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RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 09 August 2012

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Aug/0000.html
Seen
Gregg Kellogg, Ivan Herman, Manu Sporny, Niklas Lindström, Shane McCarron, Stéphane Corlosquet
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Shane McCarron
IRC Log
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Resolutions
  1. Publish the HTML5+RDFa document as a FPWD on the first day that the re-chartered RDFa WG becomes active. link
Topics
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14:00:04 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
14:00:04 <trackbot> Date: 09 August 2012
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14:05:08 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Aug/0000.html
14:05:34 <ShaneM> ScribeNick: ShaneM

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14:06:44 <manu1> Topic: New RDFa WG charter discussion

1. New RDFa WG charter discussion

14:07:13 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/rdfwa-wg-charter.html

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2012/06/rdfwa-wg-charter.html

14:07:56 <ShaneM> Manu: Going over the new charter - Only meet every two weeks (or less).  Most things are already complete.

Manu Sporny: Going over the new charter - Only meet every two weeks (or less). Most things are already complete.

14:08:23 <ShaneM> Manu: Purpose is to get HTML5 + RDFa to Rec.  Can also issue edited recommendations to address errata.

Manu Sporny: Purpose is to get HTML5 + RDFa to Rec. Can also issue edited recommendations to address errata.

14:09:33 <ShaneM> Manu: There are lots of implementations already, so CR should be relatively quick.

Manu Sporny: There are lots of implementations already, so CR should be relatively quick.

14:09:57 <ShaneM> Manu: Dependencies on I18N, PFWG, and HTML Working Group

Manu Sporny: Dependencies on I18N, PFWG, and HTML Working Group

14:10:23 <ShaneM> Manu: (this means that when we come to last call we need to notify these groups that a review is needed)

Manu Sporny: (this means that when we come to last call we need to notify these groups that a review is needed)

14:10:50 <ShaneM> Manu: Membership remains the same.

Manu Sporny: Membership remains the same.

14:10:56 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

14:11:47 <ShaneM> Shane: Do invited experts need to re-join the group?

Shane McCarron: Do invited experts need to re-join the group?

14:11:50 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

14:12:12 <ShaneM> Ivan: I don't think so but if so it will happen administratively.

Ivan Herman: I don't think so but if so it will happen administratively.

14:12:29 <ShaneM> niklasl: What about the API documents?  We handed them off to a community group right?

Niklas Lindström: What about the API documents? We handed them off to a community group right?

14:12:44 <ShaneM> manu: We did, but they may not have actively picked them up yet.

Manu Sporny: We did, but they may not have actively picked them up yet.

14:12:55 <ShaneM> niklasl: I joined the group.  should I coordinate here?

Niklas Lindström: I joined the group. should I coordinate here?

14:13:18 <ShaneM> ivan: Not really necessary.  If people are interested they should join the community group.

Ivan Herman: Not really necessary. If people are interested they should join the community group.

14:13:35 <ShaneM> manu: Nathan Rixham is the one leading the charge on this.

Manu Sporny: Nathan Rixham is the one leading the charge on this.

14:16:30 <manu1> Topic: Planning HTML5+RDFa FPWD (in RDFa WG)

2. Planning HTML5+RDFa FPWD (in RDFa WG)

14:17:50 <ShaneM> manu: Odd procedural requirement - we need to publish a FPWD even though within the W3C the spec was already at Last Call.

Manu Sporny: Odd procedural requirement - we need to publish a FPWD even though within the W3C the spec was already at Last Call.

14:18:10 <ShaneM> ivan: nothing we can do about it.  We need to do a new patent disclosure request.

Ivan Herman: nothing we can do about it. We need to do a new patent disclosure request.

14:19:39 <ShaneM> ivan: We can publish a FPWD as soon as the charter is approved.  This starts the clock ticking on the patent disclosures.  There is a six month waiting period.

Ivan Herman: We can publish a FPWD as soon as the charter is approved. This starts the clock ticking on the patent disclosures. There is a six month waiting period.

14:20:50 <ShaneM> gkellogg: Current document is in html working group space.  We should move it over.

Gregg Kellogg: Current document is in html working group space. We should move it over.

14:21:01 <ShaneM> manu: it is in respec format so the move is trivial.

Manu Sporny: it is in respec format so the move is trivial.

14:21:56 <ShaneM> Are the datetime format changes in the spec yet?

Are the datetime format changes in the spec yet?

14:22:20 <ShaneM> manu: no, but we should not change the spec before doing the FPWD.  Just turn the crank and we can update.

Manu Sporny: no, but we should not change the spec before doing the FPWD. Just turn the crank and we can update.

14:23:06 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Publish the HTML5+RDFa document as a FPWD on the first day that the re-chartered RDFa WG becomes active.

PROPOSED: Publish the HTML5+RDFa document as a FPWD on the first day that the re-chartered RDFa WG becomes active.

14:23:08 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

14:23:09 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

14:23:09 <ShaneM> ShaneM: +1

Shane McCarron: +1

14:23:10 <niklasl> +1

Niklas Lindström: +1

14:23:10 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:23:18 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

14:23:32 <manu1> RESOLVED: Publish the HTML5+RDFa document as a FPWD on the first day that the re-chartered RDFa WG becomes active.

RESOLVED: Publish the HTML5+RDFa document as a FPWD on the first day that the re-chartered RDFa WG becomes active.

14:24:06 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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14:24:57 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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14:25:16 <manu1> Manu: We can't go to CR until 6 months after FPWD, right?

Manu Sporny: We can't go to CR until 6 months after FPWD, right? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:25:22 <manu1> Ivan: I think maybe that's true, we'll check.

Ivan Herman: I think maybe that's true, we'll check. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:25:36 <ShaneM> Process should be FPWD then at least one more working draft, then last call around end of January 2013.

Process should be FPWD then at least one more working draft, then last call around end of January 2013.

14:25:56 <ShaneM> ivan: three weeks for last call, CR toward the end of February.

Ivan Herman: three weeks for last call, CR toward the end of February.

14:26:09 <ShaneM> ivan: Possible to try to jump over CR since the implementations are all in place already.

Ivan Herman: Possible to try to jump over CR since the implementations are all in place already.

14:27:38 <ShaneM> ivan: We have a strong story for this - we already have 3 interoperable implementations, people are already using it out in the field.

Ivan Herman: We have a strong story for this - we already have 3 interoperable implementations, people are already using it out in the field.

14:27:49 <manu1> Topic: Overview of remaining issues

3. Overview of remaining issues

14:27:58 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/open

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/open

14:29:32 <ShaneM> manu: There are some issues in the HTML WG tracker.  Should we migrate them over?

Manu Sporny: There are some issues in the HTML WG tracker. Should we migrate them over?

14:29:45 <ShaneM> ivan: I don't know what the process is in that group - ask Mike Smith.

Ivan Herman: I don't know what the process is in that group - ask Mike Smith.

14:29:52 <manu1> ACTION: Manu to contact Mike Smith(tm) and figure out how to migrate issues in HTML WG issue tracker to RDFa WG issue tracker.

ACTION: Manu to contact Mike Smith(tm) and figure out how to migrate issues in HTML WG issue tracker to RDFa WG issue tracker.

14:29:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Contact Mike Smith(tm) and figure out how to migrate issues in HTML WG issue tracker to RDFa WG issue tracker. [on Manu Sporny - due 2012-08-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-114 - Contact Mike Smith(tm) and figure out how to migrate issues in HTML WG issue tracker to RDFa WG issue tracker. [on Manu Sporny - due 2012-08-16].

14:33:20 <ShaneM> gkellogg: We should identify people to summarize the status of each open issue - each of them are already resolved.

Gregg Kellogg: We should identify people to summarize the status of each open issue - each of them are already resolved.

14:33:29 <ShaneM> gkellogg: there are tests for most of these already.

Gregg Kellogg: there are tests for most of these already.

14:34:12 <manu1> ACTION: Manu to write up summary of current state of ISSUE-126 and ISSUE-139.

ACTION: Manu to write up summary of current state of ISSUE-126 and ISSUE-139.

14:34:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Write up summary of current state of ISSUE-126 and ISSUE-139. [on Manu Sporny - due 2012-08-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-115 - Write up summary of current state of ISSUE-126 and ISSUE-139. [on Manu Sporny - due 2012-08-16].

14:34:33 <manu1> ACTION: Gregg to write up summary of current state of ISSUE-140 and ISSUE-141.

ACTION: Gregg to write up summary of current state of ISSUE-140 and ISSUE-141.

14:34:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Write up summary of current state of ISSUE-140 and ISSUE-141. [on Gregg Kellogg - due 2012-08-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-116 - Write up summary of current state of ISSUE-140 and ISSUE-141. [on Gregg Kellogg - due 2012-08-16].

14:35:41 <scor> ACTION: scorlosq to write up summary of current state of ISSUE-135 (with Niklas supporting)

ACTION: scorlosq to write up summary of current state of ISSUE-135 (with Niklas supporting)

14:35:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-117 - Write up summary of current state of ISSUE-135 (with Niklas supporting) [on Stéphane Corlosquet - due 2012-08-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-117 - Write up summary of current state of ISSUE-135 (with Niklas supporting) [on Stéphane Corlosquet - due 2012-08-16].

14:35:55 <manu1> ACTION: Shane to write up summary of current state of ISSUE-137.

ACTION: Shane to write up summary of current state of ISSUE-137.

14:35:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Write up summary of current state of ISSUE-137. [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-08-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-118 - Write up summary of current state of ISSUE-137. [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-08-16].

14:37:09 <manu1> Topic: Getting other members into the group

4. Getting other members into the group

14:38:06 <ShaneM> manu: we should get additional people to join - especially companies that are using HTML5 and RDFa actively already

Manu Sporny: we should get additional people to join - especially companies that are using HTML5 and RDFa actively already

14:44:26 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/fees/fees

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14:50:44 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.540.961.aaaa, manu1, niklasl, scor, gkellogg, Ivan, +1.612.217.aabb, ShaneM

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14:50:44 <manu1> Next telecon is September 6th, 2012.

Manu Sporny: Next telecon is September 6th, 2012.



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