Minutes were approved
Outstanding actions were stepped through. Most were complete.
The editors of the recommendation track documents were congratulated on making their documents available in-time to send the request for candidate recommendation. Jun was also thanked for putting together the response to the Organization Ontology
Paul went over the PROV-Overview. There was no objection for releasing the document as FPWD from email reviews. Paul agreed to make the suggested changes before staging the document next week. The group voted to make prov-overview a first public working draft. The timetable for staging and publication request was reviewed again. All note editors agreed they could make this time.
Luc went over the feedback on PROV-Links. Graham noted he had several comments but these were not blocking and he would try to get them before Friday. The group voted to release PROV-Links as a first public working draft.
Daniel went over the current status of PROV-DC. He is working through all the reviews. Luc felt that his issue to do with constraints in the document needed to be addressed before publication as a draft. Daniel agreed to focus on that issue and place marking notices for other outstanding issues. The group voted to release PROV-DC as a first public working draft.
Stephan went over the current status of the implementation survey. The group discussed the benefits and disadvantages of using the W3C WBS system for the questionnaire. The group felt that the benefits outweighed the disadvantages and would continue on this track.
Dong updated the status of the constraints document. Additional test cases have been added as well as a coverage appendix. Goal is to now work on making the introduction to the document more accessible to developers. The naming convention was now fixed. Stian suggested to add the serialization used to the response submissions, Dong agreed.
The primer is staged and ready to go except for perhaps a change in the figure colors. Likewise, xml is staged as well incorporating all feedback from the F2F meeting. The group then discussed the issue of multiple XML schemas for each note. It was unclear if this was possible using the same namespace as with the OWL ontologies. The group agreed to investigate further.
15:56:31 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-prov-irc
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15:56:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:56:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:56:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started ←
15:56:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:56:36 <trackbot> Date: 29 November 2012
15:56:51 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.29
15:57:04 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
15:57:13 <pgroth> Scribe: Curt Tilmes
(Scribe set to Curt Tilmes)
15:57:18 <pgroth> Regrets: Paolo Missier, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman
15:57:30 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:58:22 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes
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15:59:42 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on the call?
Paul Groth: Zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:59:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller], Curt_Tilmes ←
15:59:53 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
15:59:53 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
16:00:10 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.238.059.aaaa ←
16:00:25 <Luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me
Luc Moreau: zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me ←
16:00:25 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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16:00:38 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
16:00:49 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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16:00:55 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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16:00:55 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
16:00:57 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
16:00:57 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
16:00:58 <smiles> zakim, ??P13 is me
Simon Miles: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
16:00:58 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it ←
16:01:07 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
Summary: Minutes were approved
<pgroth> Summary: Minutes were approved
16:01:14 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-22
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-22 ←
16:01:20 <pgroth> Minutes of Nov. 22, 2012
Paul Groth: Minutes of Nov. 22, 2012 ←
16:01:28 <Curt> 0 (not present)
0 (not present) ←
16:01:36 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
16:01:38 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: PROV WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.29
Ted Thibodeau: MacTed has changed the topic to: PROV WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.29 ←
16:01:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:01:53 <Zakim> + +1.315.330.aabb
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16:02:19 <pgroth> Accepted: Minutes of Nov. 22, 2012 telcon
RESOLVED: Minutes of Nov. 22, 2012 telcon ←
16:02:41 <Curt> pgroth: open action items
Paul Groth: open action items ←
16:02:46 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
16:02:50 <Zakim> +SamCoppens
Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens ←
16:03:03 <GK> zakim, ??P19 is me
Graham Klyne: zakim, ??P19 is me ←
16:03:03 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
16:03:32 <pgroth> Topic Congratulations
Paul Groth: Topic Congratulations ←
16:03:33 <Curt> pgroth: action 153 should be complete -- will double check
Paul Groth: ACTION-153 should be complete -- will double check ←
16:03:35 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:03:47 <Curt> pgroth: request for transition to CR sent out
Paul Groth: request for transition to CR sent out ←
16:04:40 <pgroth> Topic: Actions
Summary: Outstanding actions were stepped through. Most were complete.
<pgroth> Summary: Outstanding actions were stepped through. Most were complete.
16:05:04 <Luc> it's for december
Luc Moreau: it's for december ←
16:05:04 <Zakim> +??P9
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16:05:07 <Curt> tlebo: 116 -- haven't done yet, will soon
Timothy Lebo: 116 -- haven't done yet, will soon ←
16:05:14 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P9 is me
Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←
16:05:14 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
16:05:29 <pgroth> close Action-128
Paul Groth: close ACTION-128 ←
16:05:30 <trackbot> ACTION-128 Add a statement on informative and normative in prov-o closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-128 Add a statement on informative and normative in prov-o closed ←
16:05:38 <Zakim> +Luc.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc.a ←
16:05:45 <pgroth> close action-129
Paul Groth: close ACTION-129 ←
16:05:46 <trackbot> ACTION-129 Editor check prov-o closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-129 Editor check prov-o closed ←
16:05:47 <TomDN> Zakim, TomDN is with SamCoppens
Tom De Nies: Zakim, TomDN is with SamCoppens ←
16:05:47 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it ←
16:05:56 <Curt> pgroth: action 122 still open, complete by next week
Paul Groth: ACTION-122 still open, complete by next week ←
16:06:03 <Zakim> +jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney ←
16:06:06 <pgroth> close action-133
Paul Groth: close ACTION-133 ←
16:06:06 <trackbot> ACTION-133 Draft a first one page overview closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-133 Draft a first one page overview closed ←
16:07:00 <Curt> SamCoppens: action 134, timetable for prov-dictionary has been proposed
Sam Coppens: ACTION-134, timetable for prov-dictionary has been proposed ←
16:07:17 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dictionary.html
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dictionary.html ←
16:07:40 <Luc> we said we would do an "internal" release
Luc Moreau: we said we would do an "internal" release ←
16:07:41 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:07:45 <pgroth> ace Luc
Paul Groth: ace Luc ←
16:07:51 <Luc> q-
Luc Moreau: q- ←
16:07:56 <Curt> pgroth: after dec 14, there is a moratorium until after xmas -- then we can release prov-dict FPWD
Paul Groth: after dec 14, there is a moratorium until after xmas -- then we can release prov-dict FPWD ←
16:08:13 <pgroth> close action-134
Paul Groth: close ACTION-134 ←
16:08:13 <trackbot> ACTION-134 draft a timetable for prov-dictionary for the next teleconference closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-134 draft a timetable for prov-dictionary for the next teleconference closed ←
16:08:22 <pgroth> close action-135
Paul Groth: close ACTION-135 ←
16:08:22 <trackbot> ACTION-135 Create a mention of document closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-135 Create a mention of document closed ←
16:08:24 <Luc> @Sam, did you see the current draft for dictionary
Luc Moreau: @Sam, did you see the current draft for dictionary ←
16:08:45 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo ←
16:08:47 <TomDN> yes, we did, thanks Luc
Tom De Nies: yes, we did, thanks Luc ←
16:08:52 <Curt> pgroth: 3 actions on stephan on questionnaire will discuss later
Paul Groth: 3 actions on stephan on questionnaire will discuss later ←
16:08:59 <Luc> @Tom, great!
Luc Moreau: @Tom, great! ←
16:09:01 <TomDN> Good place to start :)
Tom De Nies: Good place to start :) ←
16:09:14 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:09:25 <pgroth> Topic: Congratulations
Summary: The editors of the recommendation track documents were congratulated on making their documents available in-time to send the request for candidate recommendation. Jun was also thanked for putting together the response to the Organization Ontology
<pgroth> Summary: The editors of the recommendation track documents were congratulated on making their documents available in-time to send the request for candidate recommendation. Jun was also thanked for putting together the response to the Organization Ontology
16:09:32 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Nov/0295.html
Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Nov/0295.html ←
16:09:58 <Luc> @Tom, you may want to move this document into a separate directory in hg
Luc Moreau: @Tom, you may want to move this document into a separate directory in hg ←
16:10:16 <TomDN> @Luc: ok, will do
Tom De Nies: @Luc: ok, will do ←
16:10:20 <Luc> PROV WG is in good company, HTML5 went CR at same time as us
Luc Moreau: PROV WG is in good company, HTML5 went CR at same time as us ←
16:10:27 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:11:03 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:11:15 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Overview
Summary: Paul went over the PROV-Overview. There was no objection for releasing the document as FPWD from email reviews. Paul agreed to make the suggested changes before staging the document next week. The group voted to make prov-overview a first public working draft. The timetable for staging and publication request was reviewed again. All note editors agreed they could make this time.
<pgroth> Summary: Paul went over the PROV-Overview. There was no objection for releasing the document as FPWD from email reviews. Paul agreed to make the suggested changes before staging the document next week. The group voted to make prov-overview a first public working draft. The timetable for staging and publication request was reviewed again. All note editors agreed they could make this time.
16:11:22 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/overview/overview.html
Paul Groth: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/overview/overview.html ←
16:11:38 <Curt> pgroth: special thanks to editors of standards and Jun for org ont feedback
Paul Groth: special thanks to editors of standards and Jun for org ont feedback ←
16:11:49 <GK> Jun say's she's received offline ack of org ontology feedback
Graham Klyne: Jun say's she's received offline ack of org ontology feedback ←
16:12:13 <Curt> pgroth: small PROV-Overview for intro to PROV
Paul Groth: small PROV-Overview for intro to PROV ←
16:12:17 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute me
Sam Coppens: zakim, mute me ←
16:12:17 <Zakim> SamCoppens should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: SamCoppens should now be muted ←
16:12:43 <Curt> pgroth: feedback from khalid, paolo, one other, minor changes, concerns about picture, all approved going to FPWD
Paul Groth: feedback from khalid, paolo, one other, minor changes, concerns about picture, all approved going to FPWD ←
16:12:44 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:12:47 <smiles> I read it through and seemed good
Simon Miles: I read it through and seemed good ←
16:13:10 <dgarijo> @curt: the other was me
Daniel Garijo: @curt: the other was me ←
16:13:15 <pgroth> proposed: release of PROV-Overview as a FPWD
PROPOSED: release of PROV-Overview as a FPWD ←
16:13:20 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:13:21 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:13:22 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
16:13:24 <Curt> +1
+1 ←
16:13:25 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:13:28 <Dong> +1
Trung Huynh: +1 ←
16:13:28 <TomDN> +1
Tom De Nies: +1 ←
16:13:30 <jun> +1
16:13:30 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:13:32 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:13:34 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
16:13:41 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
16:13:52 <pgroth> accepted: release of PROV-Overview as a FPWD
RESOLVED: release of PROV-Overview as a FPWD ←
16:14:11 <Curt> pgroth: will add recommended changes next week
Paul Groth: will add recommended changes next week ←
16:14:16 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:14:26 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:14:49 <Curt> pgroth: timetable to release discussed last week
Paul Groth: timetable to release discussed last week ←
16:14:53 <Luc> Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th. Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th.
Luc Moreau: Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th. Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th. ←
16:16:56 <Curt> Luc: many documents being released, we would like to go by the 4th noon
Luc Moreau: many documents being released, we would like to go by the 4th noon ←
16:17:16 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:17:20 <dgarijo> very clear
Daniel Garijo: very clear ←
16:17:20 <GK> Plan fopr PROV-AQ?
Graham Klyne: Plan fopr PROV-AQ? ←
16:17:25 <smiles> Yes
Simon Miles: Yes ←
16:17:57 <GK> OK.
Graham Klyne: OK. ←
16:18:01 <Curt> pgroth: postponing PROV-AQ for now for review
Paul Groth: postponing PROV-AQ for now for review ←
16:18:01 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:18:09 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Links
Summary: Luc went over the feedback on PROV-Links. Graham noted he had several comments but these were not blocking and he would try to get them before Friday. The group voted to release PROV-Links as a first public working draft.
<pgroth> Summary: Luc went over the feedback on PROV-Links. Graham noted he had several comments but these were not blocking and he would try to get them before Friday. The group voted to release PROV-Links as a first public working draft.
16:18:24 <pgroth> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/links/prov-links.html
Paul Groth: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/links/prov-links.html ←
16:18:57 <Curt> Luc: extracted text from mention from PROV-DM, N, CONSTRAINTS, O, XML and added the intro, editted into a note
Luc Moreau: extracted text from mention from PROV-DM, N, CONSTRAINTS, O, XML and added the intro, editted into a note ←
16:19:08 <Curt> Luc: paolo reviewed and recommended release
Luc Moreau: paolo reviewed and recommended release ←
16:19:18 <smiles> I skimmed it, and it looked fine to me
Simon Miles: I skimmed it, and it looked fine to me ←
16:19:25 <jcheney> q+ to ask a pedantic question
James Cheney: q+ to ask a pedantic question ←
16:19:25 <GK> q+ to say I've reviewed links docs, have some issues with a couple of points but not fatal
Graham Klyne: q+ to say I've reviewed links docs, have some issues with a couple of points but not fatal ←
16:19:26 <Curt> Luc: Curt pointed out a typo, recommended releasse
Luc Moreau: Curt pointed out a typo, recommended releasse ←
16:19:36 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
16:19:36 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to say I've reviewed links docs, have some issues with a couple of points but not fatal
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to say I've reviewed links docs, have some issues with a couple of points but not fatal ←
16:19:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
16:20:13 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
Jun Zhao: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me ←
16:20:13 <Zakim> +jun; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it ←
16:20:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
16:20:17 <Curt> GK: have read the document, I have significant comments I will write up, but ok to release as a draft
Graham Klyne: have read the document, I have significant comments I will write up, but ok to release as a draft ←
16:20:30 <pgroth> ack jcheney
Paul Groth: ack jcheney ←
16:20:30 <Zakim> jcheney, you wanted to ask a pedantic question
Zakim IRC Bot: jcheney, you wanted to ask a pedantic question ←
16:20:31 <Curt> GK: will write up and send after this call
Graham Klyne: will write up and send after this call ←
16:20:56 <Curt> jcheney: as a note, it should only have informative references
James Cheney: as a note, it should only have informative references ←
16:21:04 <smiles> q+
Simon Miles: q+ ←
16:21:11 <pgroth> ack smiles
Paul Groth: ack smiles ←
16:21:11 <Curt> Luc: right, will fix
Luc Moreau: right, will fix ←
16:21:38 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:21:49 <pgroth> proposed: Release of PROV-Links as a FPWD
PROPOSED: Release of PROV-Links as a FPWD ←
16:21:58 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
16:21:59 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:21:59 <Curt> +1
+1 ←
16:22:03 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:22:03 <stain> +1
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ←
16:22:10 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:22:10 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
16:22:10 <Dong> +1
Trung Huynh: +1 ←
16:22:14 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
16:22:18 <TomDN> +1
Tom De Nies: +1 ←
16:22:20 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:22:33 <pgroth> accepted: release of PROV-Links as a FPWD
RESOLVED: release of PROV-Links as a FPWD ←
16:22:42 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-DC
Summary: Daniel went over the current status of PROV-DC. He is working through all the reviews. Luc felt that his issue to do with constraints in the document needed to be addressed before publication as a draft. Daniel agreed to focus on that issue and place marking notices for other outstanding issues. The group voted to release PROV-DC as a first public working draft.
<pgroth> Summary: Daniel went over the current status of PROV-DC. He is working through all the reviews. Luc felt that his issue to do with constraints in the document needed to be addressed before publication as a draft. Daniel agreed to focus on that issue and place marking notices for other outstanding issues. The group voted to release PROV-DC as a first public working draft.
16:22:46 <stain> quick Q: would the XML bit work as an extension to PROV-XML when it is using the same namespace?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: quick Q: would the XML bit work as an extension to PROV-XML when it is using the same namespace? ←
16:22:56 <pgroth> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dc-note/Overview.html
Paul Groth: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dc-note/Overview.html ←
16:23:00 <Curt> dgarijo: reviews from craig, luc, simon
Daniel Garijo: reviews from craig, luc, simon ←
16:23:12 <Curt> dgarijo: haven't discussed with kai (?) yet
Daniel Garijo: haven't discussed with kai (?) yet ←
16:23:46 <Curt> dgarijo: will contact him and discuss and ready by next tuesday
Daniel Garijo: will contact him and discuss and ready by next tuesday ←
16:23:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa] ←
16:24:02 <SamCoppens1> +1 fro release of PROV-links (just got disconnected when voting)
Sam Coppens: +1 fro release of PROV-links (just got disconnected when voting) ←
16:24:09 <GK> @stian hopefully the PROV-XML spec will have extension points that can be "colonized" by the links/mention elements. Haven't actually looked, though.
Graham Klyne: @stian hopefully the PROV-XML spec will have extension points that can be "colonized" by the links/mention elements. Haven't actually looked, though. ←
16:24:11 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me ←
16:24:11 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidBelhajjame; got it ←
16:24:37 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:24:38 <Curt> pgroth: are the changes blockers to FPWD?
Paul Groth: are the changes blockers to FPWD? ←
16:24:42 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:24:58 <dgarijo> YES, I'll do that today
Daniel Garijo: YES, I'll do that today ←
16:25:03 <dgarijo> thanks, Simon
Daniel Garijo: thanks, Simon ←
16:25:04 <Curt> dgarijo: no, some references need to fix, actual content no blockers
Daniel Garijo: no, some references need to fix, actual content no blockers ←
16:25:08 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:25:33 <GK> @smiles … you can include Luc's references quite easily - I've done that for PROV-AQ; it's quite easy
Graham Klyne: @smiles … you can include Luc's references quite easily - I've done that for PROV-AQ; it's quite easy ←
16:25:59 <dgarijo> +q
Daniel Garijo: +q ←
16:26:07 <Curt> Luc: the example for figure 2 was valid, not invalid as document indicated -- must be fixed to clarify constraints
Luc Moreau: the example for figure 2 was valid, not invalid as document indicated -- must be fixed to clarify constraints ←
16:26:50 <Curt> dgarijo: correct, I need to fix that, will work on that before week-end
Daniel Garijo: correct, I need to fix that, will work on that before week-end ←
16:27:28 <Curt> pgroth: add a box noting some sections are still under discussion prior to draft
Paul Groth: add a box noting some sections are still under discussion prior to draft ←
16:27:33 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:27:35 <pgroth> ack dgarijo
Paul Groth: ack dgarijo ←
16:27:45 <Curt> pgroth: but should fix the constraint now
Paul Groth: but should fix the constraint now ←
16:27:51 <pgroth> proposed: Release of PROV-DC as a FPWD
PROPOSED: Release of PROV-DC as a FPWD ←
16:27:57 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
16:27:58 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:27:58 <TomDN> +1
Tom De Nies: +1 ←
16:27:59 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:27:59 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
16:27:59 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:28:00 <SamCoppens1> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:28:01 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:28:01 <stain> +1
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ←
16:28:06 <Curt> +1
+1 ←
16:28:21 <pgroth> accepted: Release of PROV-DC as a FPWD
RESOLVED: Release of PROV-DC as a FPWD ←
16:28:37 <Curt> pgroth: all notes should be ready before next tuesday
Paul Groth: all notes should be ready before next tuesday ←
16:28:46 <pgroth> Topic: Implementation Questionnaire
Summary: Stephan went over the current status of the implementation survey. The group discussed the benefits and disadvantages of using the W3C WBS system for the questionnaire. The group felt that the benefits outweighed the disadvantages and would continue on this track.
<pgroth> Summary: Stephan went over the current status of the implementation survey. The group discussed the benefits and disadvantages of using the W3C WBS system for the questionnaire. The group felt that the benefits outweighed the disadvantages and would continue on this track.
16:29:04 <zednik> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/prov-implementation-survey
Stephan Zednik: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/prov-implementation-survey ←
16:29:06 <stain> Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me ←
16:29:06 <Zakim> +stain; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +stain; got it ←
16:29:06 <Curt> zednik: looked at WBS to host survey
Stephan Zednik: looked at WBS to host survey ←
16:29:49 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:29:49 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:29:51 <Curt> zednik: have implemented implementation questionnaire -- need feedback
Stephan Zednik: have implemented implementation questionnaire -- need feedback ←
16:29:53 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:30:15 <Curt> Luc: can 1 individual submit multiple implementation reports
Luc Moreau: can 1 individual submit multiple implementation reports ←
16:30:48 <Curt> zednik: you can do it by logging in with multiple email addresses, otherwise it retrieves your old report
Stephan Zednik: you can do it by logging in with multiple email addresses, otherwise it retrieves your old report ←
16:30:53 <Curt> (that's a kludge)
(that's a kludge) ←
16:31:12 <stain> perhaps you can do the + trick for making additional email addresses.. for instance: stian@s11.no, stian+anotherone@s11.no, stian+blah@s11.no
Stian Soiland-Reyes: perhaps you can do the + trick for making additional email addresses.. for instance: stian@s11.no, stian+anotherone@s11.no, stian+blah@s11.no ←
16:31:45 <Curt> pgroth: some questions are awkward to ask with WBS
Paul Groth: some questions are awkward to ask with WBS ←
16:32:53 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:32:55 <Curt> pgroth: should we pursue with WBS given the issues?
Paul Groth: should we pursue with WBS given the issues? ←
16:33:00 <Luc> the good think is that we see all questions that are being asked
Luc Moreau: the good think is that we see all questions that are being asked ←
16:33:06 <Luc> the good thing is that we see all questions that are being asked
Luc Moreau: the good thing is that we see all questions that are being asked ←
16:33:23 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:34:11 <Curt> Luc: I understand the issues, they're awkward, but acceptable -- what do you recommend?
Luc Moreau: I understand the issues, they're awkward, but acceptable -- what do you recommend? ←
16:34:26 <Luc> +1
Luc Moreau: +1 ←
16:34:33 <Curt> pgroth: I think WBS is a bit better than google docs, can return and continue editting
Paul Groth: I think WBS is a bit better than google docs, can return and continue editting ←
16:34:57 <Curt> pgroth: most respondents will already have a W3C account, tallying is nice, on W3C site is good
Paul Groth: most respondents will already have a W3C account, tallying is nice, on W3C site is good ←
16:34:58 <tlebo> returning to the survey is +100. It's reassuring for a tentative implementer.
Timothy Lebo: returning to the survey is +100. It's reassuring for a tentative implementer. ←
16:35:34 <Curt> pgroth: a little annoying with multiple implementations, (e.g. vocabulary + application), but those
Paul Groth: a little annoying with multiple implementations, (e.g. vocabulary + application), but those ←
16:35:48 <Curt> pgroth: are already separate questionnaires
Paul Groth: are already separate questionnaires ←
16:35:58 <stain> Feature Coverage" should have some more details about using the +++ ratings for different feature level. Add "Indicate covered features by selecting one of the following in the dropdown lists"
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Feature Coverage" should have some more details about using the +++ ratings for different feature level. Add "Indicate covered features by selecting one of the following in the dropdown lists" ←
16:36:01 <Curt> pgroth: could easily work around the multiple email issue
Paul Groth: could easily work around the multiple email issue ←
16:36:40 <Curt> zednik: very nice to be able to come back to it, email in responses works too, a lot of advantages, some awkwardness in questions, but we can cope with it
Stephan Zednik: very nice to be able to come back to it, email in responses works too, a lot of advantages, some awkwardness in questions, but we can cope with it ←
16:36:56 <Curt> zednik: reporting is nice, haven't seen in detail yet
Stephan Zednik: reporting is nice, haven't seen in detail yet ←
16:37:11 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:37:14 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:37:25 <stain> oh hang on, I can fix it myself. Done!
Stian Soiland-Reyes: oh hang on, I can fix it myself. Done! ←
16:37:46 <tlebo> @stian ;-)
Timothy Lebo: @stian ;-) ←
16:37:47 <zednik> text version of the questionnaire: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/prov-implementation-survey/text
Stephan Zednik: text version of the questionnaire: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/prov-implementation-survey/text ←
16:37:50 <Curt> pgroth: it may be easier in putting together the implementation report -- can refer to these results
Paul Groth: it may be easier in putting together the implementation report -- can refer to these results ←
16:37:52 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:38:00 <Luc> Stephan and Paul, thanks for doing this!
Luc Moreau: Stephan and Paul, thanks for doing this! ←
16:38:09 <pgroth> Topic: Constraints Test cases
Summary: Dong updated the status of the constraints document. Additional test cases have been added as well as a coverage appendix. Goal is to now work on making the introduction to the document more accessible to developers. The naming convention was now fixed. Stian suggested to add the serialization used to the response submissions, Dong agreed.
<pgroth> Summary: Dong updated the status of the constraints document. Additional test cases have been added as well as a coverage appendix. Goal is to now work on making the introduction to the document more accessible to developers. The naming convention was now fixed. Stian suggested to add the serialization used to the response submissions, Dong agreed.
16:38:31 <pgroth> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html
Paul Groth: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html ←
16:38:31 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html
Trung Huynh: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html ←
16:39:27 <Curt> Dong: lots of test cases, examples from documents, a table in the doc describes coverage by test cases
Trung Huynh: lots of test cases, examples from documents, a table in the doc describes coverage by test cases ←
16:39:46 <Curt> Dong: can do gap analysis to figure out which we still need
Trung Huynh: can do gap analysis to figure out which we still need ←
16:40:09 <Luc> @zednik, is it possible to change the URL and have them point to the date urls for the CR documents? also, can we have links for everything?
Luc Moreau: @zednik, is it possible to change the URL and have them point to the date urls for the CR documents? also, can we have links for everything? ←
16:40:12 <Curt> Dong: I've done categorization, but could use help with that
Trung Huynh: I've done categorization, but could use help with that ←
16:40:31 <Curt> pgroth: several comments online about doc organization
Paul Groth: several comments online about doc organization ←
16:40:56 <Luc> @Dong, same comment as for Stephan, we need to use urls to CR documents
Luc Moreau: @Dong, same comment as for Stephan, we need to use urls to CR documents ←
16:40:58 <Curt> Dong: Haven't revised doc yet, plan is to restructure doc for implementors
Trung Huynh: Haven't revised doc yet, plan is to restructure doc for implementors ←
16:41:11 <Curt> Dong: will do that very soon
Trung Huynh: will do that very soon ←
16:41:26 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:41:29 <stain> q+
Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+ ←
16:41:32 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:41:56 <Curt> Luc: table for coverage, is it complete?
Luc Moreau: table for coverage, is it complete? ←
16:42:12 <Curt> Dong: we cover all constraints, but some only pass, not fail yet
Trung Huynh: we cover all constraints, but some only pass, not fail yet ←
16:42:13 <zednik> @Luc, is your question concerning the links in the Feature Coverage question? If so, yes. I will need to determine the best link anchor for the Person, Organization, etc.
Stephan Zednik: @Luc, is your question concerning the links in the Feature Coverage question? If so, yes. I will need to determine the best link anchor for the Person, Organization, etc. ←
16:42:50 <pgroth> ack stain
Paul Groth: ack stain ←
16:43:23 <Curt> stain: it says the implementation can use the representation to test the constraint -- would be good to know which representation was used for each case
Stian Soiland-Reyes: it says the implementation can use the representation to test the constraint -- would be good to know which representation was used for each case ←
16:44:09 <Curt> Dong: good idea -- would be good to have representations equivalent, but in some cases that may not be perfect. That is doable, we'll add that to the cases and extract into the repot
Trung Huynh: good idea -- would be good to have representations equivalent, but in some cases that may not be perfect. That is doable, we'll add that to the cases and extract into the repot ←
16:44:12 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:44:25 <Curt> pgroth: have we decided on the test case naming convention?
Paul Groth: have we decided on the test case naming convention? ←
16:45:04 <Curt> Dong: arbitrary name + pass/fail + constraint number
Trung Huynh: arbitrary name + pass/fail + constraint number ←
16:45:34 <Curt> pgroth: other two tables from PROV-O examples / test cases, those don't have constraint numbers
Paul Groth: other two tables from PROV-O examples / test cases, those don't have constraint numbers ←
16:45:58 <Curt> Dong: yes, they are complex and cover multiple constraints, they aren't unit tests, but they should still pass the validator
Trung Huynh: yes, they are complex and cover multiple constraints, they aren't unit tests, but they should still pass the validator ←
16:46:14 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:47:11 <Curt> Luc: the links to the documents should point to the dated URLs to the other docs (questionnaire document too)
Luc Moreau: the links to the documents should point to the dated URLs to the other docs (questionnaire document too) ←
16:48:04 <Curt> Dong: will do for release
Trung Huynh: will do for release ←
16:48:14 <Curt> Luc: we want them prior to the telecon
Luc Moreau: we want them prior to the telecon ←
16:48:17 <Curt> Dong: will do
Trung Huynh: will do ←
16:48:24 <pgroth> Topic: Other Documents
Summary: The primer is staged and ready to go except for perhaps a change in the figure colors. Likewise, xml is staged as well incorporating all feedback from the F2F meeting. The group then discussed the issue of multiple XML schemas for each note. It was unclear if this was possible using the same namespace as with the OWL ontologies. The group agreed to investigate further.
<pgroth> Summary: The primer is staged and ready to go except for perhaps a change in the figure colors. Likewise, xml is staged as well incorporating all feedback from the F2F meeting. The group then discussed the issue of multiple XML schemas for each note. It was unclear if this was possible using the same namespace as with the OWL ontologies. The group agreed to investigate further.
16:49:02 <Curt> smiles: working on other docs, will update primer this week-end
Simon Miles: working on other docs, will update primer this week-end ←
16:49:04 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:49:11 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
16:49:31 <Curt> pgroth: XML status? voted to release as FPWD already, all staged and ready to go?
Paul Groth: XML status? voted to release as FPWD already, all staged and ready to go? ←
16:49:39 <zednik> discconnected from audio, calling back in
Stephan Zednik: discconnected from audio, calling back in ←
16:50:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:50:06 <zednik> back
Stephan Zednik: back ←
16:50:24 <Curt> Curt: I think the changes were all made and everything is staged
Curt Tilmes: I think the changes were all made and everything is staged ←
16:50:38 <Curt> zednik: it is staged now, the CR links don't resolve
Stephan Zednik: it is staged now, the CR links don't resolve ←
16:51:11 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:51:12 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:51:21 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:51:38 <Curt> Luc: Curt raised a question about how to handle XML namespace
Luc Moreau: Curt raised a question about how to handle XML namespace ←
16:52:06 <Curt> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Nov/0311.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Nov/0311.html ←
16:52:17 <Dong> Sorry, I have to go.
Trung Huynh: Sorry, I have to go. ←
16:52:24 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:52:25 <pgroth> \
Paul Groth: \ ←
16:52:26 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:52:30 <Curt> pgroth: we merge the various namespaces together for PROV-O, can we do something similar for PROV-XML?
Paul Groth: we merge the various namespaces together for PROV-O, can we do something similar for PROV-XML? ←
16:52:30 <Dong> Bye all.
Trung Huynh: Bye all. ←
16:53:16 <Curt> Luc: If you look at the ontology, we have mentionOf defined in a separate document, but it still uses the prov: namespace
Luc Moreau: If you look at the ontology, we have mentionOf defined in a separate document, but it still uses the prov: namespace ←
16:54:06 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
16:54:36 <stain> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/xml/releases/WD-prov-xml-20121211/Overview.html uses <xs:any namespace="##other"/> -- so here you can't extend this using the same namespace
Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/xml/releases/WD-prov-xml-20121211/Overview.html uses <xs:any namespace="##other"/> -- so here you can't extend this using the same namespace ←
16:54:41 <stain> you would have to use <xs:any /> instead
Stian Soiland-Reyes: you would have to use <xs:any /> instead ←
16:54:43 <Curt> Luc: a separate ontology defines mention, but the subject/object are prov entities, is that ok? I don't think we can do that with XML.
Luc Moreau: a separate ontology defines mention, but the subject/object are prov entities, is that ok? I don't think we can do that with XML. ←
16:55:07 <Curt> pgroth: with PROV-O, you can load both files into your reasoner
Paul Groth: with PROV-O, you can load both files into your reasoner ←
16:55:37 <stain> q+
Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+ ←
16:55:48 <pgroth> ack stain
Paul Groth: ack stain ←
16:55:50 <Curt> Luc: will this work with XML?
Luc Moreau: will this work with XML? ←
16:56:17 <Curt> stain: I don't think that will work with XML
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I don't think that will work with XML ←
16:56:42 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:56:56 <Curt> q+
q+ ←
16:57:04 <pgroth> ack Curt
Paul Groth: ack Curt ←
16:57:34 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:57:36 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:57:39 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:57:48 <Curt> Curt: could manually maintain separate complete XSDs, one with just core, one with core+extensions
Curt Tilmes: could manually maintain separate complete XSDs, one with just core, one with core+extensions ←
16:58:40 <Curt> Luc: this can affect overall extensibility approach
Luc Moreau: this can affect overall extensibility approach ←
16:58:50 <stain> @Curt two schema versions could be tricky - if I import a schema which is using the 'core' schema, then I can't (easily!) use the 'extended' schema.
Stian Soiland-Reyes: @Curt two schema versions could be tricky - if I import a schema which is using the 'core' schema, then I can't (easily!) use the 'extended' schema. ←
16:59:09 <Curt> Luc: I don't think we can use the same approach to extend XML we use for OWL
Luc Moreau: I don't think we can use the same approach to extend XML we use for OWL ←
17:00:21 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
17:00:27 <Curt> pgroth: XML is a note, so we could just put all the notes extensions together
Paul Groth: XML is a note, so we could just put all the notes extensions together ←
17:00:34 <Curt> pgroth: it isn't a specification
Paul Groth: it isn't a specification ←
17:01:13 <Curt> Luc: that may give more weight to dictionaries, mention, etc. than we intend to have
Luc Moreau: that may give more weight to dictionaries, mention, etc. than we intend to have ←
17:01:37 <GK> "Can't do it with XML schema" sounds wrong to me. I'm not expert on XML, but I don't see what breaks if one has multiple schema documents that define different aspects of an XML structure, creating some elements in a common namespace. The main thing that I see is that the core schema MUST have suitable extension points.
Graham Klyne: "Can't do it with XML schema" sounds wrong to me. I'm not expert on XML, but I don't see what breaks if one has multiple schema documents that define different aspects of an XML structure, creating some elements in a common namespace. The main thing that I see is that the core schema MUST have suitable extension points. ←
17:01:42 <Luc> yes you can import
Luc Moreau: yes you can import ←
17:01:48 <Curt> pgroth: Can we check to see if we can technically handle it by combining them?
Paul Groth: Can we check to see if we can technically handle it by combining them? ←
17:01:58 <zednik> q+
Stephan Zednik: q+ ←
17:02:17 <pgroth> no
Paul Groth: no ←
17:02:25 <Curt> zednik: dictionary/mention will have notes, could we use separate namespaces for them?
Stephan Zednik: dictionary/mention will have notes, could we use separate namespaces for them? ←
17:02:46 <Curt> pgroth: wouldn't be consistent with other docs, want to use just one namespace
Paul Groth: wouldn't be consistent with other docs, want to use just one namespace ←
17:02:56 <satya> * sorry have to leave now
Satya Sahoo: * sorry have to leave now ←
17:03:01 <satya> bye
Satya Sahoo: bye ←
17:03:10 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo ←
17:03:17 <tlebo> q+ to ask if xml terms overlap with prov-o terms.
Timothy Lebo: q+ to ask if xml terms overlap with prov-o terms. ←
17:03:22 <Curt> I'd like to experiment a bit before making a decision
I'd like to experiment a bit before making a decision ←
17:03:28 <stain> I can try to experiment as well
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I can try to experiment as well ←
17:03:46 <Curt> Luc: add a note in the document that the namespace may change
Luc Moreau: add a note in the document that the namespace may change ←
17:03:47 <tlebo> I still need to play with it, too.
Timothy Lebo: I still need to play with it, too. ←
17:03:51 <TomDN> gotta go, bye
Tom De Nies: gotta go, bye ←
17:04:23 <tlebo> q?
Timothy Lebo: q? ←
17:04:25 <stain> but there is a reason why XML community has moved away from XSD and over to lightweight, less strict formats like RelaxNG
Stian Soiland-Reyes: but there is a reason why XML community has moved away from XSD and over to lightweight, less strict formats like RelaxNG ←
17:04:31 <Curt> Luc: there may not be a technical solution, we want the schema to validate
Luc Moreau: there may not be a technical solution, we want the schema to validate ←
17:04:34 <zednik> q-
Stephan Zednik: q- ←
17:04:56 <pgroth> all of them
Paul Groth: all of them ←
17:05:02 <Curt> there is no overlap
there is no overlap ←
17:05:27 <Curt> but if you use mentionof and validate against core without links, it should fail
but if you use mentionof and validate against core without links, it should fail ←
17:05:56 <Luc> xml does not work with uri, per se
Luc Moreau: xml does not work with uri, per se ←
17:06:28 <stain> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/xml/releases/WD-prov-xml-20121211/Overview.html shows lots of overlap and non-overlap, for instance <prov:wasGeneratedBy> (overlaps with prov:wasGeneratedBy) and <prov:time> (not overlapping with prov:atTime)
Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/xml/releases/WD-prov-xml-20121211/Overview.html shows lots of overlap and non-overlap, for instance <prov:wasGeneratedBy> (overlaps with prov:wasGeneratedBy) and <prov:time> (not overlapping with prov:atTime) ←
17:07:19 <tlebo> q-
Timothy Lebo: q- ←
17:07:35 <Curt> Address in next revision past FPWD
Address in next revision past FPWD ←
17:08:02 <Luc> I also would like to check that this is implementable
Luc Moreau: I also would like to check that this is implementable ←
17:08:07 <GK> I would assume we can have multiple schemas defining terms in a common namespace, and do some background checking with XML experts.
Graham Klyne: I would assume we can have multiple schemas defining terms in a common namespace, and do some background checking with XML experts. ←
17:08:17 <Curt> It's just a note, and its just FPWD, people know it might change
It's just a note, and its just FPWD, people know it might change ←
17:08:31 <tlebo> +1 curt
Timothy Lebo: +1 curt ←
17:08:54 <stain> I'm going now, but I'll check. Have we got an ISSUE for this (common email thread) ?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I'm going now, but I'll check. Have we got an ISSUE for this (common email thread) ? ←
17:08:54 <dgarijo> bbye
Daniel Garijo: bbye ←
17:08:55 <tlebo> bye bye!
Timothy Lebo: bye bye! ←
17:08:57 <Zakim> -stain
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17:08:58 <SamCoppens1> bye
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17:09:01 <Zakim> -dgarijo
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17:09:02 <Curt> I'll make an issue
I'll make an issue ←
17:09:03 <Zakim> -pgroth
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17:09:13 <pgroth> curt, i'll sort out the minutes
Paul Groth: curt, i'll sort out the minutes ←
17:09:13 <Zakim> -smiles
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17:09:21 <Zakim> -MacTed
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17:09:23 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public ←
17:09:27 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:09:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-prov-minutes.html pgroth
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-prov-minutes.html pgroth ←
17:09:32 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon ←
17:09:32 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:09:32 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Curt_Tilmes, pgroth, Luc, MacTed, smiles, [IPcaller], +1.315.330.aabb, SamCoppens, GK, dgarijo, TomDN, jcheney, Satya_Sahoo, jun,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Curt_Tilmes, pgroth, Luc, MacTed, smiles, [IPcaller], +1.315.330.aabb, SamCoppens, GK, dgarijo, TomDN, jcheney, Satya_Sahoo, jun, ←
17:09:35 <Zakim> ... khalidBelhajjame, stain
Zakim IRC Bot: ... khalidBelhajjame, stain ←
17:09:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:09:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-prov-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←
17:09:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:09:41 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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