45:42 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:45:43 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:45:43 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:45:43 <Zakim> -??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P2 ←
14:45:45 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:45:46 <Zakim> Attendees were McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:45:59 <oedipus> present+ Roland_Merrick
present+ Roland_Merrick ←
14:46:05 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:46:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:46:33 <oedipus> Agenda Planning via Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
Agenda Planning via Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda ←
14:46:44 <oedipus> Recent Tracker Activity: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/changelog
Recent Tracker Activity: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/changelog ←
14:47:05 <oedipus> add new "products" using: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products
add new "products" using: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products ←
14:47:10 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:47:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:48:33 <oedipus> Tracker "Home": http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/
Tracker "Home": http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ ←
14:48:38 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:48:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:48:44 <oedipus> zakim, please part
zakim, please part ←
14:49:52 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
rrsagent, please part ←
14:49:52 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
14:49:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - reply to Forms comments, point to latest Editor's Draft to ascertain if have alleviated their concerns [1]
ACTION: Shane - reply to Forms comments, point to latest Editor's Draft to ascertain if have alleviated their concerns [1] ←
14:49:52 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-irc#T14-35-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-irc#T14-35-06 ←
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