Minutes of the previous teleconference were approved.
Luc congratulated Paul, Dong, and Stephan for the high quality of the implementation report. There was no further comment or feedback on the report. The group endorsed its publication as a w3c note.
Transition to Proposed Recommendation
The editors of the four rec-track document indicated that changes had been implemented, and the documents would be staged by the end of the day. It was decided to submit these documents as proposed recommendation. Congratulations to the whole group for reaching this stage. The group is now well on track to deliver four recommendations. For the benefit of the group, Ivan outlined the next steps in the W3C process.
Luc summarized the timetable for publications. Agreed publication date is March 12. Webmaster requested documents to be staged and ready by March 5. The group needs to review documents this week and vote for their release next week. We then organized reviews for various notes: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim will review prov-xml, by February 28. Paul, Simon,, Tom, Stephan, Luc will review prov-dc by February 28. Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid will review prov-sem by February 28: it is understood that this will be a fpwd, and outstanding issues will marked as such in the document. For prov-aq, it was agreed that editors have to focus on issues blocking the release, and changes will be checked by reviewers, before vote by email. For the other notes, editors are to address outstanding issues on the tracker and seek to reach consensus with those who raise issues by email. Vote for releasing the documents will take place on Feb 28th.
embedding prov metadata in the specs
The group is keen to associate prov metadata with the documents. Given that the Rec-track document had to be finalized by tomorrow, and they can't be changed afterwards, embedding rdfa is practically not possible. Instead the group opted to use the link hasProvenance, as prescribed by the paq, to some url in the prov web space. The url scheme was agreed at the teleconference. This mechanism allows the provenance to be edited till the end of the WG lifetime.
it was now time to conclude the teleconference. The PAQ editors accordingly to plan in "Notes" agenda item.
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15:42:22 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:42:22 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
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15:42:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:42:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:42:24 <trackbot> Date: 21 February 2013
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15:42:28 <Luc> Agenda:
15:42:39 <Luc> Agenda:http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.21
15:42:49 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
15:42:56 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:43:01 <Luc> zakim, who is here?
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15:43:01 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc
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15:43:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot
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15:43:09 <Luc> topic: Admin
Summary: Minutes of the previous teleconference were approved.
<Luc> Summary: Minutes of the previous teleconference were approved.
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15:53:53 <Zakim> +??P38
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15:53:59 <smiles> zakim, ??P38 is smiles
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15:53:59 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
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15:54:00 <Luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me
Luc Moreau: zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me ←
15:54:00 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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15:58:54 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes
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15:59:24 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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15:59:32 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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15:59:32 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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15:59:34 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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15:59:34 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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16:00:20 <tlebo> zakim, I am aabb
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16:00:20 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it
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16:00:25 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
16:00:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, smiles, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed (muted), [IPcaller], tlebo
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16:00:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, tlebo, Curt, GK-alt, Paolo, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GK, tlebo, Curt, GK-alt, Paolo, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot ←
16:00:51 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-prov-minutes.html TallTed
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16:00:56 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:01:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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16:01:32 <TallTed> (setting permissions has no effect until there is a file to set the permissions on. this is a bug in trackbot.)
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16:01:39 <ivan> zakim, code?
Ivan Herman: zakim, code? ←
16:01:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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16:01:42 <smiles> yes
Simon Miles: yes ←
16:01:46 <Luc> simon?
Luc Moreau: simon? ←
16:01:54 <Zakim> +??P26
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16:02:04 <GK> zakim, ??p26 is me
Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p26 is me ←
16:02:04 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
16:02:06 <Zakim> +ivan
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16:02:06 <Luc> scribe: smiles
(Scribe set to Simon Miles)
16:02:27 <Zakim> +??P41
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16:02:32 <Zakim> +Ruben
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16:02:33 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-07
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-07 ←
16:02:39 <Luc> PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of Feb 07, 2013
PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 ←
16:02:40 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ?? P41 is me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ?? P41 is me ←
16:02:40 <Zakim> I don't understand '?? P41 is me', khalidBelhajjame
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16:02:44 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aacc
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16:02:45 <TomDN> Zakim, +Ruben is me
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16:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named '+Ruben'
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16:02:47 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P41 is me
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16:02:47 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it
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16:02:52 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, Ruben is me ←
16:02:52 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
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16:02:55 <TomDN> +1
Tom De Nies: +1 ←
16:02:56 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:02:57 <smiles> 0 (absent)
0 (absent) ←
16:02:57 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:02:58 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:03:00 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:03:00 <hook> +1
16:03:03 <Paolo> 0 (missed)
Paolo Missier: 0 (missed) ←
16:03:03 <GK> 0 (absent)
Graham Klyne: 0 (absent) ←
16:03:07 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
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16:03:16 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
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16:03:16 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
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16:03:16 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:03:28 <Luc> RESOLVED: the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 are approved
Luc Moreau: RESOLVED: the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 are approved ←
16:03:51 <smiles> Luc: Action on Luc, not done yet
Luc Moreau: Action on Luc, not done yet ←
16:03:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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16:03:58 <smiles> ... Action on Paul, completed
... Action on Paul, completed ←
16:04:11 <Luc> Topic: WG Implementations
Summary: Luc congratulated Paul, Dong, and Stephan for the high quality of the implementation report. There was no further comment or feedback on the report. The group endorsed its publication as a w3c note.
<luc>Summary: Luc congratulated Paul, Dong, and Stephan for the high quality of the implementation report. There was no further comment or feedback on the report. The group endorsed its publication as a w3c note.
16:04:24 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
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16:04:38 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:04:39 <smiles> Luc: Paul, Stephan and Dong produced a very good implementation report. Any feedback?
Luc Moreau: Paul, Stephan and Dong produced a very good implementation report. Any feedback? ←
16:04:43 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html
Paul Groth: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html ←
16:04:50 <jcheney> having trouble getting through on phone...
James Cheney: having trouble getting through on phone... ←
16:05:22 <smiles> Luc: If no feedback, will move to resolution to publish this report as a note
Luc Moreau: If no feedback, will move to resolution to publish this report as a note ←
16:05:23 <Luc> PROPOSED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)
PROPOSED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations) ←
16:05:26 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:05:29 <smiles> +1
+1 ←
16:05:29 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:05:30 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:05:34 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
16:05:35 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:05:36 <Paolo> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
16:05:37 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:05:37 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:05:37 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:05:40 <hook> +1
16:05:41 <TomDN> +1
Tom De Nies: +1 ←
16:05:42 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
16:05:45 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:05:48 <GK> +0 (not reviewed)
Graham Klyne: +0 (not reviewed) ←
16:05:50 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P18 is me
Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P18 is me ←
16:05:50 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
16:05:59 <Luc> Resolved: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)
RESOLVED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations) ←
16:06:32 <smiles> Luc: Yes, will have to ask for a short name when we make publication request, which will go ahead with now
Luc Moreau: Yes, will have to ask for a short name when we make publication request, which will go ahead with now ←
16:06:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa] ←
16:06:37 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:06:41 <pgroth> Q+
Paul Groth: Q+ ←
16:06:44 <smiles> ... Anything else regarding imp report?
... Anything else regarding imp report? ←
16:06:53 <jcheney> zakim, aa is me
James Cheney: zakim, aa is me ←
16:06:53 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa' ←
16:07:03 <jcheney> zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me
James Cheney: zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me ←
16:07:03 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]' ←
16:07:11 <jcheney> zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
James Cheney: zakim, IPcaller.aa is me ←
16:07:11 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it ←
16:07:15 <smiles> pgroth: We will first publish as a Working Draft with PR documents; then publish as Note at end of WG
Paul Groth: We will first publish as a Working Draft with PR documents; then publish as Note at end of WG ←
16:07:23 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:07:35 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN
Sam Coppens: zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN ←
16:07:35 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it ←
16:07:47 <pgroth> btw, we have 64 implementations
Paul Groth: btw, we have 64 implementations ←
16:07:50 <pgroth> reported
Paul Groth: reported ←
16:07:55 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, in the staged documents, which URL should we use for implementation report (dated)?
Luc Moreau: Ivan, in the staged documents, which URL should we use for implementation report (dated)? ←
16:08:03 <smiles> ivan: Yes, dated URL
Ivan Herman: Yes, dated URL ←
16:08:09 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:08:42 <smiles> ivan: In the draft as of now, be clear that this is version used for transition to PR
Ivan Herman: In the draft as of now, be clear that this is version used for transition to PR ←
16:09:03 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/PR-prov-dm-20130312/Overview.html
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/PR-prov-dm-20130312/Overview.html ←
16:09:56 <smiles> ivan: In the Imp Report document itself, make clear this is version used for transition request
Ivan Herman: In the Imp Report document itself, make clear this is version used for transition request ←
16:10:00 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:10:09 <pgroth> :-(
Paul Groth: :-( ←
16:10:16 <smiles> pgroth: Will make this edit
Paul Groth: Will make this edit ←
16:10:20 <Luc> topic: Transition to Proposed Recommendation
Summary: The editors of the four rec-track document indicated that changes had been implemented, and the documents would be staged by the end of the day. It was decided to submit these documents as proposed recommendation. Congratulations to the whole group for reaching this stage. The group is now well on track to deliver four recommendations. For the benefit of the group, Ivan outlined the next steps in the W3C process.
<luc>Summary: The editors of the four rec-track document indicated that changes had been implemented, and the documents would be staged by the end of the day. It was decided to submit these documents as proposed recommendation. Congratulations to the whole group for reaching this stage. The group is now well on track to deliver four recommendations. For the benefit of the group, Ivan outlined the next steps in the W3C process.
16:10:43 <smiles> Luc: First, update on 4 proposed PR documents
Luc Moreau: First, update on 4 proposed PR documents ←
16:11:14 <smiles> Luc: PROV-N and PROV-DM are staged, checked, no further feedback from WG, need to update URL for Implementation Report (as above)
Luc Moreau: PROV-N and PROV-DM are staged, checked, no further feedback from WG, need to update URL for Implementation Report (as above) ←
16:11:30 <smiles> ... With James, have also checked PROV-Constraints
... With James, have also checked PROV-Constraints ←
16:11:52 <smiles> jcheney: Constraints document is checked and ready to go
James Cheney: Constraints document is checked and ready to go ←
16:12:38 <smiles> tlebo: Had response to Robin on respec version problems, need to export as HTML not XHTML which might affect RDFa encoding
Timothy Lebo: Had response to Robin on respec version problems, need to export as HTML not XHTML which might affect RDFa encoding ←
16:12:58 <smiles> ... Once we're through that, ready for changing URL links and staging
... Once we're through that, ready for changing URL links and staging ←
16:13:20 <smiles> Luc: Sent links this morning regarding exporting HTML5 with RDFa
Luc Moreau: Sent links this morning regarding exporting HTML5 with RDFa ←
16:13:47 <Luc> lpq
Luc Moreau: lpq ←
16:13:52 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:13:58 <pgroth> sure
Paul Groth: sure ←
16:14:22 <smiles> ivan: Once the PR is published, cannot make changes going to Recomendation (including RDFa)
Ivan Herman: Once the PR is published, cannot make changes going to Recomendation (including RDFa) ←
16:14:51 <Luc> PROPOSED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations
PROPOSED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations ←
16:15:12 <ivan> +1 (W3C)
Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C) ←
16:15:14 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 (University of Manchester)
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 (University of Manchester) ←
16:15:17 <Curt> +1 (NASA)
Curt Tilmes: +1 (NASA) ←
16:15:17 <smiles> +1 (King's College London / Invited Expert)
+1 (King's College London / Invited Expert) ←
16:15:19 <Luc> +1 (Southampton)
Luc Moreau: +1 (Southampton) ←
16:15:21 <TallTed> +1 (OpenLink Software)
Ted Thibodeau: +1 (OpenLink Software) ←
16:15:22 <pgroth> +1 (VU University Amsterdam)
Paul Groth: +1 (VU University Amsterdam) ←
16:15:24 <TomDN> +1 (iMinds)
Tom De Nies: +1 (iMinds) ←
16:15:25 <SamCoppens> +1 (iMinds)
Sam Coppens: +1 (iMinds) ←
16:15:28 <hook> +1 (JPL/Caltech)
16:15:30 <zednik> +1 (RPI)
Stephan Zednik: +1 (RPI) ←
16:15:32 <dgarijo> +1 (Universidad Politécnica de Madrid)
Daniel Garijo: +1 (Universidad Politécnica de Madrid) ←
16:15:33 <Paolo> +1 (newcastle University)
Paolo Missier: +1 (newcastle University) ←
16:15:35 <satya> +1 (Invited Exper, Case Western Reserve University)
Satya Sahoo: +1 (Invited Exper, Case Western Reserve University) ←
16:15:36 <jcheney> +1 (University of Edinburgh)
James Cheney: +1 (University of Edinburgh) ←
16:15:51 <tlebo> +1 (RPI)
Timothy Lebo: +1 (RPI) ←
16:15:57 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
16:16:04 <GK> ^(Oxford)
Graham Klyne: ^(Oxford) ←
16:16:18 <Luc> RESOLVED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations
RESOLVED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations ←
16:16:42 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations. The documents will be submitted as PR
Luc Moreau: Congratulations. The documents will be submitted as PR ←
16:17:00 <smiles> ivan: Need to submit call to chairs list, as with CR
Ivan Herman: Need to submit call to chairs list, as with CR ←
16:17:54 <smiles> ... Then wait 5 business days, have a transition call (Doodle prepared) on week after that, convince director to go to PR
... Then wait 5 business days, have a transition call (Doodle prepared) on week after that, convince director to go to PR ←
16:18:15 <smiles> ... People will set up WBS forms for voting
... People will set up WBS forms for voting ←
16:18:43 <smiles> ... Members of this group should lobby their organisation to vote
... Members of this group should lobby their organisation to vote ←
16:19:22 <smiles> ... Theoretical need for another transition call, but only needed if revision required (a vote against)
... Theoretical need for another transition call, but only needed if revision required (a vote against) ←
16:19:34 <smiles> ... (before Recommendation status)
... (before Recommendation status) ←
16:20:04 <smiles> ... Only change allowed is to Status section (though spelling errors can be fixed)
... Only change allowed is to Status section (though spelling errors can be fixed) ←
16:20:38 <smiles> Luc: Ivan has reviewed the draft transition request, needs references to PROV-O. Ready to go?
Luc Moreau: Ivan has reviewed the draft transition request, needs references to PROV-O. Ready to go? ←
16:20:43 <smiles> ivan: Yes, as far as I know
Ivan Herman: Yes, as far as I know ←
16:21:18 <smiles> ... should go out tomorrow for sufficient gap before call
... should go out tomorrow for sufficient gap before call ←
16:21:30 <smiles> Luc: What about MIME type application?
Luc Moreau: What about MIME type application? ←
16:21:51 <smiles> ivan: will investigate
Ivan Herman: will investigate ←
16:21:56 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:21:57 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:22:20 <smiles> pgroth: Any connection between length of WG and release of the Recommendations?
Paul Groth: Any connection between length of WG and release of the Recommendations? ←
16:22:24 <Luc> ack pgr
Luc Moreau: ack pgr ←
16:22:32 <smiles> ivan: Release should be before end of WG
Ivan Herman: Release should be before end of WG ←
16:22:57 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:23:00 <smiles> ... Once all documents published, WG may declare finished work and could close early
... Once all documents published, WG may declare finished work and could close early ←
16:23:11 <smiles> Luc: Anything else on this topic?
Luc Moreau: Anything else on this topic? ←
16:23:20 <Luc> topic: Notes
Summary: Luc summarized the timetable for publications. Agreed publication date is March 12. Webmaster requested documents to be staged and ready by March 5. The group needs to review documents this week and vote for their release next week. We then organized reviews for various notes: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim will review prov-xml, by February 28. Paul, Simon,, Tom, Stephan, Luc will review prov-dc by February 28. Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid will review prov-sem by February 28: it is understood that this will be a fpwd, and outstanding issues will marked as such in the document. For prov-aq, it was agreed that editors have to focus on issues blocking the release, and changes will be checked by reviewers, before vote by email. For the other notes, editors are to address outstanding issues on the tracker and seek to reach consensus with those who raise issues by email. Vote for releasing the documents will take place on Feb 28th.
<Luc>Summary: Luc summarized the timetable for publications. Agreed publication date is March 12. Webmaster requested documents to be staged and ready by March 5. The group needs to review documents this week and vote for their release next week. We then organized reviews for various notes: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim will review prov-xml, by February 28. Paul, Simon,, Tom, Stephan, Luc will review prov-dc by February 28. Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid will review prov-sem by February 28: it is understood that this will be a fpwd, and outstanding issues will marked as such in the document. For prov-aq, it was agreed that editors have to focus on issues blocking the release, and changes will be checked by reviewers, before vote by email. For the other notes, editors are to address outstanding issues on the tracker and seek to reach consensus with those who raise issues by email. Vote for releasing the documents will take place on Feb 28th.
16:23:36 <smiles> ivan: Congratulations to Luc, Paul :)
Ivan Herman: Congratulations to Luc, Paul :) ←
16:23:44 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:23:47 <dgarijo> :)
Daniel Garijo: :) ←
16:23:51 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0098.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0098.html ←
16:24:16 <smiles> Luc: See timetable above
Luc Moreau: See timetable above ←
16:24:43 <smiles> ... Want to publish all our documents on 12 March, so need to be ready a week before
... Want to publish all our documents on 12 March, so need to be ready a week before ←
16:25:11 <smiles> ... So, at latest, need vote at next telecon for all remaining documents
... So, at latest, need vote at next telecon for all remaining documents ←
16:25:39 <smiles> ... Would like to look now at each note to see what is required to get there
... Would like to look now at each note to see what is required to get there ←
16:26:02 <smiles> Luc: Start with PROV-XML; Stephan shared with WG, but reviewers not assigned
Luc Moreau: Start with PROV-XML; Stephan shared with WG, but reviewers not assigned ←
16:26:20 <smiles> zednik: Stian given some feedback, and modifications made, but nothing further
Stephan Zednik: Stian given some feedback, and modifications made, but nothing further ←
16:26:54 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:27:11 <smiles> pgroth: Have we had approval for PROV-XML to go to WD?
Paul Groth: Have we had approval for PROV-XML to go to WD? ←
16:27:14 <smiles> Luc: No not yet
Luc Moreau: No not yet ←
16:27:20 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:27:20 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:27:25 <smiles> Luc: Will review PROV-XML before next Thursday
Luc Moreau: Will review PROV-XML before next Thursday ←
16:27:40 <smiles> Luc: Other reviewers?
Luc Moreau: Other reviewers? ←
16:27:42 <tlebo> I can try...
Timothy Lebo: I can try... ←
16:28:09 <smiles> Reviewers of PROV-XML: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim
Reviewers of PROV-XML: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim ←
16:28:27 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:28:31 <smiles> zednik: Regarding embedding RDFa, are all notes trying to do this?
Stephan Zednik: Regarding embedding RDFa, are all notes trying to do this? ←
16:28:35 <smiles> Luc: Discuss later
Luc Moreau: Discuss later ←
16:28:38 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:28:42 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:29:02 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
16:29:06 <smiles> ivan: For PROV-XML, is there an XSD to publish?
Ivan Herman: For PROV-XML, is there an XSD to publish? ←
16:29:10 <Luc> ack ivan
Luc Moreau: ack ivan ←
16:29:13 <smiles> zednik: Multiple XSD documents
Stephan Zednik: Multiple XSD documents ←
16:29:22 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:29:25 <smiles> ivan: Added to /ns or elsewhere?
Ivan Herman: Added to /ns or elsewhere? ←
16:29:42 <smiles> zednik: Yes, under /ns
Stephan Zednik: Yes, under /ns ←
16:29:55 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:30:03 <smiles> ivan: Prior to publication, need to give me all those files
Ivan Herman: Prior to publication, need to give me all those files ←
16:30:21 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:30:38 <smiles> Luc: Vote next Thursday on WD
Luc Moreau: Vote next Thursday on WD ←
16:31:00 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers
Daniel Garijo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers ←
16:31:12 <smiles> dgarijo: PROV-DC ready for review (and has RDFa embedded) and detailed responses to previous reviews on Wiki
Daniel Garijo: PROV-DC ready for review (and has RDFa embedded) and detailed responses to previous reviews on Wiki ←
16:31:22 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:31:32 <pgroth> +1
Paul Groth: +1 ←
16:31:33 <smiles> Luc: Reviewers for PROV-DC?
Luc Moreau: Reviewers for PROV-DC? ←
16:31:42 <TomDN> I will
Tom De Nies: I will ←
16:31:53 <smiles> Yes
Yes ←
16:31:56 <dgarijo> +q
Daniel Garijo: +q ←
16:31:58 <zednik> I can
Stephan Zednik: I can ←
16:32:29 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-DC: Paul, Simon (check prior review addressed), Tom, Stephan, Luc (check prior review addressed)
Reviewers for PROV-DC: Paul, Simon (check prior review addressed), Tom, Stephan, Luc (check prior review addressed) ←
16:32:54 <smiles> Luc: Feedback on PROV-DC, whether to proceed as WD ahead of next telecon
Luc Moreau: Feedback on PROV-DC, whether to proceed as WD ahead of next telecon ←
16:32:58 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:33:27 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc-directmappings.ttl
Daniel Garijo: http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc-directmappings.ttl ←
16:33:35 <smiles> dgarijo: There are two referenced files external to note, not currently in Mercurial
Daniel Garijo: There are two referenced files external to note, not currently in Mercurial ←
16:33:46 <smiles> ivan: Send them to me
Ivan Herman: Send them to me ←
16:33:53 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:34:01 <Luc> ack dga
Luc Moreau: ack dga ←
16:34:05 <pgroth> ivan owl:sameAs hg
Paul Groth: ivan owl:sameAs hg ←
16:34:22 <smiles> Luc; Same timetable for PROV-SEM?
Luc; Same timetable for PROV-SEM? ←
16:34:37 <tlebo> ivan prov: actedOnBehalfOf hg .
Timothy Lebo: ivan prov: actedOnBehalfOf hg . ←
16:34:51 <tlebo> hg is responsible for Ivan :-)
Timothy Lebo: hg is responsible for Ivan :-) ←
16:35:11 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:35:14 <smiles> jcheney: Achievable to produce FPWD if people willing to spend time checking quality
James Cheney: Achievable to produce FPWD if people willing to spend time checking quality ←
16:35:36 <GK> (I would like to review -SEM, but I'm lacking time due to PROV-AQ commitments)
Graham Klyne: (I would like to review -SEM, but I'm lacking time due to PROV-AQ commitments) ←
16:35:43 <ivan> +1 to Paul
Ivan Herman: +1 to Paul ←
16:35:44 <smiles> pgroth: For PROV-SEM, only FPWD, so don't need to be too picky
Paul Groth: For PROV-SEM, only FPWD, so don't need to be too picky ←
16:35:53 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:36:32 <pgroth> @jcheney that's fine
Paul Groth: @jcheney that's fine ←
16:36:47 <smiles> jcheney: Will have to-dos and sections to complete etc.
James Cheney: Will have to-dos and sections to complete etc. ←
16:36:55 <smiles> Luc: That's fine
Luc Moreau: That's fine ←
16:36:57 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:37:15 <satya> I can review SEM
Satya Sahoo: I can review SEM ←
16:37:23 <smiles> jcheney: Will prepare version to review for Monday
James Cheney: Will prepare version to review for Monday ←
16:37:26 <smiles> I would like to review it
I would like to review it ←
16:37:36 <Paolo> ok that's fine
Paolo Missier: ok that's fine ←
16:37:38 <khalidBelhajjame> I will review Prov-Sem
Khalid Belhajjame: I will review Prov-Sem ←
16:37:56 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-SEM: Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid
Reviewers for PROV-SEM: Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid ←
16:38:05 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:38:08 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:38:15 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:38:15 <smiles> pgroth: Reviewers, be nice :)
Paul Groth: Reviewers, be nice :) ←
16:38:16 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:38:26 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:39:33 <smiles> GK: For PROV-AQ, am somewhat behind; good number of robust reviews since last draft, not all addressed yet
Graham Klyne: For PROV-AQ, am somewhat behind; good number of robust reviews since last draft, not all addressed yet ←
16:40:05 <smiles> ... Some are suggesting useful changes to the technical content, particularly for REST API and Pingback
... Some are suggesting useful changes to the technical content, particularly for REST API and Pingback ←
16:40:20 <smiles> ... Others suggest significant editorial changes
... Others suggest significant editorial changes ←
16:40:52 <smiles> ... Another day or so solid work to get through notes
... Another day or so solid work to get through notes ←
16:41:01 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:41:05 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:41:13 <smiles> ... Hope to complete by next week's telecon, but too late?
... Hope to complete by next week's telecon, but too late? ←
16:41:51 <smiles> pgroth: Already done big round of reviews, and everyone except Stian happy to release as WD
Paul Groth: Already done big round of reviews, and everyone except Stian happy to release as WD ←
16:42:26 <smiles> ... So suggest everyone who submitted review do a quick check of whether OK to go as WD, not any more comprehensive reviews
... So suggest everyone who submitted review do a quick check of whether OK to go as WD, not any more comprehensive reviews ←
16:42:33 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:42:35 <ivan> +1 to Paul
Ivan Herman: +1 to Paul ←
16:42:38 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:42:39 <smiles> GK: Makes sense to me
Graham Klyne: Makes sense to me ←
16:43:26 <smiles> Luc: To smooth process, Stian had blocking issues, so could start conversation with him to see whether those issues addressed in parallel
Luc Moreau: To smooth process, Stian had blocking issues, so could start conversation with him to see whether those issues addressed in parallel ←
16:43:43 <smiles> GK: OK, will do so after making revision from Stian's comments
Graham Klyne: OK, will do so after making revision from Stian's comments ←
16:44:13 <pgroth> thanks GK
Paul Groth: thanks GK ←
16:44:14 <smiles> Luc: Conclusion, new version of PROV-AQ by next telecon; previous reviewers confirm by email that OK to go as WD
Luc Moreau: Conclusion, new version of PROV-AQ by next telecon; previous reviewers confirm by email that OK to go as WD ←
16:44:27 <TomDN> yes we have
Tom De Nies: yes we have ←
16:44:37 <smiles> Luc: Already voted for FPWD of PROV-Dictionary
Luc Moreau: Already voted for FPWD of PROV-Dictionary ←
16:44:37 <TomDN> not staged
Tom De Nies: not staged ←
16:44:42 <TomDN> zakim, unmute me
Tom De Nies: zakim, unmute me ←
16:44:42 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted ←
16:44:46 <smiles> Tom: Not yet staged
Tom De Nies: Not yet staged ←
16:44:56 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:44:58 <dgarijo> +q
Daniel Garijo: +q ←
16:45:03 <smiles> q+
q+ ←
16:45:22 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:45:33 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
16:45:33 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
16:45:43 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:45:52 <smiles> Luc: Resolution for each of other notes (primer, links) at next telecon
Luc Moreau: Resolution for each of other notes (primer, links) at next telecon ←
16:46:01 <smiles> dgarijo: When to stage?
Daniel Garijo: When to stage? ←
16:46:13 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:46:15 <smiles> Luc: After next telecon, by 5 March
Luc Moreau: After next telecon, by 5 March ←
16:46:16 <Luc> ack dg
Luc Moreau: ack dg ←
16:47:42 <smiles> smiles: Another review of primer needed?
Simon Miles: Another review of primer needed? ←
16:47:56 <Luc> ack sm
Luc Moreau: ack sm ←
16:47:59 <smiles> Luc: No, changes were to address specific issues raised
Luc Moreau: No, changes were to address specific issues raised ←
16:48:17 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:48:21 <smiles> ivan: Note that in PR phase, WG will have nothing else to do (but notes)
Ivan Herman: Note that in PR phase, WG will have nothing else to do (but notes) ←
16:48:29 <Luc> topic: embedding prov metadata in the specs
Summary: The group is keen to associate prov metadata with the documents. Given that the Rec-track document had to be finalized by tomorrow, and they can't be changed afterwards, embedding rdfa is practically not possible. Instead the group opted to use the link hasProvenance, as prescribed by the paq, to some url in the prov web space. The url scheme was agreed at the teleconference. This mechanism allows the provenance to be edited till the end of the WG lifetime.
<Luc> Summary: The group is keen to associate prov metadata with the documents. Given that the Rec-track document had to be finalized by tomorrow, and they can't be changed afterwards, embedding rdfa is practically not possible. Instead the group opted to use the link hasProvenance, as prescribed by the paq, to some url in the prov web space. The url scheme was agreed at the teleconference. This mechanism allows the provenance to be edited till the end of the WG lifetime.
16:48:57 <smiles> Luc: With four PR documents, cannot touch any more after tomorrow
Luc Moreau: With four PR documents, cannot touch any more after tomorrow ←
16:49:25 <smiles> ... The PROV metadata we embed is not normative, and can link from HTML documents using PROV-AQ
... The PROV metadata we embed is not normative, and can link from HTML documents using PROV-AQ ←
16:49:44 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:49:49 <smiles> ... Cannot add substantial RDFa to PROV-DM, N, Constraints by tomorrow
... Cannot add substantial RDFa to PROV-DM, N, Constraints by tomorrow ←
16:50:11 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:50:15 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:50:17 <Luc> ack ivan
Luc Moreau: ack ivan ←
16:50:23 <smiles> ivan: Is the idea that the Recommendations themselves only include link to an RDF file somewhere, using RDFa?
Ivan Herman: Is the idea that the Recommendations themselves only include link to an RDF file somewhere, using RDFa? ←
16:50:35 <smiles> Luc: Not even RDFa, HTML link as in PROV-AQ
Luc Moreau: Not even RDFa, HTML link as in PROV-AQ ←
16:50:42 <GK> (PROV-AQ doesn't specify use of RDFa)
Graham Klyne: (PROV-AQ doesn't specify use of RDFa) ←
16:51:13 <tlebo> linking to an RDF file from each spec doc fits with our /ns strategy for prov.owl etc.
Timothy Lebo: linking to an RDF file from each spec doc fits with our /ns strategy for prov.owl etc. ←
16:51:15 <dgarijo> @GK: and the "hasProvenance" pointing to a .ttl file with the rdf statements?
Daniel Garijo: @GK: and the "hasProvenance" pointing to a .ttl file with the rdf statements? ←
16:51:21 <Curt> Keep in mind that this is a pathfinder and we are implicitly recommending that all future W3C documents follow the model of whatever we do now..
Curt Tilmes: Keep in mind that this is a pathfinder and we are implicitly recommending that all future W3C documents follow the model of whatever we do now.. ←
16:51:24 <smiles> ivan: Shouldn't be a problem; so the provenance file itself can be in any serialisation; should not have a URI in the /PR space
Ivan Herman: Shouldn't be a problem; so the provenance file itself can be in any serialisation; should not have a URI in the /PR space ←
16:51:49 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:52:00 <smiles> ... Put as Turtle file somewhere in provenance space, finalise when go to Recommendation
... Put as Turtle file somewhere in provenance space, finalise when go to Recommendation ←
16:52:01 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:52:21 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Ivan's outline
Paul Groth: Agree with Ivan's outline ←
16:53:01 <smiles> ... Also want to have a nice HTML page for our namespace, and that page could have RDFa embedded provenance
... Also want to have a nice HTML page for our namespace, and that page could have RDFa embedded provenance ←
16:53:02 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:53:03 <tlebo> q+ to say each spec's "one link" to an RDF file in "[something like] /ns" makes sense, and fits what we currently do with our OWL files in /ns
Timothy Lebo: q+ to say each spec's "one link" to an RDF file in "[something like] /ns" makes sense, and fits what we currently do with our OWL files in /ns ←
16:53:37 <smiles> ivan: The latter HTML file can be published after Recommendation
Ivan Herman: The latter HTML file can be published after Recommendation ←
16:53:42 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:54:09 <smiles> tlebo: Also support what is currently being discussed
Timothy Lebo: Also support what is currently being discussed ←
16:54:13 <GK> If we use:
Graham Klyne: If we use: ←
16:54:18 <tlebo> q-
Timothy Lebo: q- ←
16:54:24 <GK> (oops… )
Graham Klyne: (oops… ) ←
16:54:26 <tlebo> one for each makes sense.
Timothy Lebo: one for each makes sense. ←
16:54:36 <tlebo> the "single file for all" is the /ns's index page.
Timothy Lebo: the "single file for all" is the /ns's index page. ←
16:54:37 <smiles> Luc: Are we going for 1 provenance file for each spec, or one for all?
Luc Moreau: Are we going for 1 provenance file for each spec, or one for all? ←
16:54:41 <tlebo> @luc both
Timothy Lebo: @luc both ←
16:54:49 <tlebo> both :-)
Timothy Lebo: both :-) ←
16:54:51 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:55:11 <dgarijo> then we are going to drop the rdf-a annotation embedded in the specs?
Daniel Garijo: then we are going to drop the rdf-a annotation embedded in the specs? ←
16:55:23 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:55:23 <smiles> GK: One provenance file could include information about multiple dated releases
Graham Klyne: One provenance file could include information about multiple dated releases ←
16:55:38 <dgarijo> @pgroth: +1
Daniel Garijo: @pgroth: +1 ←
16:56:03 <smiles> pgroth: Suggest each specification link to its own provenance file, and then when produce /ns HTML page, that can point to all these files
Paul Groth: Suggest each specification link to its own provenance file, and then when produce /ns HTML page, that can point to all these files ←
16:56:05 <tlebo> @dgarijo you could RDFa-ize the prov:hasProvenance link to the "one provenance file" analogous to the html link link.
Timothy Lebo: @dgarijo you could RDFa-ize the prov:hasProvenance link to the "one provenance file" analogous to the html link link. ←
16:56:15 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:56:29 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
16:56:38 <tlebo> +1 pgroth to reference/union the "each prov file per spec" into the /ns index page.
Timothy Lebo: +1 pgroth to reference/union the "each prov file per spec" into the /ns index page. ←
16:56:39 <dgarijo> @tim: I have already embedded rdf-a in the note. Would I have to drop it then? :(
Daniel Garijo: @tim: I have already embedded rdf-a in the note. Would I have to drop it then? :( ←
16:56:41 <smiles> Luc: If we are to freeze Recommendations by tomorrow, need to freeze that URL now?
Luc Moreau: If we are to freeze Recommendations by tomorrow, need to freeze that URL now? ←
16:56:44 <smiles> ivan: Yes
Ivan Herman: Yes ←
16:56:57 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:57:03 <tlebo> @dgarijo you can leave it, there'd just be different provenance of the provenance :-)
Timothy Lebo: @dgarijo you can leave it, there'd just be different provenance of the provenance :-) ←
16:57:03 <smiles> Luc: What is the provenance W3C space?
Luc Moreau: What is the provenance W3C space? ←
16:57:19 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ as stem of URI?
Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ as stem of URI? ←
16:57:21 <dgarijo> @tlebo: :)
Daniel Garijo: @tlebo: :) ←
16:58:03 <tlebo> +1 to determining the targetURIs of our provenance files.
Timothy Lebo: +1 to determining the targetURIs of our provenance files. ←
16:58:16 <Luc> so, would it be http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl as the file for prov-dm?
Luc Moreau: so, would it be http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl as the file for prov-dm? ←
16:58:35 <tlebo> q+ to verify that we must finalize the targetURIs by the end of the WG, right?
Timothy Lebo: q+ to verify that we must finalize the targetURIs by the end of the WG, right? ←
16:58:40 <GK> curl -i -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/
Graham Klyne: curl -i -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ ←
16:58:47 <tlebo> (finalize the CONTENTS of the targetURIs)
Timothy Lebo: (finalize the CONTENTS of the targetURIs) ←
16:58:49 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:59:29 <pgroth> not target uris
Paul Groth: not target uris ←
16:59:40 <smiles> tlebo: For each note and spec, we will include one link to a file, finalised contents of these by Recommendations?
Timothy Lebo: For each note and spec, we will include one link to a file, finalised contents of these by Recommendations? ←
16:59:54 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
17:00:01 <smiles> ivan: Yes
Ivan Herman: Yes ←
17:00:02 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
17:00:04 <tlebo> q-
Timothy Lebo: q- ←
17:00:05 <Luc> ack tl
Luc Moreau: ack tl ←
17:00:06 <GK> @ivan no redirect for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance
Graham Klyne: @ivan no redirect for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance ←
17:00:13 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
17:00:17 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/test.txt
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/test.txt ←
17:00:26 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
17:00:30 <smiles> ivan: Can you see the file above?
Ivan Herman: Can you see the file above? ←
17:00:34 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a] ←
17:00:35 <smiles> Luc: yes
Luc Moreau: yes ←
17:00:56 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
17:01:10 <Luc> can you redirect for now to mercurial?
Luc Moreau: can you redirect for now to mercurial? ←
17:01:12 <pgroth> no
Paul Groth: no ←
17:01:15 <smiles> ivan: So we can put files in that directory
Ivan Herman: So we can put files in that directory ←
17:01:20 <pgroth> but we can manage this later
Paul Groth: but we can manage this later ←
17:01:44 <smiles> ivan: For the moment, I will have to push these files onto the website
Ivan Herman: For the moment, I will have to push these files onto the website ←
17:02:09 <GK> Can we set up an .htaccess redirect to mercurial?
Graham Klyne: Can we set up an .htaccess redirect to mercurial? ←
17:02:23 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes ←
17:02:25 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, can you put links to Mercurial in that directory, so we can edit the files?
Luc Moreau: Ivan, can you put links to Mercurial in that directory, so we can edit the files? ←
17:02:31 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aacc ←
17:02:52 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl ←
17:02:55 <tlebo> +1 to building the prov-dm.prov in hg, redirect until publishing FR, and copy into CVS when we publish FR.
Timothy Lebo: +1 to building the prov-dm.prov in hg, redirect until publishing FR, and copy into CVS when we publish FR. ←
17:03:17 <smiles> Luc: Will URL for PROV-DM provenance file be that above?
Luc Moreau: Will URL for PROV-DM provenance file be that above? ←
17:03:27 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl ??
Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl ?? ←
17:03:31 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm (no extension) with conneg to the serialization
Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm (no extension) with conneg to the serialization ←
17:03:52 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm ←
17:03:54 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
17:03:55 <dgarijo> prov-dm-prov? :D
Daniel Garijo: prov-dm-prov? :D ←
17:04:17 <TomDN> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
Tom De Nies: +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm ←
17:04:26 <GK> +1 drop .ttl
Graham Klyne: +1 drop .ttl ←
17:04:37 <tlebo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
Timothy Lebo: +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm ←
17:04:40 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Tim that drop file extension and have content negotiation and add /provenance/ subdirectory
Paul Groth: Agree with Tim that drop file extension and have content negotiation and add /provenance/ subdirectory ←
17:04:49 <dgarijo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
Daniel Garijo: +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm ←
17:05:01 <smiles> Luc: Works well, can point to Mercurial directory /provenance
Luc Moreau: Works well, can point to Mercurial directory /provenance ←
17:05:34 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
17:05:39 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
17:05:40 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
17:05:41 <tlebo> can we put the provenance files in the exsisting 'ontology', 'model" directory?
Timothy Lebo: can we put the provenance files in the exsisting 'ontology', 'model" directory? ←
17:05:48 <Luc> Topic: prov-aq
Summary: it was now time to conclude the teleconference. The PAQ editors accordingly to plan in "Notes" agenda item.
<luc>Summary: it was now time to conclude the teleconference. The PAQ editors accordingly to plan in "Notes" agenda item.
17:06:19 <GK> FWIW, I'm happy to
Graham Klyne: FWIW, I'm happy to ←
17:06:41 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
17:06:41 <GK> … to push ahead with edits then discuss when available.
Graham Klyne: … to push ahead with edits then discuss when available. ←
17:06:47 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo ←
17:06:49 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
17:06:57 <smiles> pgroth: Discussions we need to have on PROV-AQ are elaborate, and given earlier agreement, so delay to next week
Paul Groth: Discussions we need to have on PROV-AQ are elaborate, and given earlier agreement, so delay to next week ←
17:07:19 <smiles> Luc: Next week, vote on release all documents (except PROV-AQ by email)
Luc Moreau: Next week, vote on release all documents (except PROV-AQ by email) ←
17:07:20 <TomDN> bye!
Tom De Nies: bye! ←
17:07:20 <khalidBelhajjame> bye
Khalid Belhajjame: bye ←
17:07:21 <Zakim> -tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo ←
17:07:22 <dgarijo> bbye
Daniel Garijo: bbye ←
17:07:23 <GK> Bye
Graham Klyne: Bye ←
17:07:24 <SamCoppens> Bye!
Sam Coppens: Bye! ←
17:07:25 <smiles> OK, thanks
OK, thanks ←
17:07:26 <Zakim> -TomDN
Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN ←
17:07:26 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
17:07:27 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidBelhajjame ←
17:07:27 <Zakim> -ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ivan ←
17:07:28 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
17:07:28 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
17:07:29 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
17:07:29 <Zakim> -jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney ←
17:07:32 <Zakim> -smiles
Zakim IRC Bot: -smiles ←
17:07:35 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
17:07:49 <Zakim> -GK
Zakim IRC Bot: -GK ←
17:07:50 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended ←
17:07:50 <Zakim> Attendees were smiles, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed, [IPcaller], +1.315.330.aabb, tlebo, GK, ivan, +1.818.731.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, TomDN, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, jcheney, SamCoppens
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were smiles, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed, [IPcaller], +1.315.330.aabb, tlebo, GK, ivan, +1.818.731.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, TomDN, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, jcheney, SamCoppens ←
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