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13:56:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-irc ←
13:56:25 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:56:31 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:56:31 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes ←
13:56:49 <Steven> zakim, feature request
Steven Pemberton: zakim, feature request ←
13:56:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'feature request', Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'feature request', Steven ←
13:59:52 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has now started ←
13:59:59 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
14:00:35 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 Weekly Teleconference
14:00:38 <Steven> Chair: Roland
14:00:46 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:00:46 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
14:00:47 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:01:19 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
14:01:26 <yamx> zakim, ?P7 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ?P7 is yamx ←
14:01:26 <Zakim> sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P7'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P7' ←
14:01:36 <yamx> zakim, ??P7 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P7 is yamx ←
14:01:36 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
14:01:53 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036
14:01:58 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036 ←
14:02:32 <ShaneM_> zakim, code
Shane McCarron: zakim, code ←
14:02:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', ShaneM_
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'code', ShaneM_ ←
14:03:07 <ShaneM_> zakim, what is the code
Shane McCarron: zakim, what is the code ←
14:03:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is the code', ShaneM_
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'what is the code', ShaneM_ ←
14:03:18 <Steven> FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF
Steven Pemberton: FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF ←
14:03:27 <Steven> zakim, code?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, code? ←
14:03:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven ←
14:03:36 <Steven> Zakim loves question marks
Steven Pemberton: Zakim loves question marks ←
14:03:44 <ShaneM_> zakim sucks
Shane McCarron: zakim sucks ←
14:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.763.767.aaaa ←
14:04:14 <ShaneM_> zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_
Shane McCarron: zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_ ←
14:04:14 <Zakim> +ShaneM_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM_; got it ←
14:04:18 <Steven> I think it ought to be more accepting of questions without the marks
Steven Pemberton: I think it ought to be more accepting of questions without the marks ←
14:04:30 <Zakim> +gshults
Zakim IRC Bot: +gshults ←
14:04:46 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults ←
14:04:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio, markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh ←
14:05:03 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:06:59 <Steven> Regrets: Gregory
14:07:36 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:07:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
14:08:11 <Steven> Topic: Announcements
14:10:25 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
14:10:43 <Steven> Steven: I read the selectors API spec
Steven Pemberton: I read the selectors API spec ←
14:10:46 <Steven> ... no real comments
... no real comments ←
14:10:55 <Zakim> -??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P10 ←
14:11:01 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to send response on selctors API
ACTION: Steven to send response on selctors API ←
14:11:37 <Steven> FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF
FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF ←
14:11:43 <Steven> Topic: FtF
14:12:29 <Steven> Steven: Please fill in the form even if you can't come
Steven Pemberton: Please fill in the form even if you can't come ←
14:12:55 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
14:12:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
14:13:17 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
14:13:22 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
14:13:22 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
14:14:07 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
14:14:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck ←
14:14:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh ←
14:14:27 <Steven> Yam: Do we really have a three day agenda?
Toshihiko Yamakami: Do we really have a three day agenda? ←
14:14:37 <Steven> Roland: I definitely think there is 3 days of work on XHTML2
Roland Merrick: I definitely think there is 3 days of work on XHTML2 ←
14:14:48 <Steven> ... and there is surelky other work to do
... and there is surelky other work to do ←
14:15:51 <Steven> Gerrie: Will ther eonly be IRC?
Gerrie Shults: Will ther eonly be IRC? ←
14:15:57 <Steven> Steven: Also Skype to my id
Steven Pemberton: Also Skype to my id ←
14:16:12 <Steven> Topic: ARIA
14:16:24 <Steven> Roland: Neither RIck or Gregory here today
Roland Merrick: Neither RIck or Gregory here today ←
14:16:30 <Steven> Steven: I was expecting Rich today
Steven Pemberton: I was expecting Rich today ←
14:16:56 <Steven> Roland: He had sent regrets for the last weeks, maybe he's travelling
Roland Merrick: He had sent regrets for the last weeks, maybe he's travelling ←
14:17:01 <Steven> Topic: M12N
14:17:13 <Steven> Steven: I have sent the transition request off, so it's in the pipeline
Steven Pemberton: I have sent the transition request off, so it's in the pipeline ←
14:17:19 <Steven> Topic: RDFa
14:17:34 <Steven> Roland: Shane has pointed out the new draft on the Drafts page
Roland Merrick: Shane has pointed out the new draft on the Drafts page ←
14:17:56 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax ←
14:18:06 <Steven> Shane: Lots of changing, all diff marked
Shane McCarron: Lots of changing, all diff marked ←
14:18:15 <Steven> ... we need to resolve to send it to last call
... we need to resolve to send it to last call ←
14:18:31 <Steven> ... there is an issue we have to take a decision on
... there is an issue we have to take a decision on ←
14:19:04 <Steven> ... we used values for @rel and @property from
... we used values for @rel and @property from ←
14:19:14 <Steven> ... XHTML2
... XHTML2 ←
14:19:22 <Steven> ... and these are enumerated in the spec
... and these are enumerated in the spec ←
14:19:37 <alessio> sorry but I'm having serious trouble in connection, trying to rejoin
Alessio Cartocci: sorry but I'm having serious trouble in connection, trying to rejoin ←
14:20:11 <Steven> ... the chair of the TF has said that it is our decision about extending these
... the chair of the TF has said that it is our decision about extending these ←
14:20:25 <Steven> Shane: This is section 9
Shane McCarron: This is section 9 ←
14:20:43 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes ←
14:21:24 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
14:21:53 <alessio> zakim, +P11 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, +P11 is Alessio ←
14:21:53 <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P11'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P11' ←
14:21:58 <alessio> zakim, +??P11 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, +??P11 is Alessio ←
14:21:58 <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11' ←
14:22:08 <alessio> zakim, ??P11 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P11 is Alessio ←
14:22:08 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:23:14 <Steven> Steven: We are grandfathering them in from XHTML1
Steven Pemberton: We are grandfathering them in from XHTML1 ←
14:25:20 <ShaneM_> there is an issue with the use of non-xhtml defined values (e.g., nofollow) - since these values are not defined they will not by default generate triples in XHTML+RDFa
Shane McCarron: there is an issue with the use of non-xhtml defined values (e.g., nofollow) - since these values are not defined they will not by default generate triples in XHTML+RDFa ←
14:26:25 <Steven> Steven: The only problem area is when peoiple use values outside this list
Steven Pemberton: The only problem area is when peoiple use values outside this list ←
14:26:29 <Steven> ... such as nofoloow
... such as nofoloow ←
14:26:43 <Steven> s/nofolooe/nofollow/
s/nofolooe/nofollow/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:27:03 <Steven> Shane: Traditionally you can use other values if you use @profile
Shane McCarron: Traditionally you can use other values if you use @profile ←
14:27:08 <Steven> Roland: Any other comments?
Roland Merrick: Any other comments? ←
14:27:19 <Steven> Shane: There is as yet no schema implementation
Shane McCarron: There is as yet no schema implementation ←
14:28:40 <Steven> ... but there is no problem with adding a schema later
... but there is no problem with adding a schema later ←
14:29:07 <Steven> Roland: Who do we want to comment on it at last call?
Roland Merrick: Who do we want to comment on it at last call? ←
14:31:06 <Steven> Steven: We can ask at HCG if HTML5 are interested. DanC is chair, and he has interest
Steven Pemberton: We can ask at HCG if HTML5 are interested. DanC is chair, and he has interest ←
14:31:52 <Steven> Mark: The Semweb people are going to vote to take this to LC on 9th Feb
Mark Birbeck: The Semweb people are going to vote to take this to LC on 9th Feb ←
14:32:00 <Steven> ... if we can match that that would be good
... if we can match that that would be good ←
14:33:49 <gshults> I do not
Gerrie Shults: I do not ←
14:34:16 <Steven> Steven: Since this document is produced by people from this group I would propoise that we take this as a recomendation to go to last call, and that anyone who wants more time should speak up now, otherwise we resolve
Steven Pemberton: Since this document is produced by people from this group I would propoise that we take this as a recomendation to go to last call, and that anyone who wants more time should speak up now, otherwise we resolve ←
14:34:26 <Steven> Roland: Let's make that resolution next wekk
Roland Merrick: Let's make that resolution next wekk ←
14:34:37 <Steven> ... this is due warning for people to review it this week
... this is due warning for people to review it this week ←
14:34:46 <Steven> s.wekk/week/
s.wekk/week/ ←
14:35:09 <Steven> Topic: XHTML 1.1 SE
14:35:18 <Steven> Roland: Any change on this?
Roland Merrick: Any change on this? ←
14:35:24 <Steven> ... We talked about it last week\
... We talked about it last week\ ←
14:35:33 <Steven> Shane: I update the draft
Shane McCarron: I update the draft ←
14:35:56 <Steven> Roland: so we are just waiting on M12N
Roland Merrick: so we are just waiting on M12N ←
14:36:27 <Steven> Topic: Bug in Basic
14:36:29 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0029.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0029.html ←
14:37:00 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to check
ACTION: Shane to check bug in Basic 1.1 ←
14:37:12 <Steven> s/check/check bug in Basic 1.1/
14:37:51 <Steven> Shane: hr is Basic right?
Shane McCarron: hr is Basic right? ←
14:37:54 <Steven> Steven: Yes
Steven Pemberton: Yes ←
14:38:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:38:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
14:39:03 <Steven> Topic: Role comments
14:39:22 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0032.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0032.html ←
14:42:12 <Steven> Steven: We don't require a DTD, jsut M12n
Steven Pemberton: We don't require a DTD, jsut M12n ←
14:42:34 <Steven> Shane: You have to interface to one of our normative implementations of M12N, so that includes DTD
Shane McCarron: You have to interface to one of our normative implementations of M12N, so that includes DTD ←
14:42:53 <Steven> Steven: How about: "XHTML doesn't
Steven Pemberton: How about: "XHTML doesn't ←
14:42:53 <Steven> > really envision the idea of adding attributes to a document after it is
> really envision the idea of adding attributes to a document after it is ←
14:42:53 <Steven> > loaded (after DOMready or the LOAD event fires)."
> loaded (after DOMready or the LOAD event fires)." ←
14:42:58 <Steven> Steven: Do we agree?
Steven Pemberton: Do we agree? ←
14:43:02 <Steven> Roland: No
Roland Merrick: No ←
14:49:03 <Steven> Shane: We don't say anything about it
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Shane McCarron: We don't say anything about it ←
14:49:14 <Steven> Steven: But it is part of the real world expectations of XHTML
Steven Pemberton: But it is part of the real world expectations of XHTML ←
14:51:25 <Steven> ... I don't think any spec requires the DOM tree to remain conformant wit the DTD/schema
... I don't think any spec requires the DOM tree to remain conformant wit the DTD/schema ←
14:56:18 <Steven> Steven: I see now. He is interpreting this as a syntax+DOM spec. BUt it is actually just a syntax spec
Steven Pemberton: I see now. He is interpreting this as a syntax+DOM spec. BUt it is actually just a syntax spec ←
14:56:35 <Steven> Shane: Another question he has, about what happens when role has more than one value
Shane McCarron: Another question he has, about what happens when role has more than one value ←
15:01:13 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
15:01:41 <Steven> ... and about non-prefixed values that aren;'t in our set
... and about non-prefixed values that aren;'t in our set ←
15:02:47 <Steven> Steven: Either leave it to the host languag, or require it to be ignored
Steven Pemberton: Either leave it to the host languag, or require it to be ignored ←
15:03:02 <Steven> ... and if we make a decision we have to add it to the spec
... and if we make a decision we have to add it to the spec ←
15:03:26 <Steven> Steven: We ignore similar rel values don't we?
Steven Pemberton: We ignore similar rel values don't we? ←
15:03:30 <Steven> Mark: We do now
Mark Birbeck: We do now ←
15:03:39 <markbirbeck> rel ::= (linktype | CURIE)*
Mark Birbeck: rel ::= (linktype | CURIE)* ←
15:04:15 <Steven> Steven: We may as well do the same for role
Steven Pemberton: We may as well do the same for role ←
15:04:44 <Steven> ... it would be consistent
... it would be consistent ←
15:04:54 <Steven> Mark: They should come from the same taxonomy
Mark Birbeck: They should come from the same taxonomy ←
15:05:09 <Steven> ... since a role ccould have a rel value
... since a role could have a rel value ←
15:05:16 <Steven> s/cc/c/
15:06:10 <Steven> RESOLUTION: non prefixed role values not in the standard list should be ignored
RESOLVED: non prefixed role values not in the standard list should be ignored ←
15:06:10 <Zakim> -ShaneM_
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM_ ←
15:06:11 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
15:06:12 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
15:06:13 <Zakim> -gshults
Zakim IRC Bot: -gshults ←
15:06:17 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:06:20 <Zakim> -yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
15:06:22 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended ←
15:06:23 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, yamx, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck, Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, Steven, yamx, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck, Alessio ←
15:06:39 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:06:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
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