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14:41:27 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:41:27 <trackbot> Date: 11 July 2012
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14:58:48 <yvesr> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:58:53 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P3 is me
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15:01:57 <manu> zakim, I am ??P13
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15:02:00 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P12
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15:02:33 <gavinc> 8am ... mmm... coffee
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15:02:53 <cgreer> zakim, who is here
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15:02:53 <Zakim> cgreer, you need to end that query with '?'
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15:02:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, gavinc, cgreer, gkellogg, davidwood, manu
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15:03:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH__, cgreer, ScottB, mischat, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, SteveH, MacTed, LeeF, AndyS, mlnt, yvesr, gkellogg, davidwood, manu1, NickH, manu, sandro, trackbot, ericP
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15:03:18 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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15:03:24 <gkellogg> scribenick: gkellogg
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15:03:32 <davidwood> chair: David Wood
15:03:41 <davidwood> scribenick: gkellogg
15:03:44 <gkellogg> scribe: Gregg Kellogg
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15:03:57 <davidwood> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 27 Jun telecon:
David Wood: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 27 Jun telecon: ←
15:03:57 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-06-27
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-06-27 ←
15:04:10 <gkellogg> david: objections to accepting minutes?
David Wood: objections to accepting minutes? ←
15:04:18 <ScottB> Zakim, Tony is temporarily me
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15:04:22 <Zakim> +??P21
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15:04:25 <gkellogg> RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 27 Jun telecon
RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 27 Jun telecon ←
15:04:29 <davidwood> Topic: Action Items
15:04:35 <Zakim> +sandro
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15:04:39 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview ←
15:04:39 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open ←
15:04:54 <gkellogg> david: no pending action items, but there are some open ones.
David Wood: no pending action items, but there are some open ones. ←
15:05:26 <gkellogg> … action 176 for guss, but I see that it's done
… ACTION-176 for guus, but I see that it's done ←
15:05:34 <manu> s/guss/guus/
15:05:36 <Zakim> +AlexHall
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15:05:49 <davidwood> closed action 176
David Wood: closed ACTION-176 ←
15:06:06 <gkellogg> … next telecon on July 25th
… next telecon on July 25th ←
15:06:15 <gkellogg> … I'll be on holiday, and Guus will be chairing.
… I'll be on holiday, and Guus will be chairing. ←
15:06:31 <davidwood> Topic: Next FTF
15:06:31 <gkellogg> … Peter is designated scribe, and piere-antoine alternate.
… Peter is designated scribe, and piere-antoine alternate. ←
15:06:38 <zwu2> zakim, code?
15:06:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
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15:06:41 <davidwood> Poll results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/46168/FTF-Fall2012/results
David Wood: Poll results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/46168/FTF-Fall2012/results ←
15:06:49 <davidwood> Mon-Tue 29-30 Oct, Lyon, France, co-located with TPAC.
David Wood: Mon-Tue 29-30 Oct, Lyon, France, co-located with TPAC. ←
15:07:28 <gavinc> There is no remote ability, is that correct?
Gavin Carothers: There is no remote ability, is that correct? ←
15:07:30 <gkellogg> david: will be able to meet with the Linked-Data Platform group, but no one else.
David Wood: will be able to meet with the Linked-Data Platform group, but no one else. ←
15:07:59 <gkellogg> … we had two WGs to meet with, one LDP and Prov, but Prov isn't meeting at TPAC
… we had two WGs to meet with, one LDP and Prov, but Prov isn't meeting at TPAC ←
15:08:20 <gkellogg> sandro: prov meet collocated with ISWC
Sandro Hawke: prov meet collocated with ISWC ←
15:08:23 <Zakim> +zwu2
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15:08:34 <SteveH> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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15:08:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, gavinc, cgreer, gkellogg, davidwood, manu, MacTed (muted), mlnt, ScottB, ??P21, sandro, AlexHall, zwu2
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15:08:44 <davidwood> Topic: Turtle Last Call
15:08:50 <Zakim> +??P27
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15:08:55 <AndyS> zakim, ??P27 is me
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15:08:55 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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15:09:06 <AndyS> Apologies for being late
Andy Seaborne: Apologies for being late ←
15:09:09 <davidwood> What's left to do before publication request?
David Wood: What's left to do before publication request? ←
15:09:09 <davidwood> CfC- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jul/0005.html
David Wood: CfC- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jul/0005.html ←
15:09:09 <davidwood> Editor's draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html
David Wood: Editor's draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html ←
15:09:30 <davidwood> However, the pub request has now been made
David Wood: However, the pub request has now been made ←
15:09:36 <gkellogg> david: there were a couple of things remaining for Turtle LC, but pub-request has been made.
David Wood: there were a couple of things remaining for Turtle LC, but pub-request has been made. ←
15:09:44 <gkellogg> gavin: ED is not what was published.
Gavin Carothers: ED is not what was published. ←
15:09:47 <Zakim> +LeeF
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15:10:03 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/ ←
15:10:18 <gkellogg> david: Eric put in a request to publish Turtle, which they did, but we didn't actually have formal approval from Thomas.
David Wood: Eric put in a request to publish Turtle, which they did, but we didn't actually have formal approval from Thomas. ←
15:10:32 <gkellogg> sandro: don't think we need approval.
Sandro Hawke: don't think we need approval. ←
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15:11:15 <AZ> Zakim, ??P29 is me
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15:11:20 <davidwood> Chairs message regarding the publication: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jul/0014.html
David Wood: Chairs message regarding the publication: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jul/0014.html ←
15:12:30 <gkellogg> david: I sent a message to Thomas and chairs that we're publishing.
David Wood: I sent a message to Thomas and chairs that we're publishing. ←
15:12:41 <gkellogg> sandro: need to tell chairs to get cross-domain review.
Sandro Hawke: need to tell chairs to get cross-domain review. ←
15:13:19 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-turtle-20120710/
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-turtle-20120710/ ←
15:13:30 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/ ←
15:13:40 <gkellogg> gavin: that's the URL which was published, pointed to by the TR link
Gavin Carothers: that's the URL which was published, pointed to by the TR link ←
15:14:01 <gkellogg> david: will send message to chairs asking for broader review.
David Wood: will send message to chairs asking for broader review. ←
15:14:27 <sandro> not seeing any mention of Domain Lead in http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transitions.xsl&docstatus=lc-wd-tr
Sandro Hawke: not seeing any mention of Domain Lead in http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transitions.xsl&docstatus=lc-wd-tr ←
15:15:02 <sandro> (well, not in the critical path)
Sandro Hawke: (well, not in the critical path) ←
15:15:09 <gkellogg> ACTION: david to create blog post on swig blog for Turtle LC
ACTION: david to create blog post on swig blog for Turtle LC ←
15:15:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Create blog post on swig blog for Turtle LC [on David Wood - due 2012-07-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-177 - Create blog post on swig blog for Turtle LC [on David Wood - due 2012-07-18]. ←
15:15:29 <gkellogg> david: our charter requires feedback from certain other WGs
David Wood: our charter requires feedback from certain other WGs ←
15:15:44 <gkellogg> … Coordination, Internationalization, SPARQL, RDFa, XML Query
… Coordination, Internationalization, SPARQL, RDFa, XML Query ←
15:15:58 <gkellogg> … Web Application WG
… Web Application WG ←
15:16:33 <gavinc> DOM, for use WAWG is about DOM
Gavin Carothers: DOM, for us WAWG is about DOM ←
15:16:39 <gavinc> s/use/us
15:16:43 <davidwood> Topic: JSON-LD
15:16:56 <gkellogg> david: Manu, can you give status on IPR?
David Wood: Manu, can you give status on IPR? ←
15:16:58 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jul/0016.html
Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jul/0016.html ←
15:17:12 <gkellogg> manu: we have all IPR commitments we need for JSON-LD Syntax and API Docs.
Manu Sporny: we have all IPR commitments we need for JSON-LD Syntax and API Docs. ←
15:17:34 <gkellogg> … I was waiting on an additional commitment from Josh Mandel, due to bug tracker activity.
… I was waiting on an additional commitment from Josh Mandel, due to bug tracker activity. ←
15:17:47 <gkellogg> … However, there is no content in docs related to his issue.
… However, there is no content in docs related to his issue. ←
15:18:04 <gkellogg> … We should try to get a commitment if we put in a new "objectify" API.
… We should try to get a commitment if we put in a new "objectify" API. ←
15:18:25 <gkellogg> … I believe we have all the commitments we need from contributors who added content.
… I believe we have all the commitments we need from contributors who added content. ←
15:18:42 <gkellogg> manu: we're good to go as far as IPR commitments are concerned.
Manu Sporny: we're good to go as far as IPR commitments are concerned. ←
15:19:17 <gkellogg> … The discussion on the JSON-LD telco was that we're good to go.
… The discussion on the JSON-LD telco was that we're good to go. ←
15:19:37 <gkellogg> … Docs are prepped to release as FPWD. Web Req is waiting for us to make a resolution.
… Docs are prepped to release as FPWD. Web Req is waiting for us to make a resolution. ←
15:20:05 <gavinc> Zakim who is here?
Gavin Carothers: Zakim who is here? ←
15:20:06 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:20:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, gavinc, cgreer, gkellogg, davidwood, manu, MacTed (muted), mlnt, ScottB, ??P21, sandro, AlexHall, zwu2, AndyS, LeeF, AZ
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15:20:26 <gkellogg> david: we've been saying for weeks that we're planning on publishing.
David Wood: we've been saying for weeks that we're planning on publishing. ←
15:20:41 <gkellogg> sandro: think's we're okay to announce.
Sandro Hawke: think's we're okay to announce. ←
15:20:54 <gkellogg> manu: pub date is for tomorrow, as we've said for over a week.
Manu Sporny: pub date is for tomorrow, as we've said for over a week. ←
15:21:50 <manu> PROPOSAL: The RDF Working Group believes that there are no IPR commitment issues for the JSON-LD Syntax and the JSON-LD API FPWDs. Publication should commence tomorrow - July 12th, 2012.
PROPOSED: The RDF Working Group believes that there are no IPR commitment issues for the JSON-LD Syntax and the JSON-LD API FPWDs. Publication should commence tomorrow - July 12th, 2012. ←
15:21:59 <gavinc> Also, the documents version control can be found at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/json-ld/summary not in the rdf hg repository, in case anyone can't find them
Gavin Carothers: Also, the documents version control can be found at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/json-ld/summary not in the rdf hg repository, in case anyone can't find them ←
15:22:37 <manu> PROPOSAL: The RDF Working Group resolves to publish the JSON-LD Syntax and the JSON-LD API specifications as FPWDs on July 12th, 2012.
PROPOSED: The RDF Working Group resolves to publish the JSON-LD Syntax and the JSON-LD API specifications as FPWDs on July 12th, 2012. ←
15:22:38 <AndyS> It's in the minutes of June/27 meeting that the pub date is July 12
Andy Seaborne: It's in the minutes of June/27 meeting that the pub date is July 12 ←
15:23:00 <gkellogg> +1
+1 ←
15:23:02 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
15:23:04 <cgreer> +1
Charles Greer: +1 ←
15:23:05 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:23:06 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:23:06 <mlnt> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:23:07 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:23:08 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:23:11 <AlexHall> +1
15:23:13 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:23:13 <AndyS> and I wasn't at the meeting!
Andy Seaborne: and I wasn't at the meeting! ←
15:23:17 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:23:19 <zwu2> +1
15:23:27 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:23:37 <gkellogg> RESOLVED: The RDF Working Group resolves to publish the JSON-LD Syntax and the JSON-LD API specifications as FPWDs on July 12th, 2012.
RESOLVED: The RDF Working Group resolves to publish the JSON-LD Syntax and the JSON-LD API specifications as FPWDs on July 12th, 2012. ←
15:24:01 <gkellogg> david: because these are FPWDs we will need to request from domain activity lead.
David Wood: because these are FPWDs we will need to request from domain activity lead. ←
15:24:07 <AndyS> shortname?
Andy Seaborne: shortname? ←
15:24:08 <gkellogg> manu: we already did that.
Manu Sporny: we already did that. ←
15:24:28 <gkellogg> manu: we have short names picked out. All we need to do is hit publish button.
Manu Sporny: we have short names picked out. All we need to do is hit publish button. ←
15:25:33 <gkellogg> manu: The JSON-LD CG has been operating pretty smoothly on a separate telco. I presume we'll keep that telco going to save this group.
Manu Sporny: The JSON-LD CG has been operating pretty smoothly on a separate telco. I presume we'll keep that telco going to save this group. ←
15:25:52 <gkellogg> … I was thinking we'd keep that telco around and any work group members are welcome to join.
… I was thinking we'd keep that telco around and any work group members are welcome to join. ←
15:26:14 <gkellogg> … The alternative is to try to merge the telecoms, but I'm afraid that the time commitment might be pretty steep.
… The alternative is to try to merge the telecoms, but I'm afraid that the time commitment might be pretty steep. ←
15:26:33 <gkellogg> … This leads to several 2-hour telecons to deal with API issues.
… This leads to several 2-hour telecons to deal with API issues. ←
15:26:54 <gkellogg> david: I've been involved in other groups with task-forces that met seprately.
David Wood: I've been involved in other groups with task-forces that met seprately. ←
15:27:17 <gkellogg> … Any one in this group should be welcome to join. You've effectively changing from a CG to a task force of this group.
… Any one in this group should be welcome to join. You've effectively changing from a CG to a task force of this group. ←
15:28:07 <AndyS> Suggestion ... JSON-LD changes (not API) go to the RDF-WG list because it's a wider group in CG. "Commit then review" (master doc is in RDF hg?)
Andy Seaborne: Suggestion ... JSON-LD changes (not API) go to the RDF-WG list because it's a wider group in CG. "Commit then review" (master doc is in RDF hg?) ←
15:28:19 <gkellogg> manu: I think we need to be careful about how we get input in. We don't want to slow the group down by adding process, but if someone from the public joins this could create IPR issues.
Manu Sporny: I think we need to be careful about how we get input in. We don't want to slow the group down by adding process, but if someone from the public joins this could create IPR issues. ←
15:28:37 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:28:53 <gkellogg> … We could say that anyone that joins the call is automatically releasing any IPR, which may be enough to keep people away that have patent issues.
… We could say that anyone that joins the call is automatically releasing any IPR, which may be enough to keep people away that have patent issues. ←
15:29:21 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:29:25 <gkellogg> andy: if you're going to get people to sign in the call to grant IPR rights, you need and explicit step in an email, or something.
Andy Seaborne: if you're going to get people to sign in the call to grant IPR rights, you need and explicit step in an email, or something. ←
15:29:42 <gkellogg> … E.G, signing into the Apache group says you're releasing rights.
… E.G, signing into the Apache group says you're releasing rights. ←
15:29:49 <gavinc> +1 to explicit log of IPR commitment
Gavin Carothers: +1 to explicit log of IPR commitment ←
15:30:03 <gkellogg> … You need something outside of the call, just on the call might not be strong enough. They have to take an explicit step.
… You need something outside of the call, just on the call might not be strong enough. They have to take an explicit step. ←
15:30:17 <gkellogg> david: I agree with Andy, we need something equivalent.
David Wood: I agree with Andy, we need something equivalent. ←
15:30:19 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:31:01 <gkellogg> manu: we've been running the calls on a separate VOIP server, which sends a message that gives people the opportunity to leave first.
Manu Sporny: we've been running the calls on a separate VOIP server, which sends a message that gives people the opportunity to leave first. ←
15:31:09 <gkellogg> andy: that's probably enough.
Andy Seaborne: that's probably enough. ←
15:31:47 <gkellogg> manu: we could just change the message to say that you're automatically releasing everything discussed on the call.
Manu Sporny: we could just change the message to say that you're automatically releasing everything discussed on the call. ←
15:31:55 <gkellogg> sandro: I don't know how you'd document that.
Sandro Hawke: I don't know how you'd document that. ←
15:32:15 <gkellogg> manu: that means that if someone joins the call that hasn't agreed to the IPR release, they must leave the call.
Manu Sporny: that means that if someone joins the call that hasn't agreed to the IPR release, they must leave the call. ←
15:32:29 <gkellogg> sandro: need to do before their on the call, not after.
Andy Seaborne: need to do before their on the call, not after. ←
15:32:36 <gkellogg> s/sandro/andy/
15:33:06 <gkellogg> manu: we've been trying to not prevent people from joining the call.
Manu Sporny: we've been trying to not prevent people from joining the call. ←
15:33:21 <gkellogg> … last week we had denny from WikiData join the call, and it was really helpful.
… last week we had denny from WikiData join the call, and it was really helpful. ←
15:33:34 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:33:34 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:33:36 <gkellogg> … we don't want to prevent those types of interactions.
… we don't want to prevent those types of interactions. ←
15:33:50 <PatHayes> zakim, mute me
Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me ←
15:33:50 <Zakim> sorry, PatHayes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PatHayes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
15:33:57 <gkellogg> ted: the big difference is that voice recording means there's no such thing as don't minute this.
Ted Thibodeau: the big difference is that voice recording means there's no such thing as don't minute this. ←
15:33:58 <AndyS> q+ to say (A) need to get in legal checked and (B) it's "license of IP", not "release of IP"
Andy Seaborne: q+ to say (A) need to get in legal checked and (B) it's "license of IP", not "release of IP" ←
15:34:33 <gkellogg> manu: we wanted the process to be open. If they want it to be closed, they should join the RDF WG.
Manu Sporny: we wanted the process to be open. If they want it to be closed, they should join the RDF WG. ←
15:34:33 <PatHayes> zakim, PatH is PatHayes
Patrick Hayes: zakim, PatH is PatHayes ←
15:34:33 <Zakim> +PatHayes; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatHayes; got it ←
15:35:09 <gkellogg> ted: recording may have an unintended consequence of silencing some input.
Ted Thibodeau: recording may have an unintended consequence of silencing some input. ←
15:35:47 <gkellogg> manu: large groups that might have a problem participating on the JSON-LD telco are represented on this call.
Manu Sporny: large groups that might have a problem participating on the JSON-LD telco are represented on this call. ←
15:35:56 <gkellogg> … so far, it doesn't seem to have been a problem.
… so far, it doesn't seem to have been a problem. ←
15:36:18 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:36:18 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:36:19 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:36:23 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:36:23 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to say (A) need to get in legal checked and (B) it's "license of IP", not "release of IP"
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to say (A) need to get in legal checked and (B) it's "license of IP", not "release of IP" ←
15:36:29 <PatHayes> zakim, mute me
Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me ←
15:36:29 <Zakim> PatHayes should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: PatHayes should now be muted ←
15:37:14 <gkellogg> andy: I'd be sure that you get this checked by W3C. Unwinding this could be a problem, as it's talking about licensing, not release. Reassignment of IPR is impossible, and blocked in some con tries.
Andy Seaborne: I'd be sure that you get this checked by W3C. Unwinding this could be a problem, as it's talking about licensing, not release. Reassignment of IPR is impossible, and blocked in some con tries. ←
15:37:30 <gkellogg> manu: from this point on, we'll reject pull requests from non-WG members.
Manu Sporny: from this point on, we'll reject pull requests from non-WG members. ←
15:37:43 <gkellogg> david: note that we have rdf-comments list for public input.
David Wood: note that we have rdf-comments list for public input. ←
15:37:48 <gavinc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/json-ld/summary
Gavin Carothers: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/json-ld/summary ←
15:37:59 <gkellogg> manu: master of docs are on GitHub, but they're mirrored to mercurial.
Manu Sporny: master of docs are on GitHub, but they're mirrored to mercurial. ←
15:38:44 <gkellogg> andy: from a W3C point of view, I'd like to see it checked. Otherwise, you're committing stuff from GitHub to hg in W3C automatically.
Andy Seaborne: from a W3C point of view, I'd like to see it checked. Otherwise, you're committing stuff from GitHub to hg in W3C automatically. ←
15:38:49 <gavinc> AndyS, the author info stays the same between hg and git. UNLIKE git and svn
Gavin Carothers: AndyS, the author info stays the same between hg and git. UNLIKE git and svn ←
15:38:55 <gkellogg> manu: we discussed with Ivan and Ian, who didn't raise issues.
Manu Sporny: we discussed with Ivan and Ian, who didn't raise issues. ←
15:39:17 <gkellogg> andy: unless you have a paper trail to back pull requests, you're taking on a big responsibility.
Andy Seaborne: unless you have a paper trail to back pull requests, you're taking on a big responsibility. ←
15:39:33 <gkellogg> … The copyright is between W3C and the reader of the spec.
… The copyright is between W3C and the reader of the spec. ←
15:39:47 <gkellogg> manu: would this require a release for any kind of pull-request?
Manu Sporny: would this require a release for any kind of pull-request? ←
15:39:59 <gkellogg> andy: it would be easier if you just use mercurial.
Andy Seaborne: it would be easier if you just use mercurial. ←
15:40:17 <gkellogg> … it's a difference in licensing with the version control systems.
… it's a difference in licensing with the version control systems. ←
15:40:48 <gkellogg> manu: the specs are part of the JSON-LD website, so that they're kept in sync.
Manu Sporny: the specs are part of the JSON-LD website, so that they're kept in sync. ←
15:41:12 <PatHayes> um...are we going to discuss any technical topics today or is it all legal discussions?
Patrick Hayes: um...are we going to discuss any technical topics today or is it all legal discussions? ←
15:42:02 <gkellogg> manu: commits are made by people who have made IPR commitments. All major changes made by WG members, other than David Lane, who is an employee of Digital Bazaar.
Manu Sporny: commits are made by people who have made IPR commitments. All major changes made by WG members, other than David Lane, who is an employee of Digital Bazaar. ←
15:42:23 <gkellogg> andy: there's a gap, you have commitments from people for what they had contributed, not what they're doing after.
Andy Seaborne: there's a gap, you have commitments from people for what they had contributed, not what they're doing after. ←
15:42:30 <gkellogg> … I think there's a missing step.
… I think there's a missing step. ←
15:42:53 <gkellogg> manu: I think there's only a gap if we allow a commit from someone who's not a WG member.
Manu Sporny: I think there's only a gap if we allow a commit from someone who's not a WG member. ←
15:43:17 <gkellogg> andy: if you make a commit of someone else's copyright, that creates a problem.
Andy Seaborne: if you make a commit of someone else's copyright, that creates a problem. ←
15:43:25 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:43:25 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:43:39 <gkellogg> manu: specs are under W3C copyright, which says that original authors own content, but license it to W3C.
Manu Sporny: specs are under W3C copyright, which says that original authors own content, but license it to W3C. ←
15:44:16 <gkellogg> ted: it's a question of what happens when I put something else, where does it say that past stuff applies to what I'm doing now.
Ted Thibodeau: it's a question of what happens when I put something else, where does it say that past stuff applies to what I'm doing now. ←
15:44:32 <gkellogg> … The concern is for non-WG members.
… The concern is for non-WG members. ←
15:44:59 <gkellogg> manu: if a pull request isn't taken, an editor needs to make the request manually, just like if it had been received over rdf-comments.
Manu Sporny: if a pull request isn't taken, an editor needs to make the request manually, just like if it had been received over rdf-comments. ←
15:45:16 <gkellogg> andy: the difference is the step taken to send something into rdf-comments.
Andy Seaborne: the difference is the step taken to send something into rdf-comments. ←
15:45:37 <gkellogg> david: the only requirement the WG has is that we need to respond to their comments.
David Wood: the only requirement the WG has is that we need to respond to their comments. ←
15:46:11 <gkellogg> … Any member of the public can and should have the ability to comment through rdf-comments. That's different from participating in the group, for which they need to check a box.
… Any member of the public can and should have the ability to comment through rdf-comments. That's different from participating in the group, for which they need to check a box. ←
15:46:30 <gkellogg> ted: the submissions that come in through the source comments need to go through rdf-comments.
Ted Thibodeau: the submissions that come in through the source comments need to go through rdf-comments. ←
15:46:47 <AndyS> q+ to ask (after the current discussion point) about WG-CG involvement and suggest a "Commit then review" model.
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask (after the current discussion point) about WG-CG involvement and suggest a "Commit then review" model. ←
15:46:48 <gkellogg> manu: we'll reject pull-requests, and redirect people through rdf-comments.
Manu Sporny: we'll reject pull-requests, and redirect people through rdf-comments. ←
15:47:06 <PatHayes> makes sense to me.
Patrick Hayes: makes sense to me. ←
15:47:31 <gkellogg> sandro: I don't know how a pull request is any different than a public comment.
Sandro Hawke: I don't know how a pull request is any different than a public comment. ←
15:47:40 <gkellogg> andy: there's a layer of indirection.
Andy Seaborne: there's a layer of indirection. ←
15:47:52 <gavinc> git does a damn good job of keeping track of the original author of each change
Gavin Carothers: git does a damn good job of keeping track of the original author of each change ←
15:48:05 <gkellogg> manu: a pull request is like a forward.
Manu Sporny: a pull request is like a forward. ←
15:48:15 <AndyS> but puts in one unit (a pull request)
Andy Seaborne: but puts in one unit (a pull request) ←
15:48:23 <gavinc> No.
Gavin Carothers: No. ←
15:48:26 <gavinc> Git doesn't do that.
Gavin Carothers: Git doesn't do that. ←
15:48:35 <gkellogg> ted: is the attribution kept forever? If the chain of origin is maintained.
Ted Thibodeau: is the attribution kept forever? If the chain of origin is maintained. ←
15:48:42 <gavinc> The merge commit keeps track of the original commits
Gavin Carothers: The merge commit keeps track of the original commits ←
15:49:19 <gkellogg> andy: this is a difference between centralized and distributed.
Andy Seaborne: this is a difference between centralized and distributed. ←
15:49:38 <sandro> sandro: how about rejecting any pull request not from the person who made all the changes?
Sandro Hawke: how about rejecting any pull request not from the person who made all the changes? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:49:56 <gavinc> It works in Linux!
Gavin Carothers: It works in Linux! ←
15:49:56 <gkellogg> manu: we'll just reject all requests to change the spec by non-RDF group members.
Manu Sporny: we'll just reject all requests to change the spec by non-RDF group members. ←
15:50:05 <sandro> andy: as long as that policy is set and made public.
Andy Seaborne: as long as that policy is set and made public. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:50:11 <gkellogg> andy: it would be good to get this to work, as these are the tools of the future.
Andy Seaborne: it would be good to get this to work, as these are the tools of the future. ←
15:50:47 <gkellogg> … Linux situation is fundamentally different.
… Linux situation is fundamentally different. ←
15:51:15 <gkellogg> manu: perhaps W3C would need to modify copyright license to make it work as if it's GPL.
Manu Sporny: perhaps W3C would need to modify copyright license to make it work as if it's GPL. ←
15:51:20 <AndyS> It says on publication "Copyright © 2008-2012 W3C® (MIT, ERCIM, Keio), All Rights Reserved."
Andy Seaborne: It says on publication "Copyright © 2008-2012 W3C® (MIT, ERCIM, Keio), All Rights Reserved." ←
15:51:50 <gkellogg> gavin: as andy pointed out, the W3C license situation is pretty strange.
Gavin Carothers: as andy pointed out, the W3C license situation is pretty strange. ←
15:52:13 <gkellogg> manu: that copyright is not the same as the final CG copyright.
Manu Sporny: that copyright is not the same as the final CG copyright. ←
15:52:14 <manu> Copyright © 2010-2012 the Contributors to the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 Specification, published by the JSON for Linking Data Community Group under the W3C Community Final Specification Agreement (FSA). A human-readable summary is available.
Manu Sporny: Copyright © 2010-2012 the Contributors to the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 Specification, published by the JSON for Linking Data Community Group under the W3C Community Final Specification Agreement (FSA). A human-readable summary is available. ←
15:52:21 <gkellogg> andy: the issue is what happens going forward.
Andy Seaborne: the issue is what happens going forward. ←
15:52:40 <gkellogg> gavin: I think the JSON-LD license is different than Turtle.
Gavin Carothers: I think the JSON-LD license is different than Turtle. ←
15:52:47 <gkellogg> sandro: no, that won't get past pub-rules.
Sandro Hawke: no, that won't get past pub-rules. ←
15:52:57 <sandro> (I think!)
Sandro Hawke: (I think!) ←
15:53:24 <AndyS> q?
Andy Seaborne: q? ←
15:53:29 <gkellogg> manu: for now, we'll just reject any pull request until we figure out the right way to do this.
Manu Sporny: for now, we'll just reject any pull request until we figure out the right way to do this. ←
15:53:48 <sandro> sandro: and all the current authors have transfered copyright to W3C?
Sandro Hawke: and all the current authors have transfered copyright to W3C? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:53:51 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:53:51 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask (after the current discussion point) about WG-CG involvement and suggest a "Commit then review" model.
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask (after the current discussion point) about WG-CG involvement and suggest a "Commit then review" model. ←
15:53:52 <gkellogg> … All contributors have signed IPR agreements.
… All contributors have signed IPR agreements. ←
15:54:04 <gkellogg> andy: how to the WG and the CG work together.
Andy Seaborne: how to the WG and the CG work together. ←
15:54:07 <sandro> manu: They've signed the IPR agreements which I believe does that.
Manu Sporny: They've signed the IPR agreements which I believe does that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:54:46 <gkellogg> david: we should say that anyone that's not a WG member is free to comment on rdf-comments.
David Wood: we should say that anyone that's not a WG member is free to comment on rdf-comments. ←
15:55:09 <gkellogg> manu: is it okay for company employees to make commits?
Manu Sporny: is it okay for company employees to make commits? ←
15:55:15 <gkellogg> sandro: should put them in the WG.
Sandro Hawke: should put them in the WG. ←
15:55:18 <gavinc> Or join the W3C as a company ;)
Gavin Carothers: Or join the W3C as a company ;) ←
15:56:48 <gkellogg> david: the syntax and API specs are moving to the RDF WG, and the individual members of the CG that will work on it should move to the RDF WG and effectively form a Task Force.
David Wood: the syntax and API specs are moving to the RDF WG, and the individual members of the CG that will work on it should move to the RDF WG and effectively form a Task Force. ←
15:57:03 <gkellogg> … That TF can have a separate telecon, coincident with the telecon.
… That TF can have a separate telecon, coincident with the telecon. ←
15:57:20 <gkellogg> … The CG can work on documents that don't bear on the Syntax and API docs.
… The CG can work on documents that don't bear on the Syntax and API docs. ←
15:57:51 <PatHayes> Pat has to leave. apologies for being late.
Patrick Hayes: Pat has to leave. apologies for being late. ←
15:58:00 <gkellogg> david: the CG should not work on the syntax or API docs.
David Wood: the CG should not work on the syntax or API docs. ←
15:58:01 <Zakim> -PatHayes
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatHayes ←
15:58:11 <gkellogg> manu: can we talk about them? (yes)
Manu Sporny: can we talk about them? (yes) ←
15:58:37 <Zakim> -??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P21 ←
15:58:46 <gkellogg> david: conceptually, think of the Syntax and API as operating through the WG.
David Wood: conceptually, think of the Syntax and API as operating through the WG. ←
15:59:12 <gkellogg> andy: there are two ways that such projects work: commit then review, or review and then commit,
Andy Seaborne: there are two ways that such projects work: commit then review, or review and then commit, ←
15:59:34 <gkellogg> … I suggest commit then review and let the WG know about any non-editorial changes.
… I suggest commit then review and let the WG know about any non-editorial changes. ←
15:59:54 <gkellogg> … commit then review works better for small groups.
… commit then review works better for small groups. ←
16:01:46 <gkellogg> manu: we will send an email out with plain english, rather than raw commit messages or diffs.
Manu Sporny: we will send an email out with plain english, rather than raw commit messages or diffs. ←
16:02:01 <gkellogg> manu: don't expect massive re-engineering of the spec.
Manu Sporny: don't expect massive re-engineering of the spec. ←
16:02:06 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
16:02:37 <davidwood> Topic: AOB
16:02:57 <gkellogg> gavin: now getting started on WG of N-Triples.
Gavin Carothers: now getting started on WG of N-Triples. ←
16:03:11 <gkellogg> … want to figure out if we want to specify canonical form of N-Triples.
… want to figure out if we want to specify canonical form of N-Triples. ←
16:04:04 <gkellogg> … This is broken into how a specific triple is canonicalized.
… This is broken into how a specific triple is canonicalized. ←
16:04:28 <gkellogg> … The second problem is how to do it for a graph. The answer to that is probably no for all graphs, but there is a subset for which it can.
… The second problem is how to do it for a graph. The answer to that is probably no for all graphs, but there is a subset for which it can. ←
16:04:40 <gkellogg> manu: we're very interested in this problem and think we have a solution.
Manu Sporny: we're very interested in this problem and think we have a solution. ←
16:05:12 <gkellogg> … we have a solution using N-Quads. We haven't yet found a graph for which the algorithm doesn't work, but it might not finish.
… we have a solution using N-Quads. We haven't yet found a graph for which the algorithm doesn't work, but it might not finish. ←
16:05:44 <gkellogg> … All real-world problems have worked to date, other than complexity.
… All real-world problems have worked to date, other than complexity. ←
16:06:03 <gkellogg> gavin: start with triple canonicalization, follow with graphs.
Gavin Carothers: start with triple canonicalization, follow with graphs. ←
16:06:13 <gkellogg> manu: would prefer to talk about quads.
Manu Sporny: would prefer to talk about quads. ←
16:06:50 <gkellogg> andy: blank nodes are the issue.
Andy Seaborne: blank nodes are the issue. ←
16:07:06 <manu> http://json-ld.org/playground/
Manu Sporny: http://json-ld.org/playground/ ←
16:07:07 <gkellogg> gavin: if we do triples, the extension to quads is straight-forward.
Gavin Carothers: if we do triples, the extension to quads is straight-forward. ←
16:07:23 <gkellogg> manu: there's an implementation in the playground.
Manu Sporny: there's an implementation in the playground. ←
16:07:53 <gkellogg> … we have specs on normalization, but can't sign up to edit N-Triples at this point.
… we have specs on normalization, but can't sign up to edit N-Triples at this point. ←
16:07:54 <AndyS> What is the use case for a canonical order of triples or quads?
Andy Seaborne: What is the use case for a canonical order of triples or quads? ←
16:08:23 <gavinc> Signing :D
Gavin Carothers: Signing :D ←
16:08:42 <gkellogg> manu: digital signatures are needed for items for sale.
Manu Sporny: digital signatures are needed for items for sale. ←
16:09:12 <gkellogg> … We take the offer and canonicalize/normalize to sign it.
… We take the offer and canonicalize/normalize to sign it. ←
16:09:14 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
16:09:29 <gkellogg> … Also useful to make statements about other transactions.
… Also useful to make statements about other transactions. ←
16:09:49 <gkellogg> … we sign the byte-stream of the canonicalized n-quads.
… we sign the byte-stream of the canonicalized n-quads. ←
16:10:14 <gkellogg> andy: other way is to maintain a master copy and rely on that not changing.
Andy Seaborne: other way is to maintain a master copy and rely on that not changing. ←
16:10:46 <gkellogg> manu: putting N-Quads in a web message is a problem.
Manu Sporny: putting N-Quads in a web message is a problem. ←
16:11:31 <gkellogg> … these digital contracts are unique for each individually buyer.
… these digital contracts are unique for each individually buyer. ←
16:11:51 <sandro> q+ to ask how we're handling normative references from Turtle to RDF11 Concepts?
Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask how we're handling normative references from Turtle to RDF11 Concepts? ←
16:12:12 <zwu2> has to leave for another meeting
Zhe Wu: has to leave for another meeting ←
16:12:13 <zwu2> bye
16:12:15 <davidwood> ack sandro
David Wood: ack sandro ←
16:12:15 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask how we're handling normative references from Turtle to RDF11 Concepts?
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to ask how we're handling normative references from Turtle to RDF11 Concepts? ←
16:12:20 <gavinc> Screwed up and didn't refrence it.
Gavin Carothers: Screwed up and didn't refrence it. ←
16:12:22 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
16:12:44 <gkellogg> sandro: there's not normative reference from RDF Concepts to Turtle.
Sandro Hawke: there's not normative reference from RDF Concepts to Turtle. ←
16:13:01 <AndyS> ?? Fix at at PR.
Andy Seaborne: ?? Fix at at PR. ←
16:13:04 <gkellogg> gavin: we reference 1.0, not 1.1. This is a problem.
Gavin Carothers: we reference 1.0, not 1.1. This is a problem. ←
16:13:04 <Zakim> -ScottB
Zakim IRC Bot: -ScottB ←
16:13:28 <gkellogg> … need 1.1, as 1.0 doesn't refer to IRI.
… need 1.1, as 1.0 doesn't refer to IRI. ←
16:13:38 <gkellogg> sandro: we can refer to IRI separately.
Sandro Hawke: we can refer to IRI separately. ←
16:13:56 <gkellogg> david: XSD refers to RDF Concepts 1.0 or a future release.
David Wood: XSD or some other spec references an upcoming version or a future release. ←
16:14:07 <gkellogg> … It may be some other W3C spec.
… It may be some other W3C spec. ←
16:14:19 <gkellogg> gavin: norm ref needs to be to RDF Concepts 1.1
Gavin Carothers: norm ref needs to be to RDF Concepts 1.1 ←
16:14:35 <gkellogg> sandro: Concepts will probably be stuck on other docs, such as semantics.
Sandro Hawke: Concepts will probably be stuck on other docs, such as semantics. ←
16:15:33 <gkellogg> andy: you can advance close to Rec without the others being resolved.
Andy Seaborne: you can advance close to Rec without the others being resolved. ←
16:15:51 <davidwood> s/david: XSD refers to RDF Concepts 1.0/david: XSD or some other spec references an upcoming version/
16:16:12 <Zakim> -yvesr
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16:16:13 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
16:16:15 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
16:16:15 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
16:16:16 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
16:16:16 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:16:19 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
16:16:21 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
16:16:21 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
Manu Sporny: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:16:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html manu
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html manu ←
16:16:23 <Zakim> -AlexHall
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16:16:25 <Zakim> -AndyS
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16:16:27 <Zakim> -cgreer
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16:16:27 <manu> rrsagent, make logs public
Manu Sporny: rrsagent, make logs public ←
16:16:31 <Zakim> -mlnt
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16:17:15 <Zakim> -LeeF
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16:17:16 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:17:16 <Zakim> Attendees were gavinc, yvesr, cgreer, davidwood, manu, gkellogg, MacTed, ScottB, sandro, AlexHall, zwu2, AndyS, LeeF, AZ, PatHayes
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were gavinc, yvesr, cgreer, davidwood, manu, gkellogg, MacTed, ScottB, sandro, AlexHall, zwu2, AndyS, LeeF, AZ, PatHayes ←
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