<AndyS> PRESENT: AxelPolleres, swh, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, EricP, kasei, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, alepas, susie, orri, ywang

14:22:48 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-sparql-irc

14:35:47 <LeeF> agenda +Introductions

14:35:53 <LeeF> agenda +Our charter and time line

14:35:59 <LeeF> agenda +What we all hope to get out of the working group

14:36:05 <LeeF> agenda +Scheduling teleconferences and a face-to-face meeting

14:37:20 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?

14:37:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, Phil_Brooks, alepas, AndyS_

14:37:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Phil, RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP

14:38:53 <LeeF> Scribe: AndyS_

14:39:28 <AndyS_> Topic: Introductions

14:39:28 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki

14:39:43 <AndyS_> Round the phone:

14:39:53 <AndyS_> Lee Feigenbaum

14:40:57 <AndyS_> Axel Polleres

14:41:26 <AndyS_> Lee and Axel are the group's co-chairs

14:41:36 <kasei> Axel, is there a way to do that through the conf. system?

14:41:49 <LeeF> kasei, you can type "zakim, mute me"

14:42:18 <AndyS_> Steve Harris

14:42:34 <AxelPolleres> kasei, type "Zakim, mute me"

14:43:14 <swh> "Luke Wilson-Mawer"

14:43:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

14:43:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

14:43:55 <AndyS_> Bijan Parsia

14:44:01 <kasei> zakim, mute me

14:44:01 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

14:45:10 <bijan> zakim, mute me

14:45:10 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

14:45:13 <AxelPolleres> we'd kindly request people to also send intro mails to the mailing list, and also enter an introduction to the wiki (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki).

14:45:16 <kasei> zakim, unmute me

14:45:16 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted

14:45:21 <AndyS_> Greg Williams

14:46:05 <kasei> zakim, mute me

14:46:05 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

14:46:12 <AndyS_> Eric Prud'hommeaux

14:46:55 <AndyS_> W3C staff contacts: EricP and Ivan Herman

14:47:12 <AndyS_> Orri Erling

14:47:27 <AndyS_> Ivan Mikhailov

14:47:37 <AxelPolleres> orri and ivan on the same phone line (for attendees list)

14:48:14 <iv_an_ru> Orri is at Utrecht and I'm in Novosibirsk, I guess that lines differ.

14:49:39 <AndyS_> Dave Newman

14:50:11 <AndyS_> (Dan Schutzer not attending today)

14:51:02 <AndyS_> Phil Brooks

14:52:30 <Phil> Hi, Bijan!

14:52:33 <Phil> Jenna Zhou

14:53:00 <AndyS_> Alex Passant

14:53:33 <LeeF> Andy Seaborne

14:53:37 <AxelPolleres> On http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35463 I don't see yet all of the people here.

14:54:04 <bijan> +1 to AndyS speed point

14:54:16 <swh> +1

14:55:55 <bijan> Oops. Manchester is likely to have a second person as well, someone who's been heavily involved with a joint UManchester/Seimans project

14:56:10 <AndyS_> HP will be represented by two people: Andy Seaborne and Ahmed Ezzat

14:57:16 <AndyS_> topic: Weekly telecon : discussion on timing

<LeeF> summary: Weekly teleconference to be held at 10:00 ET (15:00 UTC most of the year)

14:57:43 <AndyS_>  Issue: PST is 06:30 and we have people on the west coast

Issue: PST is 06:30 and we have people on the west coast ←

14:58:01 <AxelPolleres> (when typing, please mute yourselves)

Axel Polleres: (when typing, please mute yourselves) ←

14:58:32 <AndyS_> Also clash with RIF calls just after SPARQL

Also clash with RIF calls just after SPARQL ←

14:58:48 <AndyS_> LeeF: Meetings usually an hour

Lee Feigenbaum: Meetings usually an hour ←

14:59:17 <AndyS_> Dave: 7am is OK

David Newman: 7am is OK ←

14:59:38 <Zakim> -daveNewman

Zakim IRC Bot: -daveNewman ←

15:00:11 <AndyS_> LeeF: Suggestion 15:00Z

Lee Feigenbaum: Suggestion 15:00Z ←

15:00:34 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

15:00:34 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←

15:00:35 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: then limits me to one hour due to RIF

Axel Polleres: then limits me to one hour due to RIF ←

15:01:11 <AndyS_>  15:00Z = 10am EST = 7am PST until clocks change

15:00Z = 10am EST = 7am PST until clocks change ←

15:01:33 <AndyS_> Bijan: teach some of those slots but UManchester will have two people.

Bijan Parsia: teach some of those slots but UManchester will have two people. ←

15:01:34 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

15:01:40 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

15:01:57 <bijan> I appreciate the chairs consideration

Bijan Parsia: I appreciate the chairs consideration ←

15:02:30 <AndyS_> LeeF: Days other than Tuesday is tricky for chairs/staff contacts

Lee Feigenbaum: Days other than Tuesday is tricky for chairs/staff contacts ←

15:02:47 <bijan> If the chairs are willing for asynch feedback from me on the days that I can't attend, I would be grateful

Bijan Parsia: If the chairs are willing for asynch feedback from me on the days that I can't attend, I would be grateful ←

15:02:55 <AndyS_> Phil: 10am OK but Singapore would be a problem.

Unknown Phil_Brooks: 10am OK but Singapore would be a problem. ←

15:02:56 <LeeF> Very happy for async feedback

Lee Feigenbaum: Very happy for async feedback ←

15:04:04 <LeeF> agenda?

Lee Feigenbaum: agenda? ←

15:04:06 <AndyS_> LeeF: For now, 15:00Z telecons -- 10am EST -- 7am PST

Lee Feigenbaum: For now, 15:00Z telecons -- 10am EST -- 7am PST ←

15:04:39 <swh> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter

Steve Harris: http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter ←

15:04:58 <AndyS_> topic: Charter discussion

15:05:12 <AndyS_> LeeF: 18 months running time.

Lee Feigenbaum: 18 months running time. ←

15:05:24 <AndyS_> ... key point

... key point ←

15:05:39 <AndyS_> ... RECs from last time (QL, Protocol, Results)

... RECs from last time (QL, Protocol, Results) ←

15:06:20 <AndyS_> ... also JSON Results format -- WG Note

... also JSON Results format -- WG Note ←

15:07:00 <AndyS_> ... charter for adding key features for users; things that have been impelemnted and used sufficiently widely

... charter for adding key features for users; things that have been impelemnted and used sufficiently widely ←

15:07:31 <AndyS_> ... all SPARQL v1 queries shouldl be the same

... all SPARQL v1 queries shouldl be the same ←

15:07:48 <AndyS_> ... scope suggestions:

... scope suggestions: ←

15:07:52 <AndyS_> ... update and delete

... update and delete ←

15:08:11 <AndyS_> ... aggregate functions

... aggregate functions ←

15:08:24 <AndyS_> ... new filters and functions

... new filters and functions ←

15:08:37 <AndyS_> ... interoperability (e.g. service description)

... interoperability (e.g. service description) ←

15:08:50 <AndyS_> ... describe inference regime

... describe inference regime ←

15:08:59 <AndyS_> ... make DESCRIBE more interoperable

... make DESCRIBE more interoperable ←

15:09:13 <AndyS_> ... (was non-normative in REC)

... (was non-normative in REC) ←

15:09:25 <AndyS_> ... consider an XML syntax for SPARQL

... consider an XML syntax for SPARQL ←

15:09:57 <swh> (project named expressions was missed I think)

Steve Harris: (project named expressions was missed I think) ←

15:10:00 <AndyS_> ... next week : round table for members to state what they see needed

... next week : round table for members to state what they see needed ←

15:10:36 <AndyS_> EricP: Do some to meet schedule then flesh out if more time

Unknown EricP: Do some to meet schedule then flesh out if more time ←

15:11:00 <AndyS_> LeeF: step one is UC&R (2 minths - maybe 6 weeks) will fix the features

Lee Feigenbaum: step one is UC&R (2 minths - maybe 6 weeks) will fix the features ←

15:11:15 <AndyS_> ... charter says prioritize

... charter says prioritize ←

15:12:43 <iv_an_ru> Shouldn't we make a table with row per feature and column per implementation, to enumerate SPARQL extensions do we have implemented already?

Ivan Mikhailov: Shouldn't we make a table with row per feature and column per implementation, to enumerate SPARQL extensions do we have implemented already? ←

15:12:57 <iv_an_ru> in a wiki

Ivan Mikhailov: in a wiki ←

15:12:59 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: after 6 weeks we can close the feature set to stay on schedule

Axel Polleres: after 6 weeks we can close the feature set to stay on schedule ←

15:13:27 <AndyS_> Orri: Implemented extensions - will submit the prioritized extensions

Orri Erling: Implemented extensions - will submit the prioritized extensions ←

15:13:50 <AndyS_> LeeF: Want to gather what's out there

Lee Feigenbaum: Want to gather what's out there ←

15:14:02 <AndyS_> ... inc popularity

... inc popularity ←

15:14:13 <AndyS_> ... then juggle.

... then juggle. ←

15:14:32 <AndyS_> ... Other deliverables: REC updates

... Other deliverables: REC updates ←

15:14:43 <AndyS_> ... already one month late :-)

... already one month late :-) ←

15:14:48 <AndyS_> (Only??!!)

(Only??!!) ←

<AndyS> topic: F2F

15:15:27 <AndyS_> LeeF: Travel may be an issue (economic issues)

Lee Feigenbaum: Travel may be an issue (economic issues) ←

15:15:33 <AndyS_> ... likely less F2F

... likely less F2F ←

15:15:37 <AndyS_> q+

q+ ←

15:15:51 <swh> q+

Steve Harris: q+ ←

15:15:54 <AndyS_> ... first F2F around end of UC&R

... first F2F around end of UC&R ←

15:16:26 <LeeF> ack AndyS_

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS_ ←

15:16:37 <bijan> +1 to AndyS

Bijan Parsia: +1 to AndyS ←

15:16:53 <bijan> I've done a bunch of remote F2F participation

Bijan Parsia: I've done a bunch of remote F2F participation ←

15:17:12 <LeeF> ack swh

Lee Feigenbaum: ack swh ←

15:17:15 <bijan> I'd even go down to bristol or host UK folks so we have some "nodes" of f2f particpating at weird hours

Bijan Parsia: I'd even go down to bristol or host UK folks so we have some "nodes" of f2f particpating at weird hours ←

15:17:16 <AndyS_> AndyS_: virtual F2F : will set aside time to attend properly even if remote

Andy Seaborne: virtual F2F : will set aside time to attend properly even if remote ←

15:17:33 <bijan> Manchester has a nice room for telepresence

Bijan Parsia: Manchester has a nice room for telepresence ←

15:17:40 <bijan> The "Access Grid"

Bijan Parsia: The "Access Grid" ←

15:17:53 <swh> +1

Steve Harris: +1 ←

15:18:57 <swh> may 5,6,7 is ok for me

Steve Harris: may 5,6,7 is ok for me ←

15:19:15 <AndyS_> LeeF: timing: 1st week May (5th May ish)

Lee Feigenbaum: timing: 1st week May (5th May ish) ←

15:19:31 <AndyS_> ... Location: Boston

... Location: Boston ←

15:19:42 <ywang4> Hi, i just got here. May 4-6 are best for me

Unknown ywang: Hi, i just got here. May 4-6 are best for me ←

15:19:45 <AndyS_> ... maybe other links (e.g.UK)

... maybe other links (e.g.UK) ←

15:19:57 <ywang4> it's Yimin from Lilly

Unknown ywang: it's Yimin from Lilly ←

15:20:02 <bijan> Not great for me

Bijan Parsia: Not great for me ←

15:20:19 <iv_an_ru> May 1-10 is not very convenient for me but I'm probably missing F2f anyway.

Ivan Mikhailov: May 1-10 is not very convenient for me but I'm probably missing F2f anyway. ←

15:20:25 <AndyS_> Looks OK at the moment

Looks OK at the moment ←

15:20:36 <bijan> Mon-tues much worse than wed-fri

Bijan Parsia: Mon-tues much worse than wed-fri ←

15:20:52 <AndyS_> (how many Lilly people are there in the WG?)

(how many Lilly people are there in the WG?) ←

15:21:22 <ywang4> I think Susie and me here

Unknown ywang: I think Susie and me here ←

15:21:29 <Phil> Plus Phil and Jenna

Unknown Phil_Brooks: Plus Phil and Jenna ←

15:21:51 <AndyS_> LeeF: will try for 5&6 May

Lee Feigenbaum: will try for 5&6 May ←

15:21:53 <Phil> Jenna, though, may not participate quite as often

Unknown Phil_Brooks: Jenna, though, may not participate quite as often ←

15:21:58 <AndyS_> ... will take to email

... will take to email ←

15:22:13 <AndyS_> Axel: WBS

Axel Polleres: WBS ←

15:23:18 <ywang4> Hi Phil, I didn't notice you are here as well

Unknown ywang: Hi Phil, I didn't notice you are here as well ←

15:23:49 <AndyS_> LeeF: Comments and questions?

Lee Feigenbaum: Comments and questions? ←

<LeeF> topic: introductions to mailing list

15:24:14 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: Self-intros to the list

Axel Polleres: Self-intros to the list ←

15:24:55 <AxelPolleres> Please all send self-introductions until next week.

Axel Polleres: Please all send self-introductions until next week. ←

15:25:07 <AndyS_> LeeF: Chairs will seek out editors for documents over time

Lee Feigenbaum: Chairs will seek out editors for documents over time ←

15:25:39 <AndyS_> End of meeting

End of meeting ←

15:26:39 <AxelPolleres> zakim, list attendees

Axel Polleres: zakim, list attendees ←

15:26:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, ←

15:26:42 <Zakim> ... daveNewman, alepas

Zakim IRC Bot: ... daveNewman, alepas ←

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