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RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 18 September 2013

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Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Arnaud Le Hors, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Ted Thibodeau, Zhe Wu
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Eric Prud'hommeaux
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. accept https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-11 as a record of the meeting of the 11 September meeting link
  2. moving https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html to LC with the intention of skipping CR link
Topics
14:57:43 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc

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14:57:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:57:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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14:57:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

14:57:48 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:57:48 <trackbot> Date: 18 September 2013
14:58:29 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

14:58:29 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

14:58:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:00:26 <Guus> chair: Guus
15:01:11 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

15:01:11 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller'

15:01:14 <TallTed> Zakim, this is rdf

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is rdf

15:01:14 <Zakim> ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

15:01:18 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.661.748.aaaa, OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.661.748.aaaa, OpenLink_Software

15:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:01:27 <TallTed> zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:01:27 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:01:28 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:01:29 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:01:33 <Zakim> +GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: +GavinC

15:01:35 <Zakim> - +1.661.748.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.661.748.aaaa

15:02:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:02:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:02:47 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:02:47 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:02:48 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/mid/8fff5ca3-3728-4276-8d7d-2c7fb98443b2@default

Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/mid/8fff5ca3-3728-4276-8d7d-2c7fb98443b2@default

15:03:28 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:03:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), GavinC, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), GavinC, AndyS

15:03:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:04:03 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:05:37 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice]

15:06:20 <Zakim> +Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri

15:06:25 <pfps> zakim, gvoice is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, gvoice is me

15:06:25 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it

15:07:17 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

15:08:35 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:08:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), GavinC, AndyS, Sandro, pfps, Souri, EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), GavinC, AndyS, Sandro, pfps, Souri, EricP

15:09:06 <ericP> Zakim, who's making noise?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, who's making noise?

15:09:17 <Zakim> ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: GavinC (12%), Guus_Schreiber (13%)

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: GavinC (12%), Guus_Schreiber (13%)

15:09:32 <Zakim> + +1.619.663.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.619.663.aabb

15:09:48 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me

15:09:48 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it

15:10:00 <pfps> minutes were fine

Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes were fine

15:10:15 <Zakim> + +081165aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +081165aacc

15:10:23 <AZ> Zakim, aacc is me

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, aacc is me

15:10:23 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it

15:10:26 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.18

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.18

15:10:30 <pfps> zakim, who is talking

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is talking

15:10:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', pfps

15:10:39 <pfps> zakim, who is making noise?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is making noise?

15:10:43 <TallTed> past minutes -- https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-11

Ted Thibodeau: past minutes -- https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-11

15:10:50 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (14%), EricP (24%)

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (14%), EricP (24%)

15:11:50 <AZ> I completed ACTION-209: Write a WG Note on RDF dataset semantics

Antoine Zimmermann: I completed ACTION-209: Write a WG Note on RDF dataset semantics

15:12:15 <ericP> RESOLVED: accept https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-11 as a record of the meeting of the 11 September meeting

RESOLVED: accept https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-11 as a record of the meeting of the 11 September meeting

15:13:04 <gavinc> CLOSE ACTION-284

Gavin Carothers: CLOSE ACTION-284

15:13:04 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-284.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-284.

15:13:11 <ericP> topic: TriG

1. TriG

15:13:57 <ericP> sandro: i'm satisfied with the doc going to LC and skipping CR

Sandro Hawke: i'm satisfied with the doc going to LC and skipping CR [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:14:43 <ericP> Souri: at one point we said a GRAPH statement associates a pair of (IRI, RDF Graph)

Souripriya Das: at one point we said a GRAPH statement associates a pair of (IRI, RDF Graph) [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:15:22 <ericP> ... if we say a GRAPH statement has two parts (label, graph), we can say the label can be a bnode or an IRI

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... if we say a GRAPH statement has two parts (label, graph), we can say the label can be a bnode or an IRI

15:16:09 <ericP> gavinc: re: GRAPH statement, I've written it a couple times but never managed to avoid making it controversial

Gavin Carothers: re: GRAPH statement, I've written it a couple times but never managed to avoid making it controversial [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:16:27 <AndyS> section 2.2 ... and it needs a tweak about {} - I'll fix.

Andy Seaborne: section 2.2 ... and it needs a tweak about {} - I'll fix.

15:16:49 <ericP> ... RDF Semantics goes out of its way to not say what are the things on the left and right

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... RDF Semantics goes out of its way to not say what are the things on the left and right

15:17:22 <ericP> ... there's really no pairing 'cause you can see the same GRAPH X later which will add to the associated graph

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... there's really no pairing 'cause you can see the same GRAPH X later which will add to the associated graph

15:17:54 <ericP> ... comments from Souri and sandro are in there. passes pubrules, ready to go

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... comments from Souri and sandro are in there. passes pubrules, ready to go

15:17:55 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

15:18:02 <pchampin> zakim, ??P5 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P5 is me

15:18:02 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

15:18:25 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:18:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), GavinC, AndyS, Sandro, pfps, Souri, EricP, zwu2, AZ, pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), GavinC, AndyS, Sandro, pfps, Souri, EricP, zwu2, AZ, pchampin

15:18:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, Souri, pfps, zwu2, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AZ, Souri, pfps, zwu2, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:18:31 <ericP> AndyS: yeah, we have to say that the right is *part of* a graph

Andy Seaborne: yeah, we have to say that the right is *part of* a graph [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:19:12 <ericP> Souri: i think that calling the left side a "label" will help

Souripriya Das: i think that calling the left side a "label" will help [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:19:25 <ericP> AndyS: is this a comment about TriG or Comments?

Andy Seaborne: is this a comment about TriG or Concepts? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:19:41 <ericP> Souri: just trying to make it easier to be objective

Souripriya Das: just trying to make it easier to be objective [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:19:48 <gavinc> s/Comments/Concepts
15:19:51 <Guus> scribe: ericP

(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)

15:20:55 <AndyS> I'm looking at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#

Andy Seaborne: I'm looking at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#

15:21:31 <ericP> [AndyS finds "label" in RDF Concepts for generalized RDF Dataset]

[AndyS finds "label" in RDF Concepts for generalized RDF Dataset]

15:21:38 <AndyS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/index.html

Andy Seaborne: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/index.html

15:21:39 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html

Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html

15:22:32 <gavinc> Publication ready documents go in drafts, that's generated by phantomjs respec2html.js http://localhost/~gavin/rdf-wg/trig/index.html drafts/trig/Overview.html

Gavin Carothers: Publication ready documents go in drafts, that's generated by phantomjs respec2html.js http://localhost/~gavin/rdf-wg/trig/index.html drafts/trig/Overview.html

15:22:46 <AZ> Zakim, who is noisy?

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is noisy?

15:22:52 <ericP> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html#grammar-production-PN_LOCAL is missing a set of ()s

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html#grammar-production-PN_LOCAL is missing a set of ()s

15:23:01 <Zakim> AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (53%), Souri (49%), EricP (59%)

Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (53%), Souri (49%), EricP (59%)

15:23:50 <gavinc> (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)?

Gavin Carothers: (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)?

15:24:16 <ericP> (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)?

(PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)?

15:24:22 <ericP> (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* (PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX))?

(PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* (PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX))?

15:25:23 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_LOCAL

http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_LOCAL

15:27:06 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin to change  (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)? to (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* (PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX))?

Gavin Carothers: ACTION Gavin to change (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)? to (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* (PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX))?

15:27:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-294 - Change  (pn_chars_u | ':' | [0-9] | plx) ((pn_chars | '.' | ':' | plx)* pn_chars | ':' | plx)? to (pn_chars_u | ':' | [0-9] | plx) ((pn_chars | '.' | ':' | plx)* (pn_chars | ':' | plx))? [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-294 - Change (pn_chars_u | ':' | [0-9] | plx) ((pn_chars | '.' | ':' | plx)* pn_chars | ':' | plx)? to (pn_chars_u | ':' | [0-9] | plx) ((pn_chars | '.' | ':' | plx)* (pn_chars | ':' | plx))? [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-25].

15:29:13 <ericP> U+xx

U+xx

15:29:17 <ericP> U+00xx

U+00xx

15:30:41 <ericP> noting that https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/d4c9c7296f9d/trig/trig.bnf already as the parens in "[168s] PN_LOCAL ::= ( PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX ) ( ( PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX )*  ( PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX ) ) ?"

noting that https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/d4c9c7296f9d/trig/trig.bnf already as the parens in "[168s] PN_LOCAL ::= ( PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX ) ( ( PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX )* ( PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX ) ) ?"

15:31:24 <ericP> PROPOSED: moving https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html to LC with the intention of skipping CR

PROPOSED: moving https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html to LC with the intention of skipping CR

15:31:28 <gavinc> " The Last Call period ends 11 October 2013"

Gavin Carothers: " The Last Call period ends 11 October 2013"

15:31:36 <ericP> +1

+1

15:31:37 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:31:37 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:31:39 <AndyS> subject to ACTION-294

Andy Seaborne: subject to ACTION-294

15:31:53 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:31:56 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:31:57 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:31:58 <zwu2> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

15:31:59 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:32:01 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:32:04 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:32:21 <ericP> RESOLVED: moving https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html to LC with the intention of skipping CR

RESOLVED: moving https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html to LC with the intention of skipping CR

15:32:41 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:33:05 <ericP> Guus: calculating expected pub date, we have a 3 week LC period

Guus Schreiber: calculating expected pub date, we have a 3 week LC period

15:33:19 <ericP> ... any comments on that?

... any comments on that?

15:33:22 <ericP> [none]

[none]

15:37:11 <ericP> ACTION: gavinc to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence)

ACTION: gavinc to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence)

15:37:11 <trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

15:37:20 <ericP> ACTION: gavin to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence)

ACTION: gavin to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence)

15:37:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-295 - Set the lc period to end on 11 october 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 sept (two days hence) [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-295 - Set the lc period to end on 11 october 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 sept (two days hence) [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-25].

15:38:40 <ericP> topic: LC Comments on Concepts, Semantics

2. LC Comments on Concepts, Semantics

15:39:26 <ericP> Guus, jjc has proposed http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0017.html

Guus, jjc has proposed http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0017.html

15:39:48 <ericP> sandro: i believe discussion has moved on since those proposals

Sandro Hawke: i believe discussion has moved on since those proposals

15:40:53 <ericP> ... i raised some issues. he responded positively, but not in archived mail

... i raised some issues. he responded positively, but not in archived mail

15:40:59 <pfps> is there a pointer to the -archives messages?

Peter Patel-Schneider: is there a pointer to the -archives messages?

15:42:58 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

15:43:13 <ericP> sandro: these proposals are not my favorite (my fave being the one Greg disliked two days ago)

Sandro Hawke: these proposals are not my favorite (my fave being the one Greg disliked two days ago)

15:43:35 <ericP> Guus: what don't you like about jjc's?

Guus Schreiber: what don't you like about jjc's?

15:43:56 <ericP> sandro: i don't see them as harmful but i don't see them improving things

Sandro Hawke: i don't see them as harmful but i don't see them improving things

15:44:45 <ericP> pfps: i don't think that sentence sais anything (and jjc does 'cause he says it's normative), then it's normative

Peter Patel-Schneider: i don't think that sentence sais anything (and jjc does 'cause he says it's normative), then it's normative

15:45:07 <ericP> ... if it *does* say something, it's saying that *the* IRI of the graph is where it is

... if it *does* say something, it's saying that *the* IRI of the graph is where it is

15:45:48 <ericP> ... this implies that if you publish a graph at an IRI, that's the name of the graph

... this implies that if you publish a graph at an IRI, that's the name of the graph

15:46:15 <ericP> q+ to provide a screw case

q+ to provide a screw case

15:46:30 <pchampin> q+ to propose a counter argument

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ to propose a counter argument

15:46:32 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:46:32 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:47:22 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:47:22 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:47:27 <ericP> sandro: agree with pfps and think that it either muddies the waters or says something we don't expect

Sandro Hawke: agree with pfps and think that it either muddies the waters or says something we don't expect

15:48:24 <AZ> Zakim, who is noisy?

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is noisy?

15:48:35 <Zakim> AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (37%), AndyS (24%), EricP (81%)

Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (37%), AndyS (24%), EricP (81%)

15:48:36 <pchampin> q-

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q-

15:48:38 <ericP> ... patH, jjc and I appear to have arrived at the concensus that we need to add metadata to a graph at one location without applying the same metadata about all identical graphs

... patH, jjc and I appear to have arrived at the concensus that we need to add metadata to a graph at one location without applying the same metadata about all identical graphs

15:49:04 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

15:49:22 <Guus> ack ericP

Guus Schreiber: ack ericP

15:49:22 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to provide a screw case

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to provide a screw case

15:51:58 <ericP> sandro: maybe by next week, we'll have reached consensus with jjc or agreed to disagree

Sandro Hawke: maybe by next week, we'll have reached consensus with jjc or agreed to disagree

15:52:38 <ericP> AndyS: will someone bring the resolution back to the WG?

Andy Seaborne: will someone bring the resolution back to the WG?

15:53:16 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

15:53:59 <ericP> ACTION: sandro to let the WG know where this conversation stands on Tuesday morning

ACTION: sandro to let the WG know where this conversation stands on Tuesday morning

15:53:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-296 - Let the wg know where this conversation stands on tuesday morning [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-09-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-296 - Let the wg know where this conversation stands on tuesday morning [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-09-25].

15:54:01 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

15:54:16 <ericP> topic: Test suite for Semantics

3. Test suite for Semantics

15:54:26 <ericP> Guus: everyone did their actions

Guus Schreiber: everyone did their actions

15:54:41 <ericP> ... there's a long thread that needs to be turned into actual test code

... there's a long thread that needs to be turned into actual test code

15:54:51 <ericP> pfps: who knows how to put this in the right places?

Peter Patel-Schneider: who knows how to put this in the right places?

15:55:18 <ericP> sandro: i think we want to copy the old CVS/webspace test suite into mercurial

Sandro Hawke: i think we want to copy the old CVS/webspace test suite into mercurial

15:55:42 <ericP> ... i haven't compared that [the old] manifest to our current tests

... i haven't compared that [the old] manifest to our current tests

15:56:33 <AZ> I can try doing this

Antoine Zimmermann: I can try doing this

15:58:12 <Guus> ACTION: Antoine to write Semantics tests with help of Sandro

ACTION: Antoine to write Semantics tests with help of Sandro

15:58:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-297 - Write semantics tests with help of sandro [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-09-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-297 - Write semantics tests with help of sandro [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-09-25].

15:58:36 <ericP> topic: Dataset Semantics

4. Dataset Semantics

15:58:49 <ericP> sandro: i think this is the same discussion as with jjc

Sandro Hawke: i think this is the same discussion as with jjc

15:59:22 <ericP> ... i believe greg would -1 the note i have in mind

... i believe greg would -1 the note i have in mind

16:00:00 <ericP> pfps: note that PatH's message in the agenda is about data *type* semantics

Peter Patel-Schneider: note that PatH's message in the agenda is about data *type* semantics

16:00:10 <ericP> Guus: my error

Guus Schreiber: my error

16:00:29 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:00:36 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

16:00:37 <Zakim> -GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC

16:00:38 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

16:00:40 <ericP> ADJOURNED

ADJOURNED

16:00:41 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

16:00:43 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

16:00:45 <gavinc> Publication request away!

Gavin Carothers: Publication request away!

16:00:47 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

16:00:48 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

16:00:48 <Zakim> -pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps

16:00:51 <Zakim> -pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin

16:00:57 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

16:00:57 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber

Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber

16:00:57 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

16:00:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, +1.661.748.aaaa, TallTed, GavinC, AndyS, Sandro, Souri, pfps, EricP, zwu2, +081165aacc, AZ, pchampin, Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, +1.661.748.aaaa, TallTed, GavinC, AndyS, Sandro, Souri, pfps, EricP, zwu2, +081165aacc, AZ, pchampin, Arnaud

16:01:00 <gavinc> CLOSE ACTION-295

Gavin Carothers: CLOSE ACTION-295

16:01:01 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-295.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-295.

16:01:10 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting

Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting

16:01:10 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:01:11 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

16:01:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:01:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

16:01:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:01:19 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

16:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavinc to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence) [1]

ACTION: gavinc to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence) [1]

16:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-37-11

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-37-11

16:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence) [2]

ACTION: gavin to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence) [2]

16:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-37-20

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-37-20

16:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro to let the WG know where this conversation stands on Tuesday morning [3]

ACTION: sandro to let the WG know where this conversation stands on Tuesday morning [3]

16:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-53-59

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-53-59

16:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine to write Semantics tests with help of Sandro [4]

ACTION: Antoine to write Semantics tests with help of Sandro [4]

16:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-12

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-12



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