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XHTML2 Working Group

Minutes of 26 September 2007

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0015.html
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Alessio Cartocci, Mark Birbeck, Richard Schwerdtfeger, Roland Merrick, Shane McCarron, Unknown yamx
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  1. The default prefix for CURIEs in XHTML family markup languages should be 'http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#' link
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14:06:34 <ShaneM> zakim, this is XHTML2

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14:08:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, RRSAgent, ShaneM, yamx, alessio, Roland_, myakura, Lachy, krijnh

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14:08:36 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM

(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)

14:08:47 <Roland_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0015.html
14:09:06 <alessio> zakim, ??P18 is Alessio

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14:09:06 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

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14:09:19 <ShaneM> Topic: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1

1. Testing XHTML Basic 1.1

14:09:36 <yamx> zakim ??P19 is me (maybe)

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14:09:49 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0035

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0035

14:09:50 <markbirbeck> zakim, ? is yamx

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14:09:50 <Zakim> +yamx; got it

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14:10:28 <ShaneM> Yam reports that OMA testfest 20 was held 2nd week of september.  He could not find the test results.  He needs to check whether the results are just not available yet or whether they were not done.

Yam reports that OMA testfest 20 was held 2nd week of september. He could not find the test results. He needs to check whether the results are just not available yet or whether they were not done.

14:10:48 <ShaneM> ACTION: Yam to report on testfest status

ACTION: Yam to report on testfest status

14:11:47 <yamx> TestFest20 (OMA) was Sep 7 to Sep 14.

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14:12:52 <Zakim> +??P8

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14:13:13 <Rich> Zakim, ??P8 is Rich

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14:13:22 <Roland_> XHTML Events 2 issues

Roland Merrick: XHTML Events 2 issues

14:13:22 <Roland_> Mark.B has an action to deal with XML 2 events issues from John.Boyer

Roland Merrick: Mark.B has an action to deal with XML 2 events issues from John.Boyer

14:13:27 <Roland_> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/29-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]

Roland Merrick: ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/29-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-02]

14:16:21 <Roland_> Caption positioning & binding example using WAI-ARIA markup

Roland Merrick: Caption positioning & binding example using WAI-ARIA markup

14:16:22 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0012

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0012

14:16:37 <Roland_> Why is this an agenda item?

Roland Merrick: Why is this an agenda item?

14:18:58 <ShaneM> ACTION: Rich to sort out the proposal from Gregory as captured in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007May/0341.html

ACTION: Rich to sort out the proposal from Gregory as captured in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007May/0341.html

14:22:00 <ShaneM> TOPIC: Role and Access

2. Role and Access

14:23:06 <ShaneM> Steven has made the request for Role to go to last call.

Steven has made the request for Role to go to last call.

14:24:03 <ShaneM> TOPIC: longdesc

3. longdesc

14:24:30 <ShaneM> We don't really know the context of this.  Roland will figure out what this issue really is?

We don't really know the context of this. Roland will figure out what this issue really is?

14:24:34 <ShaneM> TOPIC: CURIES

4. CURIES

14:25:35 <ShaneM> All issues raised about CURIEs have been addressed.

All issues raised about CURIEs have been addressed.

14:25:52 <ShaneM> TAG position has not been addressed - we are not sure there was a formal finding.

TAG position has not been addressed - we are not sure there was a formal finding.

14:27:23 <ShaneM> markbirbeck does not think that there is a formal position.  He also points out that no one seems to be arguing that QNames are a good idea.

markbirbeck does not think that there is a formal position. He also points out that no one seems to be arguing that QNames are a good idea.

14:29:16 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to produce a new CURIEs doc that is consistent with the RDFa doc and make it public in a similar timeframe to when the RDFa document is made public.

ACTION: Shane to produce a new CURIEs doc that is consistent with the RDFa doc and make it public in a similar timeframe to when the RDFa document is made public.

14:29:23 <markbirbeck> I've searched for "http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-tagmem-minutes.html#action01"

Mark Birbeck: I've searched for "ACTION-01"">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-tagmem-minutes.html#ACTION-01"

14:29:36 <markbirbeck> and "CompactURIReferences-5"

Mark Birbeck: and "CompactURIReferences-5"

14:30:04 <markbirbeck> which are the references in the minutes about raising a TAG issue about CURIEs.

Mark Birbeck: which are the references in the minutes about raising a TAG issue about CURIEs.

14:30:24 <markbirbeck> The minutes have:

Mark Birbeck: The minutes have:

14:30:26 <markbirbeck> "ACTION: HST to circulate a candidate description to tag@w3.org [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]"

Mark Birbeck: "ACTION: HST to circulate a candidate description to tag@w3.org [recorded in ACTION-01]"">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-tagmem-minutes.html#ACTION-01]"

14:30:35 <markbirbeck> But I can't find a reference to Henry doing this action.

Mark Birbeck: But I can't find a reference to Henry doing this action.

14:32:37 <ShaneM> Plan is to get a first public working out as soon after next weeks semantic web meeting as possible.

Plan is to get a first public working out as soon after next weeks semantic web meeting as possible.

14:34:04 <markbirbeck> q+

Mark Birbeck: q+

14:36:01 <ShaneM> Shane mentioned that we merged the xhtml-rdfa module document and the rdfa-syntax document editorially.  there did not seem to be any concerns about this.

Shane mentioned that we merged the xhtml-rdfa module document and the rdfa-syntax document editorially. there did not seem to be any concerns about this.

14:36:17 <ShaneM> q-

q-

14:37:09 <ShaneM> Mark referred to a discussion about what the default prefix is for xhtml-defined reserved terms.

Mark referred to a discussion about what the default prefix is for xhtml-defined reserved terms.

14:37:48 <markbirbeck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0237.html

Mark Birbeck: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0237.html

14:38:19 <ShaneM> Basically the issue is what happens when you have rel="next" - how does the term 'next' get converted to a full URI?

Basically the issue is what happens when you have rel="next" - how does the term 'next' get converted to a full URI?

14:38:48 <ShaneM> Proposal was that we use the xhtml namespace + the term (e.g. http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#next)

Proposal was that we use the xhtml namespace + the term (e.g. http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#next)

14:39:14 <ShaneM> new proposal is that we introduce a new prefix within the XHTML namespace and use that as the scoping mechanism for rel/rev values.

new proposal is that we introduce a new prefix within the XHTML namespace and use that as the scoping mechanism for rel/rev values.

14:39:31 <ShaneM> It will be discussed tomorrow in the RDFa task force call.

It will be discussed tomorrow in the RDFa task force call.

14:40:52 <markbirbeck> The proposal is to use: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/relations instead.

Mark Birbeck: The proposal is to use: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/relations# instead.

14:40:53 <ShaneM> Roland asked if there is anything else that might have similar problems?

Roland asked if there is anything else that might have similar problems?

14:41:03 <ShaneM> Shane mentioned that there are the values for @role

Shane mentioned that there are the values for @role

14:41:14 <markbirbeck> At the moment we also have: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/datatypes

Mark Birbeck: At the moment we also have: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/datatypes\

14:41:47 <markbirbeck> s/relations in/relations# in/
14:43:30 <ShaneM> Shane thinks we should ensure that this default prefix can encompass the rel / rev values and the role values

Shane thinks we should ensure that this default prefix can encompass the rel / rev values and the role values

14:43:38 <markbirbeck> s/datatypes/datatypes\//
14:45:33 <ShaneM> Mark thinks we can probably just set the default prefix to be the XHTML namespace + '#' because that is really the version independent namespace for XHTML

Mark thinks we can probably just set the default prefix to be the XHTML namespace + '#' because that is really the version independent namespace for XHTML

14:47:08 <ShaneM> RESOLVED: The default prefix for CURIEs in XHTML family markup languages should be 'http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#'

RESOLVED: The default prefix for CURIEs in XHTML family markup languages should be 'http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#'

14:51:10 <Roland_> XML Events 2

Roland Merrick: XML Events 2

14:51:11 <Roland_>                     Published: http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item22

Roland Merrick: Published: http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item22

14:51:11 <Roland_>                     Namespace comment:

Roland Merrick: Namespace comment:

14:51:11 <Roland_>

Roland Merrick:

14:51:11 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Feb/0000

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Feb/0000

14:52:21 <ShaneM>  The issues raised in this comment have not all been resolved.

The issues raised in this comment have not all been resolved.

14:52:27 <ShaneM>  Mark and Shane need to address this.

Mark and Shane need to address this.

14:52:39 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Mark and Shane to address comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Feb/0000

ACTION: Mark and Shane to address comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Feb/0000

14:53:10 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 SE comments

TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 SE comments

14:53:15 <ShaneM>  all those comments have been addressed.

all those comments have been addressed.

14:54:05 <ShaneM>  is ready to be republished modulo that we need to put M12N 1.1 out again first.

is ready to be republished modulo that we need to put M12N 1.1 out again first.

14:55:14 <ShaneM>  Steven has the action to get M12N 1.1 into CR.

Steven has the action to get M12N 1.1 into CR.

14:56:53 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Everyone please review the action item list and report if actions assigned to you are done (via e-mail)

ACTION: Everyone please review the action item list and report if actions assigned to you are done (via e-mail)

14:58:29 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: tech plenary f2f meeting

TOPIC: tech plenary f2f meeting

14:58:34 <ShaneM>  Mark is not sure.  Shane is not sure.

Mark is not sure. Shane is not sure.

14:58:59 <alessio> me too

Alessio Cartocci: me too

14:59:22 <ShaneM>  rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:59:25 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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14:59:28 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio

14:59:31 <ShaneM>  RRSAgent, make minutes

RRSAgent, make minutes

14:59:32 <Zakim> -Rich

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich

14:59:34 <Zakim> -yamx

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14:59:36 <Zakim> - +013868aaaa

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14:59:38 <ShaneM>  [off] low tech crap

[off] low tech crap

14:59:42 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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14:59:44 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

14:59:46 <Roland_> :-)

Roland Merrick: :-)

14:59:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland_, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Alessio, yamx, Rich

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland_, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Alessio, yamx, Rich



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