Meeting Record

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RDF in XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 24 July 2008

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jul/0087.html

Present

Unknown Ralph_Swick

Regrets

Unknown Mark_Birbeck

Chair

Unknown Ben_Adida

Scribe

Unknown Manu_Sporny, Unknown msporny, Unknown Ralph_Swick, Unknown manu

Previous Meeting

http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

To use http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt as the XSLT transform URL. link
Change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section link
Change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML though those documents won't validate. link

Topics

Action Items
Implementation Report

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14:54:17 <msporny> zakim, this will be SWD(RDFa)

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14:54:17 <Zakim> ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

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14:54:31 <msporny> ha :) - you scribed last time, I'll scribe this time.

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14:54:42 <msporny> Scribe: Manu_Sporny

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14:54:50 <msporny> ScribeNick: msporny

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14:55:01 <msporny> Meeting: RDF in XHTML Task Force

14:55:10 <msporny> Chair: Ben_Adida

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14:55:20 <msporny> Present: Ralph_Swick

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14:55:27 <msporny> Present+ Manu_Sporny

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14:55:39 <msporny> rrsagent, make log public

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14:55:49 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes

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14:55:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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14:56:12 <msporny> previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html

14:56:48 <msporny> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jul/0087.html

14:56:57 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes

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14:57:21 <msporny> Regrets: Mark_Birbeck

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15:02:11 <msporny> Present+ Shane_McCarron

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15:02:16 <msporny> Present+ Ben_Adida

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15:03:38 <msporny> zakim, I am IPcaller

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15:03:39 <Zakim> ok, msporny, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

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15:04:00 <msporny> Regrets+ Michael_Hausenblas

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15:04:26 <msporny> Regrets+ Steven_Pemberton

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15:05:46 <Zakim> - +1.408.338.aaaa

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15:08:30 <msporny> Present+ Jeremy_Carroll

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15:08:55 <msporny> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:09:09 <msporny> benadida: pretty short agenda today

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Unknown benadida: pretty short agenda today ←

15:09:37 <msporny> action items, implementation report, edits on the primer, HTML 4/5 thoughts

action items, implementation report, edits on the primer, HTML 4/5 thoughts ←

15:09:57 <msporny> benadida: we don't want to overstep our charter, all we can do is outline how it could work on the wiki

Unknown benadida: we don't want to overstep our charter, all we can do is outline how it could work on the wiki ←

15:10:56 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to log all CR issues to tracker

ACTION: Ben to log all CR issues to tracker ←

15:11:10 <msporny> ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in ACTION-16]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-16] ←

15:11:14 <msporny> -- continues

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15:11:43 <msporny> ACTION: Shane respond to commentor for ISSUE-121 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Shane respond to commentor for ISSUE-121 [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

15:11:47 <msporny> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:11:54 <msporny> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:12:05 <msporny> -- done

-- done ←

15:13:59 <Ralph> PROPOSE: http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt

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15:14:16 <Ralph> PROPOSE: http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa10-xslt

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15:14:33 <Zakim> + +1.408.338.aabb

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15:14:42 <Ralph> zakim, aabb is Jeremy

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15:14:42 <Zakim> +Jeremy; got it

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15:14:43 <benadida> +1 to non-dated version

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15:14:54 <msporny> benadida: do we have a W3C address for the XSLT?

Unknown benadida: do we have a W3C address for the XSLT? ←

15:15:00 <msporny> +1 to non-dated version

+1 to non-dated version ←

15:15:30 <benadida> +1 to non-versioned, I mean.

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15:15:34 <msporny> +1 to non-versioned :)

+1 to non-versioned :) ←

15:16:01 <msporny> RESOLVED: To use http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt as the XSLT transform URL.

RESOLVED: To use http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt as the XSLT transform URL. ←

15:16:20 <benadida> ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen

ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen ←

15:16:32 <benadida> ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI

ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI ←

15:18:00 <msporny> Shane: I'm interested in follow-your-nose concept, it would be good to test this stuff.

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Unknown Shane: I'm interested in follow-your-nose concept, it would be good to test this stuff. ←

15:18:28 <benadida> ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up.

ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. ←

15:18:44 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:18:47 <msporny> -- done

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15:18:50 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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15:18:54 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:18:57 <msporny> -- continues

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15:19:05 <msporny> ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki [recorded in ACTION-16]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-16] ←

15:19:11 <msporny> -- done

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15:19:29 <benadida> ACTION: Jeremy to add TQ's contribution for impl report to wiki

ACTION: Jeremy to add TQ's contribution for impl report to wiki ←

15:19:35 <msporny> ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]

ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03] ←

15:19:38 <msporny> -- continues

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15:20:08 <msporny> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:20:13 <msporny> -- continues

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15:20:21 <msporny> ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←

15:20:26 <msporny> -- continues

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15:20:34 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:20:35 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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15:20:44 <msporny> -- continues

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15:20:52 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

15:20:54 <msporny> -- continues

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15:21:00 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:21:02 <msporny> -- continues

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15:21:09 <msporny> ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:21:26 <msporny> -- continues

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15:21:41 <msporny> Topic: Implementation Report

2. Implementation Report

15:21:49 <msporny> benadida: our deadline was last friday for CR

Unknown benadida: our deadline was last friday for CR ←

15:21:53 <msporny> benadida: We have TQ's contribution

Unknown benadida: We have TQ's contribution ←

15:22:19 <msporny> benadida: We have a couple of issues and we believe that Alan's issues are not significant, but there are editorial issues we need to deal with.

Unknown benadida: We have a couple of issues and we believe that Alan's issues are not significant, but there are editorial issues we need to deal with. ←

15:22:36 <msporny> Ralph: I'm sure we'll need to make editorial changes

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I'm sure we'll need to make editorial changes ←

15:22:41 <msporny> benadida: we also need to update the primer.

Unknown benadida: we also need to update the primer. ←

15:22:56 <msporny> benadida: it would be good to time it together so we publish both syntax and primer at the same time.

Unknown benadida: it would be good to time it together so we publish both syntax and primer at the same time. ←

15:23:04 <msporny> ShaneM: disagree - update the primer immediately.

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Unknown ShaneM: disagree - update the primer immediately. ←

15:23:29 <msporny> ShaneM: The next time we publish, it must be PR, it's harder to do that than publish a new version of the primer.

Unknown ShaneM: The next time we publish, it must be PR, it's harder to do that than publish a new version of the primer. ←

15:23:43 <msporny> Jeremy: We can publish another CR.

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Unknown Jeremy: We can publish another CR. ←

15:23:49 <msporny> Ralph: but we don't really want to.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: but we don't really want to. ←

15:23:57 <msporny> Ralph: Our next document should be the final one.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Our next document should be the final one. ←

15:24:09 <msporny> benadida: August is upon us, is there an issue with that?

Unknown benadida: August is upon us, is there an issue with that? ←

15:24:16 <msporny> Ralph: Nobody will read it.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Nobody will read it. ←

15:24:30 <msporny> benadida: we have to give extra time in september for people to read it when they get back.

Unknown benadida: we have to give extra time in september for people to read it when they get back. ←

15:25:16 <msporny> benadida: is it Michael or you Manu that have to put the implementation report together?

Unknown benadida: is it Michael or you Manu that have to put the implementation report together? ←

15:25:23 <msporny> manu: Michael has the XSLT transform.

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Unknown manu: Michael has the XSLT transform. ←

15:25:44 <msporny> Ralph: we have to worry about the deployment workgroup schedule.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: we have to worry about the deployment workgroup schedule. ←

15:25:49 <msporny> benadida: isn't there a call next week?

Unknown benadida: isn't there a call next week? ←

15:26:01 <msporny> Ralph: next week, august 5th, and august 19th.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: next week, august 5th, and august 19th. ←

15:26:09 <msporny> benadida: Do we need reviewers for editorial changes?

Unknown benadida: Do we need reviewers for editorial changes? ←

15:26:18 <msporny> benadida: we need it for PR definitely.

Unknown benadida: we need it for PR definitely. ←

15:26:41 <msporny> benadida: I think next week we need reviewers from the WG for PR.

Unknown benadida: I think next week we need reviewers from the WG for PR. ←

15:26:46 <msporny> Ralph: When will we have a document for them?

Unknown Ralph_Swick: When will we have a document for them? ←

15:26:58 <msporny> benadida: Is 2 weeks from now sufficient?

Unknown benadida: Is 2 weeks from now sufficient? ←

15:27:14 <msporny> benadida: Could we shoot for the 19th for approval?

Unknown benadida: Could we shoot for the 19th for approval? ←

15:27:23 <msporny> Ralph: very ambitious, don't think it can happen in time.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: very ambitious, don't think it can happen in time. ←

15:27:31 <msporny> benadida: What could be the issue?

Unknown benadida: What could be the issue? ←

15:28:20 <msporny> Ralph: Alan asked some important questions about our examples, they're editorial, but we should look at it again.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Alan asked some important questions about our examples, they're editorial, but we should look at it again. ←

15:29:24 <msporny> Ralph: Alan believes there is some fundamental architectural issue, we believe these are editorial.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Alan believes there is some fundamental architectural issue, we believe these are editorial. ←

15:29:42 <msporny> Ralph: My point is, I don't know if we can resolve Issue 122 in two weeks.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: My point is, I don't know if we can resolve ISSUE-122 in two weeks. ←

15:30:07 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to tease out the more involved aspects of ISSUE-122

ACTION: Ben to tease out the more involved aspects of ISSUE-122 ←

15:30:37 <msporny> benadida: I'd like thoughts on what we need to do on that after I send the issues out.

Unknown benadida: I'd like thoughts on what we need to do on that after I send the issues out. ←

15:31:02 <msporny> benadida: based on what that looks like, we can give an update to the WG next week.

Unknown benadida: based on what that looks like, we can give an update to the WG next week. ←

15:31:11 <msporny> benadida: We could shoot for Aug 19th to give them the document.

Unknown benadida: We could shoot for Aug 19th to give them the document. ←

15:32:26 <msporny> benadida: we should get Mark's input before the 12th.

Unknown benadida: we should get Mark's input before the 12th. ←

15:32:39 <msporny> benadida: 2008-08-19 doc ready for review.

Unknown benadida: 2008-08-19 doc ready for review. ←

15:32:52 <msporny> benadida: two weeks later document ready for PR.

Unknown benadida: two weeks later document ready for PR. ←

15:33:08 <msporny> benadida: any issues with this schedule?

Unknown benadida: any issues with this schedule? ←

15:33:33 <msporny> benadida: august is going to be quiet anyway, two weeks won't make too much of a difference.

Unknown benadida: august is going to be quiet anyway, two weeks won't make too much of a difference. ←

15:33:57 <msporny> Ralph: I'll be gone sept. 9-18th

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I'll be gone sept. 9-18th ←

15:34:25 <msporny> Ralph: if we can have all of our evidence by sept. 7th, that would be good.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: if we can have all of our evidence by sept. 2nd, that would be good. ←

15:34:35 <Ralph> s/7th/2nd/

15:35:00 <msporny> benadida: you don't like "HTML" instead of "XHTML" in the Primer?

Unknown benadida: you don't like "HTML" instead of "XHTML" in the Primer? ←

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15:35:35 <Ralph> Manu: I've pointed a couple of people at the Primer and they immediately assume they can use RDFa with HTML4

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Unknown Manu: I've pointed a couple of people at the Primer and they immediately assume they can use RDFa with HTML4 ←

15:35:39 <Ralph> Ben: but they _can_

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Unknown Ben: but they _can_ ←

15:35:51 <Ralph> Manu: then I have to have a conversation about why it's OK if your document doesn't validate

Unknown Manu: then I have to have a conversation about why it's OK if your document doesn't validate ←

15:35:55 <Ralph> ... and people don't believe this

... and people don't believe this ←

15:36:25 <Ralph> Jeremy: add a paragraph explaining that while validation of HTML4+RDFa won't work, everything else will

Unknown Jeremy: add a paragraph explaining that while validation of HTML4+RDFa won't work, everything else will ←

15:36:39 <Ralph> Ben: I'm skeptical about those who demand validation because many of them have Web sites that don't validate

Unknown Ben: I'm skeptical about those who demand validation because many of them have Web sites that don't validate ←

15:37:03 <Ralph> Manu: a practical reason not to encourage documents that won't validate ...

Unknown Manu: a practical reason not to encourage documents that won't validate ... ←

15:37:25 <Ralph> ... fuzzbot by default tries to use XHTML and if this fails it falls back to HTML+tidy

... fuzzbot by default tries to use XHTML and if this fails it falls back to HTML+tidy ←

15:38:03 <Ralph> ... if people can't validate their document then fuzzbot's fallback mechanism has a side effect (via tidy) of stripping out the RDFa

... if people can't validate their document then fuzzbot's fallback mechanism has a side effect (via tidy) of stripping out the RDFa ←

15:39:02 <Ralph> Ben: if I forget a close tag, what happens?

Unknown Ben: if I forget a close tag, what happens? ←

15:39:20 <Ralph> Manu: Firefox will complain first, depending on the user's choice of mode

Unknown Manu: Firefox will complain first, depending on the user's choice of mode ←

15:39:44 <Ralph> Ben: consider XHTML1.1+RDFa -- FireFox will recover, what will fuzzbot do?

Unknown Ben: consider XHTML1.1+RDFa -- FireFox will recover, what will fuzzbot do? ←

15:40:00 <Ralph> Manu: if the document doesn't validate, fuzzbot won't find the triples

Unknown Manu: if the document doesn't validate, fuzzbot won't find the triples ←

15:40:19 <Ralph> ... the issue is that tidy destroys the invalid markup

... the issue is that tidy destroys the invalid markup ←

15:40:39 <Ralph> Ben: Ivan's approach is to try XHTML and if that fails then use the HTML5 DOM interface

Unknown Ben: Ivan's approach is to try XHTML and if that fails then use the HTML5 DOM interface ←

15:40:47 <Ralph> ... this seems to work out well

... this seems to work out well ←

15:41:00 <Ralph> Jeremy: doesn't this depend on which tidy options are used?

Unknown Jeremy: doesn't this depend on which tidy options are used? ←

15:41:11 <Ralph> ... [TopQuadrant is] using jtidy with success

... [TopQuadrant is] using jtidy with success ←

15:41:25 <Ralph> ... it's not the case that tidy needs to discard [the RDFa] markup

... it's not the case that tidy needs to discard [the RDFa] markup ←

15:42:00 <Ralph> Manu: the fundamental point is that for those cases where validation really does matter, we can't encourage HTML+RDFa right now.  We can't just ignore those users

Unknown Manu: the fundamental point is that for those cases where validation really does matter, we can't encourage HTML+RDFa right now. We can't just ignore those users ←

15:42:23 <Ralph> Ben: the next logical step in this work is to take up the HTML4/5+RDFa question

Unknown Ben: the next logical step in this work is to take up the HTML4/5+RDFa question ←

15:42:49 <Ralph> Shane: when Manu says 'valid', I think he really means 'well-formed'

Unknown Shane: when Manu says 'valid', I think he really means 'well-formed' ←

15:42:52 <Ralph> Manu: correct

Unknown Manu: correct ←

15:43:51 <Ralph> Shane: we can work with well-formed documents

Unknown Shane: we can work with well-formed documents ←

15:44:39 <Ralph> Ben: it's not hard to rely on whatever the browser does in its DOM

Unknown Ben: it's not hard to rely on whatever the browser does in its DOM ←

15:44:50 <Ralph> Shane: not hard if you're writing a browser-based tool

Unknown Shane: not hard if you're writing a browser-based tool ←

15:45:13 <Ralph> Manu: I agree that tools should do everything they can to extract the triples

Unknown Manu: I agree that tools should do everything they can to extract the triples ←

15:45:32 <Ralph> ... but it's dangerous for W3C to say "don't worry about validation"

... but it's dangerous for W3C to say "don't worry about validation" ←

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15:47:22 <Ralph> Jeremy: it's not that we're _recommending_ using this markup in HTML

Unknown Jeremy: it's not that we're _recommending_ using this markup in HTML ←

15:47:36 <Ralph> ... from a tool vendor's point of view it's a fact of life that there's bad HTML out there

... from a tool vendor's point of view it's a fact of life that there's bad HTML out there ←

15:48:25 <Ralph> ... we just have to work with it

... we just have to work with it ←

15:48:43 <Ralph> ... tool vendors and browser vendors _do_ work with the bad HTML that's out there

... tool vendors and browser vendors _do_ work with the bad HTML that's out there ←

15:49:21 <Ralph> ... it's a strength of the Web that authors don't need a lot of technical ability

... it's a strength of the Web that authors don't need a lot of technical ability ←

15:49:30 <ShaneM> q+ about our charter

Unknown ShaneM: q+ about our charter ←

15:49:45 <ShaneM> q+ to discuss our charter

Unknown ShaneM: q+ to discuss our charter ←

15:50:03 <Ralph> ... I'm in favor of the Primer saying "HTML" throughout

... I'm in favor of the Primer saying "HTML" throughout ←

15:50:47 <msporny> benadida: shane you're on the queue

Unknown benadida: shane you're on the queue [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:50:48 <Ralph> ... and that a seriously strong warning [about validation] would address the concern

... and that a seriously strong warning [about validation] would address the concern ←

15:51:17 <msporny> ShaneM: we've been chartered to work with SWD and XHTML2 to find ways to put RDF into XHTML.

Unknown ShaneM: we've been chartered to work with SWD and XHTML2 to find ways to put RDF into XHTML. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:51:21 <Ralph> Shane: our charter is only to address XHTML

Unknown Shane: our charter is only to address XHTML ←

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15:51:24 <msporny> benadida: you're correct.

Unknown benadida: you're correct. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:51:36 <msporny> benadida: this is a question we knew that was coming down the line.

Unknown benadida: this is a question we knew that was coming down the line. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:51:54 <msporny> benadida: If we say we weren't chartered to do that, it's not a good answer.

Unknown benadida: If we say we weren't chartered to do that, it's not a good answer. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:51:59 <Ralph> i/Manu: I've pointed a/scribenick: ralph

15:52:10 <msporny> ShaneM: we should be championing use in HTML... we shouldn't put it in the Primer.

Unknown ShaneM: we should be championing use in HTML... we shouldn't put it in the Primer. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

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15:52:13 <Ralph> i/benadida: you're correct/scribenick: manu

15:52:26 <Ralph> i/benadida: you're correct/scribenick: msporny

15:52:59 <msporny> Ralph: The charter was written when we thought that there would only be XHTML.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: The charter was written when we thought that there would only be XHTML. ←

15:53:28 <msporny> Ralph: it's not out of line for us to ask to re-open thinking about modularizing RDFa to HTML 4, XHTML and HTML 5

Unknown Ralph_Swick: it's not out of line for us to ask to re-open thinking about modularizing RDFa to HTML 4, XHTML and HTML 5 ←

15:54:10 <msporny> Ralph: We could add something stating that XHTML is a kind of HTML for the purposes of the Primer.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: We could add something stating that XHTML is a kind of HTML for the purposes of the Primer. ←

15:54:23 <msporny> benadida: would it be acceptable if we described XHTML as a subclass as HTML?

Unknown benadida: would it be acceptable if we described XHTML as a subclass as HTML? ←

15:54:26 <msporny> ShaneM: No.

Unknown ShaneM: No. ←

15:54:49 <msporny> ShaneM: nobody would say that XHTML is a form of HTML.

Unknown ShaneM: nobody would say that XHTML is a form of HTML. ←

15:55:16 <msporny> Ralph: I think Tim might use language like "There is an HTML family, of which XHTML, HTML4 and HTML5 are all members of this family."

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I think Tim might use language like "There is an HTML family, of which XHTML, HTML4 and HTML5 are all members of this family." ←

15:55:32 <msporny> benadida: Don't want cognitive load of XHTML to be on the reader's mind.

Unknown benadida: Don't want cognitive load of XHTML to be on the reader's mind. ←

15:56:24 <Ralph> Manu: it's bad practice to talk about things that _might_ happen in the future

Unknown Manu: it's bad practice to talk in the document about things that _might_ happen in the future [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

15:56:37 <Ralph> s/talk/talk in the document

15:57:21 <Ralph> ... talk about things that do work today

Unknown Ralph_Swick: ... talk about things that do work today ←

15:57:34 <Ralph> ... we should be describing best practices

Unknown Ralph_Swick: ... we should be describing best practices ←

15:57:55 <msporny> ShaneM: Let me tell you who does care - the W3C.

Unknown ShaneM: Let me tell you who does care - the W3C. ←

15:58:00 <msporny> ShaneM: We can't take that position.

Unknown ShaneM: We can't take that position. ←

15:58:10 <Ralph> Shane: we can't have a W3C document that says "put whatever you want in an HTML document"

Unknown Shane: we can't have a W3C document that says "put whatever you want in an HTML document" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

15:58:28 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

15:59:03 <msporny> Ralph: I don't know what the view is on that - re: Tim - how does validation work, how should it work?

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I don't know what the view is on that - re: Tim - how does validation work, how should it work? ←

15:59:18 <msporny> Ralph: Jeremy has a very pragmatic approach to this.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Jeremy has a very pragmatic approach to this. ←

15:59:27 <msporny> Ralph: We like to define stuff that has predictable results for everyone.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: We like to define stuff that has predictable results for everyone. ←

16:00:02 <msporny> Ralph: People like having standards so they can point to bugs in software and ask vendors to fix those bugs.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: People like having standards so they can point to bugs in software and ask vendors to fix those bugs. ←

16:00:14 <msporny> Ralph: The XML community took a hard stance when you get a non-well formed document.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: The XML community took a hard stance when you get a non-well formed document. ←

16:00:40 <msporny> Ralph: There is tension in that community because of that stance.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: There is tension in that community because of that stance. ←

16:00:56 <msporny> Ralph: tool vendors take a very pragmatic approach.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: tool vendors take a very pragmatic approach. ←

16:01:14 <msporny> Ralph: The question is, what can we say in the document to allow users some flexibility?

Unknown Ralph_Swick: The question is, what can we say in the document to allow users some flexibility? ←

16:02:37 <msporny> Jeremy: We could change it all to XHTML and put in a paragraph talking about it being useful in HTML4.

Unknown Jeremy: We could change it all to XHTML and put in a paragraph talking about it being useful in HTML4. ←

16:03:06 <msporny> Ralph: Those that care about valid documents will point to the Primer and use it against us, those that don't care about validation won't care.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Those that care about valid documents will point to the Primer and use it against us, those that don't care about validation won't care. ←

16:03:40 <msporny> benadida: is that okay with you Shane?

Unknown benadida: is that okay with you Shane? ←

16:04:01 <msporny> ShaneM: I think so.

Unknown ShaneM: I think so. ←

16:04:29 <msporny> ShaneM: I'm more interested in HTML4 and RDFa right now, I just don't want to mislead the readers of the Primer.

Unknown ShaneM: I'm more interested in HTML4 and RDFa right now, I just don't want to mislead the readers of the Primer. ←

16:05:21 <msporny> Ralph: We believe this is the right solution so we're trying to get this in as many places as possible.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: We believe this is the right solution so we're trying to get this in as many places as possible. ←

16:05:39 <benadida> PROPOSE: to change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML though those documents won't validate.

Unknown PROPOSE: to change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML though those documents won't validate. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ] ←

16:05:45 <msporny> +1

+1 ←

16:05:52 <Ralph> +1

Unknown Ralph_Swick: +1 ←

16:05:56 <benadida> +1 (grumble)

Unknown benadida: +1 (grumble) ←

16:05:57 <Zakim> -Jeremy

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16:06:16 <ShaneM> +1 (also grumble)

Unknown ShaneM: +1 (also grumble) ←

16:06:44 <msporny> RESOLVED: Change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section

RESOLVED: Change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section ←

16:06:44 <msporny>            pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML

pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML ←

16:06:45 <msporny>            though those documents won't validate.

though those documents won't validate. ←

16:07:11 <msporny> RESOLVED: Change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML though those documents won't validate.

RESOLVED: Change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML though those documents won't validate. ←

16:07:30 <Ralph> Ralph: not only "implementations may well accept" but "we have designed RDFa to make it easy for applications to accept"

Unknown Ralph_Swick: not only "implementations may well accept" but "we have designed RDFa to make it easy for applications to accept" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

16:07:36 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to update Primer according to resolution, and add note about "it was designed to eventually work in HTML, etc..."

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16:08:31 <msporny> benadida: We might want to start a page on the wiki on HTML 4 and HTML 5.

Unknown benadida: We might want to start a page on the wiki on HTML 4 and HTML 5. ←

16:09:19 <msporny> ShaneM: We could do it as a member submission.

Unknown ShaneM: We could do it as a member submission. ←

16:09:49 <msporny> Ralph: you could do it as an incubator group.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: you could do it as an incubator group. ←

16:10:17 <benadida> ACTION: Manu to start a wiki page for HTML4/5

ACTION: Manu to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 ←

16:10:22 <msporny> ShaneM: let's setup an wiki page.

Unknown ShaneM: let's setup an wiki page. ←

16:11:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

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16:12:00 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida

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16:12:47 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

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16:12:48 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, +1.408.338.aaaa, Ralph, Ben_Adida, Manu, +1.408.338.aabb, Jeremy

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16:12:57 <Ralph> zakim, bye

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16:13:00 <msporny>  /quit

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to log all CR issues to tracker [1]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [2]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane respond to commentor for ISSUE-121 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [3]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [4]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [5]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [6]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [7]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [8]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] [9]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [12]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [18]

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to update Primer according to resolution, and add note about "it was designed to eventually work in HTML, etc..." [20]

ACTION: Ben to update Primer according to resolution, and add note about "it was designed to eventually work in HTML, etc..." [20] ←

16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T16-07-36

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16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [21]

ACTION: Manu to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [21] ←

16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T16-10-17

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T16-10-17 ←

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