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14:56:16 <tinkster> A fallback to .value seems like it would be more useful. I agree that this would mean failure was undetectable though - which is a bad thing.
Toby Inkster: A fallback to .value seems like it would be more useful. I agree that this would mean failure was undetectable though - which is a bad thing. ←
14:56:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:56:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 7332 ←
14:56:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes ←
14:56:20 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:56:20 <trackbot> Date: 02 December 2010
14:57:01 <manu1> I'm trying to figure out if it is safe to close ISSUE-57, or if you have an alternative proposal.
Manu Sporny: I'm trying to figure out if it is safe to close ISSUE-57, or if you have an alternative proposal. ←
14:57:41 <tinkster> My alternative proposal is to just return .value in the case of conversion failure.
Toby Inkster: My alternative proposal is to just return .value in the case of conversion failure. ←
14:58:18 <tinkster> I think each method has its advantages and disadvantages though, so can live with either solution.
Toby Inkster: I think each method has its advantages and disadvantages though, so can live with either solution. ←
14:58:43 <tinkster> Whatever closes the issue and stabllises the API fastest is fine.
Toby Inkster: Whatever closes the issue and stabllises the API fastest is fine. ←
14:59:09 <manu1> Ok, then I'm going to close the issue and if we have new input later on why the decision we made was a bad idea, we can re-open the issue.
Manu Sporny: Ok, then I'm going to close the issue and if we have new input later on why the decision we made was a bad idea, we can re-open the issue. ←
14:59:19 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:59:19 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:59:20 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started ←
14:59:22 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:59:38 <Zakim> + +44.785.583.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.785.583.aaaa ←
14:59:47 <tinkster> Zakim, aaaa is me.
Toby Inkster: Zakim, aaaa is me. ←
14:59:51 <Zakim> +tinkster; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tinkster; got it ←
15:00:13 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
15:00:18 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P14
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P14 ←
15:00:18 <Zakim> +manu1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it ←
15:01:47 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
15:01:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck ←
15:01:49 <Zakim> +Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud ←
15:02:21 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
15:02:25 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
15:02:25 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
15:02:55 <manu1> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:02:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, tinkster, manu1, Knud, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, tinkster, manu1, Knud, markbirbeck ←
15:03:26 <Steven_> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
15:03:26 <Zakim> ok, Steven_; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven_; the call is being made ←
15:03:28 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
15:03:36 <Zakim> +Shane
Zakim IRC Bot: +Shane ←
15:04:37 <manu1> Chair: Manu
15:04:40 <manu1> scribe: MarkB
(Scribe set to Mark Birbeck)
15:04:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:04:59 <manu1> scribenick: markbirbeck
15:05:20 <Nathan> Zakim, I am +[IPcaller]
Nathan Rixham: Zakim, I am +[IPcaller] ←
15:05:20 <Zakim> sorry, Nathan, I do not see a party named '+[IPcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Nathan, I do not see a party named '+[IPcaller]' ←
15:05:26 <Nathan> Zakim, I am IPcaller
Nathan Rixham: Zakim, I am IPcaller ←
15:05:26 <Zakim> ok, Nathan, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Nathan, I now associate you with [IPcaller] ←
15:05:30 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Nov/0126.html
15:05:54 <markbirbeck> Manu: Any other items?
Manu Sporny: Any other items? ←
15:06:12 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Thomas Steiner from Google will be visiting me next week.
Ivan Herman: Thomas Steiner from Google will be visiting me next week. ←
15:06:26 <markbirbeck> ...Will try to get as much feedback from him as possible about the RDFa API.
...Will try to get as much feedback from him as possible about the RDFa API. ←
15:07:25 <markbirbeck> @Ivan: Thanks. :)
@Ivan: Thanks. :) ←
15:07:27 <manu1> Topic: RDFa API Super-session
15:30:05 <manu1> Manu: Nathan has been updating the RDFa API: http://webr3.org/_pvt/rdfa-api
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Manu Sporny: Nathan has been updating the RDFa API: http://webr3.org/_pvt/rdfa-api [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:33:56 <markbirbeck> Manu: Progress on the API has been slow because changes tend to have a knock-on effect.
Manu Sporny: Progress on the API has been slow because changes tend to have a knock-on effect. ←
15:34:15 <markbirbeck> ...Proposal is to have a 'super-session' where we knock off lots of issues in one go.
...Proposal is to have a 'super-session' where we knock off lots of issues in one go. ←
15:34:29 <markbirbeck> ...Will put a poll online to find a time on Sunday.
...Will put a poll online to find a time on Sunday. ←
15:34:42 <markbirbeck> ...Then get a new draft up for next Thursday.
...Then get a new draft up for next Thursday. ←
15:34:56 <markbirbeck> ...Also want to ensure that we have something more advanced by the time new people join the group.
...Also want to ensure that we have something more advanced by the time new people join the group. ←
15:35:14 <markbirbeck> ...Ivan - you wanted to make some comments about the structure?
...Ivan - you wanted to make some comments about the structure? ←
15:35:30 <markbirbeck> Ivan: You have a set of sections that are defined as 'linked data' interfaces.
Ivan Herman: You have a set of sections that are defined as 'linked data' interfaces. ←
15:35:53 <markbirbeck> ...In terms of technology that may be true, but it may be less accurate when it comes to the messaging.
...In terms of technology that may be true, but it may be less accurate when it comes to the messaging. ←
15:36:24 <markbirbeck> ...It could create some unnecessary controversy.
...It could create some unnecessary controversy. ←
15:36:55 <markbirbeck> ...Would propose to cut the document into two.
...Would propose to cut the document into two. ←
15:37:41 <markbirbeck> ...The first would be a basic document focusing on the core.
...The first would be a basic document focusing on the core. ←
15:37:43 <manu1> q+ to comment on Nathan's proposed structure
Manu Sporny: q+ to comment on Nathan's proposed structure ←
15:37:58 <manu1> Nathan's proposed structure: http://pastebin.com/B8A4mh8k
Manu Sporny: Nathan's proposed structure: http://pastebin.com/B8A4mh8k ←
15:38:29 <manu1> ack manu1
Manu Sporny: ack manu1 ←
15:38:29 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to comment on Nathan's proposed structure
Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, you wanted to comment on Nathan's proposed structure ←
15:38:32 <Nathan> q+ to agree
Nathan Rixham: q+ to agree ←
15:38:32 <markbirbeck> ...The second would include the filters, property groups, etc., allowing people from a non-RDF background to get into it.
...The second would include the filters, property groups, etc., allowing people from a non-RDF background to get into it. ←
15:38:51 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:38:53 <markbirbeck> Manu: Agree generally, but think we should wait to split until we know where the charter is going.
Manu Sporny: Agree generally, but think we should wait to split until we know where the charter is going. ←
15:39:18 <markbirbeck> ...Like Nathan's proposal. Can still split later.
...Like Nathan's proposal. Can still split later. ←
15:39:29 <manu1> ack [IPcaller]
Manu Sporny: ack [IPcaller] ←
15:39:29 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to agree
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to agree ←
15:39:53 <markbirbeck> Nathan: Would prefer to split into two. Easier to read...easier to edit.
Nathan Rixham: Would prefer to split into two. Easier to read...easier to edit. ←
15:40:12 <manu1> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:40:33 <markbirbeck> Ivan: The reason I'm pushing for this is exactly because of these problems.
Ivan Herman: The reason I'm pushing for this is exactly because of these problems. ←
15:40:57 <markbirbeck> ...At the moment the charter talks of an RDFa API, and the possibility of a note for the RDF side.
...At the moment the charter talks of an RDFa API, and the possibility of a note for the RDF side. ←
15:42:02 <markbirbeck> ...The note would then be the starting-point for the new spec.
...The note would then be the starting-point for the new spec. ←
15:42:03 <Nathan> q+ to ask a question
Nathan Rixham: q+ to ask a question ←
15:42:11 <manu1> ack [IPcaller]
Manu Sporny: ack [IPcaller] ←
15:42:11 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to ask a question
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to ask a question ←
15:44:15 <Zakim> -tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: -tinkster ←
15:44:54 <Zakim> +tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: +tinkster ←
15:47:58 <markbirbeck> MarkB: Agree with a split.
Mark Birbeck: Agree with a split. ←
15:48:17 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:48:27 <markbirbeck> Shane: There is a risk, though, since the RDFa API is layered on top.
Shane McCarron: There is a risk, though, since the RDFa API is layered on top. ←
15:48:32 <markbirbeck> Ivan: No.
Ivan Herman: No. ←
15:48:37 <markbirbeck> Shane: Really?
Shane McCarron: Really? ←
15:48:42 <markbirbeck> Manu: Agree with Shane.
Manu Sporny: Agree with Shane. ←
15:49:13 <markbirbeck> ...We could be creating more work for ourselves.
...We could be creating more work for ourselves. ←
15:49:28 <markbirbeck> ...Important to keep the momentum going on the technical side.
...Important to keep the momentum going on the technical side. ←
15:49:36 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:50:12 <markbirbeck> Ivan: In my view the RDFa side would be layered on top of a fraction of what is in this document.
Ivan Herman: In my view the RDFa side would be layered on top of a fraction of what is in this document. ←
15:50:57 <markbirbeck> Shane: This doesn't clear up my concern...actually it's getting bigger.
Shane McCarron: This doesn't clear up my concern...actually it's getting bigger. ←
15:51:07 <markbirbeck> ...Concern is that you have a rec depending on a note.
...Concern is that you have a rec depending on a note. ←
15:52:15 <markbirbeck> Ivan: But what I'm proposing is that the rec version would include what is currently called the RDF interfaces, and the RDFa side. Then the note would contain the more complicated things.
Ivan Herman: But what I'm proposing is that the rec version would include what is currently called the RDF interfaces, and the RDFa side. Then the note would contain the more complicated things. ←
15:52:44 <markbirbeck> ...Query and a few other things are not part of RDFa.
...Query and a few other things are not part of RDFa. ←
15:53:50 <Nathan> q+ to discuss dependencies
Nathan Rixham: q+ to discuss dependencies ←
15:53:58 <manu1> ack [IPcaller]
Manu Sporny: ack [IPcaller] ←
15:53:58 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss dependencies
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss dependencies ←
15:54:20 <markbirbeck> Nathan: Wouldn't then a future RDF API be dependent on the RDFa API?
Nathan Rixham: Wouldn't then a future RDF API be dependent on the RDFa API? ←
15:56:08 <markbirbeck> Manu: Two notes?
Manu Sporny: Two notes? ←
15:56:15 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Two WDs.
Ivan Herman: Two WDs. ←
15:56:39 <markbirbeck> Manu: The split will be done over the weekend - Sunday, I'll send out a poll to invite people to participate.
Manu Sporny: The split will be done over the weekend - Sunday, I'll send out a poll to invite people to participate. ←
15:56:59 <Zakim> -tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: -tinkster ←
15:56:59 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:57:01 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:57:01 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:57:02 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:57:03 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
15:57:03 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:57:04 <Zakim> -Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud ←
15:57:06 <Zakim> -manu1
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu1 ←
15:57:15 <Zakim> -Shane
Zakim IRC Bot: -Shane ←
15:57:16 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended ←
15:57:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, +44.785.583.aaaa, tinkster, manu1, Knud, markbirbeck, Steven, Shane, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ivan, +44.785.583.aaaa, tinkster, manu1, Knud, markbirbeck, Steven, Shane, [IPcaller] ←
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