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Weekly XHTML2WG Teleconference

Minutes of 31 October 2007

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0130
Seen
Mark Birbeck, Richard Schwerdtfeger, Roland Merrick, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Toshihiko Yamakami, Unknown Gregory_Rosmaita, Unknown oedipus, Unknown yamx
Chair
Steven Pemberton
Scribe
Mark Birbeck
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Publish an FPWD of the Access Module. link
  2. Publish a new draft of XML Events 2. link
  3. Publish a new draft of the CURIEs specification. link
Topics

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13:06:13 <Steven> zakim, this willb e xhtml

Steven Pemberton: zakim, this willb e xhtml

13:06:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this willb e xhtml', Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this willb e xhtml', Steven

13:06:21 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml

Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml

13:06:22 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 54 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 54 minutes

13:06:32 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public

13:06:43 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2WG Teleconference
13:07:51 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0130
13:08:02 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0130

Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0130

14:00:13 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started

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14:00:20 <Zakim> +Roland

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland

14:01:53 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617

14:01:56 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

14:01:58 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

14:01:59 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?

Mark Birbeck: zakim, codes?

14:02:08 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here?

14:02:14 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.

14:02:18 <Steven> zakim, code?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, code?

14:02:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, Steven

14:02:23 <markbirbeck> :)

Mark Birbeck: :)

14:02:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven

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14:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, RRSAgent, Zakim, markbirbeck, Steven, myakura, Roland, Lachy_, ShaneM, krijnh

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, RRSAgent, Zakim, markbirbeck, Steven, myakura, Roland, Lachy_, ShaneM, krijnh

14:03:30 <Zakim> +??P2

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14:03:38 <yamx> zakim, ??p2 is yamx

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Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: zakim, ??p2 is yamx

14:03:53 <Zakim> +yamx; got it

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14:04:15 <Zakim> +??P9

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14:06:07 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita

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14:08:03 <Steven> zakim, ??p9 is Rich

Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??p9 is Rich

14:08:03 <Zakim> +Rich; got it

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14:09:45 <Zakim> +McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: +McCarron

14:11:06 <Steven> markbirbeck, are you coming?

Steven Pemberton: markbirbeck, are you coming?

14:11:14 <markbirbeck> one moment

Mark Birbeck: one moment

14:13:44 <Zakim> +markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck

14:14:02 <Zakim> -McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: -McCarron

14:14:42 <Steven> scribenick: markbirbeck

(Scribe set to Mark Birbeck)

14:15:00 <Steven> Topic: Announcements

1. Announcements

14:15:19 <markbirbeck> Chair: Steven
14:15:57 <markbirbeck> Steven: FtF next week. Only Roland and Steven there for the XHTML part.

Steven Pemberton: FtF next week. Only Roland and Steven there for the XHTML part.

14:16:13 <markbirbeck> ...no call next week, due to the Tech Plenary day.

...no call next week, due to the Tech Plenary day.

14:16:59 <oedipus> GJR in EDT/EST - no problem with moving an hour earlier

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Unknown oedipus: GJR in EDT/EST - no problem with moving an hour earlier

14:17:05 <markbirbeck> ...would anyone object to having the call an hour earlier to better accommodate Yam in the Japan timezone?

...would anyone object to having the call an hour earlier to better accommodate Yam in the Japan timezone?

14:17:53 <markbirbeck> ...Shane would have the biggest problem, so need to check with him.

...Shane would have the biggest problem, so need to check with him.

14:18:15 <Zakim> +McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: +McCarron

14:18:21 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Steven to send message to the group asking if everyone is ok to move the call to one hour earlier.

ACTION: Steven to send message to the group asking if everyone is ok to move the call to one hour earlier.

14:19:05 <markbirbeck> (Shane was ok with the move, but Steven will still send the message.)

(Shane was ok with the move, but Steven will still send the message.)

14:19:12 <markbirbeck> Topic: Reports

2. Reports

14:19:29 <markbirbeck> Steven: Points out that XForms 3e is out.

Steven Pemberton: Points out that XForms 3e is out.

14:19:39 <markbirbeck> Topic: Reviews

3. Reviews

14:20:22 <markbirbeck> Steven: The new ITS Best Practices draft is out.

Steven Pemberton: The new ITS Best Practices draft is out.

14:20:39 <markbirbeck> Topic: Formal resolutions for publishing documents

4. Formal resolutions for publishing documents

14:21:09 <markbirbeck> Steven: Need to formally resolve a few things that we informally resolved last week.

Steven Pemberton: Need to formally resolve a few things that we informally resolved last week.

14:21:17 <oedipus> GJR plus one to access module

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Unknown oedipus: GJR plus one to access module

14:21:27 <markbirbeck> RESOLUTION: Publish an FPWD of the Access Module.

RESOLVED: Publish an FPWD of the Access Module.

14:22:35 <markbirbeck> Shane: There are three or four LC comments about @role not being chameleon. If we think that @role should be portable then we will probably do the same for @access, and we should resolve that before we finalise @access.

Shane McCarron: There are three or four LC comments about @role not being chameleon. If we think that @role should be portable then we will probably do the same for @access, and we should resolve that before we finalise @access.

14:22:59 <markbirbeck> RESOLUTION: Publish a new draft of XML Events 2.

RESOLVED: Publish a new draft of XML Events 2.

14:23:26 <markbirbeck> RESOLUTION: Publish a new draft of the CURIEs specification.

RESOLVED: Publish a new draft of the CURIEs specification.

14:24:30 <markbirbeck> Topic: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1

5. Testing XHTML Basic 1.1

14:24:51 <markbirbeck> Steven: Don't recall our resolution. Yam, is it the case that testing is not guaranteed this year?

Steven Pemberton: Don't recall our resolution. Yam, is it the case that testing is not guaranteed this year?

14:28:33 <markbirbeck> Yam: Problem is that there is no _public_ implementation that supports everything.

Toshihiko Yamakami: Problem is that there is no _public_ implementation that supports everything.

14:28:48 <markbirbeck> Steven: It may be possible to test internally and produce a report.

Steven Pemberton: It may be possible to test internally and produce a report.

14:29:16 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Yam will talk to his company's technical manager about doing internal testing to validate the implementation of XHTML Basic 1.1.

ACTION: Yam will talk to his company's technical manager about doing internal testing to validate the implementation of XHTML Basic 1.1.

14:29:33 <markbirbeck> Topic: Role last call issues

6. Role last call issues

14:29:44 <markbirbeck> Steven: Shane?

Steven Pemberton: Shane?

14:29:49 <markbirbeck> Shane: Driving.

Shane McCarron: Driving.

14:29:52 <markbirbeck> Steven: Ok.

Steven Pemberton: Ok.

14:30:47 <markbirbeck> Shane: There are a few issues, but the one that we should focus on is the question of namespacing.

Shane McCarron: There are a few issues, but the one that we should focus on is the question of namespacing.

14:30:47 <Steven> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/RoleAttrib?user=guest;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1

Steven Pemberton: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/RoleAttrib?user=guest;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1

14:31:03 <oedipus> GJR notes there are 5 LC comments on Role in public-xhtml2 archives

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Unknown oedipus: GJR notes there are 5 LC comments on Role in public-xhtml2 archives

14:31:07 <markbirbeck> ...I am not convinced that we explicitly decided not to allow @role in other namespaces.

...I am not convinced that we explicitly decided not to allow @role in other namespaces.

14:31:13 <markbirbeck> ...I think it just ended up like that.

...I think it just ended up like that.

14:31:35 <markbirbeck> ...If everyone thinks that @role should be chameleon, then it's just my mistake, and we should just fix it.

...If everyone thinks that @role should be chameleon, then it's just my mistake, and we should just fix it.

14:31:53 <markbirbeck> ...Although it then raises the question of what it would mean to fix it.

...Although it then raises the question of what it would mean to fix it.

14:32:12 <markbirbeck> ...One objection thinks it should be in no namespace, for example.

...One objection thinks it should be in no namespace, for example.

14:32:29 <markbirbeck> Steven: No particular reason that it should be in any particular namespace.

Steven Pemberton: No particular reason that it should be in any particular namespace.

14:32:48 <markbirbeck> ...There are two sorts of attributes, aren't there?

...There are two sorts of attributes, aren't there?

14:33:06 <markbirbeck> ...There is the attribute that can go on any HTML element, and then there is the global attribute.

...There is the attribute that can go on any HTML element, and then there is the global attribute.

14:33:25 <markbirbeck> Shane: What exactly do you mean by a global attribute?

Shane McCarron: What exactly do you mean by a global attribute?

14:33:45 <markbirbeck> Steven: An example would be @ev:event, which can be used anywhere.

Steven Pemberton: An example would be @ev:event, which can be used anywhere.

14:34:36 <markbirbeck> ...A lot of people misunderstand that you can have <a x:b="..." b="..." /> and the two attributes are completely different.

...A lot of people misunderstand that you can have <a x:b="..." b="..." /> and the two attributes are completely different.

14:35:12 <markbirbeck> ...If we had @xh:role then we could put that in any position in any XML document.

...If we had @xh:role then we could put that in any position in any XML document.

14:35:33 <markbirbeck> ...But with @role, that would be an attribute that is in the language of the element that contains it.

...But with @role, that would be an attribute that is in the language of the element that contains it.

14:36:03 <markbirbeck> Shane: We don't have global attributes.

Shane McCarron: We don't have global attributes.

14:36:26 <markbirbeck> ...We have attributes that can be imported into another host language, by inclusion.

...We have attributes that can be imported into another host language, by inclusion.

14:37:03 <markbirbeck> ...We say that if some other language were to us one of 'our' attributes in its prefixed form, it must have the same meaning as the unprefixed version in XHTML.

...We say that if some other language were to us one of 'our' attributes in its prefixed form, it must have the same meaning as the unprefixed version in XHTML.

14:37:40 <markbirbeck> ...e.g., <svg:rect xh:role="wai:checkbox">...</svg:rect>

...e.g., <svg:rect xh:role="wai:checkbox">...</svg:rect>

14:38:00 <markbirbeck> ...we currently say that they can't say @role="...".

...we currently say that they can't say @role="...".

14:38:07 <markbirbeck> Steven: Unless they say so. :)

Steven Pemberton: Unless they say so. :)

14:38:39 <markbirbeck> ...i.e., there is nothing to stop a language importing @role and saying that it means the same thing as xh:role.

...i.e., there is nothing to stop a language importing @role and saying that it means the same thing as xh:role.

14:39:10 <markbirbeck> Shane: Shouldn't we enforce that they don't use both?

Shane McCarron: Shouldn't we enforce that they don't use both?

14:39:22 <markbirbeck> Mark: Isn't that up to the language designers?

Mark Birbeck: Isn't that up to the language designers?

14:39:52 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FaceToFace

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FaceToFace

14:43:29 <markbirbeck> Mark: The bigger problem is that there is pressure to create global attributes without understanding the mechanism.

Mark Birbeck: The bigger problem is that there is pressure to create global attributes without understanding the mechanism.

14:44:15 <markbirbeck> ...I would propose that we 'reserve' @xh-role and @xh:role for external consumption, and @role for XHTML.

...I would propose that we 'reserve' @xh-role and @xh:role for external consumption, and @role for XHTML.

14:44:25 <markbirbeck> ...The latter may just 'fade away'.

...The latter may just 'fade away'.

14:45:04 <markbirbeck> Steven: Modularisation allows anyone to use our attributes in any way they want, right?

Steven Pemberton: Modularisation allows anyone to use our attributes in any way they want, right?

14:45:23 <markbirbeck> Shane: True that DTDs and schemas don't prevent this, but our prose does.

Shane McCarron: True that DTDs and schemas don't prevent this, but our prose does.

14:45:49 <markbirbeck> ...So if we want to make this decision that is fine, but we should do it now, and for all of the attributes.

...So if we want to make this decision that is fine, but we should do it now, and for all of the attributes.

14:46:45 <markbirbeck> Steven: Reads from current prose.

Steven Pemberton: Reads from current prose.

14:46:55 <Steven> "The schema that defines the document type MAY define additional elements and attributes. However, these MUST be in their own XML namespace [XMLNAMES]. If additional elements are defined by a module, the attributes defined in included XHTML modules are available for use on those elements, but MUST be referenced using their namespace-qualified identifier (e.g., xhtml:class). The semantics of the attributes remain the same as when used on an XHTML-namespace eleme

Steven Pemberton: "The schema that defines the document type MAY define additional elements and attributes. However, these MUST be in their own XML namespace [XMLNAMES]. If additional elements are defined by a module, the attributes defined in included XHTML modules are available for use on those elements, but MUST be referenced using their namespace-qualified identifier (e.g., xhtml:class). The semantics of the attributes remain the same as when used on an XHTML-namespace eleme

14:47:04 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/conformance.html#s_integration_document_type

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/conformance.html#s_integration_document_type

14:47:29 <markbirbeck> Shane: Reinforces the point that the reason for having the prefixed value is so that a parser can grab @xh:role without needing a schema.

Shane McCarron: Reinforces the point that the reason for having the prefixed value is so that a parser can grab @xh:role without needing a schema.

14:47:41 <markbirbeck> ...I.e., the meaning is always the same.

...I.e., the meaning is always the same.

14:48:18 <markbirbeck> ...The change would be to remove the MUST from the clause just quoted.

...The change would be to remove the MUST from the clause just quoted.

14:48:49 <markbirbeck> Steven: So is the last call comment essentially about modularisation?

Steven Pemberton: So is the last call comment essentially about modularisation?

14:48:59 <markbirbeck> Shane: Sort of...but it is about this document.

Shane McCarron: Sort of...but it is about this document.

14:50:21 <Zakim> -McCarron

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14:50:22 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM

14:54:04 <oedipus> all too typical an attitude blocking real dialog expressed in:

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Unknown oedipus: all too typical an attitude blocking real dialog expressed in:

14:54:04 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Oct/0388.html

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Unknown oedipus: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Oct/0388.html

14:55:40 <markbirbeck> Mark: Think that we _should_ loosen the restriction, but also add @xh-role.

Mark Birbeck: Think that we _should_ loosen the restriction, but also add @xh-role.

14:55:57 <markbirbeck> ...i.e., you have @role, @xh:role and @xh-role.

...i.e., you have @role, @xh:role and @xh-role.

14:56:06 <markbirbeck> Various disagreements. :)

Various disagreements. :)

15:00:08 <ShaneM>  FYI: XML Events 2 says the following right now:  Chameleon Namespace

Shane McCarron: FYI: XML Events 2 says the following right now: Chameleon Namespace

15:00:08 <ShaneM> This draft alludes to supporting "chameleon" use of event elements and attributes. It is not clear that this is easily supportable by implementors. It may be that these elements and attributes must be in their own namespace.

Shane McCarron: This draft alludes to supporting "chameleon" use of event elements and attributes. It is not clear that this is easily supportable by implementors. It may be that these elements and attributes must be in their own namespace.

15:01:03 <oedipus> GJR: PF Request for addition of "title" as a predefined role:

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Unknown GJR: PF Request for addition of "title" as a predefined role: [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ]

15:01:03 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0123.html

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Unknown oedipus: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0123.html

15:02:37 <oedipus> GJR: may not be able to physically attend due to medical issues, but would be happy to participate in a call-in

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Unknown GJR: may not be able to physically attend due to medical issues, but would be happy to participate in a call-in [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ]

15:03:23 <Rich> dropping off now

Richard Schwerdtfeger: dropping off now

15:03:32 <Zakim> -Rich

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich

15:03:52 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

15:04:01 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Steven to propose to group that we meet by phone during the TP, possibly Thursday afternoon, or some time on Friday.

ACTION: Steven to propose to group that we meet by phone during the TP, possibly Thursday afternoon, or some time on Friday.

15:04:02 <Zakim> -Roland

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland

15:04:03 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

15:04:03 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita

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15:04:05 <Zakim> -yamx

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Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx

15:04:07 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

15:04:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, yamx, Gregory_Rosmaita, Rich, McCarron, markbirbeck, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, Steven, yamx, Gregory_Rosmaita, Rich, McCarron, markbirbeck, ShaneM

15:28:37 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes

15:28:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-xhtml-minutes.html Steven



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