15:12:30 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

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15:12:38 <LeeF> topic: Graph-store Protocol

15:12:49 <LeeF> close ACTION-717

15:12:49 <trackbot> ACTION-717 Prepare a list of tst cases from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/http-rdf-update/ by next Telco which at least 2implementations pass. closed

15:13:08 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0174.html

15:13:36 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-http-rdf-update

15:14:07 <LeeF> Chime's list of tests is based on correspondence with Andy + existing EARL from Akamu

15:14:34 <LeeF> LeeF: Andy, are you ok with the tests?

15:14:40 <LeeF> AndyS: Yes, AND I pass them

15:14:57 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve GSP tests listed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0174.html

15:15:08 <kasei> +1

15:15:27 <AndyS> +1

15:15:29 <pgearon> +1

15:15:31 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve GSP tests listed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0174.html

15:15:42 <LeeF> ACTION: chimezie to mark tests in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0174.html as approved

15:15:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-723 - Mark tests in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0174.html as approved [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2012-12-04].

15:16:00 <Zakim> -bglimm

15:16:05 <LeeF> LeeF: Any expectations of additional implementations in the next week or two?

15:16:16 <LeeF> chimezie: I don't believe so, only possible one would be Callimachus, but unlikely

15:17:52 <LeeF> LeeF: What's the status with the 3 tests that Akamu is not passing?

15:17:56 <LeeF> chimezie: they all deal with empty graphs

15:18:12 <LeeF> LeeF: is this an issue for us with respect to spec conformance?

15:18:44 <LeeF> http-rdf-update/manifest#get_of_put__empty_graph

15:19:53 <LeeF> chimezie: GSP refers developers to Update for treatment of empty graphs

15:20:08 <LeeF> chimezie: empty graphs are not a feature of GSP, as notion of empty graph doesn't make sense in all cases for HTTP

15:20:38 <LeeF> LeeF: As long as there are not specific conformance criteria in GSP that these tests line up with, let's leave them unapproved

15:20:40 <LeeF> sandro: I agree

15:21:39 <LeeF> summary: We believe GSP to now be in a steady state with respect to advancing to PR

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15:22:20 <LeeF> topic: protocol

15:23:04 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

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15:23:07 <LeeF> LeeF: Confirm that we have no additioanl expectation of tests to approve or new implementation reports for protocol in the next couple of weeks?

Lee Feigenbaum: Confirm that we have no additioanl expectation of tests to approve or new implementation reports for protocol in the next couple of weeks? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:23:10 <LeeF> kasei: i believe that is correct

Gregory Williams: i believe that is correct [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:23:23 <LeeF> topic: update

15:23:45 <LeeF> ACTION-720?

Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION-720? ←

15:23:45 <trackbot> ACTION-720 -- Paul Gearon to write a mail summarizing unapproved update test cases -- due 2012-11-27 -- OPEN

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15:23:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/720

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15:24:59 <LeeF> LeeF: Any chance to complete ACTION-720 this week?

Lee Feigenbaum: Any chance to complete ACTION-720 this week? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:25:01 <LeeF> pgearon: unlikely

Paula Gearon: unlikely [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:25:14 <LeeF> LeeF: we should look for someone else - is this about the tests that did not make it into the test suite before the PR vote for Update?

Lee Feigenbaum: we should look for someone else - is this about the tests that did not make it into the test suite before the PR vote for Update? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:25:16 <LeeF> pgearon: I think so

Paula Gearon: I think so [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:25:55 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to talk to Axel about taking care of unapproved tests for update

ACTION: Lee to talk to Axel about taking care of unapproved tests for update ←

15:25:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-724 - Talk to Axel about taking care of unapproved tests for update [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2012-12-04].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-724 - Talk to Axel about taking care of unapproved tests for update [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2012-12-04]. ←

15:27:18 <LeeF> ericP, can you join us?

Lee Feigenbaum: ericP, can you join us? ←

15:27:52 <LeeF> <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest#dawg-delete-07 says that the result is delete-post-01f.ttl

Lee Feigenbaum: <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest#dawg-delete-07 says that the result is delete-post-01f.ttl ←

15:27:52 <LeeF> <ericP> i can't justify that, but i can if it's delete-post-01s.ttl

Lee Feigenbaum: <ericP> i can't justify that, but i can if it's delete-post-01s.ttl ←

15:29:05 <kasei> details are here: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#delete-dawg-delete-07

Gregory Williams: details are here: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#delete-dawg-delete-07 ←

15:29:28 <Zakim> +EricP

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15:31:27 <LeeF> LeeF: test delete-07 is as is because ?p and ?o are unbound so nothing is deleted

Lee Feigenbaum: test delete-07 is as is because ?p and ?o are unbound so nothing is deleted [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:31:43 <LeeF> AndyS: if it was "DELETE WHERE { ... } "  then it would do as you say, Eric, but it's not

Andy Seaborne: if it was "DELETE WHERE { ... } " then it would do as you say, Eric, but it's not [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:31:49 <LeeF> ericP: OK

Eric Prud'hommeaux: OK [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:35:02 <LeeF> (discussion of trailing zeroes in decimals)

Lee Feigenbaum: (discussion of trailing zeroes in decimals) ←

15:35:30 <ericP> aggregates/agg-avg-02.srx <literal datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#decimal">2.0</literal>

Eric Prud'hommeaux: aggregates/agg-avg-02.srx <literal datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#decimal">2.0</literal> ←

15:35:39 <LeeF> LeeF: ericP, will you have EARL for us in the near future?

Lee Feigenbaum: ericP, will you have EARL for us in the near future? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:35:42 <LeeF> ericP: yes

Eric Prud'hommeaux: yes [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:35:46 <LeeF> LeeF: for which parts of SPARQL 1.1?

Lee Feigenbaum: for which parts of SPARQL 1.1? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:36:20 <LeeF> ericP: query, update, CSV/TSV, JSON

Eric Prud'hommeaux: query, update, CSV/TSV, JSON [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:36:59 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

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15:37:50 <chimezie> http://metacognition.info/gsp_validation/gsp.validator.form  (GSP validator)

Chimezie Ogbuji: http://metacognition.info/gsp_validation/gsp.validator.form (GSP validator) ←

15:37:53 <kasei> oops. I broke the protocol validator.

Gregory Williams: oops. I broke the protocol validator. ←

15:38:04 <kasei> when I fix it momentarily, it will be here: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/protocol_validator

Gregory Williams: when I fix it momentarily, it will be here: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/protocol_validator ←

15:38:16 <chimezie> Conneg on request to get back EARL

Chimezie Ogbuji: Conneg on request to get back EARL ←

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15:41:29 <LeeF> (regular monthly discussion of the vagaries of RDF Datasets in SPARQL and the divide in the world beyond "graph names are entries in a database" and "graph names are GETtable documentnames")

Lee Feigenbaum: (regular monthly discussion of the vagaries of RDF Datasets in SPARQL and the divide in the world beyond "graph names are entries in a database" and "graph names are GETtable documentnames") ←

15:43:28 <AndyS> I object to "vagaries" when it's intentional not about loading or finding - it's declarative of what it looks like.

Andy Seaborne: I object to "vagaries" when it's intentional not about loading or finding - it's declarative of what it looks like. ←

15:43:47 <LeeF> Things can be intentionally vague.

Lee Feigenbaum: Things can be intentionally vague. ←

15:44:20 <AndyS> Not "vague" - intentionally not part of.

Andy Seaborne: Not "vague" - intentionally not part of. ←

15:46:02 <LeeF> Andy, I'm not sure what I said that riled you. I think SPARQL is -- and always has been - vague on this topic, particularly when combining what's in the specs with what's in the test suite and the different ways things are handled in implementations. In any case, I'm happy to withdraw my comment(s) from the record if you object to them.

Lee Feigenbaum: Andy, I'm not sure what I said that riled you. I think SPARQL is -- and always has been - vague on this topic, particularly when combining what's in the specs with what's in the test suite and the different ways things are handled in implementations. In any case, I'm happy to withdraw my comment(s) from the record if you object to them. ←

15:49:26 <LeeF> (discussion of what to do about the decimal values)

Lee Feigenbaum: (discussion of what to do about the decimal values) ←

15:49:35 <AndyS> While I have some sympathy with EricP's position, I think we need to recognize that there are XSD 1.0 implementations as well.

Andy Seaborne: While I have some sympathy with EricP's position, I think we need to recognize that there are XSD 1.0 implementations as well. ←

15:49:39 <LeeF> LeeF: not sure we have anyone in the WG wanting to make this change now and re-visit the tests

Lee Feigenbaum: not sure we have anyone in the WG wanting to make this change now and re-visit the tests [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:49:57 <LeeF> sandro: perhaps a CG or some other body could take over SPARQL test suite maintenance going forwards

Sandro Hawke: perhaps a CG or some other body could take over SPARQL test suite maintenance going forwards [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:54:26 <LeeF> ericP: I think we could do this now without re-running everyone's tests

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think we could do this now without re-running everyone's tests [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:55:24 <Zakim> -Chimezie

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15:55:25 <Zakim> -LeeF

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15:55:25 <Zakim> -EricP

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15:55:26 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:55:26 <Zakim> -pgearon

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15:55:26 <Zakim> -AndyS

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15:55:27 <Zakim> -MattPerry

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15:55:28 <Zakim> -kasei

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15:55:29 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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15:55:32 <LeeF> LeeF: i'm just not totally comfortable with that, sorry

Lee Feigenbaum: i'm just not totally comfortable with that, sorry [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←

15:55:36 <LeeF> Adjourned.

Lee Feigenbaum: Adjourned. ←

15:55:42 <LeeF> RRSAgent, make logs public

Lee Feigenbaum: RRSAgent, make logs public ←

15:55:42 <Zakim> -SteveH

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15:55:44 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

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15:55:44 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, cbuilara, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, bglimm, +1.617.553.aabb, LeeF, Sandro, SteveH, MattPerry, Chimezie, pgearon, EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, cbuilara, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, bglimm, +1.617.553.aabb, LeeF, Sandro, SteveH, MattPerry, Chimezie, pgearon, EricP ←

15:58:37 <LeeF> sandro, any idea why https://cgi.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=Chatlog_2012-11-27&redirect=no is giving me 404 after doing https://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/wiki_scribe?group=sparql&go=Use+This+Group seemed ok?

Lee Feigenbaum: sandro, any idea why https://cgi.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=Chatlog_2012-11-27&redirect=no is giving me 404 after doing https://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/wiki_scribe?group=sparql&go=Use+This+Group seemed ok? ←

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