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RDF in XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 30 April 2009

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Apr/0082.html

Present

Unknown Manu_Sporny, Unknown Ralph_Swick, Unknown Michael_Hausenblas, Unknown Mark_Birbeck

Chair

Unknown Manu_Sporny

Scribe

Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown Ralph_Swick, Unknown msporny

Previous Meeting

http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Items
RDFa Updates (RDFa use cases, HTML5 micro-data thread on WHATWG)
OWL2 Manchester Syntax eschewing CURIEs - need to comment (Shane)
Framing the @profile discussion

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14:52:57 <msporny> zakim, this will be rdfa

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14:52:57 <Zakim> ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

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14:53:12 <msporny> Meeting: RDF in XHTML Task Force

14:53:27 <msporny> Chair: Manu_Sporny

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14:54:05 <msporny> previous: http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html

14:54:18 <msporny> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Apr/0082.html

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14:56:12 <msporny> Present: Manu_Sporny, Ralph_Swick, Michael_Hausenblas, Mark_Birbeck

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14:57:21 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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14:57:28 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

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14:57:55 <Zakim> +Ralph

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14:58:12 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P7

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14:58:12 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

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14:58:48 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick victim

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14:58:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick victim', mhausenblas

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14:58:52 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick victim?

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14:58:52 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mhausenblas.

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14:59:02 <mhausenblas> Zakim, a pick victim

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14:59:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'a pick victim', mhausenblas

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14:59:10 <mhausenblas> Zakim, am I the victim?

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14:59:10 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mhausenblas.

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14:59:19 <msporny> Zakim, pick a victim

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14:59:19 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas

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14:59:19 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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14:59:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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14:59:45 <mhausenblas> Scribenick: mhausenblas

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15:00:06 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html

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15:00:10 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:00:12 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?

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15:00:13 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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15:01:51 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] [CONTINUES] ←

15:02:02 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:02:26 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] [CONTINUES] ←

15:03:24 <Zakim> +??P14

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15:03:31 <ShaneM> zakim, ??P14 is ShaneM

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15:03:31 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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15:03:48 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:03:55 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Manu to update wiki page on current consensus for @prefix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

[NEW] ACTION: Manu to update wiki page on current consensus for @prefix [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:04:12 <msporny> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Alternate-prefix-declaration-mechanism

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15:04:15 <mhausenblas> -- done

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15:04:59 <Ralph> regrets+ Ben_Adida

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15:06:06 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes

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15:06:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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15:06:16 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, make logs public

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15:08:14 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:08:18 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:08:24 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:08:27 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:08:33 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:08:37 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:08:50 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←

15:08:57 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:09:11 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:09:14 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:09:20 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:09:24 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:10:20 <mhausenblas> Topic: RDFa Updates (RDFa use cases, HTML5 micro-data thread on WHATWG)

2. RDFa Updates (RDFa use cases, HTML5 micro-data thread on WHATWG)

15:11:22 <mhausenblas> Michael: Re RDFa validator

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas: Re RDFa validator ←

15:11:25 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Apr/0089.html

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15:12:42 <mhausenblas> looking http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-rdfa-syntax-20081014/#rdfa-attributes

looking http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-rdfa-syntax-20081014/#rdfa-attributes ←

15:13:31 <mhausenblas> someone did href=[foaf:Person]

someone did href=[foaf:Person] ←

created using i/Michael: I wondered/scribenick: ralph

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15:14:33 <Ralph> Michael: I wondered if we can write a validator that checks that each of the attribute values is of a correct type; CURIE, URI, etc.

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas: I wondered if we can write a validator that checks that each of the attribute values is of a correct type; CURIE, URI, etc. ←

15:14:42 <Ralph> Mark: no, I don't think this is easy

Unknown Mark_Birbeck: no, I don't think this is easy ←

15:15:28 <Ralph> ... property="http:..." would be flagged as a CURIE but then later you'd notice that there was no 'http' prefix defined

... property="http:..." would be flagged as a CURIE but then later you'd notice that there was no 'http' prefix defined ←

15:15:44 <mhausenblas> @datatype="http://www.....org/xml/schema/string"

Unknown mhausenblas: @datatype="http://www.....org/xml/schema/string" ←

15:15:58 <mhausenblas> http: is the token

Unknown mhausenblas: http: is the token ←

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15:16:23 <Ralph> Mark: it's almost impossible to distinguish

Unknown Mark_Birbeck: it's almost impossible to distinguish ←

15:16:36 <Ralph> Michael: but the URL schemes are registered

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas: but the URL schemes are registered ←

15:16:48 <mhausenblas> coming from http://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes.html

Unknown mhausenblas: coming from http://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes.html ←

15:16:53 <Ralph> ... so perhaps one could note when registered schemes are mis-used as prefixes

... so perhaps one could note when registered schemes are mis-used as prefixes ←

15:17:07 <Ralph> Mark: sure, a validator could be as strict as it wants

Unknown Mark_Birbeck: sure, a validator could be as strict as it wants ←

15:17:29 <Ralph> ... but there CURIE spec does not disallow using 'http' as a prefix, nor any other scheme type

... but there CURIE spec does not disallow using 'http' as a prefix, nor any other scheme type ←

15:17:38 <Ralph> ... and I'd oppose such a restriction

... and I'd oppose such a restriction ←

15:17:59 <Ralph> Shane: I've seen people choose to define 'http' as a prefix; it's a useful workaround

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Unknown Shane: I've seen people choose to define 'http' as a prefix; it's a useful workaround ←

15:18:15 <Ralph> ... I consider the ability to define http as a prefix is a feature

... I consider the ability to define http as a prefix is a feature ←

15:18:28 <Ralph> Manu: it's a nice trick but I don't think we should be recommending it

Unknown Manu_Sporny: it's a nice trick but I don't think we should be recommending it ←

15:18:43 <Ralph> ... Michael's question is 'what advice should a validator give?'

... Michael's question is 'what advice should a validator give?' ←

15:19:00 <Ralph> .... the validator could just note when a registered scheme is used as a prefix, not disallow it

.... the validator could just note when a registered scheme is used as a prefix, not disallow it ←

15:19:20 <Ralph> Shane: it's more important to flag cases where a CURIE prefix is used but never defined

Unknown Shane: it's more important to flag cases where a CURIE prefix is used but never defined ←

15:19:55 <Ralph> Michael: I could validate strings starting with http: against the HTTP URI syntax spec

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas: I could validate strings starting with http: against the HTTP URI syntax spec ←

15:20:36 <Ralph> ... a warning or hint -- not error -- might help for other registered schemes, even though there may not be many that would accidentally be used by a document author

... a warning or hint -- not error -- might help for other registered schemes, even though there may not be many that would accidentally be used by a document author ←

15:21:09 <Ralph> Mark: if the validator wants to complain about registered schemes as prefixes, then it should complain as soon as it sees xmlns:http=

Unknown Mark_Birbeck: if the validator wants to complain about registered schemes as prefixes, then it should complain as soon as it sees xmlns:http= ←

15:21:51 <Ralph> Shane: it would be fine to say "This prefix has not been defined; it looks like you're trying to use a URI.  Here's what to do instead ..."

Unknown Shane: it would be fine to say "This prefix has not been defined; it looks like you're trying to use a URI. Here's what to do instead ..." ←

15:22:00 <msporny> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-use-cases

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15:22:15 <Ralph> scribenick: mhausenblas

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15:22:33 <Ralph> i/Mark: it's almost/scribenick: ralph

15:22:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

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15:22:43 <mhausenblas> msporny: we have some 25 UC now

Unknown msporny: we have some 25 UC now ←

15:22:47 <msporny> http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-April/019374.html

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15:23:35 <Ralph> i/Michael: I wondered/scribenick: ralph

15:23:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

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15:24:35 <Ralph> s/ACTION: [NEW] Manu to update wiki/ACTION: [DONE] Manu to update wiki

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15:24:48 <mhausenblas> msporny: people are discussing UC

Unknown msporny: people are discussing UC ←

15:24:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

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15:25:56 <Ralph> s/[NEW] Manu to update wiki/[DONE] Manu to update wiki

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15:25:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

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15:26:06 <mhausenblas> markbirbeck: RDFa works already fine in HTML5

Unknown markbirbeck: RDFa works already fine in HTML5 ←

15:26:29 <mhausenblas> ... we continue to support people that want to use it

... we continue to support people that want to use it ←

15:27:05 <mhausenblas> ... and as a matter of fact people are using it

... and as a matter of fact people are using it ←

15:30:18 <mhausenblas> msporny: there seems to be a shift from non-data mechanism awareness to data awareness in HTML5

Unknown msporny: there seems to be a shift from non-data mechanism awareness to data awareness in HTML5 ←

15:31:36 <mhausenblas> markbirbeck: it is clear that the authority is here, in the end

Unknown markbirbeck: it is clear that the authority is here, in the end ←

15:32:04 <mhausenblas> ... and we're happy to give them advise *how* to implement it in HTML5

... and we're happy to give them advise *how* to implement it in HTML5 ←

15:33:10 <mhausenblas> ... RDFa has solved the decentralised voc management issue

... RDFa has solved the decentralised voc management issue ←

15:33:31 <mhausenblas> ... and one should encourage HTML5 not to become incompatible

... and one should encourage HTML5 not to become incompatible ←

15:37:04 <mhausenblas> ShaneM: RDFa helps HTML5 to support the Semantic Web

Unknown ShaneM: RDFa helps HTML5 to support the Semantic Web ←

15:37:34 <mhausenblas> q+

q+ ←

15:37:37 <ShaneM> RDFa helps EVERYTHING support the semantic web

Unknown ShaneM: RDFa helps EVERYTHING support the semantic web ←

15:38:17 <mhausenblas> Michael: there are other routes as well, just to note, for example http://ld2sd.deri.org/lod-ng-tutorial/

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas: there are other routes as well, just to note, for example http://ld2sd.deri.org/lod-ng-tutorial/ ←

15:41:37 <mhausenblas> ShaneM: next time when Ben and Steven are around we might continue this

Unknown ShaneM: next time when Ben and Steven are around we might continue this ←

15:41:47 <mhausenblas> ack me

ack me ←

15:43:39 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to talk with Ben about recent WHATWG use case activity.

ACTION: Manu to talk with Ben about recent WHATWG use case activity. ←

15:43:58 <mhausenblas> see also http://bitbucket.org/mhausenblas/lod-ng-tutorial/

15:44:21 <mhausenblas> Topic: OWL2 Manchester Syntax eschewing CURIEs - need to comment (Shane)

3. OWL2 Manchester Syntax eschewing CURIEs - need to comment (Shane)

15:44:36 <mhausenblas> ShaneM: OWL WG decided not to use CURIEs

Unknown ShaneM: OWL WG decided not to use CURIEs ←

15:44:48 <mhausenblas> ... rational was not clear, sad, though

... rational was not clear, sad, though ←

15:44:53 <markbirbeck> One more 'rdfa update': http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2009/04/23/more-rdfa-goodness-from-uk-government-web-sites

Unknown markbirbeck: One more 'rdfa update': http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2009/04/23/more-rdfa-goodness-from-uk-government-web-sites ←

15:45:27 <mhausenblas> ShaneM: seems there was a misunderstanding with CURIEs (re XMLNS)

Unknown ShaneM: seems there was a misunderstanding with CURIEs (re XMLNS) ←

15:45:49 <mhausenblas> ... but that will change

... but that will change ←

15:46:30 <mhausenblas> ... they invented an abbreviated URI mechanism

... they invented an abbreviated URI mechanism ←

15:46:31 <msporny> OWL2 Manchester Syntax document: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-owl2-manchester-syntax-20090421/

Unknown msporny: OWL2 Manchester Syntax document: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-owl2-manchester-syntax-20090421/ ←

15:46:40 <mhausenblas> ... but not a CURIE, funny enough

... but not a CURIE, funny enough ←

15:48:09 <mhausenblas> ... XHTML2 WG will send in a LC comment to object re this

... XHTML2 WG will send in a LC comment to object re this ←

15:48:28 <msporny> +1 for commenting on CURIEs

Unknown msporny: +1 for commenting on CURIEs ←

15:48:32 <mhausenblas> +1

+1 ←

15:49:32 <mhausenblas> ShaneM: will prepare a comment for XHTML2 WG, RDFa TF may join

Unknown ShaneM: will prepare a comment for XHTML2 WG, RDFa TF may join ←

15:49:41 <mhausenblas> ... due on 12 May

... due on 12 May ←

15:49:54 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0007.html "OWL-WG comment on CURIE" [Sandro Hawke 2009-04-09]

Unknown Ralph_Swick: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0007.html "OWL-WG comment on CURIE" [Sandro Hawke 2009-04-09] ←

15:51:42 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0009.html "Various issues with using CURIEs in OWL" [Bijan Parsia 2009-04-09]

Unknown Ralph_Swick: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0009.html "Various issues with using CURIEs in OWL" [Bijan Parsia 2009-04-09] ←

15:51:51 <mhausenblas> markbirbeck: RIF also refers to CURIEs

Unknown markbirbeck: RIF also refers to CURIEs ←

15:52:39 <Ralph> (the SPARQL REC is dated January 2008)

Unknown Ralph_Swick: (the SPARQL REC is dated January 2008) ←

15:52:58 <mhausenblas> Michael: the new SPARQL Update might change this ;)

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas: the new SPARQL Update might change this ;) ←

15:54:42 <mhausenblas> Topic: Framing the @profile discussion

4. Framing the @profile discussion

15:54:43 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Apr/0082.html

Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Apr/0082.html ←

15:54:53 <mhausenblas> ->  http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Profiles

-> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Profiles ←

15:55:09 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes

rrsagent, draft minutes ←

15:55:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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15:57:33 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

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15:57:48 <msporny> ShaneM: I think we need to define the requirements as well.

Unknown ShaneM: I think we need to define the requirements as well. ←

15:58:02 <Zakim> -mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas ←

15:58:12 <msporny> ... we're trying to figure out a way to define CURIE rules external to the document.

... we're trying to figure out a way to define CURIE rules external to the document. ←

15:58:23 <msporny> markbirbeck: I agree.

Unknown markbirbeck: I agree. ←

15:58:36 <ShaneM> where part of those rules include prefix mappings, and part include defining additional reserved words

Unknown ShaneM: where part of those rules include prefix mappings, and part include defining additional reserved words ←

15:58:43 <msporny> markbirbeck: Essentially, we want to get the same simplicity that Microformats has.

Unknown markbirbeck: Essentially, we want to get the same simplicity that Microformats has. ←

15:59:32 <msporny> markbirbeck: We might have a second use case - importing a collection of new tokens.

Unknown markbirbeck: We might have a second use case - importing a collection of new tokens. ←

15:59:45 <msporny> ShaneM: but you could do it with another mechanism.

Unknown ShaneM: but you could do it with another mechanism. ←

16:00:10 <msporny> ShaneM: That is a different problem than what we're currently discussing.

Unknown ShaneM: That is a different problem than what we're currently discussing. ←

16:00:34 <msporny> markbirbeck: that is true, but where this is heading - how do we set ourselves up for a future that we know is coming?

Unknown markbirbeck: that is true, but where this is heading - how do we set ourselves up for a future that we know is coming? ←

16:02:33 <msporny> markbirbeck: we need to make sure the rules get placed into a separate graph.

Unknown markbirbeck: we need to make sure the rules get placed into a separate graph. ←

16:02:56 <msporny> ShaneM: As long as we're generating triples, we should be good.

Unknown ShaneM: As long as we're generating triples, we should be good. ←

16:03:28 <msporny> markbirbeck: Are you saying that the external import mechanism is more important?

Unknown markbirbeck: Are you saying that the external import mechanism is more important? ←

16:03:35 <msporny> ShaneM: I think they're different, not tied to one another.

Unknown ShaneM: I think they're different, not tied to one another. ←

16:05:05 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to define a set of requirements and questions for extending CURIEs in an external document on the RDFa wiki.

ACTION: Manu to define a set of requirements and questions for extending CURIEs in an external document on the RDFa wiki. ←

16:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

16:08:01 <msporny> regrets+ Steven_Pemberton

regrets+ Steven_Pemberton ←

16:10:36 <msporny> s/ACTION: \[NEW\] Manu to update wiki page on/ACTION: \[DONE\] Manu to update wiki page on/g

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16:10:50 <msporny> rrsagent, please draft minutes

rrsagent, please draft minutes ←

16:10:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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16:11:04 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#rPN_LOCAL SPARQL PN_LOCAL BNF (allowed chars in prefixed names)

Unknown Ralph_Swick: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#rPN_LOCAL SPARQL PN_LOCAL BNF (allowed chars in prefixed names) ←

16:12:33 <msporny> s/ACTION: [NEW] Manu to update wiki page on/ACTION: [DONE] Manu to update wiki page on/

s/ACTION: [NEW] Manu to update wiki page on/ACTION: [DONE] Manu to update wiki page on/ (warning: replacement failed) ←

16:13:14 <msporny> rrsagent, please draft minutes

rrsagent, please draft minutes ←

16:13:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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16:14:55 <msporny> thanks :)

thanks :) ←

16:15:20 <msporny> good call everyone :) - have a good weekend! Talk again in 2 weeks.

good call everyone :) - have a good weekend! Talk again in 2 weeks. ←

16:15:26 <Zakim> -msporny

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16:20:30 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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16:20:33 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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16:20:35 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:20:36 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

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16:20:38 <Zakim> Attendees were mhausenblas, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were mhausenblas, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck, ShaneM ←

16:28:23 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

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16:28:23 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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16:28:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [CONTINUES] [1]

16:28:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-irc#T15-01-51

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16:28:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES] [2]

ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] [CONTINUES] [2] ←

16:28:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-irc#T15-02-26

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16:28:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to talk with Ben about recent WHATWG use case activity. [3]

ACTION: Manu to talk with Ben about recent WHATWG use case activity. [3] ←

16:28:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-irc#T15-43-39

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16:28:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to define a set of requirements and questions for extending CURIEs in an external document on the RDFa wiki. [4]

ACTION: Manu to define a set of requirements and questions for extending CURIEs in an external document on the RDFa wiki. [4] ←

16:28:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-rdfa-irc#T16-05-05

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