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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 21 February 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.21
Seen
Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Simon Miles
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations) link
  2. prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations link
Topics
  1. Admin

    Minutes of the previous teleconference were approved.

  2. WG Implementations

    Luc congratulated Paul, Dong, and Stephan for the high quality of the implementation report. There was no further comment or feedback on the report. The group endorsed its publication as a w3c note.

  3. Transition to Proposed Recommendation

    The editors of the four rec-track document indicated that changes had been implemented, and the documents would be staged by the end of the day. It was decided to submit these documents as proposed recommendation. Congratulations to the whole group for reaching this stage. The group is now well on track to deliver four recommendations. For the benefit of the group, Ivan outlined the next steps in the W3C process.

  4. Notes

    Luc summarized the timetable for publications. Agreed publication date is March 12. Webmaster requested documents to be staged and ready by March 5. The group needs to review documents this week and vote for their release next week. We then organized reviews for various notes: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim will review prov-xml, by February 28. Paul, Simon,, Tom, Stephan, Luc will review prov-dc by February 28. Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid will review prov-sem by February 28: it is understood that this will be a fpwd, and outstanding issues will marked as such in the document. For prov-aq, it was agreed that editors have to focus on issues blocking the release, and changes will be checked by reviewers, before vote by email. For the other notes, editors are to address outstanding issues on the tracker and seek to reach consensus with those who raise issues by email. Vote for releasing the documents will take place on Feb 28th.

  5. embedding prov metadata in the specs

    The group is keen to associate prov metadata with the documents. Given that the Rec-track document had to be finalized by tomorrow, and they can't be changed afterwards, embedding rdfa is practically not possible. Instead the group opted to use the link hasProvenance, as prescribed by the paq, to some url in the prov web space. The url scheme was agreed at the teleconference. This mechanism allows the provenance to be edited till the end of the WG lifetime.

  6. prov-aq

    it was now time to conclude the teleconference. The PAQ editors accordingly to plan in "Notes" agenda item.

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15:42:22 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

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15:42:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

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15:42:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:42:24 <trackbot> Date: 21 February 2013
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15:42:28 <Luc> Agenda:
15:42:39 <Luc> Agenda:http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.21
15:42:49 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
15:42:56 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

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15:43:01 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

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15:43:01 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc

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15:43:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot

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15:43:09 <Luc> topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: Minutes of the previous teleconference were approved.

<Luc> Summary: Minutes of the previous teleconference were approved.
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15:54:00 <Luc> zakim,  +44.238.059.aaaa is me

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15:59:14 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ - current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.21

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16:00:20 <tlebo> zakim, I am aabb

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16:00:25 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

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16:00:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, smiles, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed (muted), [IPcaller], tlebo

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16:00:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, tlebo, Curt, GK-alt, Paolo, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot

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16:00:51 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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16:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-prov-minutes.html TallTed

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16:01:39 <ivan> zakim, code?

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16:01:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

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16:01:42 <smiles> yes

Simon Miles: yes

16:01:46 <Luc> simon?

Luc Moreau: simon?

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16:02:06 <Zakim> +ivan

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16:02:06 <Luc> scribe: smiles

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16:02:27 <Zakim> +??P41

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16:02:32 <Zakim> +Ruben

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16:02:33 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-07

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-07

16:02:39 <Luc> PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of Feb 07, 2013

PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of Feb 07, 2013

16:02:40 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ?? P41 is me

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16:02:40 <Zakim> I don't understand '?? P41 is me', khalidBelhajjame

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16:02:47 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P41 is me

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16:02:52 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me

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16:02:55 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

16:02:56 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

16:02:57 <smiles> 0 (absent)

0 (absent)

16:02:57 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

16:02:58 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:03:00 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:03:00 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:03:03 <Paolo> 0 (missed)

Paolo Missier: 0 (missed)

16:03:03 <GK> 0 (absent)

Graham Klyne: 0 (absent)

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16:03:16 <tlebo> +1

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16:03:28 <Luc>  RESOLVED: the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 are approved

Luc Moreau: RESOLVED: the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 are approved

16:03:51 <smiles> Luc: Action on Luc, not done yet

Luc Moreau: Action on Luc, not done yet

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16:03:58 <smiles> ... Action on Paul, completed

... Action on Paul, completed

16:04:11 <Luc> Topic: WG Implementations

2. WG Implementations

Summary: Luc congratulated Paul, Dong, and Stephan for the high quality of the implementation report. There was no further comment or feedback on the report. The group endorsed its publication as a w3c note.

<luc>Summary: Luc congratulated Paul, Dong, and Stephan for the high quality of the implementation report. There was no further comment or feedback on the report. The group endorsed its publication as a w3c note.
16:04:24 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

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16:04:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:04:39 <smiles> Luc: Paul, Stephan and Dong produced a very good implementation report. Any feedback?

Luc Moreau: Paul, Stephan and Dong produced a very good implementation report. Any feedback?

16:04:43 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html

Paul Groth: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html

16:04:50 <jcheney> having trouble getting through on phone...

James Cheney: having trouble getting through on phone...

16:05:22 <smiles> Luc: If no feedback, will move to resolution to publish this report as a note

Luc Moreau: If no feedback, will move to resolution to publish this report as a note

16:05:23 <Luc> PROPOSED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)

PROPOSED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)

16:05:26 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:05:29 <smiles> +1

+1

16:05:29 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:05:30 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

16:05:34 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

16:05:35 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

16:05:36 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

16:05:37 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:05:37 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:05:37 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

16:05:40 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:05:41 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

16:05:42 <Zakim> +??P18

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16:05:45 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:05:48 <GK> +0 (not reviewed)

Graham Klyne: +0 (not reviewed)

16:05:50 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P18 is me

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16:05:50 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

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16:05:59 <Luc> Resolved: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)

RESOLVED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)

16:06:32 <smiles> Luc: Yes, will have to ask for a short name when we make publication request, which will go ahead with now

Luc Moreau: Yes, will have to ask for a short name when we make publication request, which will go ahead with now

16:06:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

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16:06:37 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:06:41 <pgroth> Q+

Paul Groth: Q+

16:06:44 <smiles> ... Anything else regarding imp report?

... Anything else regarding imp report?

16:06:53 <jcheney> zakim, aa is me

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16:06:53 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'

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16:07:03 <jcheney> zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me

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16:07:03 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'

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16:07:11 <jcheney> zakim, IPcaller.aa is me

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16:07:11 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

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16:07:15 <smiles> pgroth: We will first publish as a Working Draft with PR documents; then publish as Note at end of WG

Paul Groth: We will first publish as a Working Draft with PR documents; then publish as Note at end of WG

16:07:23 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

16:07:35 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN

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16:07:35 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

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16:07:47 <pgroth> btw, we have 64 implementations

Paul Groth: btw, we have 64 implementations

16:07:50 <pgroth> reported

Paul Groth: reported

16:07:55 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, in the staged documents, which URL should we use for implementation report (dated)?

Luc Moreau: Ivan, in the staged documents, which URL should we use for implementation report (dated)?

16:08:03 <smiles> ivan: Yes, dated URL

Ivan Herman: Yes, dated URL

16:08:09 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:08:42 <smiles> ivan: In the draft as of now, be clear that this is version used for transition to PR

Ivan Herman: In the draft as of now, be clear that this is version used for transition to PR

16:09:03 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/PR-prov-dm-20130312/Overview.html

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/PR-prov-dm-20130312/Overview.html

16:09:56 <smiles> ivan: In the Imp Report document itself, make clear this is version used for transition request

Ivan Herman: In the Imp Report document itself, make clear this is version used for transition request

16:10:00 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:10:09 <pgroth> :-(

Paul Groth: :-(

16:10:16 <smiles> pgroth: Will make this edit

Paul Groth: Will make this edit

16:10:20 <Luc> topic: Transition to Proposed Recommendation

3. Transition to Proposed Recommendation

Summary: The editors of the four rec-track document indicated that changes had been implemented, and the documents would be staged by the end of the day. It was decided to submit these documents as proposed recommendation. Congratulations to the whole group for reaching this stage. The group is now well on track to deliver four recommendations. For the benefit of the group, Ivan outlined the next steps in the W3C process.

<luc>Summary: The editors of the four rec-track document indicated that changes had been implemented, and the documents would be staged by the end of the day. It was decided to submit these documents as proposed recommendation.  Congratulations to the whole group for reaching this stage.  The group is now well on track to deliver four recommendations.  For the benefit of the group, Ivan outlined the next steps in the W3C process.
16:10:43 <smiles> Luc: First, update on 4 proposed PR documents

Luc Moreau: First, update on 4 proposed PR documents

16:11:14 <smiles> Luc: PROV-N and PROV-DM are staged, checked, no further feedback from WG, need to update URL for Implementation Report (as above)

Luc Moreau: PROV-N and PROV-DM are staged, checked, no further feedback from WG, need to update URL for Implementation Report (as above)

16:11:30 <smiles> ... With James, have also checked PROV-Constraints

... With James, have also checked PROV-Constraints

16:11:52 <smiles> jcheney: Constraints document is checked and ready to go

James Cheney: Constraints document is checked and ready to go

16:12:38 <smiles> tlebo: Had response to Robin on respec version problems, need to export as HTML not XHTML which might affect RDFa encoding

Timothy Lebo: Had response to Robin on respec version problems, need to export as HTML not XHTML which might affect RDFa encoding

16:12:58 <smiles> ... Once we're through that, ready for changing URL links and staging

... Once we're through that, ready for changing URL links and staging

16:13:20 <smiles> Luc: Sent links this morning regarding exporting HTML5 with RDFa

Luc Moreau: Sent links this morning regarding exporting HTML5 with RDFa

16:13:47 <Luc> lpq

Luc Moreau: lpq

16:13:52 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:13:58 <pgroth> sure

Paul Groth: sure

16:14:22 <smiles> ivan: Once the PR is published, cannot make changes going to Recomendation (including RDFa)

Ivan Herman: Once the PR is published, cannot make changes going to Recomendation (including RDFa)

16:14:51 <Luc> PROPOSED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations

PROPOSED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations

16:15:12 <ivan> +1 (W3C)

Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C)

16:15:14 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 (University of Manchester)

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 (University of Manchester)

16:15:17 <Curt> +1 (NASA)

Curt Tilmes: +1 (NASA)

16:15:17 <smiles> +1 (King's College London / Invited Expert)

+1 (King's College London / Invited Expert)

16:15:19 <Luc> +1 (Southampton)

Luc Moreau: +1 (Southampton)

16:15:21 <TallTed> +1 (OpenLink Software)

Ted Thibodeau: +1 (OpenLink Software)

16:15:22 <pgroth> +1 (VU University Amsterdam)

Paul Groth: +1 (VU University Amsterdam)

16:15:24 <TomDN> +1 (iMinds)

Tom De Nies: +1 (iMinds)

16:15:25 <SamCoppens> +1 (iMinds)

Sam Coppens: +1 (iMinds)

16:15:28 <hook> +1 (JPL/Caltech)

Hook Hua: +1 (JPL/Caltech)

16:15:30 <zednik> +1 (RPI)

Stephan Zednik: +1 (RPI)

16:15:32 <dgarijo> +1 (Universidad Politécnica de Madrid)

Daniel Garijo: +1 (Universidad Politécnica de Madrid)

16:15:33 <Paolo> +1 (newcastle University)

Paolo Missier: +1 (newcastle University)

16:15:35 <satya> +1 (Invited Exper, Case Western Reserve University)

Satya Sahoo: +1 (Invited Exper, Case Western Reserve University)

16:15:36 <jcheney> +1 (University of Edinburgh)

James Cheney: +1 (University of Edinburgh)

16:15:51 <tlebo> +1 (RPI)

Timothy Lebo: +1 (RPI)

16:15:57 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

16:16:04 <GK> ^(Oxford)

Graham Klyne: ^(Oxford)

16:16:18 <Luc> RESOLVED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations

RESOLVED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations

16:16:42 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations. The documents will be submitted as PR

Luc Moreau: Congratulations. The documents will be submitted as PR

16:17:00 <smiles> ivan: Need to submit call to chairs list, as with CR

Ivan Herman: Need to submit call to chairs list, as with CR

16:17:54 <smiles> ... Then wait 5 business days, have a transition call (Doodle prepared) on week after that, convince director to go to PR

... Then wait 5 business days, have a transition call (Doodle prepared) on week after that, convince director to go to PR

16:18:15 <smiles> ... People will set up WBS forms for voting

... People will set up WBS forms for voting

16:18:43 <smiles> ... Members of this group should lobby their organisation to vote

... Members of this group should lobby their organisation to vote

16:19:22 <smiles> ... Theoretical need for another transition call, but only needed if revision required (a vote against)

... Theoretical need for another transition call, but only needed if revision required (a vote against)

16:19:34 <smiles> ... (before Recommendation status)

... (before Recommendation status)

16:20:04 <smiles> ... Only change allowed is to Status section (though spelling errors can be fixed)

... Only change allowed is to Status section (though spelling errors can be fixed)

16:20:38 <smiles> Luc: Ivan has reviewed the draft transition request, needs references to PROV-O. Ready to go?

Luc Moreau: Ivan has reviewed the draft transition request, needs references to PROV-O. Ready to go?

16:20:43 <smiles> ivan: Yes, as far as I know

Ivan Herman: Yes, as far as I know

16:21:18 <smiles> ... should go out tomorrow for sufficient gap before call

... should go out tomorrow for sufficient gap before call

16:21:30 <smiles> Luc: What about MIME type application?

Luc Moreau: What about MIME type application?

16:21:51 <smiles> ivan: will investigate

Ivan Herman: will investigate

16:21:56 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:21:57 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:22:20 <smiles> pgroth: Any connection between length of WG and release of the Recommendations?

Paul Groth: Any connection between length of WG and release of the Recommendations?

16:22:24 <Luc> ack pgr

Luc Moreau: ack pgr

16:22:32 <smiles> ivan: Release should be before end of WG

Ivan Herman: Release should be before end of WG

16:22:57 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:23:00 <smiles> ... Once all documents published, WG may declare finished work and could close early

... Once all documents published, WG may declare finished work and could close early

16:23:11 <smiles> Luc: Anything else on this topic?

Luc Moreau: Anything else on this topic?

16:23:20 <Luc> topic: Notes

4. Notes

Summary: Luc summarized the timetable for publications. Agreed publication date is March 12. Webmaster requested documents to be staged and ready by March 5. The group needs to review documents this week and vote for their release next week. We then organized reviews for various notes: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim will review prov-xml, by February 28. Paul, Simon,, Tom, Stephan, Luc will review prov-dc by February 28. Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid will review prov-sem by February 28: it is understood that this will be a fpwd, and outstanding issues will marked as such in the document. For prov-aq, it was agreed that editors have to focus on issues blocking the release, and changes will be checked by reviewers, before vote by email. For the other notes, editors are to address outstanding issues on the tracker and seek to reach consensus with those who raise issues by email. Vote for releasing the documents will take place on Feb 28th.

<Luc>Summary: Luc summarized the timetable for publications. Agreed publication date is March 12.  Webmaster requested documents to be staged and ready by March 5. The group needs to review documents this week and vote for their release next week.  We then organized reviews for various notes: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim will review prov-xml, by February 28.  Paul, Simon,, Tom, Stephan, Luc will review prov-dc by February 28.  Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid will review prov-sem by February 28: it is understood that this will be a fpwd, and outstanding issues will marked as such in the document.  For prov-aq, it was agreed that editors have to focus on issues blocking the release, and changes will be checked by reviewers, before vote by email. For the other notes, editors are to address outstanding issues on the tracker and seek to reach consensus with those who raise issues by email. Vote for releasing the documents will take place on Feb 28th.
16:23:36 <smiles> ivan: Congratulations to Luc, Paul :)

Ivan Herman: Congratulations to Luc, Paul :)

16:23:44 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

16:23:47 <dgarijo> :)

Daniel Garijo: :)

16:23:51 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0098.html

Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0098.html

16:24:16 <smiles> Luc: See timetable above

Luc Moreau: See timetable above

16:24:43 <smiles> ... Want to publish all our documents on 12 March, so need to be ready a week before

... Want to publish all our documents on 12 March, so need to be ready a week before

16:25:11 <smiles> ... So, at latest, need vote at next telecon for all remaining documents

... So, at latest, need vote at next telecon for all remaining documents

16:25:39 <smiles> ... Would like to look now at each note to see what is required to get there

... Would like to look now at each note to see what is required to get there

16:26:02 <smiles> Luc: Start with PROV-XML; Stephan shared with WG, but reviewers not assigned

Luc Moreau: Start with PROV-XML; Stephan shared with WG, but reviewers not assigned

16:26:20 <smiles> zednik: Stian given some feedback, and modifications made, but nothing further

Stephan Zednik: Stian given some feedback, and modifications made, but nothing further

16:26:54 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:27:11 <smiles> pgroth: Have we had approval for PROV-XML to go to WD?

Paul Groth: Have we had approval for PROV-XML to go to WD?

16:27:14 <smiles> Luc: No not yet

Luc Moreau: No not yet

16:27:20 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:27:20 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:27:25 <smiles> Luc: Will review PROV-XML before next Thursday

Luc Moreau: Will review PROV-XML before next Thursday

16:27:40 <smiles> Luc: Other reviewers?

Luc Moreau: Other reviewers?

16:27:42 <tlebo> I can try...

Timothy Lebo: I can try...

16:28:09 <smiles> Reviewers of PROV-XML: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim

Reviewers of PROV-XML: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim

16:28:27 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:28:31 <smiles> zednik: Regarding embedding RDFa, are all notes trying to do this?

Stephan Zednik: Regarding embedding RDFa, are all notes trying to do this?

16:28:35 <smiles> Luc: Discuss later

Luc Moreau: Discuss later

16:28:38 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

16:28:42 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:29:02 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

16:29:06 <smiles> ivan: For PROV-XML, is there an XSD to publish?

Ivan Herman: For PROV-XML, is there an XSD to publish?

16:29:10 <Luc> ack ivan

Luc Moreau: ack ivan

16:29:13 <smiles> zednik: Multiple XSD documents

Stephan Zednik: Multiple XSD documents

16:29:22 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:29:25 <smiles> ivan: Added to /ns or elsewhere?

Ivan Herman: Added to /ns or elsewhere?

16:29:42 <smiles> zednik: Yes, under /ns

Stephan Zednik: Yes, under /ns

16:29:55 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

16:30:03 <smiles> ivan: Prior to publication, need to give me all those files

Ivan Herman: Prior to publication, need to give me all those files

16:30:21 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:30:38 <smiles> Luc: Vote next Thursday on WD

Luc Moreau: Vote next Thursday on WD

16:31:00 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers

Daniel Garijo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers

16:31:12 <smiles> dgarijo: PROV-DC ready for review (and has RDFa embedded) and detailed responses to previous reviews on Wiki

Daniel Garijo: PROV-DC ready for review (and has RDFa embedded) and detailed responses to previous reviews on Wiki

16:31:22 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:31:32 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

16:31:33 <smiles> Luc: Reviewers for PROV-DC?

Luc Moreau: Reviewers for PROV-DC?

16:31:42 <TomDN> I will

Tom De Nies: I will

16:31:53 <smiles> Yes

Yes

16:31:56 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q

16:31:58 <zednik> I can

Stephan Zednik: I can

16:32:29 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-DC: Paul, Simon (check prior review addressed), Tom, Stephan, Luc (check prior review addressed)

Reviewers for PROV-DC: Paul, Simon (check prior review addressed), Tom, Stephan, Luc (check prior review addressed)

16:32:54 <smiles> Luc: Feedback on PROV-DC, whether to proceed as WD ahead of next telecon

Luc Moreau: Feedback on PROV-DC, whether to proceed as WD ahead of next telecon

16:32:58 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:33:27 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc-directmappings.ttl

Daniel Garijo: http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc-directmappings.ttl

16:33:35 <smiles> dgarijo: There are two referenced files external to note, not currently in Mercurial

Daniel Garijo: There are two referenced files external to note, not currently in Mercurial

16:33:46 <smiles> ivan: Send them to me

Ivan Herman: Send them to me

16:33:53 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:34:01 <Luc> ack dga

Luc Moreau: ack dga

16:34:05 <pgroth> ivan owl:sameAs hg

Paul Groth: ivan owl:sameAs hg

16:34:22 <smiles> Luc; Same timetable for PROV-SEM?

Luc; Same timetable for PROV-SEM?

16:34:37 <tlebo> ivan prov: actedOnBehalfOf hg .

Timothy Lebo: ivan prov: actedOnBehalfOf hg .

16:34:51 <tlebo> hg is responsible for Ivan :-)

Timothy Lebo: hg is responsible for Ivan :-)

16:35:11 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:35:14 <smiles> jcheney: Achievable to produce FPWD if people willing to spend time checking quality

James Cheney: Achievable to produce FPWD if people willing to spend time checking quality

16:35:36 <GK> (I would like to review -SEM, but I'm lacking time due to PROV-AQ commitments)

Graham Klyne: (I would like to review -SEM, but I'm lacking time due to PROV-AQ commitments)

16:35:43 <ivan> +1 to Paul

Ivan Herman: +1 to Paul

16:35:44 <smiles> pgroth: For PROV-SEM, only FPWD, so don't need to be too picky

Paul Groth: For PROV-SEM, only FPWD, so don't need to be too picky

16:35:53 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:36:32 <pgroth> @jcheney that's fine

Paul Groth: @jcheney that's fine

16:36:47 <smiles> jcheney: Will have to-dos and sections to complete etc.

James Cheney: Will have to-dos and sections to complete etc.

16:36:55 <smiles> Luc: That's fine

Luc Moreau: That's fine

16:36:57 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:37:15 <satya> I can review SEM

Satya Sahoo: I can review SEM

16:37:23 <smiles> jcheney: Will prepare version to review for Monday

James Cheney: Will prepare version to review for Monday

16:37:26 <smiles> I would like to review it

I would like to review it

16:37:36 <Paolo> ok that's fine

Paolo Missier: ok that's fine

16:37:38 <khalidBelhajjame> I will review Prov-Sem

Khalid Belhajjame: I will review Prov-Sem

16:37:56 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-SEM: Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid

Reviewers for PROV-SEM: Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid

16:38:05 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:38:08 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:38:15 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

16:38:15 <smiles> pgroth: Reviewers, be nice :)

Paul Groth: Reviewers, be nice :)

16:38:16 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:38:26 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:39:33 <smiles> GK: For PROV-AQ, am somewhat behind; good number of robust reviews since last draft, not all addressed yet

Graham Klyne: For PROV-AQ, am somewhat behind; good number of robust reviews since last draft, not all addressed yet

16:40:05 <smiles> ... Some are suggesting useful changes to the technical content, particularly for REST API and Pingback

... Some are suggesting useful changes to the technical content, particularly for REST API and Pingback

16:40:20 <smiles> ... Others suggest significant editorial changes

... Others suggest significant editorial changes

16:40:52 <smiles> ... Another day or so solid work to get through notes

... Another day or so solid work to get through notes

16:41:01 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:41:05 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:41:13 <smiles> ... Hope to complete by next week's telecon, but too late?

... Hope to complete by next week's telecon, but too late?

16:41:51 <smiles> pgroth: Already done big round of reviews, and everyone except Stian happy to release as WD

Paul Groth: Already done big round of reviews, and everyone except Stian happy to release as WD

16:42:26 <smiles> ... So suggest everyone who submitted review do a quick check of whether OK to go as WD, not any more comprehensive reviews

... So suggest everyone who submitted review do a quick check of whether OK to go as WD, not any more comprehensive reviews

16:42:33 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:42:35 <ivan> +1 to Paul

Ivan Herman: +1 to Paul

16:42:38 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:42:39 <smiles> GK: Makes sense to me

Graham Klyne: Makes sense to me

16:43:26 <smiles> Luc: To smooth process, Stian had blocking issues, so could start conversation with him to see whether those issues addressed in parallel

Luc Moreau: To smooth process, Stian had blocking issues, so could start conversation with him to see whether those issues addressed in parallel

16:43:43 <smiles> GK: OK, will do so after making revision from Stian's comments

Graham Klyne: OK, will do so after making revision from Stian's comments

16:44:13 <pgroth> thanks GK

Paul Groth: thanks GK

16:44:14 <smiles> Luc: Conclusion, new version of PROV-AQ by next telecon; previous reviewers confirm by email that OK to go as WD

Luc Moreau: Conclusion, new version of PROV-AQ by next telecon; previous reviewers confirm by email that OK to go as WD

16:44:27 <TomDN> yes we have

Tom De Nies: yes we have

16:44:37 <smiles> Luc: Already voted for FPWD of PROV-Dictionary

Luc Moreau: Already voted for FPWD of PROV-Dictionary

16:44:37 <TomDN> not staged

Tom De Nies: not staged

16:44:42 <TomDN> zakim, unmute me

Tom De Nies: zakim, unmute me

16:44:42 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

16:44:46 <smiles> Tom: Not yet staged

Tom De Nies: Not yet staged

16:44:56 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:44:58 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q

16:45:03 <smiles> q+

q+

16:45:22 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

16:45:33 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

16:45:33 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

16:45:43 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:45:52 <smiles> Luc: Resolution for each of other notes (primer, links) at next telecon

Luc Moreau: Resolution for each of other notes (primer, links) at next telecon

16:46:01 <smiles> dgarijo: When to stage?

Daniel Garijo: When to stage?

16:46:13 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:46:15 <smiles> Luc: After next telecon, by 5 March

Luc Moreau: After next telecon, by 5 March

16:46:16 <Luc> ack dg

Luc Moreau: ack dg

16:47:42 <smiles> smiles: Another review of primer needed?

Simon Miles: Another review of primer needed?

16:47:56 <Luc> ack sm

Luc Moreau: ack sm

16:47:59 <smiles> Luc: No, changes were to address specific issues raised

Luc Moreau: No, changes were to address specific issues raised

16:48:17 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:48:21 <smiles> ivan: Note that in PR phase, WG will have nothing else to do (but notes)

Ivan Herman: Note that in PR phase, WG will have nothing else to do (but notes)

16:48:29 <Luc> topic: embedding prov metadata in the specs

5. embedding prov metadata in the specs

Summary: The group is keen to associate prov metadata with the documents. Given that the Rec-track document had to be finalized by tomorrow, and they can't be changed afterwards, embedding rdfa is practically not possible. Instead the group opted to use the link hasProvenance, as prescribed by the paq, to some url in the prov web space. The url scheme was agreed at the teleconference. This mechanism allows the provenance to be edited till the end of the WG lifetime.

<Luc> Summary: The group is keen to associate prov metadata with the documents. Given that the Rec-track document had to be finalized by tomorrow, and they can't be changed afterwards, embedding rdfa is practically not possible. Instead the group opted to use the link hasProvenance, as prescribed by the paq, to some url in the prov web space. The url scheme was agreed at the teleconference.  This mechanism allows the provenance to be edited till the end of the WG lifetime.
16:48:57 <smiles> Luc: With four PR documents, cannot touch any more after tomorrow

Luc Moreau: With four PR documents, cannot touch any more after tomorrow

16:49:25 <smiles> ... The PROV metadata we embed is not normative, and can link from HTML documents using PROV-AQ

... The PROV metadata we embed is not normative, and can link from HTML documents using PROV-AQ

16:49:44 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:49:49 <smiles> ... Cannot add substantial RDFa to PROV-DM, N, Constraints by tomorrow

... Cannot add substantial RDFa to PROV-DM, N, Constraints by tomorrow

16:50:11 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:50:15 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:50:17 <Luc> ack ivan

Luc Moreau: ack ivan

16:50:23 <smiles> ivan: Is the idea that the Recommendations themselves only include link to an RDF file somewhere, using RDFa?

Ivan Herman: Is the idea that the Recommendations themselves only include link to an RDF file somewhere, using RDFa?

16:50:35 <smiles> Luc: Not even RDFa, HTML link as in PROV-AQ

Luc Moreau: Not even RDFa, HTML link as in PROV-AQ

16:50:42 <GK> (PROV-AQ doesn't specify use of RDFa)

Graham Klyne: (PROV-AQ doesn't specify use of RDFa)

16:51:13 <tlebo> linking to an RDF file from each spec doc fits with our /ns strategy for prov.owl etc.

Timothy Lebo: linking to an RDF file from each spec doc fits with our /ns strategy for prov.owl etc.

16:51:15 <dgarijo> @GK: and the "hasProvenance" pointing to a .ttl file with the rdf statements?

Daniel Garijo: @GK: and the "hasProvenance" pointing to a .ttl file with the rdf statements?

16:51:21 <Curt> Keep in mind that this is a pathfinder and we are implicitly recommending that all future W3C documents follow the model of whatever we do now..

Curt Tilmes: Keep in mind that this is a pathfinder and we are implicitly recommending that all future W3C documents follow the model of whatever we do now..

16:51:24 <smiles> ivan: Shouldn't be a problem; so the provenance file itself can be in any serialisation; should not have a URI in the /PR space

Ivan Herman: Shouldn't be a problem; so the provenance file itself can be in any serialisation; should not have a URI in the /PR space

16:51:49 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:52:00 <smiles> ... Put as Turtle file somewhere in provenance space, finalise when go to Recommendation

... Put as Turtle file somewhere in provenance space, finalise when go to Recommendation

16:52:01 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:52:21 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Ivan's outline

Paul Groth: Agree with Ivan's outline

16:53:01 <smiles> ... Also want to have a nice HTML page for our namespace, and that page could have RDFa embedded provenance

... Also want to have a nice HTML page for our namespace, and that page could have RDFa embedded provenance

16:53:02 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:53:03 <tlebo> q+ to say each spec's  "one link" to an RDF file in "[something like] /ns" makes sense, and fits what we currently do with our OWL files in /ns

Timothy Lebo: q+ to say each spec's "one link" to an RDF file in "[something like] /ns" makes sense, and fits what we currently do with our OWL files in /ns

16:53:37 <smiles> ivan: The latter HTML file can be published after Recommendation

Ivan Herman: The latter HTML file can be published after Recommendation

16:53:42 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:54:09 <smiles> tlebo: Also support what is currently being discussed

Timothy Lebo: Also support what is currently being discussed

16:54:13 <GK> If we use:

Graham Klyne: If we use:

16:54:18 <tlebo> q-

Timothy Lebo: q-

16:54:24 <GK> (oops… )

Graham Klyne: (oops… )

16:54:26 <tlebo> one for each makes sense.

Timothy Lebo: one for each makes sense.

16:54:36 <tlebo> the "single file for all" is the /ns's index page.

Timothy Lebo: the "single file for all" is the /ns's index page.

16:54:37 <smiles> Luc: Are we going for 1 provenance file for each spec, or one for all?

Luc Moreau: Are we going for 1 provenance file for each spec, or one for all?

16:54:41 <tlebo> @luc both

Timothy Lebo: @luc both

16:54:49 <tlebo> both :-)

Timothy Lebo: both :-)

16:54:51 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:55:11 <dgarijo> then we are going to drop the rdf-a annotation embedded in the specs?

Daniel Garijo: then we are going to drop the rdf-a annotation embedded in the specs?

16:55:23 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:55:23 <smiles> GK: One provenance file could include information about multiple dated releases

Graham Klyne: One provenance file could include information about multiple dated releases

16:55:38 <dgarijo> @pgroth: +1

Daniel Garijo: @pgroth: +1

16:56:03 <smiles> pgroth: Suggest each specification link to its own provenance file, and then when produce /ns HTML page, that can point to all these files

Paul Groth: Suggest each specification link to its own provenance file, and then when produce /ns HTML page, that can point to all these files

16:56:05 <tlebo> @dgarijo you could RDFa-ize the prov:hasProvenance link to the "one provenance file" analogous to the html link link.

Timothy Lebo: @dgarijo you could RDFa-ize the prov:hasProvenance link to the "one provenance file" analogous to the html link link.

16:56:15 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:56:29 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

16:56:38 <tlebo> +1 pgroth to reference/union the "each prov file per spec" into the /ns index page.

Timothy Lebo: +1 pgroth to reference/union the "each prov file per spec" into the /ns index page.

16:56:39 <dgarijo> @tim: I have already embedded rdf-a in the note. Would I have to drop it then? :(

Daniel Garijo: @tim: I have already embedded rdf-a in the note. Would I have to drop it then? :(

16:56:41 <smiles> Luc: If we are to freeze Recommendations by tomorrow, need to freeze that URL now?

Luc Moreau: If we are to freeze Recommendations by tomorrow, need to freeze that URL now?

16:56:44 <smiles> ivan: Yes

Ivan Herman: Yes

16:56:57 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:57:03 <tlebo> @dgarijo you can leave it, there'd just be different provenance of the provenance :-)

Timothy Lebo: @dgarijo you can leave it, there'd just be different provenance of the provenance :-)

16:57:03 <smiles> Luc: What is the provenance W3C space?

Luc Moreau: What is the provenance W3C space?

16:57:19 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ as stem of URI?

Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ as stem of URI?

16:57:21 <dgarijo> @tlebo: :)

Daniel Garijo: @tlebo: :)

16:58:03 <tlebo> +1 to determining the targetURIs of our provenance files.

Timothy Lebo: +1 to determining the targetURIs of our provenance files.

16:58:16 <Luc> so, would it be http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl as the file for prov-dm?

Luc Moreau: so, would it be http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl as the file for prov-dm?

16:58:35 <tlebo> q+ to verify that we must finalize the targetURIs by the end of the WG, right?

Timothy Lebo: q+ to verify that we must finalize the targetURIs by the end of the WG, right?

16:58:40 <GK> curl -i -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/

Graham Klyne: curl -i -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/

16:58:47 <tlebo> (finalize the CONTENTS of the targetURIs)

Timothy Lebo: (finalize the CONTENTS of the targetURIs)

16:58:49 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:59:29 <pgroth> not target uris

Paul Groth: not target uris

16:59:40 <smiles> tlebo: For each note and spec, we will include one link to a file, finalised contents of these by Recommendations?

Timothy Lebo: For each note and spec, we will include one link to a file, finalised contents of these by Recommendations?

16:59:54 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

17:00:01 <smiles> ivan: Yes

Ivan Herman: Yes

17:00:02 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

17:00:04 <tlebo> q-

Timothy Lebo: q-

17:00:05 <Luc> ack tl

Luc Moreau: ack tl

17:00:06 <GK> @ivan no redirect for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance

Graham Klyne: @ivan no redirect for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance

17:00:13 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:00:17 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/test.txt

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/test.txt

17:00:26 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

17:00:30 <smiles> ivan: Can you see the file above?

Ivan Herman: Can you see the file above?

17:00:34 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a]

17:00:35 <smiles> Luc: yes

Luc Moreau: yes

17:00:56 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:01:10 <Luc> can you redirect for now to mercurial?

Luc Moreau: can you redirect for now to mercurial?

17:01:12 <pgroth> no

Paul Groth: no

17:01:15 <smiles> ivan: So we can put files in that directory

Ivan Herman: So we can put files in that directory

17:01:20 <pgroth> but we can manage this later

Paul Groth: but we can manage this later

17:01:44 <smiles> ivan: For the moment, I will have to push these files onto the website

Ivan Herman: For the moment, I will have to push these files onto the website

17:02:09 <GK> Can we set up an .htaccess redirect to mercurial?

Graham Klyne: Can we set up an .htaccess redirect to mercurial?

17:02:23 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes

Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes

17:02:25 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, can you put links to Mercurial in that directory, so we can edit the files?

Luc Moreau: Ivan, can you put links to Mercurial in that directory, so we can edit the files?

17:02:31 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aacc

17:02:52 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl

17:02:55 <tlebo> +1 to building the prov-dm.prov in hg, redirect until publishing FR, and copy into CVS when we publish FR.

Timothy Lebo: +1 to building the prov-dm.prov in hg, redirect until publishing FR, and copy into CVS when we publish FR.

17:03:17 <smiles> Luc: Will URL for PROV-DM provenance file be that above?

Luc Moreau: Will URL for PROV-DM provenance file be that above?

17:03:27 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl    ??

Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl ??

17:03:31 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm (no extension) with conneg to the serialization

Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm (no extension) with conneg to the serialization

17:03:52 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm

17:03:54 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

17:03:55 <dgarijo> prov-dm-prov? :D

Daniel Garijo: prov-dm-prov? :D

17:04:17 <TomDN> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm

Tom De Nies: +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm

17:04:26 <GK> +1 drop .ttl

Graham Klyne: +1 drop .ttl

17:04:37 <tlebo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm

Timothy Lebo: +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm

17:04:40 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Tim that drop file extension and have content negotiation and add /provenance/ subdirectory

Paul Groth: Agree with Tim that drop file extension and have content negotiation and add /provenance/ subdirectory

17:04:49 <dgarijo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm

Daniel Garijo: +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm

17:05:01 <smiles> Luc: Works well, can point to Mercurial directory /provenance

Luc Moreau: Works well, can point to Mercurial directory /provenance

17:05:34 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:05:39 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

17:05:40 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

17:05:41 <tlebo> can we put the provenance files in the exsisting 'ontology', 'model" directory?

Timothy Lebo: can we put the provenance files in the exsisting 'ontology', 'model" directory?

17:05:48 <Luc> Topic: prov-aq

6. prov-aq

Summary: it was now time to conclude the teleconference. The PAQ editors accordingly to plan in "Notes" agenda item.

<luc>Summary: it was now time to conclude the teleconference. The PAQ editors accordingly to plan in "Notes" agenda item.
17:06:19 <GK> FWIW, I'm happy to

Graham Klyne: FWIW, I'm happy to

17:06:41 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:06:41 <GK> … to push ahead with edits then discuss when available.

Graham Klyne: … to push ahead with edits then discuss when available.

17:06:47 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo

17:06:49 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:06:57 <smiles> pgroth: Discussions we need to have on PROV-AQ are elaborate, and given earlier agreement, so delay to next week

Paul Groth: Discussions we need to have on PROV-AQ are elaborate, and given earlier agreement, so delay to next week

17:07:19 <smiles> Luc: Next week, vote on release all documents (except PROV-AQ by email)

Luc Moreau: Next week, vote on release all documents (except PROV-AQ by email)

17:07:20 <TomDN> bye!

Tom De Nies: bye!

17:07:20 <khalidBelhajjame> bye

Khalid Belhajjame: bye

17:07:21 <Zakim> -tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo

17:07:22 <dgarijo> bbye

Daniel Garijo: bbye

17:07:23 <GK> Bye

Graham Klyne: Bye

17:07:24 <SamCoppens> Bye!

Sam Coppens: Bye!

17:07:25 <smiles> OK, thanks

OK, thanks

17:07:26 <Zakim> -TomDN

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17:07:26 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:07:27 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame

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17:07:27 <Zakim> -ivan

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17:07:28 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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17:07:28 <Zakim> -TallTed

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17:07:29 <Zakim> -dgarijo

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17:07:29 <Zakim> -jcheney

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17:07:32 <Zakim> -smiles

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17:07:35 <Zakim> -Luc

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17:07:49 <Zakim> -GK

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17:07:50 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

17:07:50 <Zakim> Attendees were smiles, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed, [IPcaller], +1.315.330.aabb, tlebo, GK, ivan, +1.818.731.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, TomDN, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, jcheney, SamCoppens

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were smiles, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed, [IPcaller], +1.315.330.aabb, tlebo, GK, ivan, +1.818.731.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, TomDN, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, jcheney, SamCoppens



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