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13:33:32 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
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13:33:32 <Zakim> ok, RolandMerrick; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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13:34:23 <RolandMerrick> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:35:03 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:35:22 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:35:59 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0040.html
13:38:16 <Roland> Regrets: Yam
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13:42:42 <Zakim> +Roland
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13:44:28 <alessio> Hi all! today I'm at home so I could connect on IRC too...
Alessio Cartocci: Hi all! today I'm at home so I could connect on IRC too... ←
13:48:08 <Steven> zakim, code?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, code? ←
13:48:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
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13:48:42 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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13:49:25 <alessio> zakim, ??P3 is Alessio
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13:49:25 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
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13:53:49 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
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13:54:13 <Steven> Steven: I think Mark is travelling to the USA
Steven Pemberton: I think Mark is travelling to the USA ←
13:54:29 <Steven> Topic: Reviews
13:54:43 <Steven> Steven: The XML Base review is at the bottom of my todo list at the moment
Steven Pemberton: The XML Base review is at the bottom of my todo list at the moment ←
13:54:48 <Steven> Topic: FtF
13:55:15 <Steven> Roland: The FtF will be a virtual one. I will send out details of times
Roland Merrick: The FtF will be a virtual one. I will send out details of times ←
13:55:23 <Steven> Topic: CURIEs
13:55:32 <Steven> Roland: Is in last call; any comments yet?
Roland Merrick: Is in last call; any comments yet? ←
13:56:38 <Steven> Steven: I got a message the RIF group plans to use CURIE-s in their next charter for what they call presentation syntax. This is not a XML based syntax at all""
Steven Pemberton: I got a message the RIF group plans to use CURIE-s in their next charter for what they call presentation syntax. This is not a XML based syntax at all"" ←
13:57:23 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group ←
13:57:40 <Steven> Topic: Role
13:57:48 <Steven> RolandL We have completed second last call
Roland Merrick: We have completed second last call ←
13:57:54 <Steven> s/L/:/
13:58:15 <Steven> Roland: Shane, you have proposed workding as a response to SVG?
Roland Merrick: Shane, you have proposed workding as a response to SVG? ←
13:58:18 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0050.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0050.html ←
13:58:20 <Steven> Shane: Yes
Shane McCarron: Yes ←
13:59:20 <Steven> ... SVG want more roles that map to text like properties
... SVG want more roles that map to text like properties ←
13:59:35 <Steven> ... I propose we politely decline
... I propose we politely decline ←
13:59:51 <Steven> ... and let them put it in their space if they want it
... and let them put it in their space if they want it ←
14:00:04 <Steven> ... 'cos that's what CURIEs are for
... 'cos that's what CURIEs are for ←
14:00:18 <Steven> ... Mark says that there is an intention that we map elements into roles
... Mark says that there is an intention that we map elements into roles ←
14:00:45 <Steven> ... great discussion to have, but I don't think that needs to be part of our respnse
... great discussion to have, but I don't think that needs to be part of our respnse ←
14:01:11 <Steven> Roland: Agree
Roland Merrick: Agree ←
14:01:17 <Steven> Alessio: Yes
Alessio Cartocci: Yes ←
14:01:36 <Steven> Roland: We disagree that we should add more predefined roles into our space
Roland Merrick: We disagree that we should add more predefined roles into our space ←
14:01:58 <Steven> Steven: Sounds right. I agree with the CURIE comment
Steven Pemberton: Sounds right. I agree with the CURIE comment ←
14:02:22 <Steven> Shane: But they can talk to the WAI people if they want
Shane McCarron: But they can talk to the WAI people if they want ←
14:03:13 <Steven> ROland: Al asked where the normative definition is
Roland Merrick: Al asked where the normative definition is ←
14:03:18 <Steven> s/RO/Ro/
14:03:28 <Steven> Roland: I would prefer it to be in the vocab spec
Roland Merrick: I would prefer it to be in the vocab spec ←
14:03:54 <Steven> Steven: But is the vocab spec normative? I thought not
Steven Pemberton: But is the vocab spec normative? I thought not ←
14:04:01 <Steven> ROland: I would prefer it to be
Roland Merrick: I would prefer it to be ←
14:04:06 <Steven> s/RO/Ro/
14:05:00 <Steven> Roland: Everyone OK with SHane's response
Roland Merrick: Everyone OK with Shane's response ←
14:05:02 <Steven> Steven: Yes
Steven Pemberton: Yes ←
14:05:08 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
14:05:27 <Steven> Shane: In section 3
Shane McCarron: In section 3 ←
14:05:30 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-role-20080407/#s_role_module_attributes
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-role-20080407/#s_role_module_attributes ←
14:05:59 <Steven> Shane: we list some values in our space
Shane McCarron: we list some values in our space ←
14:06:20 <Steven> ... SVG WG says "don't list some"
... SVG WG says "don't list some" ←
14:06:33 <Steven> ... either make it a complete list or make the section informative
... either make it a complete list or make the section informative ←
14:07:00 <Steven> Roland: Fair comment
Roland Merrick: Fair comment ←
14:07:02 <Steven> Shane: Agree
Shane McCarron: Agree ←
14:07:34 <Steven> Roland: We can just have some examples of it being used here
Roland Merrick: We can just have some examples of it being used here ←
14:07:51 <Steven> ... and could include CURIE properties as well
... and could include CURIE properties as well ←
14:07:58 <alessio> true
Alessio Cartocci: true ←
14:08:40 <Steven> Roland: We need to start the vocab doc as a rec track spec
Roland Merrick: We need to start the vocab doc as a rec track spec ←
14:11:12 <Steven> Steven: If we want to make it normative,then it has to be
Steven Pemberton: If we want to make it normative, then it has to be ←
14:11:24 <Steven> s/,t/, t/
14:12:19 <Steven> Steven: But if role refers to vocab, then they have to be in lockstep
Steven Pemberton: But if role refers to vocab, then they have to be in lockstep ←
14:12:36 <Steven> Shane: I disagree with you ROland
Shane McCarron: I disagree with you Roland ←
14:12:51 <Steven> ... I think that that would work, but that it is not necessary, and a bit heavy weight
... I think that that would work, but that it is not necessary, and a bit heavy weight ←
14:12:56 <Steven> s/RO/Ro/
14:13:26 <Steven> Shane: Role is an enabling technology, that uses CURIEs, and we say in XHTML that the default prefix points to the XHTML vocab space
Shane McCarron: Role is an enabling technology, that uses CURIEs, and we say in XHTML that the default prefix points to the XHTML vocab space ←
14:13:37 <Steven> ... for all XHTML CURIEs
... for all XHTML CURIEs ←
14:14:07 <Steven> ... it is fine if we remove values from teh vocab space from the role spec
... it is fine if we remove values from teh vocab space from the role spec ←
14:14:52 <Steven> ... if we remove tham and then make it dependent on another rec track spec, that is a mixture of our and WAI stuff, then I think it will unnecessarily impede role
... if we remove tham and then make it dependent on another rec track spec, that is a mixture of our and WAI stuff, then I think it will unnecessarily impede role ←
14:15:27 <Steven> Roland: So the scope of the role spec is an attribute that allows values to come from different places, and therefore the spec says nothing about those values
Roland Merrick: So the scope of the role spec is an attribute that allows values to come from different places, and therefore the spec says nothing about those values ←
14:15:41 <Steven> ... so we refer from our vocab space to role, but not vice versa
... so we refer from our vocab space to role, but not vice versa ←
14:15:54 <Steven> Steven: I agree
Steven Pemberton: I agree ←
14:16:05 <alessio> me too
Alessio Cartocci: me too ←
14:17:00 <Steven> Roland: So the role spec only illustrates the use of values, but doesn't define any
Roland Merrick: So the role spec only illustrates the use of values, but doesn't define any ←
14:17:13 <Steven> Steven: Sounds good
Steven Pemberton: Sounds good ←
14:17:38 <Steven> Shane: I think SVG WG would be happy with that too, but we need to send the response to be sure
Shane McCarron: I think SVG WG would be happy with that too, but we need to send the response to be sure ←
14:18:55 <Steven> ... I'll reword my response to reflect that
... I'll reword my response to reflect that ←
14:19:17 <Steven> Roland: Will you please reply to Al along those lines as well?
Roland Merrick: Will you please reply to Al along those lines as well? ←
14:19:19 <Steven> Shane: Sure
Shane McCarron: Sure ←
14:19:36 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to reply to Al about the relationship between Role and Vocab specs
ACTION: Shane to reply to Al about the relationship between Role and Vocab specs ←
14:19:52 <Steven> ACTION: SHane to reply to SVG on role
ACTION: Shane to reply to SVG on role ←
14:19:56 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
14:20:05 <Steven> Shane: Then I think that we can transition to CR
Shane McCarron: Then I think that we can transition to CR ←
14:20:32 <Steven> ... we need to figure out the exit criteria for this and access
... we need to figure out the exit criteria for this and access ←
14:20:54 <Steven> ... and the relationship to M12N 1.1
... and the relationship to M12N 1.1 ←
14:21:05 <Steven> ... Ithink Access has a dependency, but not role
... I think Access has a dependency, but not role ←
14:21:15 <Steven> s/Ithink/I think/
14:21:29 <Steven> Topic: M12N transition status
14:21:53 <Steven> Roland: We have a transition call scheduled for 30th May
Roland Merrick: We have a transition call scheduled for 30th May ←
14:25:54 <Steven> Steven: So we need to decide about exit criteria, and to what extent we haven't already achieved them
Steven Pemberton: So we need to decide about exit criteria, and to what extent we haven't already achieved them ←
14:27:17 <ShaneM> The last CR had these:
Shane McCarron: The last CR had these: ←
14:27:17 <ShaneM> W3C is looking for testimonials from users of this specification. Additionally, experience using all of the modules is being sought to create a coverage table of the use of each module. These two criteria are needed to advance this specification to "Proposed Recommendation".
Shane McCarron: W3C is looking for testimonials from users of this specification. Additionally, experience using all of the modules is being sought to create a coverage table of the use of each module. These two criteria are needed to advance this specification to "Proposed Recommendation". ←
14:27:17 <ShaneM>
14:27:17 <ShaneM> Major changes in this version include:
Shane McCarron: Major changes in this version include: ←
14:27:18 <ShaneM>
14:27:20 <ShaneM> * Re-integration of the Building document into this document
Shane McCarron: * Re-integration of the Building document into this document ←
14:27:22 <ShaneM> * Incorporation of the Henry Thompson/Dan Connolly XML Namespace handling process with substantial additions by the Math and HTML working groups
Shane McCarron: * Incorporation of the Henry Thompson/Dan Connolly XML Namespace handling process with substantial additions by the Math and HTML working groups ←
14:27:25 <ShaneM> * Complete worked examples including modules and miniature DTDs.
Shane McCarron: * Complete worked examples including modules and miniature DTDs. ←
14:27:27 <ShaneM> * Minor restructuring of abstract module definitions, including the creation of a "style attribute module", a "name identification module" and a "target" module.
Shane McCarron: * Minor restructuring of abstract module definitions, including the creation of a "style attribute module", a "name identification module" and a "target" module. ←
14:27:30 <ShaneM> * Tweaking of some of the module contents based on review comments
Shane McCarron: * Tweaking of some of the module contents based on review comments ←
14:30:30 <Steven> Shane: We should create a table of usage of the modules like we did for V1.0
Shane McCarron: We should create a table of usage of the modules like we did for V1.0 ←
14:30:52 <Steven> Steven: Mark's language xh uses them
Steven Pemberton: Mark's language xh uses them ←
14:31:22 <Steven> Roland: Our first objective is to achieve CR
Roland Merrick: Our first objective is to achieve CR ←
14:31:35 <Steven> ..., if we achieve that then we can talk about whether we have already reached PR
..., if we achieve that then we can talk about whether we have already reached PR ←
14:35:03 <Steven> Steven: We also need to remind them about the history:
Steven Pemberton: We also need to remind them about the history: ←
14:35:15 <Steven> ... V1 was with DTDs and an empty appendix for schemas
... V1 was with DTDs and an empty appendix for schemas ←
14:35:37 <Steven> ... we produced the schemas independently, and wanted to merge the two specs as a PER, but got push back
... we produced the schemas independently, and wanted to merge the two specs as a PER, but got push back ←
14:35:45 <Steven> ... so were asked to renumber
... so were asked to renumber ←
14:36:11 <Steven> ... but really it is like the DOM with a binding for, say, javascript, and then we add a binding for, say, Python
... but really it is like the DOM with a binding for, say, javascript, and then we add a binding for, say, Python ←
14:36:15 <Steven> ... nothing has changed
... nothing has changed ←
14:36:25 <Steven> ... it really is the same version
... it really is the same version ←
14:36:59 <Steven> Roland: We'll do a checkpoint next Wednesday
Roland Merrick: We'll do a checkpoint next Wednesday ←
14:38:19 <Steven> Topic: Response to TAG on Media types
14:38:36 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0065.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0065.html ←
14:38:59 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0067.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0067.html ←
14:40:17 <Steven> Shane: I made the case privately to Noah that we don't believe the media type needs changing
Shane McCarron: I made the case privately to Noah that we don't believe the media type needs changing ←
14:40:26 <Steven> ... which is consistent with your wording Steven
... which is consistent with your wording Steven ←
14:41:35 <Steven> Steven: My reply says that the XHTML spec says what you can do with it
Steven Pemberton: My reply says that the XHTML spec says what you can do with it ←
14:41:40 <Steven> ... not the media type
... not the media type ←
14:43:04 <Steven> Shane: I asked them personally what they think, since TIm believes it's OK, but I don't know what the TAG as a whole thinks
Shane McCarron: I asked them personally what they think, since TIm believes it's OK, but I don't know what the TAG as a whole thinks ←
14:43:41 <Steven> Steven: So do we send the message?
Steven Pemberton: So do we send the message? ←
14:44:17 <Steven> Shane: Since you are responding to the document, that section talks about HTML, I think we should tell them that it is about XHTML
Shane McCarron: Since you are responding to the document, that section talks about HTML, I think we should tell them that it is about XHTML ←
14:44:45 <Steven> ... if they say yes, but we want it to work for HTML too, that's fine, because that's not on opur charter
... if they say yes, but we want it to work for HTML too, that's fine, because that's not on our charter ←
14:44:51 <Steven> s/opur/our/
14:44:57 <Steven> ROland: I agree
Roland Merrick: I agree ←
14:45:03 <Steven> s/RO/Ro/
14:45:12 <alessio> +1
Alessio Cartocci: +1 ←
14:45:17 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to send TAG response, with addition of XHTML comment
ACTION: Steven to send TAG response, with addition of XHTML comment ←
14:45:39 <Steven> Topic: Document cahracter set
14:46:55 <Roland> s/cahracter/character/
14:47:14 <Steven> Shane: Could you Steven send references to the fact that all HTML and XML docs are in Unicode
Shane McCarron: Could you Steven send references to the fact that all HTML and XML docs are in Unicode ←
14:47:17 <Steven> Steven: Yes
Steven Pemberton: Yes ←
14:47:18 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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14:47:26 <Zakim> -Roland
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14:47:28 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:47:29 <Zakim> -Alessio
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14:47:29 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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14:47:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Alessio
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14:47:35 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to send a reference to Unicode as document character set
ACTION: Steven to send a reference to Unicode as document character set ←
14:48:36 <Steven> Present+Tina
Present+Tina ←
14:48:44 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:48:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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14:49:01 <alessio> about the <object> tests, do you want talk about it next week?
Alessio Cartocci: about the <object> tests, do you want talk about it next week? ←
14:49:06 <Steven> rrsagent, list actions
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14:49:06 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-actions.rdf :
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14:49:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to reply to Al about the relationship between Role and Vocab specs [1]
ACTION: Shane to reply to Al about the relationship between Role and Vocab specs [1] ←
14:49:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-19-36
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-19-36 ←
14:49:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SHane to reply to SVG on role [2]
ACTION: SHane to reply to SVG on role [2] ←
14:49:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-19-52
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14:49:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to send TAG response, with addition of XHTML comment [3]
ACTION: Steven to send TAG response, with addition of XHTML comment [3] ←
14:49:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-45-17
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-45-17 ←
14:49:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to send a reference to Unicode as document character set [4]
ACTION: Steven to send a reference to Unicode as document character set [4] ←
14:49:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-47-35
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14:52:31 <alessio> maybe I'll implement the aria-live attribute on that
Alessio Cartocci: maybe I'll implement the aria-live attribute on that ←
16:13:26 <Steven> Bye zakim
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16:13:35 <Steven> rrsagent, bye
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16:13:35 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-actions.rdf :
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16:13:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to reply to Al about the relationship between Role and Vocab specs [1]
ACTION: Shane to reply to Al about the relationship between Role and Vocab specs [1] ←
16:13:35 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-19-36
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-19-36 ←
16:13:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SHane to reply to SVG on role [2]
ACTION: SHane to reply to SVG on role [2] ←
16:13:35 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-19-52
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16:13:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to send TAG response, with addition of XHTML comment [3]
ACTION: Steven to send TAG response, with addition of XHTML comment [3] ←
16:13:35 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-45-17
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16:13:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to send a reference to Unicode as document character set [4]
ACTION: Steven to send a reference to Unicode as document character set [4] ←
16:13:35 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-irc#T14-47-35
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