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13:28:48 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-irc
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13:28:59 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:28:59 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes ←
13:29:07 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:29:27 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:31:02 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0014
13:31:13 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0014
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0014 ←
13:43:28 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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13:43:35 <Zakim> +Roland
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13:44:05 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:44:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
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13:44:18 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:44:56 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:45:09 <Roland> Regrets: Tina
13:45:52 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
13:45:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
13:47:00 <Steven> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-xhtml-minutes
13:47:10 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
13:48:01 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:48:01 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
13:48:03 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
13:48:06 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
13:48:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM, Steven (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM, Steven (muted) ←
13:48:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, markbirbeck, Roland, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, Lachy
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Steven, markbirbeck, Roland, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, Lachy ←
13:48:30 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
13:48:53 <Steven> zakom, ??P8 is Alessio
Steven Pemberton: zakom, ??P8 is Alessio ←
13:49:00 <Steven> azkim, ??P8 is Alessio
Steven Pemberton: azkim, ??P8 is Alessio ←
13:49:16 <Steven> zakim, ??P8 is Alessio
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??P8 is Alessio ←
13:49:16 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
13:49:36 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck ←
13:51:09 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
13:53:13 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:53:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
13:53:32 <Steven> Chair: Roland
13:53:41 <ShaneM> Alessio noted that this channel is no longer being publicly logged.
Alessio noted that this channel is no longer being publicly logged. ←
13:53:49 <ShaneM> Topic: XHR review and dependencies
13:54:29 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/ ←
13:54:38 <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
Gregory Rosmaita: regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:54:59 <ShaneM> Mark reviewed the XHR spec. It indicates there is a dependency on HTML5. however, the spec doesn't really bear this out except to indicate the window object should have an appropriate method.
Mark reviewed the XHR spec. It indicates there is a dependency on HTML5. however, the spec doesn't really bear this out except to indicate the window object should have an appropriate method. ←
13:55:47 <ShaneM> Roland suggests that we send in a note and indicate that the XHTML 2 working group supports Mark's position.
Roland suggests that we send in a note and indicate that the XHTML 2 working group supports Mark's position. ←
13:56:09 <ShaneM> Steven thinks that there are possibly another couple of weeks in the review period after the last HCG meeting.
Steven thinks that there are possibly another couple of weeks in the review period after the last HCG meeting. ←
13:56:29 <ShaneM> Steven points out that there should be no dpeendency on HTML - anything could use XHR. XForms for example.
Steven points out that there should be no dependency on HTML - anything could use XHR. XForms for example. ←
13:56:46 <ShaneM> s/dpeendency/dependency/
13:57:03 <Zakim> +??P1
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13:57:17 <yamx> zakim, ??P1 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P1 is yamx ←
13:57:17 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
13:57:44 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/23-hcg-minutes
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2008/05/23-hcg-minutes ←
13:58:07 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/23-hcg-minutes#item07
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2008/05/23-hcg-minutes#item07 ←
13:58:08 <Steven> JB: Think we may need more time than 2 June.
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Unknown JB: Think we may need more time than 2 June. [ Scribe Assist by Steven Pemberton ] ←
13:58:08 <Steven> ... We have a f2f on 9th, so 15th would be a good extended deadline
Steven Pemberton: ... We have a f2f on 9th, so 15th would be a good extended deadline ←
13:58:25 <Steven> CMN: That would be fine.
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Unknown CMN: That would be fine. [ Scribe Assist by Steven Pemberton ] ←
13:58:25 <Steven> ... have not pinged i18n
Steven Pemberton: ... have not pinged i18n ←
13:58:25 <Steven> ... but will
Steven Pemberton: ... but will ←
13:58:36 <ShaneM> Mark points out that there are multiple ways to create an XHR object independent of an XHR object. There is no real dependency on the window object.
Mark points out that there are multiple ways to create an XHR object independent of an XHR object. There is no real dependency on the window object. ←
13:59:21 <ShaneM> ACTION: markbirbeck to send a formal response from the XHTML 2 Working Group about XHR
ACTION: ShaneM to send a formal response from the XHTML 2 Working Group about XHR ←
14:00:35 <ShaneM> We have an interest because of XML Events, XML Events 2, XHTML 1.1, etc.
We have an interest because of XML Events, XML Events 2, XHTML 1.1, etc. ←
14:01:47 <ShaneM> s/markbirbeck/ShaneM/
14:02:49 <ShaneM> TOPIC: M12N Transition
14:04:38 <ShaneM> Steven reports that we had a transition call with Steve Bratt and Chris Lilley. Went well. We were asked to transition to PR. ShaneM is updating the spec and implementation report. Steven is preparing the draft directors decision.
Steven reports that we had a transition call with Steve Bratt and Chris Lilley. Went well. We were asked to transition to PR. ShaneM is updating the spec and implementation report. Steven is preparing the draft directors decision. ←
14:05:12 <ShaneM> The directors decision needs to explain that the unaccepted comments were out of scope because we were not entertaining changes to modules in this revision.
The directors decision needs to explain that the unaccepted comments were out of scope because we were not entertaining changes to modules in this revision. ←
14:06:15 <ShaneM> Steven is drafting materials for comms.
Steven is drafting materials for comms. ←
14:07:18 <ShaneM> ShaneM says he will have materials ready by CoB tomorrow.
ShaneM says he will have materials ready by CoB tomorrow. ←
14:07:53 <ShaneM> TOPIC: XHTML Basic 1.1 Transition
14:09:08 <ShaneM> We are meeting on Friday about it.
We are meeting on Friday about it. ←
14:09:26 <ShaneM> Steven has another implementation that supports inputmode and he is working with it.
Steven has another implementation that supports inputmode and he is working with it. ←
14:09:48 <ShaneM> However, Steve Bratt agreed that only one was required for the transition call.
However, Steve Bratt agreed that only one was required for the transition call. ←
14:10:42 <ShaneM> The requirement is that there be an implementation of the feature... so having two would be a good thing.
The requirement is that there be an implementation of the feature... so having two would be a good thing. ←
14:18:39 <ShaneM> ACTION: Roland to add time on the f2f agenda for discussing aria integration with XHTML.
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ACTION: Roland to add time on the f2f agenda for discussing aria integration with XHTML. ←
14:24:57 <ShaneM> TOPIC: XHTML Role
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14:25:37 <ShaneM> Mark is concerned about the role values from the ARIA spec. He thinks there might be collisions with the values for ARIA attributes.
Mark is concerned about the role values from the ARIA spec. He thinks there might be collisions with the values for ARIA attributes. ←
14:25:43 <ShaneM> ShaneM thinks there is no overlap.
ShaneM thinks there is no overlap. ←
14:26:20 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
14:26:22 <ShaneM> ACTION: ShaneM to ensure that there is no overlap between our vocab# values and the rest of the ARIA stuff.
ACTION: ShaneM to ensure that there is no overlap between our vocab# values and the rest of the ARIA stuff. ←
14:26:34 <ShaneM> TOPIC: XFrames
14:27:57 <ShaneM> Alessio has a page that has some findings but is not on IRC so cannot send us the URI.
Alessio has a page that has some findings but is not on IRC so cannot send us the URI. ←
14:29:01 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0087.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0087.html ←
14:30:19 <ShaneM> There are some tests pointed to that will help us evaluate support for this frame architecture in existing user agents.
There are some tests pointed to that will help us evaluate support for this frame architecture in existing user agents. ←
14:31:20 <ShaneM> Roland asks whether we could get more examples up on the wiki and then work through them when Alessio has IRC access.
Roland asks whether we could get more examples up on the wiki and then work through them when Alessio has IRC access. ←
14:31:39 <ShaneM> ACTION: Alessio to put the writeup and examples up on the wiki so we can explore it
ACTION: Alessio to put the writeup and examples up on the wiki so we can explore it ←
14:32:48 <ShaneM> Alessio agrees this is somewhat tricky because we are using scripting to support the model. But we need something to test against.
Alessio agrees this is somewhat tricky because we are using scripting to support the model. But we need something to test against. ←
14:36:04 <ShaneM> TOPIC: XHTML 1.1
14:36:11 <ShaneM> Added inputmode to it
Added inputmode to it ←
14:37:21 <ShaneM> Need a normative definition of the Schema implementation for Ruby. We can include it in the 1.1 draft.
Need a normative definition of the Schema implementation for Ruby. We can include it in the 1.1 draft. ←
14:38:03 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/ ←
14:38:12 <ShaneM> Steven suggests that we tell the Ruby owners to update their spec with the Schema implementation as well.
Steven suggests that we tell the Ruby owners to update their spec with the Schema implementation as well. ←
14:39:29 <ShaneM> ShaneM thinks an update to Ruby would just be a PER. I18N owns the spec, but the spec has an informative link to the DTD implementation now.
ShaneM thinks an update to Ruby would just be a PER. I18N owns the spec, but the spec has an informative link to the DTD implementation now. ←
14:39:52 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/xhtml-ruby-1.mod
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/xhtml-ruby-1.mod ←
14:40:55 <ShaneM> Our impl is at http:/'/www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml-ruby-1.xsd
Our impl is at http:/'/www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml-ruby-1.xsd ←
14:41:10 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven to contact I18N group about updating Ruby.
ACTION: Steven to contact I18N group about updating Ruby. ←
14:41:19 <ShaneM> original action item about updating Ruby complete.
original action item about updating Ruby complete. ←
14:42:22 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-minutes.html#action03
Roland Merrick: ACTION-03">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-03 ←
14:44:01 <ShaneM> Still need that integration set example.... let's see if we can find that.
Still need that integration set example.... let's see if we can find that. ←
14:44:44 <ShaneM> Note that this action is really related to M12N 1.1, not XHTML 1.1 SE
Note that this action is really related to M12N 1.1, not XHTML 1.1 SE ←
14:46:07 <ShaneM> Yam asks if the M12N 1.1 transition effects XHTML Basic 1.1 at all?
Yam asks if the M12N 1.1 transition effects XHTML Basic 1.1 at all? ←
14:46:08 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:46:09 <Zakim> -yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
14:46:09 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:46:10 <ShaneM> No it does not./
No it does not./ ←
14:46:16 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:46:17 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:46:19 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:46:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Alessio, markbirbeck, yamx
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Alessio, markbirbeck, yamx ←
14:46:48 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:46:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
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