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15:58:10 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:58:10 <trackbot> Date: 12 December 2012
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16:00:35 <Guus_> zakim, +31.20 is me
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16:00:38 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P4 is me
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16:00:39 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
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16:00:58 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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16:01:14 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.12.12
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16:01:36 <Guus_> eric: can you scribe
Eric Prud'hommeaux: can you scribe [ Scribe Assist by Guus Schreiber ] ←
16:02:11 <Guus_> zakim, who is here?
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16:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, Guus_, MacTed (muted)
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16:02:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see gkellogg, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus_, davidwood1, LeeF, MacTed, ivan, Arnaud, mischat, manu, ericP, manu1, trackbot, yvesr, sandro
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16:02:51 <Guus_> three of us here, waiting for others to join
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16:05:21 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
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16:06:16 <cygri> scribe: cygri
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16:06:20 <Zakim> +PatH
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16:06:36 <PatH> zakim, mute me
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16:07:18 <cygri> chair: guus
16:07:24 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.12.12
16:07:26 <cygri> topic: Admin
16:07:48 <cygri> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05 ←
16:08:08 <zwu2> got a phone problem...
Zhe Wu: got a phone problem... ←
16:08:18 <cygri> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05
RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05 ←
16:08:32 <cygri> Review of action items
Review of action items ←
16:08:33 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview ←
16:08:45 <cygri> guus: I think sandro can claim success on one action
Guus Schreiber: I think sandro can claim success on one action ←
16:09:05 <cygri> ACTION-217?
16:09:05 <trackbot> ACTION-217 -- Sandro Hawke to produce an LALR grammar that supports "<a> <b> <c> ; ;" and "<a> <b> <c> ; ; ." -- due 2012-12-12 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-217 -- Sandro Hawke to produce an LALR grammar that supports "<a> <b> <c> ; ;" and "<a> <b> <c> ; ; ." -- due 2012-12-12 -- OPEN ←
16:09:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/217
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16:10:08 <cygri> topic: Turtle
16:10:20 <cygri> subtopic: I18N comments
16:10:32 <cygri> guus: I18n came with a long list of responses just before the deadline we set
Guus Schreiber: I18n came with a long list of responses just before the deadline we set ←
16:11:02 <cygri> ... I invited someone from i18n WG to join us
... I invited someone from i18n WG to join us ←
16:11:13 <cygri> ericP: their meeting is in parallel
Eric Prud'hommeaux: their meeting is in parallel ←
16:11:39 <cygri> mail from addison: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0030.html
mail from addison: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0030.html ←
16:11:57 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20121210234622.GE25523@w3.org -> ericP'
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20121210234622.GE25523@w3.org -> ericP' ←
16:12:20 <Zakim> + +1.408.992.aabb
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16:12:27 <cygri> ericP: issue-178 is a nit about how BCP47 is referenced
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ISSUE-178 is a nit about how BCP47 is referenced ←
16:12:42 <cygri> ... I pointed out where the reference is, and he was content with that
... I pointed out where the reference is, and he was content with that ←
16:13:07 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/mid/131F80DEA635F044946897AFDA9AC34773A90CC92C@EX-SEA31-D.ant.amazon.com
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/mid/131F80DEA635F044946897AFDA9AC34773A90CC92C@EX-SEA31-D.ant.amazon.com ←
16:13:17 <cygri> guus: is his response on the mailing list?
Guus Schreiber: is his response on the mailing list? ←
16:13:22 <MacTed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2012OctDec/0133.html
Ted Thibodeau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2012OctDec/0133.html ←
16:13:33 <cygri> ericP: it's on the www-international list
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's on the www-international list ←
16:14:41 <cygri> ... issue-180, i fixed this everywhere except in the grammar, where we follow XML grammar convention. he was content with that.
... ISSUE-180, i fixed this everywhere except in the grammar, where we follow XML grammar convention. he was content with that. ←
16:15:32 <cygri> ... issue-183, we need good examples for integer, decimal and double
... ISSUE-183, we need good examples for integer, decimal and double ←
16:15:38 <cygri> ... for the shortcut notations
... for the shortcut notations ←
16:15:51 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
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16:16:01 <ericP> > @prefix : <http://example.org/elements> .
Eric Prud'hommeaux: > @prefix : <http://example.org/elements> . ←
16:16:05 <ericP> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium>
Eric Prud'hommeaux: > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium> ←
16:16:09 <cygri> ... the complaint was that i was using quantities without explicit units
... the complaint was that i was using quantities without explicit units ←
16:16:09 <ericP> > :atomicNumber 2 ; # xsd:integer
Eric Prud'hommeaux: > :atomicNumber 2 ; # xsd:integer ←
16:16:13 <ericP> > :atomicMass 4.002602 ; # xsd:decimal
Eric Prud'hommeaux: > :atomicMass 4.002602 ; # xsd:decimal ←
16:16:17 <ericP> > :specificGravity 1.663E-4 . # xsd:double
Eric Prud'hommeaux: > :specificGravity 1.663E-4 . # xsd:double ←
16:16:45 <cygri> ... i came up with a chemistry example. he liked it. it might be a bit harder to approach. i can commit if the WG is ok with it
... i came up with a chemistry example. he liked it. it might be a bit harder to approach. i can commit if the WG is ok with it ←
16:16:52 <PatH> I like it, especially if it said in a squeaky voice.
Patrick Hayes: I like it, especially if it said in a squeaky voice. ←
16:17:13 <cygri> guus: any objections to using it?
Guus Schreiber: any objections to using it? ←
16:17:14 <Zakim> + +1.603.438.aadd
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16:17:22 <cygri> ... none heard
... none heard ←
16:17:33 <zwu2> zakim, +1.603.438.aadd is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.438.aadd is me ←
16:17:33 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
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16:17:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:17:54 <cygri> ericP: (does the hg push dance in the background)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: (does the hg push dance in the background) ←
16:17:57 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
16:17:57 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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16:18:36 <cygri> ... issue-189 was effectively the same as issue-178
... ISSUE-189 was effectively the same as ISSUE-178 ←
16:19:12 <cygri> ... issue-190 requires no action on our part, he agreed that staying aligned with XML is a reasonable choice
... ISSUE-190 requires no action on our part, he agreed that staying aligned with XML is a reasonable choice ←
16:19:16 <cygri> ... that's all
... that's all ←
16:19:33 <cygri> guus: very good, that's not as bad as i thought
Guus Schreiber: very good, that's not as bad as i thought ←
16:19:35 <PatH> Well done Eric.
Patrick Hayes: Well done Eric. ←
16:20:02 <cygri> ... it would be good if this was on record on our comments list
... it would be good if this was on record on our comments list ←
16:20:09 <cygri> ericP: i'll try to bounce it there
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i'll try to bounce it there ←
16:20:43 <cygri> subtopic: Left-recursive LALR(1) grammar for turtle
16:21:05 <cygri> ericP: it would be very nice to publish with an LALR or LL1 grammar
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it would be very nice to publish with an LALR or LL1 grammar ←
16:21:17 <cygri> ... andy said that sandro's grammar has a shift-reduce conflict
... andy said that sandro's grammar has a shift-reduce conflict ←
16:21:34 <AndyS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_recursion
Andy Seaborne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_recursion ←
16:21:36 <cygri> ... including those is unfortunate as it's bad for error reporting
... including those is unfortunate as it's bad for error reporting ←
16:21:45 <cygri> ... but we need to make progress
... but we need to make progress ←
16:22:12 <cygri> ... propose adding a note that shows both productions
... propose adding a note that shows both productions ←
16:22:13 <AndyS> The S/R error is silent in many systems (default is shift - see Bison reference)
Andy Seaborne: The S/R error is silent in many systems (default is shift - see Bison reference) ←
16:22:38 <cygri> ... mark it as an at-risk feature in the next publication
... mark it as an at-risk feature in the next publication ←
16:22:40 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:22:43 <Guus_> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:22:59 <cygri> ivan: you think we can't go to CR?
Ivan Herman: you think we can't go to CR? ←
16:23:07 <ericP> <><><>;;;.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: <><><>;;;. ←
16:23:18 <cygri> ericP: if we changed the language -- changed what's an acceptable turtle document...
Eric Prud'hommeaux: if we changed the language -- changed what's an acceptable turtle document... ←
16:23:20 <Arnaud> didn't we go over this last week already??
Arnaud Le Hors: didn't we go over this last week already?? ←
16:23:32 <cygri> ivan: if you mark the specific feature at-risk, then i don't see a problem
Ivan Herman: if you mark the specific feature at-risk, then i don't see a problem ←
16:23:50 <cygri> guus: we discussed this extensively last week
Guus Schreiber: we discussed this extensively last week ←
16:24:17 <AndyS> q+ to ask why we replace one rule with one which creates probs for other people.
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask why we replace one rule with one which creates probs for other people. ←
16:24:19 <cygri> ericP: i just would like to make sure that the at-risk text mentions that we plan to find a grammar that's LALR1 and LL1 friendly
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i just would like to make sure that the at-risk text mentions that we plan to find a grammar that's LALR1 and LL1 friendly ←
16:24:30 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
16:24:52 <PatH> Aew we going to do that or are we inviting the world to ty to write one?
Patrick Hayes: Aew we going to do that or are we inviting the world to ty to write one? ←
16:25:37 <PatH> q?
Patrick Hayes: q? ←
16:26:27 <ericP> PROPOSED: provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1)
PROPOSED: provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1) ←
16:26:49 <cygri> ericP: this should be possible, as SPARQL grammar doesn't have conflicts
Eric Prud'hommeaux: this should be possible, as SPARQL grammar doesn't have conflicts ←
16:27:53 <cygri> AndyS: i thought the agreement was to keep the grammar from sparql, and add a note saying how it can be done with a different grammar
Andy Seaborne: i thought the agreement was to keep the grammar from sparql, and add a note saying how it can be done with a different grammar ←
16:28:14 <cygri> ericP: I believe that's a change from the previous publication
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I believe that's a change from the previous publication ←
16:28:51 <cygri> AndyS: we shouldn't be making life more difficult for some people just to make it easier for some others.
Andy Seaborne: we shouldn't be making life more difficult for some people just to make it easier for some others. ←
16:29:11 <cygri> ericP: what's wrong with finding a grammar that works for both?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's wrong with finding a grammar that works for both? ←
16:29:43 <cygri> [scribe can't keep up]
[scribe can't keep up] ←
16:30:05 <Guus_> let's summarize later, richard
Guus Schreiber: let's summarize later, richard ←
16:30:29 <AndyS> SPARQL -- [77] PropertyListNotEmpty ::= Verb ObjectList ( ';' ( Verb ObjectList )? )*
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL -- [77] PropertyListNotEmpty ::= Verb ObjectList ( ';' ( Verb ObjectList )? )* ←
16:30:42 <cygri> ericP: i think we could make a grammar that is LL1 and LALR1 friendly. but that would take too much time.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i think we could make a grammar that is LL1 and LALR1 friendly. but that would take too much time. ←
16:31:18 <cygri> AndyS: we would then have different grammars for turtle and sparql
Andy Seaborne: we would then have different grammars for turtle and sparql ←
16:32:04 <cygri> ericP: what's the concern with finding a LALR1 friendly expression?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's the concern with finding a LALR1 friendly expression? ←
16:34:35 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0025.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0025.html ←
16:34:56 <cygri> ericP: the SPARQL grammar has no shift-reduce conflict, but the same grammar rules produce a shift-reduce conflict in turtle because the context is different
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the SPARQL grammar has no shift-reduce conflict, but the same grammar rules produce a shift-reduce conflict in turtle because the context is different ←
16:36:33 <cygri> [disagreement whether the current grammar produces a S/R conflict or not]
[disagreement whether the current grammar produces a S/R conflict or not] ←
16:37:35 <PatH> Hey, the Pope just tweeted.
Patrick Hayes: Hey, the Pope just tweeted. ←
16:38:02 <LeeF> :-)
Lee Feigenbaum: :-) ←
16:38:10 <AndyS> I do not support the text but will not object.
Andy Seaborne: I do not support the text but will not object. ←
16:38:19 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:38:25 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:38:37 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:38:41 <zwu2> +0
16:38:42 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:38:44 <cygri> ±0
±0 ←
16:38:47 <PatH> +0
Patrick Hayes: +0 ←
16:38:51 <MacTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
16:38:57 <Souri> 0
Souripriya Das: 0 ←
16:39:12 <yvesr> 0
Yves Raimond: 0 ←
16:39:46 <cygri> ivan: having an at-risk on a minor detail like that is the way to go, shouldn't hold up CR
Ivan Herman: having an at-risk on a minor detail like that is the way to go, shouldn't hold up CR ←
16:39:56 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
16:40:07 <cygri> ericP: but the question is whether it should also say that we may still tweak the grammar
Eric Prud'hommeaux: but the question is whether it should also say that we may still tweak the grammar ←
16:40:11 <AndyS> Alternative proposal -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0025.html
Andy Seaborne: Alternative proposal -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0025.html ←
16:40:35 <cygri> RESOLUTION: provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1)
RESOLVED: provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1) ←
16:40:53 <cygri> AndyS: alternative proposal is for the record
Andy Seaborne: alternative proposal is for the record ←
16:41:28 <cygri> guus: ivan, would it be okay to make CR proposal given that it was not on the agenda?
Guus Schreiber: ivan, would it be okay to make CR proposal given that it was not on the agenda? ←
16:41:31 <cygri> ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
16:41:56 <ericP> -> dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html editor's draft of Turtle Spec
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html editor's draft of Turtle Spec ←
16:42:07 <ericP> -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html editor's draft of Turtle Spec
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html editor's draft of Turtle Spec ←
16:42:16 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:43:31 <ericP> PROPOSAL: that the Rdf WG ask for a transition of the Turtle Spec from LC to CR
PROPOSED: that the Rdf WG ask for a transition of the Turtle Spec from LC to CR ←
16:44:13 <cygri> subtopic: CR transition
16:45:25 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/402f2133f823/rdf-turtle/index.html
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/402f2133f823/rdf-turtle/index.html ←
16:45:25 <ericP> PROPOSAL: that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec
PROPOSED: that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec ←
16:45:53 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:45:54 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:45:58 <Guus_> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:45:58 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:45:59 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:45:59 <cygri> +1
+1 ←
16:46:01 <zwu2> 1
16:46:01 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:46:09 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:46:15 <pfps> +1
16:46:38 <ericP> RESOLVED: that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec
RESOLVED: that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec ←
16:46:51 <cygri> guus: would like to thank the editors
Guus Schreiber: would like to thank the editors ←
16:47:14 <ericP> ACTION: guus to write Turtle CR transtion request
ACTION: guus to write Turtle CR transtion request ←
16:47:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-218 - Write Turtle CR transtion request [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-12-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-218 - Write Turtle CR transtion request [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-12-19]. ←
16:47:17 <cygri> ... i will write the transition request, may need some input from the eds
... i will write the transition request, may need some input from the eds ←
16:47:34 <cygri> ivan: target publication date would be 1st or 2nd week of january
Ivan Herman: target publication date would be 1st or 2nd week of january ←
16:48:07 <cygri> ... there has to be one week between the request for transition and the transition itself
... there has to be one week between the request for transition and the transition itself ←
16:48:47 <cygri> ... the final version has to be frozen and goes to the transition call
... the final version has to be frozen and goes to the transition call ←
16:48:58 <cygri> ... when can you cast it in concrete?
... when can you cast it in concrete? ←
16:49:07 <cygri> ericP: tomorrow, today, when is it needed?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: tomorrow, today, when is it needed? ←
16:49:28 <cygri> guus: i would like to have a frozen version as quick as we can
Guus Schreiber: i would like to have a frozen version as quick as we can ←
16:50:01 <cygri> ivan: we need five business day between transition request and transition call
Ivan Herman: we need five business day between transition request and transition call ←
16:50:15 <cygri> guus: can we have the call end of next week?
Guus Schreiber: can we have the call end of next week? ←
16:50:37 <cygri> ivan: we could try next week friday if the request goes out tomorrow
Ivan Herman: we could try next week friday if the request goes out tomorrow ←
16:51:11 <cygri> ... assuming ralph is around
... assuming ralph is around ←
16:51:45 <cygri> guus: so if the request goes out next week, we can have the call first business week of january
Guus Schreiber: so if the request goes out next week, we can have the call first business week of january ←
16:52:54 <cygri> ... one more topic for the CR transition is testing
... one more topic for the CR transition is testing ←
16:53:06 <cygri> ... i'll put it on the agenda next week
... i'll put it on the agenda next week ←
16:53:28 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)
16:53:33 <ericP> topic: JSON-LD
16:54:13 <Guus_> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
16:54:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, Guus_, MacTed (muted), Arnaud (muted), LeeF, ivan, EricP, cygri, PatH (muted), +1.408.992.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, zwu2, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, Guus_, MacTed (muted), Arnaud (muted), LeeF, ivan, EricP, cygri, PatH (muted), +1.408.992.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, zwu2, AndyS ←
16:54:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see swh, Souri, AndyS, pfps, cygri, PatH, zwu2, gkellogg, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus_, davidwood1, LeeF, MacTed, ivan, Arnaud, mischat, manu, ericP, manu1, trackbot, yvesr,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see swh, Souri, AndyS, pfps, cygri, PatH, zwu2, gkellogg, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus_, davidwood1, LeeF, MacTed, ivan, Arnaud, mischat, manu, ericP, manu1, trackbot, yvesr, ←
16:54:15 <Zakim> ... sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro ←
16:55:15 <ericP> guus: i tried to push some work from your plate to the task force. did that work?
Guus Schreiber: i tried to push some work from your plate to the task force. did that work? ←
16:55:22 <ericP> cygri: not sure if there's been progress?
Richard Cyganiak: not sure if there's been progress? ←
16:55:30 <ericP> topic: RDF Concepts
16:55:51 <ericP> guus: last week, we agreed to publish, presuming agreement of the editors
Guus Schreiber: last week, we agreed to publish, presuming agreement of the editors ←
16:56:01 <ericP> ... pfps published a review just afterwards
... pfps published a review just afterwards ←
16:56:21 <ericP> cygri: pfps and antoine gave many good comments
Richard Cyganiak: pfps and antoine gave many good comments ←
16:56:33 <ericP> ... they agreed to publish if we could address them
... they agreed to publish if we could address them ←
16:56:40 <ericP> ... that was the outcome of two weeks ago
... that was the outcome of two weeks ago ←
16:56:50 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
16:57:10 <ericP> ... i haven't updated the doc to reflect these comments, but they all seem feasible
... i haven't updated the doc to reflect these comments, but they all seem feasible ←
16:57:21 <ericP> ... at the worst, there will be some new issue text
... at the worst, there will be some new issue text ←
16:59:01 <ericP> ivan: if denis has the text in hand today, he can publish tomorrow
Ivan Herman: if denis has the text in hand today, he can publish tomorrow ←
16:59:31 <ericP> cygri: today boston time means next 4 hours. i *think* i can pull this off
Richard Cyganiak: today boston time means next 4 hours. i *think* i can pull this off ←
17:00:21 <ericP> ... i'd like to get this off my plate
... i'd like to get this off my plate ←
17:00:33 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
17:00:43 <PatH> bye all.
Patrick Hayes: bye all. ←
17:00:46 <zwu2> bye
17:00:48 <Zakim> - +1.408.992.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.408.992.aabb ←
17:00:50 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
17:00:50 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aacc ←
17:00:52 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
17:00:52 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
17:00:56 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
17:00:56 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
17:00:56 <Zakim> -ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ivan ←
17:00:59 <cygri> ivan, just to confirm
Richard Cyganiak: ivan, just to confirm ←
17:01:06 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
17:01:10 <ivan> yes?
Ivan Herman: yes? ←
17:01:11 <cygri> what exactly do i send to whom?
Richard Cyganiak: what exactly do i send to whom? ←
17:01:12 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
17:01:45 <ivan> Denis Ah-Kang <denis@w3.org>, copy to webreq@w3.org
Ivan Herman: Denis Ah-Kang <denis@w3.org>, copy to webreq@w3.org ←
17:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_ ←
17:01:57 <Zakim> Guus_ is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus_ is being disconnected ←
17:01:58 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
17:01:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +31.20.598.aaaa, Guus_, yvesr, MacTed, Arnaud, LeeF, ivan, EricP, cygri, PatH, +1.408.992.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, zwu2, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +31.20.598.aaaa, Guus_, yvesr, MacTed, Arnaud, LeeF, ivan, EricP, cygri, PatH, +1.408.992.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, zwu2, AndyS ←
17:02:10 <cygri> excellent, ivan. what do i need to provide along with the link?
Richard Cyganiak: excellent, ivan. what do i need to provide along with the link? ←
17:02:24 <cygri> just the url or anything else?
Richard Cyganiak: just the url or anything else? ←
17:02:29 <ivan> richard, I will draft and send an official publication request
Ivan Herman: richard, I will draft and send an official publication request ←
17:02:33 <ivan> cc to you
Ivan Herman: cc to you ←
17:02:41 <cygri> ok great
Richard Cyganiak: ok great ←
17:02:45 <ivan> and then you will have to send him the exact URI where the text is
Ivan Herman: and then you will have to send him the exact URI where the text is ←
17:02:53 <ivan> whenever it is done
Ivan Herman: whenever it is done ←
17:03:08 <cygri> awesome. i'll go do my editing then
Richard Cyganiak: awesome. i'll go do my editing then ←
17:03:47 <cygri> thanks a lot ivan!
Richard Cyganiak: thanks a lot ivan! ←
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