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RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 03 January 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0003.html
Seen
Unknown McCarron, Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown benadida, Unknown msporny
Regrets
Unknown Michael, Unknown Mark
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. test 71 accepted, pending confirmation of SPARQL whitespace rules link
  2. test 72 accepted, removing unnecessary '#' link
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15:59:25 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, this will be rdfa

15:59:25 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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15:59:34 <Ralph> Meeting RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

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Unknown Ralph: Meeting RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

15:59:38 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
16:00:02 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0003.html
16:00:18 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-12-20

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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-12-20

16:00:28 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public

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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please make record public

16:00:47 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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16:00:54 <Zakim> +??P4

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16:01:05 <msporny> zakim, i am ??P4

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Unknown msporny: zakim, i am ??P4

16:01:05 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

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16:01:28 <Zakim> +Ralph

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16:01:32 <Zakim> -msporny

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16:01:33 <Zakim> +msporny

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16:03:22 <Zakim> +McCarron

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16:04:28 <Ralph> Regrets: Michael, Mark

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16:04:40 <Ralph> Regrets+ Simone

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Unknown Ralph: Regrets+ Simone

16:06:24 <Ralph> Manu: I think Ivan is suggesting that @instanceof does apply to @resource in some cases

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Unknown Manu: I think Mark and Ivan is suggesting that @instanceof does apply to @resource in some cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:06:27 <Zakim> +benadida

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16:06:46 <Ralph> ... whereas Ben and I think it is simpler if @instanceof never applies to @resource

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Unknown Ralph: ... whereas Ben and I think it is simpler if @instanceof never applies to @resource

16:06:50 <Ralph> s/Ivan/Mark and Ivan/
16:07:08 <Ralph> Shane: I interpret Mark's argument as saying @instanceof applies to the subject

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Unknown Shane: I interpret Mark's argument as saying @instanceof applies to the subject [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:07:50 <Ralph> Ben: where Mark splits @rel and @resource, I don't see a use case

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Unknown Ben: where Mark splits @rel and @resource, I don't see a use case [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:08:37 <Ralph> s/ and Ivan//
16:09:10 <Ralph> Ben: I'm concerned about multiple ways of expressing the same thing unless it enables a new use case

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Unknown Ben: I'm concerned about multiple ways of expressing the same thing unless it enables a new use case [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:09:45 <Ralph> Regrets+ Steven

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Unknown Ralph: Regrets+ Steven

16:10:34 <Ralph> Topic: Action Review

1. Action Review

16:11:43 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Ben to propose a solution for running tests locally [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Ben to propose a solution for running tests locally [recorded in ACTION-16]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-16]

16:11:59 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Ben to update primer to remove Libby's email address [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Ben to update primer to remove Libby's email address [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06]

16:12:08 <Ralph> Ben: I looked and didn't find it in the Primer

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Unknown Ben: I looked and didn't find it in the Primer [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:12:18 <Ralph> Manu: was a blanket action; it's definitely in the Syntax doc

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Unknown Manu: was a blanket action; it's definitely in the Syntax doc [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:13:21 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]

ACTION: Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-05]

16:13:28 <Ralph> --continues

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Unknown Ralph: --continues

16:13:39 <Ralph> Manu: only appears in test 19; I've sent mail to Michael

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Unknown Manu: only appears in test 19; I've sent mail to Michael [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:13:48 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Manu to check for BASE test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Manu to check for BASE test cases [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15]

16:14:32 <Ralph> Manu: I've proposed two tests, but apparently we previously resolved to not support xml:base (test73)

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Unknown Manu: I've proposed two tests, but apparently we previously resolved to not support xml:base (test73) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:14:41 <Ralph> ... test72 uses @base

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Unknown Ralph: ... test72 uses @base

16:14:50 <Ralph> ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07]

16:14:52 <Ralph> -- continues

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Unknown Ralph: -- continues

16:15:35 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

16:15:38 <Ralph> -- continues

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Unknown Ralph: -- continues

16:15:47 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06]

16:15:58 <Ralph> Ben: Michael has volunteered to work on the implementation report

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Unknown Ben: Michael has volunteered to work on the implementation report [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:16:02 <Ralph> ... on the wiki

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Unknown Ralph: ... on the wiki

16:16:14 <Ralph> ... so rdfa.info might point to or copy the wiki

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Unknown Ralph: ... so rdfa.info might point to or copy the wiki

16:16:18 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]

ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02]

16:16:20 <Ralph> -- continues

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Unknown Ralph: -- continues

16:16:27 <Ralph> Ben: draft under discussion

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Unknown Ben: draft under discussion [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:17:23 <Ralph> Shane: Mark wants the resource at the profile URI to be something useful

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Unknown Shane: Mark wants the resource at the profile URI to be something useful [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:18:07 <Ralph> ... I've said this several times too; it's just a matter of getting it done

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Unknown Ralph: ... I've said this several times too; it's just a matter of getting it done

16:18:32 <Ralph> ... he'd also like to see the resource be content-negotiated

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Unknown Ralph: ... he'd also like to see the resource be content-negotiated

16:19:02 <Ralph> ... and he suggests we also support the GRDDL alternative of <LINK rel='transform'>

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Unknown Ralph: ... and he suggests we also support the GRDDL alternative of <LINK rel='transform'>

16:19:28 <Ralph> Ben: but GRDDL's XHTML mechanism is @profile

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Unknown Ben: but GRDDL's XHTML mechanism is @profile [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:19:59 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

16:20:01 <Ralph> -- continues

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Unknown Ralph: -- continues

16:20:17 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06]

16:20:18 <Ralph> -- continues

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Unknown Ralph: -- continues

16:20:23 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

16:20:24 <Ralph> -- continues

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16:20:57 <Ralph> [SWDWG] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]

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Unknown Ralph: [SWDWG] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-03]

16:21:07 <Ralph> Ben: I've done a draft implementation report

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Unknown Ben: I've done a draft implementation report [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:21:15 <Ralph> [SWDWG] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]

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Unknown Ralph: [SWDWG] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-04]

16:21:25 <Ralph> Ben: I've updated the schedule

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Unknown Ben: I've updated the schedule [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:21:40 <Ralph> [SWDWG] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]

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Unknown Ralph: [SWDWG] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-05]

16:22:40 <Ralph> -- continues

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Unknown Ralph: -- continues

16:23:05 <Zakim> -McCarron

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Zakim IRC Bot: -McCarron

16:23:07 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM

16:23:29 <Ralph> Topic: @src

2. @src

16:24:18 <Ralph> Ben: defer decision until more folk are present

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Unknown Ben: defer decision until more folk are present [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:24:40 <Ralph> Topic: latest Syntax editors' draft

3. latest Syntax editors' draft

16:24:51 <Ralph> Manu: I have some feedback, which I'll put in mail

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Unknown Manu: I have some feedback, which I'll put in mail [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:24:58 <Ralph> ... it's becoming a long document

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Unknown Ralph: ... it's becoming a long document

16:25:16 <Ralph> ... looks good at a high level; I need more time to look at the detail

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Unknown Ralph: ... looks good at a high level; I need more time to look at the detail

16:25:26 <Ralph> ... it says what I thought we'd all agreed on

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Unknown Ralph: ... it says what I thought we'd all agreed on

16:26:18 <Ralph> ... outstanding issues; @instanceof applying to @resource, changing email addresses, dpedia examples use p: as namespace prefix which might confuse some readers

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Unknown Ralph: ... outstanding issues; @instanceof applying to @resource, changing email addresses, dpedia examples use p: as namespace prefix which might confuse some readers

16:26:54 <Ralph> Ben: I looked at the editors' draft and think it's coming together nicely.  Also have some small examples

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Unknown Ben: I looked at the editors' draft and think it's coming together nicely. Also have some small comments [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:26:58 <Ralph> s/examples/comments
16:27:42 <Ralph> Topic: test cases

4. test cases

16:27:51 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0004.html

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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0004.html

16:28:00 <Ralph> -- test 71

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Unknown Ralph: -- test 71

16:28:57 <Ralph> a triple can be generated even if @instanceof and @about is not specified anywhere in the document.

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Unknown Ralph: a triple can be generated even if @instanceof and @about is not specified anywhere in the document.

16:29:14 <Ralph> Manu: @href @rel with nothing else generates a triple

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Unknown Manu: @href @rel with nothing else generates a triple [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:29:56 <Ralph> Ben: the test is not wrong but it's different from the Creative Commons recommendation

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Unknown Ben: the test is not wrong but it's different from the Creative Commons recommendation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:30:20 <Ralph> ... so could we add another that uses @rel='license' per the CC recommendation?

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Unknown Ralph: ... so could we add another that uses @rel='license' per the CC recommendation?

16:30:32 <Ralph> Manu: happy to do that once 'license' is in the reserved list

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Unknown Manu: happy to do that once 'license' is in the reserved list [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:30:42 <Ralph> Shane: tell me to add 'license' to the reserved list

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Unknown Shane: tell me to add 'license' to the reserved list [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:30:43 <Ralph> [done]

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Unknown Ralph: [done]

16:31:41 <Ralph> Ben: does SPARQL require whitespace before '.'?

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Unknown Ben: does SPARQL require whitespace before '.'? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:32:25 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0005.html

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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0005.html

16:32:29 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 71 accepted, pending confirmation of SPARQL whitespace rules

RESOLVED: test 71 accepted, pending confirmation of SPARQL whitespace rules

16:32:32 <Ralph> -- test 72

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Unknown Ralph: -- test 72

16:32:59 <Ralph> BASE with relative URIs

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Unknown Ralph: BASE with relative URIs

16:34:53 <Ralph> Ben: recommend dropping '#' for simplification; it's not necessary here

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Unknown Ben: recommend dropping '#' for simplification; it's not necessary here [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:35:22 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 72 accepted, removing unnecessary '#'

RESOLVED: test 72 accepted, removing unnecessary '#'

16:35:57 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

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Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

16:36:22 <Ralph> Manu: we still have some whitespace canonicalization issues

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Unknown Manu: we still have some whitespace canonicalization issues [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:36:37 <Ralph> ... test 11 fails under some implementations and passes under others

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Unknown Ralph: ... test 11 fails under some implementations and passes under others

16:37:20 <Ralph> ... the current test strips all whitespace in the SPARQL but that's not strictly correct per the XHTML rules

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Unknown Ralph: ... the current test strips all whitespace in the SPARQL but that's not strictly correct per the XHTML rules

16:38:04 <Ralph> ... we could fix this by stripping the whitespace in the HTML

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Unknown Ralph: ... we could fix this by stripping the whitespace in the HTML

16:38:18 <Ralph> Ralph: the point of this test was not to test whitespace rules, but rather to test XMLliteral

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Unknown Ralph: the point of this test was not to test whitespace rules, but rather to test XMLliteral [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:38:37 <Ralph> Ben: to test whitespace we could use the XPath whitespace function in the SPARQL

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Unknown Ben: to test whitespace we could use the XPath whitespace function in the SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:39:29 <Ralph> Manu: I'm not sure that it would be correct to create a new test using the XPath function

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Unknown Manu: I'm not sure that it would be correct to create a new test using the XPath function [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:40:00 <Ralph> Ben: it's just a way to write a test that is independent of the parser implementation w.r.t. whitespace preservation

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Unknown Ben: it's just a way to write a test that is independent of the parser implementation w.r.t. whitespace preservation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:40:23 <Ralph> Topic: Schedule

5. Schedule

16:40:33 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule schedule

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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule schedule

16:41:25 <Ralph> Ben: I'd like us to reach agreement to have an editors' draft for the SWD WG to review by their Jan 15 telecon

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Unknown Ben: I'd like us to reach agreement to have an editors' draft for the SWD WG to review by their Jan 15 telecon [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:41:31 <Ralph> ... that's agressive

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Unknown Ralph: ... that's agressive

16:41:42 <Ralph> ... so please get comments to Mark and Shane by this weekend

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Unknown Ralph: ... so please get comments to Mark and Shane by this weekend

16:42:17 <msporny> Did I get disconnected?

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Unknown msporny: Did I get disconnected?

16:43:05 <Ralph> Ben: the only open issue we're discussing is the @resource thread in email

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Unknown Ben: the only open issue we're discussing is the @resource thread in email [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:43:07 <msporny> 'me sees that his link is dying....

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Unknown msporny: 'me sees that his link is dying....

16:44:58 <Ralph> Topic: HTML element

6. HTML element

16:45:18 <Ralph> Shane: Ivan observed that the RDFa attributes are not permitted on <HTML>

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Unknown Shane: Ivan observed that the RDFa attributes are not permitted on <HTML> [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:45:25 <Ralph> ... should this be permitted?

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Unknown Ralph: ... should this be permitted?

16:45:36 <Ralph> Manu: in one test case I wanted to say "there's a person, me, at this address"

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Unknown Manu: in one test case I wanted to say "there's a person, me, at this address" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:45:47 <Ralph> ... e.g. example.org/shane

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Unknown Ralph: ... e.g. example.org/shane

16:45:57 <Ralph> ... is there a way to set the type of a document as a Person?

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Unknown Ralph: ... is there a way to set the type of a document as a Person?

16:46:20 <Ralph> ... can you declare the rdf:type of what you're linking to?

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Unknown Ralph: ... can you declare the rdf:type of what you're linking to?

16:46:25 <Ralph> Ben: no way currently

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Unknown Ben: no way currently [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:46:56 <Ralph> ... if you're linking something with a typed relationship, the type of the object might be deducible

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Unknown Ralph: ... if you're linking something with a typed relationship, the type of the object might be deducible

16:46:56 <msporny> <a about="#me" rel="foaf:knows" href="http://example.org/shane">shane is here</a>

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Unknown msporny: <a about="#me" rel="foaf:knows" href="http://example.org/shane">shane is here</a>

16:47:24 <msporny> <html instanceof="foaf:Person">...</html>

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Unknown msporny: <html instanceof="foaf:Person">...</html>

16:47:45 <Ralph> Ben: we permit @instanceof on <HEAD>

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Unknown Ben: we permit @instanceof on <HEAD> [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:48:09 <Ralph> Manu: so if permitted on <HEAD>, why not also on <HTML>

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Unknown Manu: so if permitted on <HEAD>, why not also on <HTML> [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:48:19 <Ralph> Shane: I don't think there would be any parser ramifications

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Unknown Shane: I don't think there would be any parser ramifications [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:48:48 <Ralph> ... the HTML WG has never extended the HTML element except for @@

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Unknown Ralph: ... the HTML WG has never extended the HTML element except for @lang

16:48:56 <Ralph> ... HTML doesn't have @id or @class

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Unknown Ralph: ... HTML doesn't have @id or @class

16:49:20 <Ralph> Ben: consistency is nice, but let's defer to the HTML WG

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Unknown Ben: consistency is nice, but let's defer to the HTML WG [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:50:14 <Ralph> Shane: in my opinion it would be find for <HTML> to permit the RDFa attributes as well as @id and @class; let's see what the HTML WG wants to do

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Unknown Shane: in my opinion it would be find for <HTML> to permit the RDFa attributes as well as @id and @class; let's see what the HTML WG wants to do [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:50:17 <Zakim> -msporny

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Zakim IRC Bot: -msporny

16:50:18 <Ralph> [adjourned]

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Unknown Ralph: [adjourned]

16:50:18 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

16:50:23 <Zakim> -benadida

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Zakim IRC Bot: -benadida

16:50:24 <Zakim> -Ralph

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph

16:50:25 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

16:50:26 <Zakim> Attendees were msporny, Ralph, McCarron, benadida, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were msporny, Ralph, McCarron, benadida, ShaneM

16:52:14 <Ralph> s/@@/@lang
16:58:24 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please draft minutes

16:58:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

16:59:51 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, bye

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-actions.rdf :

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] [1]

ACTION: Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-05] [1]

16:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-13-21

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-13-21

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [2]

ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] [2]

16:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-14-50

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-14-50

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [3]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [3]

16:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-15-35

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-15-35

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [4]

ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [4]

16:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-15-47

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-15-47

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [5]

ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] [5]

16:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-16-18

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-16-18

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [6]

ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [6]

16:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-19-59

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-19-59

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [7]

ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [7]

16:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-20-17

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-20-17

16:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [8]

ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [8]

16:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-20-23

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-irc#T16-20-23

16:59:53 <Ralph> zakim, bye

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, bye



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