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RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 26 June 2013

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Andy Seaborne, Arnaud Le Hors, Charles Greer, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Gregg Kellogg, Guus Schreiber, Markus Lanthaler, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Scott Bauer, Souripriya Das, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Raimond
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Markus Lanthaler, Yves Raimond
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. accept the minutes of the 19 June telecon link
Topics
14:58:49 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-rdf-wg-irc

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14:58:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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14:58:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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14:58:54 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:58:54 <trackbot> Date: 26 June 2013
14:59:12 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

14:59:12 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

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14:59:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP, sandro

15:00:09 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:09 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, pfps

15:00:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP, sandro

15:00:28 <pfps> zakim, this will be rdf-wg

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this will be rdf-wg

15:00:28 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, pfps

15:00:35 <AndyS> zakim problems?  code not recognized

Andy Seaborne: zakim problems? code not recognized

15:00:42 <pfps> zakim, this will be 73394

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this will be 73394

15:00:43 <Zakim> ok, pfps; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now

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15:00:44 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:00:45 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

15:00:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP, sandro

15:01:22 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.06.26

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.06.26

15:01:25 <AndyS> zakim, code?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, code?

15:01:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), AndyS

15:01:31 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial ericP-office

15:01:31 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; the call is being made

15:01:35 <Guus> chair: Guus
15:01:47 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here

15:01:47 <Zakim> TallTed, you need to end that query with '?'

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15:01:50 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:01:50 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, TallTed

15:01:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP,

15:01:51 <Zakim> ... sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro

15:01:54 <TallTed> Zakim, this is rdfwg

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is rdfwg

15:01:54 <Zakim> ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

15:01:58 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:01:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.408.992.aaaa, +1.415.686.aabb, [OpenLink], EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.408.992.aaaa, +1.415.686.aabb, [OpenLink], EricP

15:02:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP,

15:02:01 <Zakim> ... sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro

15:02:13 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

15:02:13 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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15:02:14 <Zakim> + +1.707.318.aacc

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15:02:16 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:02:16 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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15:02:20 <Zakim> +??P15

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15:02:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:02:23 <cgreer> zakim, aacc is me

Charles Greer: zakim, aacc is me

15:02:24 <Zakim> +cgreer; got it

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15:02:25 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28

15:02:26 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

15:02:26 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

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15:02:28 <pchampin> zakim, ??P15 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P15 is me

15:02:28 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

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15:02:34 <Zakim> - +1.415.686.aabb

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15:02:35 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P28 is me

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P28 is me

15:02:36 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it

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15:02:46 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:02:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.408.992.aaaa, TallTed (muted), EricP, cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.408.992.aaaa, TallTed (muted), EricP, cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, yvesr

15:02:47 <TallTed> trackbot, start meeting

Ted Thibodeau: trackbot, start meeting

15:02:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat, ericP,

15:02:48 <Zakim> ... sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro

15:02:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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15:02:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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15:02:51 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago

15:02:52 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:02:52 <trackbot> Date: 26 June 2013
15:04:12 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:04:12 <Zakim> sorry, TallTed, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TallTed, I don't know what conference this is

15:04:34 <TallTed> Zakim, this is rdfwg

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is rdfwg

15:04:34 <Zakim> ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

15:04:38 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:04:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.408.992.aaaa, TallTed (muted), EricP, cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, yvesr, Sandro, +1.415.686.aadd, GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.408.992.aaaa, TallTed (muted), EricP, cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, yvesr, Sandro, +1.415.686.aadd, GavinC

15:04:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see PatH, markus, ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PatH, markus, ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, yvesr, trackbot, manu, mischat,

15:04:40 <Zakim> ... ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP, sandro

15:04:44 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH

15:04:48 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:04:52 <Zakim> +??P42

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42

15:04:57 <markus> zakim, ??P42 is me

Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P42 is me

15:04:57 <Zakim> +markus; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it

15:06:40 <markus> scribe: markus

(Scribe set to Markus Lanthaler)

15:06:56 <markus> guus: comments on minutes of last meeting?

Guus Schreiber: comments on minutes of last meeting?

15:07:12 <Guus> zakim, this is rdf-wg

Guus Schreiber: zakim, this is rdf-wg

15:07:12 <Zakim> sorry, Guus, I do not see a conference named 'rdf-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Guus, I do not see a conference named 'rdf-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time

15:07:14 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:07:14 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:07:24 <sandro> trackbot, start meeting

Sandro Hawke: trackbot, start meeting

15:07:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

15:07:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 73394

15:07:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 7 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 7 minutes ago

15:07:29 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:07:29 <trackbot> Date: 26 June 2013
15:08:16 <markus> RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 19 June telecon

RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 19 June telecon

15:08:20 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:08:20 <Zakim> I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted

Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted

15:08:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.408.992.aaaa, TallTed, EricP, cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, yvesr, Sandro, +1.415.686.aadd, GavinC, PatH, Arnaud, markus, Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.408.992.aaaa, TallTed, EricP, cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, yvesr, Sandro, +1.415.686.aadd, GavinC, PatH, Arnaud, markus, Souri

15:08:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, PatH, markus, ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, yvesr, trackbot, manu,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Souri, PatH, markus, ScottB, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Guus, pchampin, cgreer, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed, manu1, SteveH, gavinc, yvesr, trackbot, manu,

15:08:21 <Zakim> ... mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... mischat, ericP, sandro

15:08:31 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

15:08:35 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:08:35 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:09:00 <markus> pfps: there's no note on skolemization etc. it's not done

Peter Patel-Schneider: there's no note on skolemization etc. it's not done

15:09:12 <markus> guus: ok, I'll change the state to "open"

Guus Schreiber: ok, I'll change the state to "open"

15:09:13 <pfps> Concepts doesn't have anything on compatability or skolemization as per the action item.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Concepts doesn't have anything on compatability or skolemization as per the action item.

15:09:20 <Zakim> +Tony

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony

15:09:51 <ScottB> Zakim, Tony is temporarily me

Scott Bauer: Zakim, Tony is temporarily me

15:09:51 <Zakim> +ScottB; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ScottB; got it

15:09:59 <markus> TOPIC: publication of test suites

1. publication of test suites

15:10:32 <markus> guus: the official title is Turtle test suite but that will have to change

Guus Schreiber: the official title is Turtle test suite but that will have to change

15:10:34 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/

15:10:40 <ericP> Tests for Turtle - Terse RDF Triple Language

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Tests for Turtle - Terse RDF Triple Language

15:11:10 <markus> ericP: I believe the directory is also specific so we'll use other directories for other test suites

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I believe the directory is also specific so we'll use other directories for other test suites

15:11:16 <markus> guus: I was talking about the wiki page

Guus Schreiber: I was talking about the wiki page

15:11:20 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Test_Suite#Turtle_Tests

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Test_Suite#Turtle_Tests

15:11:46 <markus> ericp: we can certainly change that. I'll fix it

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we can certainly change that. I'll fix it

15:12:14 <markus> ... there were 3-4 actions on me on this: license, zip, respond to some commenters

... there were 3-4 actions on me on this: license, zip, respond to some commenters

15:12:36 <markus> ... we declined one request *sorry missed it, something with ASCII chars*

... we declined one request *sorry missed it, something with ASCII chars*

15:12:48 <markus> ... have replies for other commenters ready

... have replies for other commenters ready

15:12:58 <markus> ... everything is reflected in wiki page

... everything is reflected in wiki page

15:13:35 <markus> guus: there's also a link from comments from andy

Guus Schreiber: there's also a link from comments from andy

15:13:59 <gavinc> and someone needs to write back on PrEfIx/BaSe

Gavin Carothers: and someone needs to write back on PrEfIx/BaSe

15:14:01 <markus> ericp: there's zip file (maybe not up to date).. I'll update it

Eric Prud'hommeaux: there's zip file (maybe not up to date).. I'll update it

15:14:02 <AndyS> EricP: rolleg NT results to be classic NT i.e. ASCII only, not UTF-8

Eric Prud'hommeaux: rolleg NT results to be classic NT i.e. ASCII only, not UTF-8 [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ]

15:14:08 <markus> guus: license?

Guus Schreiber: license?

15:14:19 <markus> ericp: it's fixed

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's fixed

15:14:28 <gkellogg> q+

Gregg Kellogg: q+

15:14:38 <markus> guus: so ready to be published?

Guus Schreiber: so ready to be published?

15:14:48 <markus> ericp: once we agree to accept those changes

Eric Prud'hommeaux: once we agree to accept those changes

15:15:06 <markus> andys: where did you make the changes?

Andy Seaborne: where did you make the changes?

15:15:14 <markus> ericp: perhaps I didn't pushed yet

Eric Prud'hommeaux: perhaps I didn't push it yet

15:15:30 <markus> s/pushed/push it/
15:15:49 <markus> ericp: everything under cvs now, not under mercurial anymore

Eric Prud'hommeaux: everything under cvs now, not under mercurial anymore

15:16:28 <markus> gavinc: (?) do I have to get the zip and diff to get the changes?

Gavin Carothers: (?) do I have to get the zip and diff to get the changes?

15:16:51 <markus> ericp: I can also give you the changes

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can also give you the changes

15:16:56 <markus> gavinc: log from cvs is fine too

Gavin Carothers: log from cvs is fine too

15:17:07 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/manifest.ttl

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/manifest.ttl

15:17:30 <markus> ericp: manifest has the changes.. look for "jeremy"

Eric Prud'hommeaux: manifest has the changes.. look for "jeremy"

15:17:52 <markus> ... I'll give you the log for the ascii in n-triples changes

... I'll give you the log for the ascii in n-triples changes

15:18:18 <AndyS> AndyS: 291 tests, all passed, latest zip file.

Andy Seaborne: 291 tests, all passed, latest zip file. [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ]

15:18:23 <gkellogg> q?

Gregg Kellogg: q?

15:18:48 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

15:19:01 <Guus> ack gkellogg

Guus Schreiber: ack gkellogg

15:19:05 <gavinc> yeah, but http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/comment_following_localName.ttl

Gavin Carothers: yeah, but http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/comment_following_localName.ttl

15:19:18 <gavinc> So no, I can't see changes ;)

Gavin Carothers: So no, I can't see changes ;)

15:19:22 <markus> gkellogg: will this wiki page be updated with info for nquads and trig?

Gregg Kellogg: will this wiki page be updated with info for nquads and trig?

15:19:29 <markus> ... I think there's no test suite for trig yet

... I think there's no test suite for n-quads yet

15:20:06 <markus> s/trig yet/n-quads yet/
15:20:22 <markus> ... I'm happy to create a first version of the n-quads test suite

... I'm happy to create a first version of the n-quads test suite

15:21:06 <markus> guus: I would just call it RDF Test Suites

Guus Schreiber: I would just call it RDF Test Suites

15:21:32 <markus> sandro: maybe just RDF Tests?

Sandro Hawke: maybe just RDF Tests?

15:21:38 <ericP> RDF Test Sweets?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: RDF Test Sweets?

15:21:43 <gavinc> Clearly

Gavin Carothers: Clearly

15:23:21 <markus> ACTION gkellogg: create first version of n-quads test suite

ACTION gkellogg: create first version of n-quads test suite

15:23:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Create first version of n-quads test suite [on Gregg Kellogg - due 2013-07-03].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-275 - Create first version of n-quads test suite [on Gregg Kellogg - due 2013-07-03].

15:23:47 <AndyS> gavinc: TriG ready LC draft next week

Gavin Carothers: TriG ready LC draft next week [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ]

15:24:03 <markus> gavinc: n-triples and n-quads originally planned to publish as one doc

Gavin Carothers: n-triples and n-quads originally planned to publish as one doc

15:24:15 <AndyS> ... NQ, NT: easier as two docs , ready for review next week

Andy Seaborne: ... NQ, NT: easier as two docs , ready for review next week

15:24:18 <markus> ... we currently have two docs. think it's easier to keep it that way

... we currently have two docs. think it's easier to keep it that way

15:25:57 <pfps> so we are delaying action on Concepts even further??

Peter Patel-Schneider: so we are delaying action on Concepts even further??

15:26:19 <markus> sandro: I have some issues with Trig/SPARQL alignment

Sandro Hawke: I have some issues with Trig/SPARQL alignment

15:26:32 <markus> gavinc: we already have resolutions on that

Gavin Carothers: we already have resolutions on that

15:26:48 <ericP> +1 to could and should address now

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to could and should address now

15:26:50 <markus> sandro: I understand that but I think we could resolve these problems now pretty easily

Sandro Hawke: I understand that but I think we could resolve these problems now pretty easily

15:27:09 <markus> gavinc: there are no open issues at the moment

Gavin Carothers: there are no open issues at the moment

15:27:14 <markus> TOPIC: JSON-LD

2. JSON-LD

15:27:26 <yvesr> scribe: yvesr

(Scribe set to Yves Raimond)

15:27:36 <yvesr> gkellogg: We had a productive call with pfps yesterday

Gregg Kellogg: We had a productive call with pfps yesterday

15:28:00 <yvesr> ... We ended up after an hour of discussion on not refering to the 'JSON-LD data model'

... We ended up after an hour of discussion on not refering to the 'JSON-LD data model'

15:28:05 <yvesr> ... But just on 'data model'

... But just on 'data model'

15:28:11 <yvesr> ... Which is based on the RDF data model

... Which is based on the RDF data model

15:28:27 <yvesr> ... So that we don't perpetuate the idea that there is a distinct data model for JSON-LD

... So that we don't perpetuate the idea that there is a distinct data model for JSON-LD

15:28:40 <yvesr> ... There are still issues around native datatypes

... There are still issues around native datatypes

15:28:48 <yvesr> ... and about blank nodes as predicates

... and about blank nodes as predicates

15:29:01 <yvesr> ... Some important distinctions in the handling of lists and sets in JSON-LD

... Some important distinctions in the handling of lists and sets in JSON-LD

15:29:16 <yvesr> ... my personal opinion is that JSON-LD lists are exactly the same as RDF lists

... my personal opinion is that JSON-LD lists are exactly the same as RDF lists

15:29:20 <AndyS> where is the list of changes from last LC?

Andy Seaborne: where is the list of changes from last LC?

15:29:39 <yvesr> pfps: My first comment is the schism between the two different models

Peter Patel-Schneider: My first comment is the schism between the two different worlds

15:29:40 <markus> andys: there's a changelog at the beginning of the doc

Markus Lanthaler: andys, there's a changelog at the beginning of the doc

15:30:00 <markus> s/andys: there's/andys, there's/
15:30:15 <yvesr> s/models/worlds
15:30:31 <gavinc> well... hey the JSON-LD website changed a lot...

Gavin Carothers: well... hey the JSON-LD website changed a lot...

15:30:35 <yvesr> pfps: If the formal basis of JSON-LD ends up being RDF graphs or an extended version of that I would be happy

Peter Patel-Schneider: If the formal basis of JSON-LD ends up being RDF graphs or an extended version of that I would be happy

15:30:36 <AndyS> markus - which is the editors doc currently?

Andy Seaborne: markus - which is the editors doc currently?

15:30:41 <yvesr> Guus: Can you leave with the current changes?

Guus Schreiber: Can you leave with the current changes?

15:30:46 <yvesr> pfps: I haven't seen them yet, but yes

Peter Patel-Schneider: I haven't seen them yet, but yes

15:30:58 <markus> andys, it's always on json-ld.org.. we sync to w3.org manually from the time to time

Markus Lanthaler: andys, it's always on json-ld.org.. we sync to w3.org manually from the time to time

15:31:00 <yvesr> markus: This will require a little bit of back and forth

Markus Lanthaler: This will require a little bit of back and forth

15:31:10 <yvesr> gkellogg: We think these changes won't require another LC

Gregg Kellogg: We think these changes won't require another LC

15:31:23 <yvesr> Guus: Can we leave at that at the moment, pending edits?

Guus Schreiber: Can we leave at that at the moment, pending edits?

15:31:50 <yvesr> sandro: We need to make a decision on whether we need that extension to RDF graphs

Sandro Hawke: We need to make a decision on whether we need that extension to RDF graphs

15:31:58 <yvesr> ... and whether it should leave in RDF concepts

... and whether it should leave in RDF concepts

15:32:10 <yvesr> pfps: It's also possible for the JSON-LD document to define that extension of RDF graphs

Peter Patel-Schneider: It's also possible for the JSON-LD document to define that extension of RDF graphs

15:32:15 <yvesr> .... that said it would be better in RDF concepts

.... that said it would be better in RDF concepts

15:32:48 <yvesr> ... If it ends up being duplicated in the two documents, we can still rip that out later from one of those documents

... If it ends up being duplicated in the two documents, we can still rip that out later from one of those documents

15:32:53 <yvesr> ... It is purely editorial

... It is purely editorial

15:33:17 <PatH> please dont call it a linked data graph.

Patrick Hayes: please dont call it a linked data graph.

15:33:20 <yvesr> sandro: If we extended RDF graphs as a, said, 'Linked Data graph', how would it be different from the current definition of RDF graphs

Sandro Hawke: If we extended RDF graphs as a, said, 'Linked Data graph', how would it be different from the current definition of RDF graphs

15:33:31 <gavinc> No.

Gavin Carothers: No.

15:33:38 <yvesr> pfps: There are no commonalities between the two atm - everything is being redefined from the ground up

Peter Patel-Schneider: There are no commonalities between the two atm - everything is being redefined from the ground up

15:33:48 <yvesr> ... the only common ground is IRIs

... the only common ground is IRIs

15:34:11 <yvesr> pfps: It is reasonable to say that Linked Data is what you think of when you're programming against it

Peter Patel-Schneider: It is reasonable to say that Linked Data is what you think of when you're programming against it

15:34:12 <gkellogg> Its hard to see how adding bnode predicates would be described in a Linked Data graph.

Gregg Kellogg: Its hard to see how adding bnode predicates would be described in a Linked Data graph.

15:34:17 <PatH> q+

Patrick Hayes: q+

15:34:26 <gavinc> Yeah, gkellogg, that.

Gavin Carothers: Yeah, gkellogg, that.

15:34:31 <yvesr> ... RDF provides the details

... RDF provides the details

15:34:40 <markus> markus: I'm afraid that if we call it Linked Data graph we end up having another Linked Data discussion

Markus Lanthaler: I'm afraid that if we call it Linked Data graph we end up having another Linked Data discussion [ Scribe Assist by Markus Lanthaler ]

15:34:43 <yvesr> sandro: Or 'Generalized RDF graph'?

Sandro Hawke: Or 'Generalized RDF graph'?

15:34:50 <markus> markus: I would prefer JSON-LD graph

Markus Lanthaler: I would prefer JSON-LD graph [ Scribe Assist by Markus Lanthaler ]

15:35:16 <yvesr> PatH: We shouldn't call anything 'Linked Data graph'

Patrick Hayes: We shouldn't call anything 'Linked Data graph'

15:35:39 <yvesr> Guus: Thanks for having this discussion which helped resolve this

Guus Schreiber: Thanks for having this discussion which helped resolve this

15:35:40 <PatH> JSON-RDF-graph?

Patrick Hayes: JSON-RDF-graph?

15:35:53 <markus> scribe: markus

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15:35:56 <yvesr> topic: Concepts and Semantics

3. Concepts and Semantics

15:36:32 <pfps> consensus has been reached!

Peter Patel-Schneider: consensus has been reached!

15:36:44 <pfps> there is one editorial issue remaining

Peter Patel-Schneider: there is one editorial issue remaining

15:36:49 <markus> guus: antoine can you confirm we reached consensus?

Guus Schreiber: antoine can you confirm we reached consensus?

15:37:10 <markus> ... ok, not on the call. is my observation correct?

... ok, not on the call. is my observation correct?

15:37:11 <PatH> Antoine said he woul dbe late on the call but would be here.

Patrick Hayes: Antoine said he woul dbe late on the call but would be here.

15:37:49 <markus> path: his latest email suggested a niggle about one phrase

Patrick Hayes: his latest email suggested a niggle about one phrase

15:37:59 <markus> ... maybe an editorial tweak will address that

... maybe an editorial tweak will address that

15:38:10 <markus> ... rest should be ok

... rest should be ok

15:38:40 <markus> guus: what about datasets and default graphs?

Guus Schreiber: what about datasets and default graphs?

15:38:58 <markus> path: I'm waiting to know what to put in the document

Patrick Hayes: I'm waiting to know what to put in the document

15:39:11 <markus> ... did we resolve that already

... did we resolve that already

15:39:15 <markus> sandro: we did

Sandro Hawke: we did

15:39:41 <markus> path: ok, if we are clear on that I'll update the document

Patrick Hayes: ok, if we are clear on that I'll update the document

15:40:24 <markus> guus: three messages from pfps

Guus Schreiber: three messages from pfps

15:40:35 <markus> pfps: the first one is out of scope (bnodes as predicates)

Peter Patel-Schneider: the first one is out of scope (bnodes as predicates)

15:40:58 <markus> ... the rest is explaining the current state, all editorial

... the rest is explaining the current state, all editorial

15:41:14 <markus> ... the third one is a proposal to define generalized graphs and datasets in Concepts

... the third one is a proposal to define generalized graphs and datasets in Concepts

15:41:29 <markus> ... this is the result of the JSON-LD discussion

... this is the result of the JSON-LD discussion

15:41:51 <markus> guus: I guess "extended" could be "generalized"

Guus Schreiber: I guess "extended" could be "generalized"

15:41:55 <markus> pfps: yes

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes

15:42:01 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:42:05 <pfps> that's 'extended' could be 'generalized', not extended could be generalized (further)

Peter Patel-Schneider: that's 'generalized' could be 'generalized', not generalized could be generalized (further)

15:42:40 <markus> sandro: would like to get an idea where people stand on this

Sandro Hawke: would like to get an idea where people stand on this

15:42:50 <pfps> the proposal is to define generalized RDF graphs in Concepts, for use in Semantics

Peter Patel-Schneider: the proposal is to define generalized RDF graphs in Concepts, for use in Semantics

15:43:03 <markus> path: it has come up over and over again in the last decade.. would like to solve it once for all

Patrick Hayes: it has come up over and over again in the last decade.. would like to solve it once for all

15:43:11 <pfps> The section could certainly be labelled non-normative

Peter Patel-Schneider: The section could certainly be labelled non-normative

15:43:32 <gavinc> No.

Gavin Carothers: No.

15:43:35 <gavinc> You can't use Turtle.

Gavin Carothers: You can't use Turtle.

15:43:43 <markus> sandro: we need to be careful how we phrase it (non-normative etc.) so that people who don't want it don't have to do anything

Sandro Hawke: we need to be careful how we phrase it (non-normative etc.) so that people who don't want it don't have to do anything

15:43:51 <gavinc> Correct pfps!

Gavin Carothers: Correct pfps!

15:44:23 <pfps> one could certainly build generalized turtle, generalized RDF/XML (well, probably not!), ...

Peter Patel-Schneider: one could certainly build generalized turtle, generalized RDF/XML (well, probably not!), ...

15:44:23 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

15:44:33 <PatH> q-

Patrick Hayes: q-

15:45:01 <Guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jun/0204.html

Guus Schreiber: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jun/0204.html

15:45:20 <Guus> strawpoll: what's your opinion of adding this to Concepts?

STRAWPOLL: what's your opinion of adding this to Concepts?

15:45:31 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:45:32 <markus> +1

+1

15:45:34 <pfps> s/extended/generalized/ and make non-normative
15:45:34 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:45:35 <markus> sandro: +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:45:35 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:45:37 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:45:37 <cgreer> +a

Charles Greer: +a

15:45:38 <AndyS> OK : but not "define" - discussion text, not definitional

Andy Seaborne: OK : but not "define" - discussion text, not definitional

15:45:39 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:45:39 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:45:40 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:45:41 <PatH> Sandro +1

Patrick Hayes: Sandro +1

15:45:44 <cgreer> +1

Charles Greer: +1

15:45:52 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:46:01 <gavinc> 0

Gavin Carothers: 0

15:46:05 <PatH> a <0.0005?

Patrick Hayes: a <0.0005?

15:46:19 <Souri> 0

Souripriya Das: 0

15:46:29 <PatH> Yes I think so yvesr

Patrick Hayes: Yes I think so yvesr

15:46:49 <cgreer> a == 1

Charles Greer: a == 1

15:47:10 <PatH> Does it allow literals in property position?

Patrick Hayes: Does it allow literals in property position?

15:47:21 <PatH> OK

Patrick Hayes: OK

15:47:24 <AndyS> and datatypes?

Andy Seaborne: and datatypes?

15:47:28 <gavinc> "An extended RDF triple is an RDF triple, but with subjects, predicates, and objects all allowed to be IRIs, blank nodes, or literals."

Gavin Carothers: "An extended RDF triple is an RDF triple, but with subjects, predicates, and objects all allowed to be IRIs, blank nodes, or literals."

15:47:31 <markus> guus: ok, I think that covered all the discussions we had

Guus Schreiber: ok, I think that covered all the discussions we had

15:47:40 <gavinc> Doesn't talk about datatyes

Gavin Carothers: Doesn't talk about datatyes

15:47:48 <markus> ... where do we stand with publishing Concepts and Semantics?

... where do we stand with publishing Concepts and Semantics?

15:48:16 <markus> ... we should try to vote on it next week

... we should try to vote on it next week

15:48:41 <markus> pfps: Semantics is more or less done

Peter Patel-Schneider: Semantics is more or less done

15:48:55 <markus> ... only thing left is to label some sections as non-normative

... only thing left is to label some sections as non-normative

15:49:08 <markus> ... Semantics already uses extended RDF graphs

... Semantics already uses extended RDF graphs

15:49:12 <markus> path: but it doesn't say so

Patrick Hayes: but it doesn't say so

15:49:16 <markus> pfps: yeah

Peter Patel-Schneider: yeah

15:49:30 <markus> ... and the semantics of the default graph are not mentioned yet

... and the semantics of the default graph are not mentioned yet

15:49:49 <markus> guus: have all reviews been addressed?

Guus Schreiber: have all reviews been addressed?

15:49:52 <markus> pfps: yes

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes

15:51:08 <markus> guus: markus, you have been asked by david to help as editor for Concepts

Guus Schreiber: markus, you have been asked by david to help as editor for Concepts

15:51:27 <markus> markus: right.. waiting for a reply to my questions before making a decision whether I accept

Markus Lanthaler: right.. waiting for a reply to my questions before making a decision whether I accept

15:51:42 <markus> pfps: I reviewed the comments

Peter Patel-Schneider: I reviewed the comments

15:52:33 <markus> guus: pfps, can you inform the WG when Semantics is ready?

Guus Schreiber: pfps, can you inform the WG when Semantics is ready?

15:52:37 <markus> pfps: yes

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes

15:52:46 <markus> guus: I will ask David to do the same for Concepts

Guus Schreiber: I will ask David to do the same for Concepts

15:52:56 <markus> ... we really need to get it out now

... we really need to get it out now

15:52:58 <AndyS> Move on to RDF/JSON?

Andy Seaborne: Move on to RDF/JSON?

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15:53:10 <PatH> OK peter, you work on it and email me when done, then I can take it from there.

Patrick Hayes: OK peter, you work on it and email me when done, then I can take it from there.

15:53:15 <ericP> gavinc, you should be see the diffs in your inbox

Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, you should be see the diffs in your inbox

15:53:30 <pfps> action on Concepts editors to add bit on generalized RDF graphs?

Peter Patel-Schneider: action on Concepts editors to add bit on generalized RDF graphs?

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15:53:54 <markus> action guus to ask david on the LC draft of Concepts

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15:54:09 <ericP> i didn't compile diffs for the changes moving all U+FFFF to U+FFFD ('cause U+00..FFFE and U+00..FFFF are non characters)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i didn't compile diffs for the changes moving all U+FFFF to U+FFFD ('cause U+00..FFFE and U+00..FFFF are non characters)

15:54:19 <PatH> I could help with Concepts editing also. Whatever.

Patrick Hayes: I could help with Concepts editing also. Whatever.

15:54:20 <pfps> I can make changes to Concepts if needed

Peter Patel-Schneider: I can make changes to Concepts if needed

15:54:26 <markus> sandro: I may suggest peter to step in and just make the changes

Sandro Hawke: I may suggest peter to step in and just make the changes

15:54:33 <markus> guus: ok

Guus Schreiber: ok

15:54:58 <ericP> gavinc, i take it back. i tried to send it through gmail which is resisting

Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, i take it back. i tried to send it through gmail which is resisting

15:55:06 <markus> TOPIC: RDF/JSON as Note

4. RDF/JSON as Note

15:55:11 <gavinc> heh, okay, yeah didn't see it

Gavin Carothers: heh, okay, yeah didn't see it

15:55:18 <pfps> I have no problems with RDF/JSON as a note

Peter Patel-Schneider: I have no problems with RDF/JSON as a note

15:56:04 <markus> arnaud: I already updated the draft to make the status of the draft clearer

Arnaud Le Hors: I already updated the draft to make the status of the draft clearer

15:56:37 <markus> ... I'm aware that the WG is concerned about publishing two RDF serializations in JSON

... I'm aware that the WG is concerned about publishing two RDF serializations in JSON

15:56:44 <ericP> gavinc, gzip'ing worked. should be there now

Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, gzip'ing worked. should be there now

15:56:51 <markus> ... all I'm asking to revisit this decision

... all I'm asking to revisit this decision

15:57:01 <markus> ... I'm happy to make all the necessary changes

... I'm happy to make all the necessary changes

15:57:02 <AndyS> update to datasets?

Andy Seaborne: update to datasets?

15:57:10 <markus> ... just so that we have a stable reference

... just so that we have a stable reference

15:57:34 <markus> ... I updated the draft to clearly state that the WG did chose JSON-LD and that people should use that

... I updated the draft to clearly state that the WG did chose JSON-LD and that people should use that

15:58:03 <AndyS> I can review

Andy Seaborne: I can review

15:58:06 <markus> guus: I would like to have 1-2 WG members to have a look at the current doc

Guus Schreiber: I would like to have 1-2 WG members to have a look at the current doc

15:58:11 <markus> sandro: will do

Sandro Hawke: will do

15:58:19 <markus> cgreer: me too

Charles Greer: me too

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16:00:05 <markus> guus: so there won't be anything to vote on today

Guus Schreiber: so there won't be anything to vote on today

16:00:18 <ericP> gavinc, try now?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, try now?

16:00:20 <markus> gavinc: no, I'll send a mail to the list

Gavin Carothers: no, I'll send a mail to the list

16:00:37 <ericP> (i could have sworn i did that already)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: (i could have sworn i did that already)

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