Meeting Record

RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 27 March 2008

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0344.html

Seen

Unknown Ben_Adida, Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown msporny

Regrets

Unknown MichaelH

Chair

Unknown benadida

Scribe

Unknown msporny, Unknown benadida, Unknown ralph

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

test 88 accepted link
test 91 accepted, with the addition of :foo and removing the '[]' from [:note] link
test 92 accepted with fix to add xhtml namespace link
test 93 accepted link
test 94 accepted with correction to XMLliteral to include the XHTML namespace link
test 98 rejected as duplicate link
test 99 accepted, link

Topics

Action Items
Test Cases
Primer

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14:58:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/27-rdfa-irc

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14:58:39 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

14:58:43 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa

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14:58:48 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0344.html

14:58:53 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public

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14:58:57 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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15:00:22 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-03-20

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15:01:28 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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15:01:28 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:01:29 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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15:01:31 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:01:32 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:01:39 <Zakim> -Steven

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15:01:41 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:02:46 <Ralph> Regrets: Michael

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15:03:47 <Zakim> +??P36

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15:03:53 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P36

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15:03:53 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

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15:04:17 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida

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15:05:21 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim

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15:05:22 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ben_Adida

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15:05:40 <benadida> chair: benadida

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15:05:46 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim

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15:05:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose msporny

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15:06:30 <benadida> Regrets: MichaelH

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15:06:45 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

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15:06:47 <benadida> Scribe: msporny

15:07:54 <msporny> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:08:19 <msporny> np, Ralph :)

np, Ralph :) ←

15:08:27 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to follow up on media type discussion with Steven, Ralph, and TAG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

ACTION: Ben to follow up on media type discussion with Steven, Ralph, and TAG [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

15:08:33 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

-- CONTINUES ←

15:08:55 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to add test cases for xmlliterals with namespace preservation, including one where the xmlliteral re-declares one of the namespaces [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Manu to add test cases for xmlliterals with namespace preservation, including one where the xmlliteral re-declares one of the namespaces [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:08:58 <msporny> -- DONE

-- DONE ←

15:09:08 <msporny> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:09:12 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

-- CONTINUES ←

15:09:20 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Ben to respond to ISSUE-87 [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:09:33 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

-- CONTINUES ←

15:09:36 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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15:09:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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15:09:44 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:09:50 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

-- CONTINUES ←

15:10:00 <msporny> ACTION: Manu write a response to Christian Hoertnagl for issue 7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Manu write a response to Christian Hoertnagl for ISSUE-7 [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:10:07 <Zakim> +markbirbeck

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15:10:28 <msporny> -- DONE

-- DONE ←

15:10:58 <msporny> ACTION: Ben and Ralph to review response to Christian Hoertnagl.

ACTION: Ben and Ralph to review response to Christian Hoertnagl. ←

15:11:19 <msporny> ACTION: Mark/Shane include issue 89 correction in Changes section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Mark/Shane include ISSUE-89 correction in Changes section [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:11:31 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

-- CONTINUES ←

15:11:39 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:11:41 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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15:12:05 <msporny> Ben: we have to review test cases and two issues today.

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Unknown Ben: we have to review test cases and two issues today. ←

15:12:24 <msporny> Ben: Have people read the discussion between TimBL and RDFa TF

Unknown Ben: Have people read the discussion between TimBL and RDFa TF ←

15:12:33 <msporny> Ben: ... concerning DOCTYPE.

Unknown Ben: ... concerning DOCTYPE. ←

15:12:44 <msporny> Steven: Read it, but not in detail.

Unknown Steven: Read it, but not in detail. ←

15:12:57 <msporny> Ben: Here's where I think we stand on this...

Unknown Ben: Here's where I think we stand on this... ←

15:13:04 <Ralph> q+

Unknown Ralph: q+ ←

15:13:14 <msporny> Ben: ... he's saying if we have a @profile, why don't we just put the equivalent profile in namespace document.

Unknown Ben: ... he's saying if we have a @profile, why don't we just put the equivalent profile in namespace document. ←

15:13:38 <msporny> Ben: I'm not opposed to it... we won't put @profile in instance documents and in the namespace document.

Unknown Ben: I'm not opposed to it... we won't put @profile in instance documents and in the namespace document. ←

15:13:46 <msporny> Ben: He says that we shouldn't use DOCTYPE

Unknown Ben: He says that we shouldn't use DOCTYPE ←

15:13:56 <msporny> Ben: but the W3C validator won't work if we do that.

Unknown Ben: but the W3C validator won't work if we do that. ←

15:14:20 <msporny> Ben: The modularization with schemas isn't REC at the point... so we can't depend on that.

Unknown Ben: The modularization with schemas isn't REC at the point... so we can't depend on that. ←

15:14:40 <msporny> Steven: We could say that when it becomes REC that we will reference it.

Unknown Steven: We could say that when it becomes REC that we will reference it. ←

15:14:45 <msporny> Ben: When do we say that?

Unknown Ben: When do we say that? ←

15:14:57 <msporny> Steven: We could respond to TimBL and put it in the spec.

Unknown Steven: We could respond to TimBL and put it in the spec. ←

15:15:24 <msporny> Ben: First issue is the idea of putting @profile in namespace document

Unknown Ben: First issue is the idea of putting @profile in namespace document ←

15:15:57 <msporny> Ben: Third thing is that RDFa processor shouldn't generate triples outside of default graph.

Unknown Ben: Third thing is that RDFa processor shouldn't generate triples outside of default graph. ←

15:16:11 <msporny> Ben: Second issue is not using DOCTYPE.

Unknown Ben: Second issue is not using DOCTYPE. ←

15:16:49 <msporny> Steven: DOCTYPE declaration is used by browsers currently to switch into standards mode.

Unknown Steven: DOCTYPE declaration is used by browsers currently to switch into standards mode. ←

15:17:05 <msporny> Steven: DTDs don't do any harm and people can still validate using them.

Unknown Steven: DTDs don't do any harm and people can still validate using them. ←

15:17:13 <msporny> Steven: They're still useful.

Unknown Steven: They're still useful. ←

15:17:27 <msporny> Ben: Will browsers switch into standards mode using our DOCTYPE declaration?

Unknown Ben: Will browsers switch into standards mode using our DOCTYPE declaration? ←

15:17:30 <msporny> Steven: Yes.

Unknown Steven: Yes. ←

15:17:44 <msporny> Ben: Then completely doing away with DOCTYPE is not the correct approach.

Unknown Ben: Then completely doing away with DOCTYPE is not the correct approach. ←

15:18:05 <msporny> ack Ralph

ack Ralph ←

15:18:09 <markbirbeck> q+

Unknown markbirbeck: q+ ←

15:18:17 <msporny> Ralph: Do we change a SHOULD to a MAY?

Unknown Ralph: Do we change a SHOULD to a MAY? ←

15:18:33 <msporny> Ralph: ... in the syntax document.

Unknown Ralph: ... in the syntax document. ←

15:18:52 <Steven> Without DTDs there are no character entities either

Unknown Steven: Without DTDs there are no character entities either ←

15:18:56 <msporny> Ben: So we shouldn't force people to do it, but we do think this is a valid way of doing this.

Unknown Ben: So we shouldn't force people to do it, but we do think this is a valid way of doing this. ←

15:19:26 <msporny> Ralph: Without DOCTYPE we have validation issues.

Unknown Ralph: Without DOCTYPE we have validation issues. ←

15:19:32 <msporny> ack markbirbeck

ack markbirbeck ←

15:19:42 <msporny> Mark: We should separate out the different issues here.

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Unknown Mark: We should separate out the different issues here. ←

15:19:53 <msporny> Mark: DOCTYPE as per standards mode isn't relevant to us.

Unknown Mark: DOCTYPE as per standards mode isn't relevant to us. ←

15:20:31 <msporny> Mark: We don't require standards mode and thus it confuses the issue by saying that the reason we have DOCTYPE was because of standards mode.

Unknown Mark: We don't require standards mode and thus it confuses the issue by saying that the reason we have DOCTYPE was because of standards mode. ←

15:20:49 <msporny> Mark: If detecting RDFa in the document isn't an issue, then all that matters is validation.

Unknown Mark: If detecting RDFa in the document isn't an issue, then all that matters is validation. ←

15:21:10 <msporny> Mark: If we want the document to be validated, they should use DOCTYPE... but that isn't part of the RDFa processing rules.

Unknown Mark: If we want the document to be validated, they should use DOCTYPE... but that isn't part of the RDFa processing rules. ←

15:21:19 <msporny> Ben: I like this direction.

Unknown Ben: I like this direction. ←

15:21:58 <msporny> Ben: Then we're saying DOCTYPE becomes a MAY, but we don't require it. You can validate with Schema, but we're providing DOCTYPE because there is no way to validate via Schema right now.

Unknown Ben: Then we're saying DOCTYPE becomes a MAY, but we don't require it. You can validate with Schema, but we're providing DOCTYPE because there is no way to validate via Schema right now. ←

15:22:27 <msporny> Steven: Sounds good, fine with MAY. We should hear from Shane... he feels strongly about SHOULD.

Unknown Steven: Sounds good, fine with MAY. We should hear from Shane... he feels strongly about SHOULD. ←

15:22:40 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to ask Shane about DOCTYPE and validation.

ACTION: Ben to ask Shane about DOCTYPE and validation. ←

15:22:46 <msporny> ack Ralph

ack Ralph ←

15:22:46 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment regarding @profile and namespace document

Zakim IRC Bot: Ralph, you wanted to comment regarding @profile and namespace document ←

15:24:12 <msporny> Ralph: The second part of TimBL's comment was that @profile should be a SHOULD or not.

Unknown Ralph: The second part of TimBL's comment was that @profile should be a SHOULD or not. ←

15:24:50 <msporny> Ralph: The point there that we might want to consider is that we're really extending the definition of XHTML 1 documents.

Unknown Ralph: The point there that we might want to consider is that we're really extending the definition of XHTML 1 documents. ←

15:25:17 <msporny> Ralph: TimBL said that rather than putting @profile in there, we should declare it in the namespace document.

Unknown Ralph: TimBL said that rather than putting @profile in there, we should declare it in the namespace document. ←

15:25:30 <msporny> Ben: Are we updating the XHTML namespace document?

Unknown Ben: Are we updating the XHTML namespace document? ←

15:25:37 <msporny> Steven: I don't think we need to personally.

Unknown Steven: I don't think we need to personally. ←

15:25:45 <msporny> Ben: How does this validate with Schema, then?

Unknown Ben: How does this validate with Schema, then? ←

15:26:01 <msporny> Ben: How do we validate the additional properties?

Unknown Ben: How do we validate the additional properties? ←

15:26:26 <msporny> Steven: We can update the namespace document...

Unknown Steven: We can update the namespace document... ←

15:26:26 <Ralph> the namespace document and the schema document are not the same thing

Unknown Ralph: the namespace document and the schema document are not the same thing ←

15:26:36 <msporny> Ben: The namespace document is not the schema document...

Unknown Ben: The namespace document is not the schema document... ←

15:26:39 <msporny> Steven: Yes.

Unknown Steven: Yes. ←

15:26:51 <msporny> Ben: Where is this extra module then?

Unknown Ben: Where is this extra module then? ←

15:27:21 <msporny> Steven: The idea is that you validate the document against a Schema..

Unknown Steven: The idea is that you validate the document against a Schema.. ←

15:27:26 <Ralph> q+ to clarify that we're talking about http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

Unknown Ralph: q+ to clarify that we're talking about http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml ←

15:27:31 <msporny> Ben: How does follow-your-nose fit in here?

Unknown Ben: How does follow-your-nose fit in here? ←

15:27:49 <msporny> Steven: It depends on what you mean... the XHTML2 working group were talking about this.

Unknown Steven: It depends on what you mean... the XHTML2 working group were talking about this. ←

15:28:21 <msporny> Steven: if you don't want to put the DOCTYPE in, we can use @version="..."

Unknown Steven: if you don't want to put the DOCTYPE in, we can use @version="..." ←

15:28:36 <msporny> Steven: That would be what says that the document is XHTML+RDFa.

Unknown Steven: That would be what says that the document is XHTML+RDFa. ←

15:29:08 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to clarify that we're talking about http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

Zakim IRC Bot: Ralph, you wanted to clarify that we're talking about http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml ←

15:29:15 <msporny> Ben: If we go down the xhtml namespace route, is there anything that's going to point to RDFa?

Unknown Ben: If we go down the xhtml namespace route, is there anything that's going to point to RDFa? ←

15:30:07 <msporny> Ralph: We're not interested in Schema documents, we're interested in whats at the end of the http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml URI.

Unknown Ralph: We're not interested in Schema documents, we're interested in whats at the end of the http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml URI. ←

15:31:03 <msporny> Ralph: Tim said that we can add to the namespace document, the declaration that says the interpretation of these RDFa attributes are the following...

Unknown Ralph: Tim said that we can add to the namespace document, the declaration that says the interpretation of these RDFa attributes are the following... ←

15:31:28 <msporny> Ralph: So what does the XHTML2 working group think about that?

Unknown Ralph: So what does the XHTML2 working group think about that? ←

15:31:40 <msporny> Ralph: Is modification to the namespace document a process in XHTML2.

Unknown Ralph: Is modification to the namespace document a process in XHTML2. ←

15:32:05 <msporny> Steven: No, we don't feel strongly about that document... documents at the end of namespace URIs are supposed to be informative.

Unknown Steven: No, we don't feel strongly about that document... documents at the end of namespace URIs are supposed to be informative. ←

15:32:43 <msporny> Ralph: TimBL would like that the namespace URI GRDDL to declare a variety of documents at that URI

Unknown Ralph: TimBL would like that the namespace URI GRDDL to declare a variety of documents at that URI ←

15:33:00 <msporny> Ralph: One of those would be a machine-readable GRDDL transform that will get RDF out of that document.

Unknown Ralph: One of those would be a machine-readable GRDDL transform that will get RDF out of that document. ←

15:33:28 <msporny> Ralph: The content of the XHTML namespace document isn't REC and isn't tightly controlled.

Unknown Ralph: The content of the XHTML namespace document isn't REC and isn't tightly controlled. ←

15:34:11 <msporny> Ralph: My suggestion, is that in place of the XHTML namespace document, we include in that document that we include enough RDFa to provide the GRDDL transform pointer.

Unknown Ralph: My suggestion, is that in place of the XHTML namespace document, we include in that document that we include enough RDFa to provide the GRDDL transform pointer. ←

15:34:14 <markbirbeck> q+

Unknown markbirbeck: q+ ←

15:34:23 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←

15:34:35 <Ralph> q+ to answer in case Mark asks some good questions

Unknown Ralph: q+ to answer in case Mark asks some good questions ←

15:34:54 <msporny> ack markbirbeck

ack markbirbeck ←

15:35:10 <msporny> Mark: I'm not sure if TimBL was suggesting one approach over another.

Unknown Mark: I'm not sure if TimBL was suggesting one approach over another. ←

15:35:19 <msporny> Mark: Ralph seems to be implying that he favors the GRDDL way.

Unknown Mark: Ralph seems to be implying that he favors the GRDDL way. ←

15:35:59 <msporny> Ralph: He's saying that we should take off SHOULD on the @profile... the only thing you need to put in the XHTML document is your new attributes.

Unknown Ralph: He's saying that we should take off SHOULD on the @profile... the only thing you need to put in the XHTML document is your new attributes. ←

15:36:16 <msporny> Ralph: but that's just one path...

Unknown Ralph: but that's just one path... ←

15:37:17 <msporny> Mark: Got the impression that he's stating that "you're writing attributes, go with it..."

Unknown Mark: Got the impression that he's stating that "you're writing attributes, go with it..." ←

15:37:30 <msporny> Mark: "for this to be done right, you have now extended XHTML..."

Unknown Mark: "for this to be done right, you have now extended XHTML..." ←

15:37:58 <msporny> Ben: I agree, to keep folks happy we should do that and we should add a GRDDL flag in the namespace document find it.

Unknown Ben: I agree, to keep folks happy we should do that and we should add a GRDDL flag in the namespace document find it. ←

15:38:03 <msporny> ack Ralph

ack Ralph ←

15:38:03 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to answer in case Mark asks some good questions

Zakim IRC Bot: Ralph, you wanted to answer in case Mark asks some good questions ←

15:38:58 <msporny> Ralph: Where GRDDL comes back in, TimBL isn't pushing GRDDL on us - he's saying that we have the opportunity to modify the namespace document.

Unknown Ralph: Where GRDDL comes back in, TimBL isn't pushing GRDDL on us - he's saying that we have the opportunity to modify the namespace document. ←

15:39:41 <msporny> Ralph: We should do it in a way that understands that there are deployed GRDDL things out there, and we should do something where that stuff just works for us.

Unknown Ralph: We should do it in a way that understands that there are deployed GRDDL things out there, and we should do something where that stuff just works for us. ←

15:40:01 <msporny> Ralph: He's not saying we should use GRDDL, but we might as way do it in the way GRDDL suggests.

Unknown Ralph: He's not saying we should use GRDDL, but we might as way do it in the way GRDDL suggests. ←

15:40:03 <msporny> Mark: Yup.

Unknown Mark: Yup. ←

15:40:20 <msporny> Mark: The only thing is that there is an issue with circularity.

Unknown Mark: The only thing is that there is an issue with circularity. ←

15:40:37 <msporny> Mark: if you have an RDFa parser that also supports GRDDL... what happens then?

Unknown Mark: if you have an RDFa parser that also supports GRDDL... what happens then? ←

15:41:01 <ShaneM> is a namespace document the document at the end of a namespace URI?

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Unknown ShaneM: is a namespace document the document at the end of a namespace URI? ←

15:41:30 <Steven> yes

Unknown Steven: yes ←

15:41:50 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/

Unknown Ralph: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/ ←

15:42:00 <Ralph> Tim suggests we serve http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml as RDDL

Unknown Ralph: Tim suggests we serve http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml as RDDL ←

15:42:13 <benadida> scribenick: benadida

(Scribe set to Unknown benadida)

15:42:23 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/ ←

15:42:25 <Ralph> Topic: Test Cases

2. Test Cases

15:42:43 <benadida> Manu: 14 new tests, starting at 88

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Unknown Manu: 14 new tests, starting at 88 ←

15:42:56 <Ralph> -- Test #88 (unreviewed): Interpretation of the CURIE "_:"

Unknown Ralph: -- Test #88 (unreviewed): Interpretation of the CURIE "_:" ←

15:43:50 <benadida> Mark: the [_:] notation, in Ivan's view, generates a new bnode each time.

Unknown Mark: the [_:] notation, in Ivan's view, generates a new bnode each time. ←

15:44:03 <benadida> Manu: a bit confused

Unknown Manu: a bit confused ←

15:44:41 <benadida> Mark: we haven't decided that.

Unknown Mark: we haven't decided that. ←

15:45:34 <benadida> Mark: this doesn't work in SPARQL, why should it work for us?

Unknown Mark: this doesn't work in SPARQL, why should it work for us? ←

15:46:26 <benadida> ... [_:] should act the same way as [_:a]

... [_:] should act the same way as [_:a] ←

15:47:00 <benadida> Shane: nothing in the processing rules to do this.

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Unknown Shane: nothing in the processing rules to do this. ←

15:47:06 <benadida> Mark: well we do use them to generate bnodes

Unknown Mark: well we do use them to generate bnodes ←

15:47:21 <benadida> about="[_:bnode1]"

about="[_:bnode1]" ←

15:47:50 <Ralph> Ben: @about="[_:bnode1]" is a way to refer to a bnode

Unknown Ben: @about="[_:bnode1]" is a way to refer to a bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:47:52 <benadida> about="[_:]"

about="[_:]" ←

15:48:12 <Ralph> ... the dilemna here is how to interpret @about="[_:]" -- i.e. where there's no local name

Unknown Ralph: ... the dilemna here is how to interpret @about="[_:]" -- i.e. where there's no local name ←

15:48:17 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me

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15:48:23 <markbirbeck> school's out...

Unknown markbirbeck: school's out... ←

15:48:26 <Ralph> ... so Ivan seems to be hoping that [_:] would be a way to instantiate a local name

Unknown Ralph: ... so Ivan seems to be hoping that [_:] would be a way to instantiate a local name ←

15:48:34 <Ralph> ... but that's going too far

Unknown Ralph: ... but that's going too far ←

15:48:40 <Ralph> ... beyond what sparql and turtle do

Unknown Ralph: ... beyond what sparql and turtle do ←

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15:49:54 <benadida> ACTION: Mark to double check the _:a bnode notation in RDFa syntax

ACTION: Mark to double check the _:a bnode notation in RDFa syntax ←

15:51:17 <ShaneM> I lied - section 6.3.2.4 explains that you can do this.  However, nothing in the curie parsing rules NOR in the processing sequence references it.

Unknown ShaneM: I lied - section 6.3.2.4 explains that you can do this. However, nothing in the curie parsing rules NOR in the processing sequence references it. ←

15:51:30 <Ralph> Ben: maybe we read too much into what Ivan is trying to do

Unknown Ben: maybe we read too much into what Ivan is trying to do [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:51:34 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph

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15:52:45 <Ralph> Mark: [Ivan] suggested that there be a shorthand to not having to keep generating local names

Unknown Mark: [Ivan] suggested that there be a shorthand to not having to keep generating local names [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:53:04 <Ralph> ... the purpose of this test is to verify that the shorthand does not exist

Unknown Ralph: ... the purpose of this test is to verify that the shorthand does not exist ←

15:53:13 <Ralph> ... the current SPARQL does not match what I think he's requesting

Unknown Ralph: ... the current SPARQL does not match what I think he's requesting ←

15:54:03 <ShaneM> but I do not understand how you avoid creating a bnode LATER that collides with a bnode that someone put in by hand.

Unknown ShaneM: but I do not understand how you avoid creating a bnode LATER that collides with a bnode that someone put in by hand. ←

15:54:10 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 88 accepted

RESOLVED: test 88 accepted ←

15:54:27 <Ralph> -- Test #91: Non-reserved, un-prefixed CURIE in @property

Unknown Ralph: -- Test #91: Non-reserved, un-prefixed CURIE in @property ←

15:54:38 <Ralph> Manu: we still generate triples for these

Unknown Manu: we still generate triples for these [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:55:34 <Ralph> Ben: why the '[]' ?

Unknown Ben: why the '[:note]' ? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:55:40 <Ralph> Manu: ah, we don't really need them

Unknown Manu: ah, we don't really need them [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:56:36 <Ralph> Shane: we removed special @property handling

Unknown Shane: we removed special @property handling [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:56:47 <Ralph> Ben: :next is normal CURIE resolution

Unknown Ben: :next is normal CURIE resolution [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:57:08 <Ralph> s/[]/[:note]/

16:00:06 <Ralph> Manu: should we add :next to this test case?  I think we test it elsewhere

Unknown Manu: should we add :next to this test case? I think we test it elsewhere [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:00:27 <Ralph> Ben: good to add :next and :foo to show that this is really just normal CURIE resolution, not about reserved words

Unknown Ben: good to add :next and :foo to show that this is really just normal CURIE resolution, not about reserved words [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:01:35 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 91 accepted, with the addition of :foo and removing the '[]' from [:note]

RESOLVED: test 91 accepted, with the addition of :foo and removing the '[]' from [:note] ←

16:01:51 <Ralph> -- Test #92: Tests XMLLiteral content with explicit @datatype

Unknown Ralph: -- Test #92: Tests XMLLiteral content with explicit @datatype ←

16:01:58 <Ralph> Manu: first of the set of XMLliteral tests

Unknown Manu: first of the set of XMLliteral tests [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:04 <Ralph> ... note the explicit datatype

Unknown Ralph: ... note the explicit datatype ←

16:02:11 <Ralph> ... the SPARQL is missing xmlns

Unknown Ralph: ... the SPARQL is missing xmlns ←

16:02:16 <msporny> SPARQL should look for: E = mc<sup xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">2</sup>: The Most Urgent Problem of Our Time

Unknown msporny: SPARQL should look for: E = mc<sup xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">2</sup>: The Most Urgent Problem of Our Time ←

16:02:52 <Ralph> Ben: make sure to correct test 11

Unknown Ben: make sure to correct test 11 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:03:11 <Ralph> Manu: test 11 does not have an explicit datatype

Unknown Manu: test 11 does not have an explicit datatype [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:03:16 <Ralph> ... but does need to be corrected

Unknown Ralph: ... but does need to be corrected ←

16:03:20 <markbirbeck> Note that the references to using bnodes in @about, etc., are tucked away in section 6.3.2.4. Although it's a normative section, it should really be drawn out more.

Unknown markbirbeck: Note that the references to using bnodes in @about, etc., are tucked away in section 6.3.2.4. Although it's a normative section, it should really be drawn out more. ←

16:03:22 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu correct test 11

ACTION: Manu correct test 11 ←

16:04:58 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 92 accepted

RESOLVED: test 92 accepted with fix to add xhtml namespace ←

16:05:13 <Ralph> s/accepted/accepted with fix to add xhtml namespace/

16:05:37 <Ralph> -- Test #93: Tests XMLLiteral content with explicit @datatype (user-data-typed literal)

Unknown Ralph: -- Test #93: Tests XMLLiteral content with explicit @datatype (user-data-typed literal) ←

16:06:11 <Ralph> Manu: the effect here is that the example.org namespace is declared and ex: is _not_ processed as an XMLliteral

Unknown Manu: the effect here is that the example.org namespace is declared and ex:XMLLiteral is _not_ processed as an XMLliteral [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:06:32 <Ralph> s/and ex:/and ex:XMLLiteral/

16:07:39 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 93 accepted

RESOLVED: test 93 accepted ←

16:07:57 <Ralph> -- Test #94: Tests XMLLiteral content with explicit @datatype (unusual prefix - bla:)

Unknown Ralph: -- Test #94: Tests XMLLiteral content with explicit @datatype (unusual prefix - bla:) ←

16:08:28 <msporny> SPARQL is incorrect, should be: "E = mc<sup xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">2</sup>: The Most Urgent Problem of Our Time"

Unknown msporny: SPARQL is incorrect, should be: "E = mc<sup xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">2</sup>: The Most Urgent Problem of Our Time" ←

16:08:32 <Ralph> Manu: the author used a non-typical nsprefix for the RDF namespace but it is recognized properly

Unknown Manu: the author used a non-typical nsprefix for the RDF namespace but it is recognized properly [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:09:23 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 94 accepted with correction to XMLliteral to include the XHTML namespace

RESOLVED: test 94 accepted with correction to XMLliteral to include the XHTML namespace ←

16:09:44 <Ralph> -- Test #95: No triples with two nested @rel

Unknown Ralph: -- Test #95: No triples with two nested @rel ←

16:09:56 <Ralph> Ben: this depends on the resolution to the late-binding-of-triples issue

Unknown Ben: this depends on the resolution to the late-binding-of-triples issue [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:10:04 <Ralph> ... so we should skip this until we resolve that issue

Unknown Ralph: ... so we should skip this until we resolve that issue ←

16:10:10 <markbirbeck> Note to Shane and Manu: "_:p" is also mentioned in section 7.

Unknown markbirbeck: Note to Shane and Manu: "_:p" is also mentioned in section 7. ←

16:10:11 <Ralph> Manu: same for 96, 97, and 98

Unknown Manu: same for 96, 97 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:10:32 <Ralph> s/, and 98/

16:10:48 <Ralph> -- Test #98: Single literal in nested pending triples

Unknown Ralph: -- Test #98: Single literal in nested pending triples ←

16:11:07 <Ralph> Manu: this is a repeat of test 78

Unknown Manu: this is a repeat of test 78 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:11:12 <Ralph> ... so we should reject

Unknown Ralph: ... so we should reject ←

16:11:46 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 98 rejected as duplicate

RESOLVED: test 98 rejected as duplicate ←

16:12:19 <Ralph> -- Test #99: Preservation of white space in literals

Unknown Ralph: -- Test #99: Preservation of white space in literals ←

16:12:51 <Ralph> Ben: I thought we'd agreed that all the tests would use normalized whitespace so that parsers who were forced to normalize would be able to cope

Unknown Ben: I thought we'd agreed that all the tests would use normalized whitespace so that parsers who were forced to normalize would be able to cope [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:13:05 <Ralph> ... that was my interpretation of the notes made while I was away

Unknown Ralph: ... that was my interpretation of the notes made while I was away ←

16:13:33 <Ralph> Manu: the intent was to not base the spec on the current implementation of MSIE

Unknown Manu: the intent was to not base the spec on the current implementation of MSIE [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:13:49 <Ralph> ... we wanted to preserve whitespace but not make that required?

Unknown Ralph: ... we wanted to preserve whitespace but not make that required? ←

16:13:55 <Ralph> Ben: yes, see resolution ...

Unknown Ben: yes, see resolution ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:14:05 <benadida> from 02/14: "RDFa will state that whitespace is preserved and note that some implementations might not behave this way"

Unknown benadida: from 02/14: "RDFa will state that whitespace is preserved and note that some implementations might not behave this way" ←

16:14:30 <Ralph> Manu: so is it OK to have a test case that some implementations might fail?

Unknown Manu: so is it OK to have a test case that some implementations might fail? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:14:46 <Ralph> Ben: the core issue for me is that this text does not render with the newlines preserved

Unknown Ben: the core issue for me is that this text does not render with the newlines preserved [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:15:13 <Ralph> ... so insisting on whitespace preservation breaks the correspondence between what's rendered and what's in the triplestore

Unknown Ralph: ... so insisting on whitespace preservation breaks the correspondence between what's rendered and what's in the triplestore ←

16:15:23 <Ralph> ... Steven then brought up PRE

Unknown Ralph: ... Steven then brought up PRE ←

16:15:58 <Ralph> Steven: that the newlines are not rendered on the screen is a characteristic of the rendering, not of the content

Unknown Steven: that the newlines are not rendered on the screen is a characteristic of the rendering, not of the content [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:16:13 <Ralph> ... the CSS might say to render the newlines

Unknown Ralph: ... the CSS might say to render the newlines ←

16:16:50 <Ralph> ... and the CSS property might change dynamically; you could switch the newlines on and off

Unknown Ralph: ... and the CSS property might change dynamically; you could switch the newlines on and off ←

16:17:46 <Ralph> Ben: I do know that some HTML authors rely on the fact that they can lay out their source to look pretty and know the rendering will remove the newlines

Unknown Ben: I do know that some HTML authors rely on the fact that they can lay out their source to look pretty and know the rendering will remove the newlines [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:17:54 <Ralph> ... I'd be happier if P were PRE

Unknown Ralph: ... I'd be happier if P were PRE ←

16:18:03 <Ralph> Steven: that's a halfway solution

Unknown Steven: that's a halfway solution [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:18:54 <Ralph> Ralph: I think PRE might add confusion

Unknown Ralph: I think PRE might add confusion [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:19:00 <Ralph> Manu: prefer to keep as is

Unknown Manu: prefer to keep as is [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:19:04 <Ralph> Ben: OK

Unknown Ben: OK [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:19:46 <Ralph> Manu: not sure if the SPARQL syntax is correct

Unknown Manu: not sure if the SPARQL syntax is correct [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:19:50 <Ralph> Ben: we'll find out :)

Unknown Ben: we'll find out :) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:20:13 <Ralph> Mark: SPARQL spec says you can use "\n"

Unknown Mark: SPARQL spec says you can use "\n" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:20:52 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 99 accepted, with addition of "\n" to the SPARQL

RESOLVED: test 99 accepted, ←

16:21:25 <Ralph> s/with addition of "\n" to the SPARQL//

16:21:36 <Ralph> Manu: we won't add "\n" until we discover we have to

Unknown Manu: we won't add "\n" until we discover we have to [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:21:48 <Ralph> Mark: the syntax seems to support both real newlines and "\n"

Unknown Mark: the syntax seems to support both real newlines and "\n" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:22:25 <Ralph> Ben: the remaining tests (100 - 103) are all about XMLLiteral with explicit namespaces

Unknown Ben: the remaining tests (100 - 103) are all about XMLLiteral with explicit namespaces [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:22:42 <Ralph> Manu: yes, but there's one issue we haven't discussed; the order of serialization of XML namespaces

Unknown Manu: yes, but there's one issue we haven't discussed; the order of serialization of XML namespaces [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:22:52 <Ralph> ... the SPARQL assumes a strict order of serialization

Unknown Ralph: ... the SPARQL assumes a strict order of serialization ←

16:23:04 <Ralph> Ben: is this a failure of the SPARQL engine?

Unknown Ben: is this a failure of the SPARQL engine? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:23:06 <Ralph> Manu: not sure

Unknown Manu: not sure [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:23:43 <Ralph> Ben: per last week's discussion, the SPARQL engine should be doing XML canonicalization

Unknown Ben: per last week's discussion, the SPARQL engine should be doing XML canonicalization [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:23:59 <Ralph> ... so if it doesn't match on the triples as expressed, that's a bug in the SPARQL engine

Unknown Ralph: ... so if it doesn't match on the triples as expressed, that's a bug in the SPARQL engine ←

16:24:12 <Ralph> Mark: yeah, that seems right

Unknown Mark: yeah, that seems right [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:25:04 <Ralph> Ben: it would be nice to write the SPARQL so as to cause the fewest possible failures among the existing SPARQL implementations

Unknown Ben: it would be nice to write the SPARQL so as to cause the fewest possible failures among the existing SPARQL implementations [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:26:24 <Ralph> Topic: Primer

3. Primer

16:26:40 <Ralph> Ben: I'm hoping to show you a highly updated Primer this weekend

Unknown Ben: I'm hoping to show you a highly updated Primer this weekend [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:26:47 <Ralph> ... takes into account a lot of comments

Unknown Ralph: ... takes into account a lot of comments ←

16:26:51 <ShaneM> I would like to recomment tha tyou have Roland (XHTML WG Chair) read it.  He has had trouble with our Primer in the past.

Unknown ShaneM: I would like to recomment that you have Roland (XHTML WG Chair) read it. He has had trouble with our Primer in the past. ←

16:26:59 <ShaneM> s/tha tyou/that you/

16:27:32 <Ralph> Ben: I'm happy for continued comments but I'm going to try to hold to a specific new approach that I'm taking

Unknown Ben: I'm happy for continued comments but I'm going to try to hold to a specific new approach that I'm taking [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:27:53 <Ralph> [adjourned]

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16:27:56 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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16:27:57 <Zakim> -Steven

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16:27:57 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida

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16:28:03 <msporny> Ralph, do you want me to clean up the minutes?

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16:28:23 <Ralph> sure, Manu, please :)

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16:28:27 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, Ralph, msporny, Ben_Adida, markbirbeck, ShaneM

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16:29:10 <msporny> I'll do that and e-mail them to you :)

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16:29:17 <msporny> ciao :)

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16:29:34 <msporny> no problemo :)

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16:29:50 <Ralph> zakim, bye

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to follow up on media type discussion with Steven, Ralph, and TAG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [1]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to add test cases for xmlliterals with namespace preservation, including one where the xmlliteral re-declares one of the namespaces [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [2]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [3]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [4]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [5]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu write a response to Christian Hoertnagl for issue 7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [6]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben and Ralph to review response to Christian Hoertnagl. [7]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark/Shane include issue 89 correction in Changes section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [8]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [9]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] [9] ←

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to ask Shane about DOCTYPE and validation. [10]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to double check the _:a bnode notation in RDFa syntax [11]

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16:30:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu correct test 11 [12]

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