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14:01:12 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-irc ←
14:01:28 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
14:01:32 <Steven> zakim, this is xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this is xhtml ←
14:01:32 <Zakim> ok, Steven; that matches IA_XHTML2()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; that matches IA_XHTML2()10:00AM ←
14:01:42 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:01:42 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
14:01:43 <Zakim> - +0138687aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +0138687aaaa ←
14:01:44 <Zakim> + +0138687aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0138687aaaa ←
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:01:46 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:01:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see +0138687aaaa, Steven (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +0138687aaaa, Steven (muted) ←
14:01:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, yamx, Roland_, Steven, Charl, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, yamx, Roland_, Steven, Charl, krijnh ←
14:01:49 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
14:02:24 <Steven> zakim, ??p2 is Roland_
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??p2 is Roland_ ←
14:02:24 <Zakim> +Roland_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland_; got it ←
14:02:36 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is Yamx
Steven Pemberton: zakim, aaaa is Yamx ←
14:02:36 <Zakim> +Yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yamx; got it ←
14:02:49 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
14:03:02 <Steven> Chair: Roland, Steven
14:03:24 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
14:03:25 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0002
14:03:35 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0002
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0002 ←
14:05:57 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:05:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
14:06:28 <markbirbeck> zakim, numbers
Mark Birbeck: zakim, numbers ←
14:06:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'numbers', markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'numbers', markbirbeck ←
14:06:37 <Steven> zakim, code?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, code? ←
14:06:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven ←
14:06:42 <markbirbeck> ah :)
Mark Birbeck: ah :) ←
14:06:53 <markbirbeck> Trying to find the UK one.
Mark Birbeck: Trying to find the UK one. ←
14:06:54 <markbirbeck> ta
Mark Birbeck: ta ←
14:07:24 <Steven> Regrets: Rich, Alessio
14:07:53 <Zakim> + +1.208.761.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.208.761.aabb ←
14:08:08 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aa
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am aa ←
14:08:09 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'aa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'aa' ←
14:08:25 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aabb
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am aabb ←
14:08:25 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
14:08:37 <Steven> Topic: Welcome Roland
14:09:12 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:09:24 <Steven> Roland: I work for IBM UK
Roland Merrick: I work for IBM UK ←
14:09:30 <Steven> ... in the past worked on XForms
... in the past worked on XForms ←
14:09:35 <Steven> ... and device independence
... and device independence ←
14:09:50 <Steven> ... now back to W3C to co-chair this group, and more interesting work
... now back to W3C to co-chair this group, and more interesting work ←
14:10:54 <Steven> Topic: New member
14:11:06 <Steven> Steven: A new company is joining
Steven Pemberton: A new company is joining ←
14:11:35 <Steven> ... a Japanese company
... a Japanese company ←
14:12:19 <Steven> (machine running slowly, sorry)
(machine running slowly, sorry) ←
14:12:58 <Steven> ... Mitsue-links Co Ltd
... Mitsue-links Co Ltd ←
14:13:23 <Steven> Topics: Announcements
14:13:39 <Steven> Steven: Tweo new questionnaires
Steven Pemberton: Two new questionnaires ←
14:13:45 <Steven> ... one for forthcoming calls
... one for forthcoming calls ←
14:13:49 <Steven> ... one for FtF
... one for FtF ←
14:14:26 <Steven> Topic: GRDDL
14:14:42 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0027.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0027.html ←
14:15:32 <Steven> Shane: I thought it was due a week from today
Shane McCarron: I thought it was due a week from today ←
14:15:45 <Steven> ... I will do it this week
... I will do it this week ←
14:16:07 <Steven> Steven: I will send an apology that we are running late
Steven Pemberton: I will send an apology that we are running late ←
14:16:36 <Steven> Topic: Wiki/blog
14:19:24 <Steven> Steven: There are a few possibilities. I've been talking to vcarious people round W3C
Steven Pemberton: There are a few possibilities. I've been talking to vcarious people round W3C ←
14:19:40 <Steven> ... b2evolution, moinmoin. Mediawiki may be installed sometime soon
... b2evolution, moinmoin. Mediawiki may be installed sometime soon ←
14:19:57 <Steven> Roland: Moinmoin is OK
Roland Merrick: Moinmoin is OK ←
14:20:07 <Steven> Shane: We could restyle it, if we don't like the style
Shane McCarron: We could restyle it, if we don't like the style ←
14:20:45 <Steven> Roland: There might be a danger in being the first to use a new system
Roland Merrick: There might be a danger in being the first to use a new system ←
14:21:29 <Steven> ACTION: Steven request a moinmoin instance
ACTION: Steven request a moinmoin instance ←
14:21:52 <Steven> Topic: Role and access
14:22:36 <Steven> Steven: Rich sent this message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0001.html
Steven Pemberton: Rich sent this message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0001.html ←
14:23:57 <Steven> Shane: The small issue is what we want to say about an access element that doesn't specify a key attribute
Shane McCarron: The small issue is what we want to say about an access element that doesn't specify a key attribute ←
14:25:59 <Steven> Steven: The UA is allowed to override the key anyway, so binding a key when it is not specified should be fine
Steven Pemberton: The UA is allowed to override the key anyway, so binding a key when it is not specified should be fine ←
14:26:21 <Steven> Roland: Some UAs will bind to softkeys
Roland Merrick: Some UAs will bind to softkeys ←
14:26:54 <Steven> Steven: And UAs will likely bind well-knoiw roles to standard keys
Steven Pemberton: And UAs will likely bind well-knoiw roles to standard keys ←
14:27:18 <Steven> Steven: So I think we agree with Rich's comment
Steven Pemberton: So I think we agree with Rich's comment ←
14:27:36 <Steven> Shane: There are two optional attributes as well, targetrole and targetid.
Shane McCarron: There are two optional attributes as well, targetrole and targetid. ←
14:27:45 <Steven> ... If neither is specified, what does it mean?
... If neither is specified, what does it mean? ←
14:28:03 <Steven> ... It could mean that the current element is the place where the event is raised
... It could mean that the current focus point is the place where the event is raised ←
14:28:14 <Steven> s/element/focus point/
14:28:29 <Steven> ... (no use case for that though)
... (no use case for that though) ←
14:28:46 <Steven> ... or say "undefined" or "nothing happens".
... or say "undefined" or "nothing happens". ←
14:28:53 <Steven> ... Any opinions?
... Any opinions? ←
14:29:04 <Steven> Roland: I wouldn't like it to be undefined.
Roland Merrick: I wouldn't like it to be undefined. ←
14:29:08 <Steven> Steven: Me neither
Steven Pemberton: Me neither ←
14:29:25 <Steven> Shane: Or we could require one to be specified
Shane McCarron: Or we could require one to be specified ←
14:29:40 <Steven> ... but we couldn't validate that
... but we couldn't validate that ←
14:29:48 <Steven> Roland: Relax NG could
Roland Merrick: Relax NG could ←
14:29:57 <Steven> Shane: But not he W3C validator
Shane McCarron: But not the W3C validator ←
14:30:03 <Steven> s/ he / the /
14:30:28 <Steven> Steven: True, but that shouldn't drive our design
Steven Pemberton: True, but that shouldn't drive our design ←
14:30:48 <Steven> Shane: So what do we think?
Shane McCarron: So what do we think? ←
14:32:58 <Steven> ... It could be useful to be able to raise an event without specifying target
... It could be useful to be able to raise an event without specifying target ←
14:33:31 <Steven> Steven: But it would be just as easy by saying what the target is
Steven Pemberton: But it would be just as easy by saying what the target is ←
14:33:38 <Steven> Shane: Well, there is the focus issue
Shane McCarron: Well, there is the focus issue ←
14:34:44 <Steven> ... does raising a DOMActivate also change the focus?
... does raising a DOMActivate also change the focus? ←
14:35:18 <Steven> Mark: I think it should get focus as well
Mark Birbeck: I think it should get focus as well ←
14:35:21 <Steven> Shane: So do I
Shane McCarron: So do I ←
14:37:06 <Steven> Steven: Why do you care?
Steven Pemberton: Why do you care? ←
14:37:17 <Steven> Shane: Well, if the link goes to another window
Shane McCarron: Well, if the link goes to another window ←
14:42:09 <Steven> Mark: It depends on how you interpret DOMActivate
Mark Birbeck: It depends on how you interpret DOMActivate ←
14:42:26 <Steven> ... I think DOM2 Events is too vague to be sure whether the control has focus already
... I think DOM2 Events is too vague to be sure whether the control has focus already ←
14:42:42 <Steven> ... Is DOMACtivate a notification or an action?
... Is DOMACtivate a notification or an action? ←
14:43:59 <Steven> Steven: But you can cancel a DOMActivate
Steven Pemberton: But you can cancel a DOMActivate ←
14:44:05 <Steven> ... which stops default processing
... which stops default processing ←
14:45:18 <Steven> Roland: DOMFocusIn is not cancellable on the other hand
Roland Merrick: DOMFocusIn is not cancellable on the other hand ←
14:45:29 <Steven> Roland: DOMFocusIn is not cancellable on the other hand
Roland Merrick: DOMFocusIn is not cancellable on the other hand ←
14:46:07 <Steven> ... which suggests that you can't use DOMFocusIn to set focus
... which suggests that you can't use DOMFocusIn to set focus ←
14:46:16 <Steven> ... it is only notification that it has happenend
... it is only notification that it has happenend ←
14:46:49 <Steven> Shane: I noticed that; the only alternative is 'focus', but that is only valid on a small subset of elements
Shane McCarron: I noticed that; the only alternative is 'focus', but that is only valid on a small subset of elements ←
14:47:25 <Steven> "This event is valid for the following elements: LABEL, INPUT, SELECT, TEXTAREA, and BUTTON"
"This event is valid for the following elements: LABEL, INPUT, SELECT, TEXTAREA, and BUTTON" ←
14:49:34 <Steven> Mark: The only two use cases we know of are "Give focus" and "Give focus and activate"
Mark Birbeck: The only two use cases we know of are "Give focus" and "Give focus and activate" ←
14:49:44 <Steven> Steven: So maybe "raise" is too general
Steven Pemberton: So maybe "raise" is too general ←
14:49:53 <Steven> ... maybe we should just say those two things
... maybe we should just say those two things ←
14:50:27 <Steven> ... or say that focus is always given, and then 'raise' gives an additional optional event
... or say that focus is always given, and then 'raise' gives an additional optional event ←
14:51:29 <Steven> Mark: Or an attribute that is default giving focus, and allows you to specify activations
Mark Birbeck: Or an attribute that is default giving focus, and allows you to specify activations ←
14:51:53 <Steven> ... the default behaviour for role and id is surely different
... the default behaviour for role and id is surely different ←
14:52:04 <Steven> ... for role it is always focus
... for role it is always focus ←
14:52:13 <Steven> ... but for id it doesn't have to
... but for id it doesn't have to ←
14:52:29 <Steven> Shane: I don't want to special case it
Shane McCarron: I don't want to special case it ←
14:52:47 <Steven> Shane: Shouldn't targetid be a list?
Shane McCarron: Shouldn't targetid be a list? ←
14:52:50 <Steven> Mark: Cute
Mark Birbeck: Cute ←
14:54:26 <Steven> Shane: Would it be the next id in the list, or the next id in the list in document sequence?
Shane McCarron: Would it be the next id in the list, or the next id in the list in document sequence? ←
14:55:04 <Steven> Mark: So tab gets you onto a route now (with next focus) and this way any key could put you on a route
Mark Birbeck: So tab gets you onto a route now (with next focus) and this way any key could put you on a route ←
14:55:52 <Steven> SHane: Shall I spec it up?
Shane McCarron: Shall I spec it up? ←
14:55:56 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
14:56:14 <Steven> Steven: Send it to the list, I wouldn't want to add it to the spec before Rich has seen it
Steven Pemberton: Send it to the list, I wouldn't want to add it to the spec before Rich has seen it ←
14:56:49 <Steven> Shane: I think we agreed that an unsepcified key will then be assigned by the UA, and you must either specify a targetid or a targetrole
Shane McCarron: I think we agreed that an unsepcified key will then be assigned by the UA, and you must either specify a targetid or a targetrole ←
14:56:53 <Steven> Steven: Yes
Steven Pemberton: Yes ←
14:58:37 <Steven> Steven: Out of time. Let's talk longdes next week (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Jul/thread.html#msg0)
Steven Pemberton: Out of time. Let's talk longdesc next week (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Jul/thread.html#msg0) ←
14:58:47 <Steven> s/longdes/longdesc/
14:58:55 <Steven> ... since we have a rather good solution already
... since we have a rather good solution already ←
15:00:11 <Steven> Roland: 3.1.1 says something about id attribute; does that include xml:id
Roland Merrick: 3.1.1 says something about id attribute; does that include xml:id ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:00:57 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
15:00:58 <Zakim> -Yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'Yamx' does not match any of the 18 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yamx ←
15:01:02 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
15:01:04 <Zakim> Attendees were +0138687aaaa, Steven, Roland_, Yamx, ShaneM, +1.208.761.aabb, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +0138687aaaa, Steven, Roland_, Yamx, ShaneM, +1.208.761.aabb, markbirbeck ←
15:01:11 <Steven> Steven: We ought to accomodate xml:id; use whatever XML uses to describe the id-ness of an element, and not restrict it to id attributes
Steven Pemberton: We ought to accomodate xml:id; use whatever XML uses to describe the id-ness of an element, and not restrict it to id attributes ←
15:01:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:01:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:02:03 <Steven> s/Topics:/Topic:/
15:02:29 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:02:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:02:48 <Steven> s/tweo/two/
s/tweo/two/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:02:52 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:02:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:03:18 <Steven> s/Tweo/Two/
15:03:23 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:03:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
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