None.
F2F3 minutes will be out next week. The action items were gone through.
A brief summary of the decisions taken at F2F3 was given.
The group was reminded to provide any feature requests on the PAQ by the end of next week. The group was reminded about two new wiki pages for implementations of PROV and outreach information. The group was asked to contribute to them. In addition, the group was asked to mark ISWC 2012 as the time period for the next F2F meeting.
An update on the dublin core mappings was given. The goal is to address all comments by next week and produce a Note version of the July 12. In addition, Luc gave an overview of how the technical issues remaining on PROV-DM were addressed by the editors according to the resolutions of F2F3.
Luc presented the renaming of contextualization to mention as asked for by the resolution from the F2F. The term remains marked as a feature at risk as per the resolution. The chairs will look into whether there should be a rational given for marking the feature at risk. James and Satya indicated that they were ok with this renaming and marking as a feature at risk
The group was asked to volunteer for reviewing prov-dm and the prov-o ontology for last call. The reviews would be done by next Friday July 6, 2012 for a vote on Last Call July 12, 2012. The review for prov-o would be for the final ontology as the narrative is still being worked on. For prov-dm, Khalid, Daniel and James agreed to review. For prov-o, Luc and Paul agreed to review. Also, reminders were given for other outstanding reviews on the prov-primer and prov-n. The chairs expressed strong concern that there were not enough reviewers given that prov-dm and prov-o are Last Call documents. They will email the group reminding them of the importance of Last Call and reviewing.
14:54:47 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-prov-irc
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14:54:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:54:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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14:54:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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14:54:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:54:52 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2012
14:55:01 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:55:02 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes ←
14:58:21 <pgroth> trackbot, start telcon
Paul Groth: trackbot, start telcon ←
14:58:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:58:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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14:58:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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14:58:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:58:27 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2012
14:58:29 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:58:29 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
14:58:34 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
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14:58:41 <Zakim> +Mike_Wald
Zakim IRC Bot: +Mike_Wald ←
14:58:42 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.28
14:58:56 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:59:02 <pgroth> Scribe: Daniel Garijo
(Scribe set to Daniel Garijo)
14:59:27 <Luc> zakim, Mike_Wald is me
Luc Moreau: zakim, Mike_Wald is me ←
14:59:27 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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14:59:41 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
14:59:41 <Luc> zakim, who is here?
Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here? ←
14:59:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, ??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc, ??P9 ←
14:59:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see khalidBelhajjame, pgroth, CraigTrim, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, ivan, sandro, trackbot, stain
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see khalidBelhajjame, pgroth, CraigTrim, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, ivan, sandro, trackbot, stain ←
14:59:49 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P9 is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
15:00:27 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
15:00:29 <pgroth> Regrets: Timothy Lebo, Paolo Missier, Simon Miles, Curt Tilmes, Stephan Zednik, Tom De Nies, Graham Klyne
15:00:32 <jun> zakim, ??P24 is me
Jun Zhao: zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:00:39 <Zakim> +jun; got it
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15:00:41 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:00:45 <Zakim> +??P30
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15:00:47 <Zakim> +??P28
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28 ←
15:00:54 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P30 is me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P30 is me ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it
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15:01:03 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P24 is me
Zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:01:12 <Zakim> I already had ??P24 as jun, dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P24 as jun, dgarijo ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo ←
15:01:31 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P28 is me
Zakim, ??P28 is me ←
15:01:33 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo ←
15:01:38 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
15:01:46 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo ←
15:03:33 <Zakim> +??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P41 ←
15:04:03 <Zakim> +??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44 ←
15:05:28 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
Summary: F2F3 minutes will be out next week. The action items were gone through.
<pgroth> Summary: F2F3 minutes will be out next week. The action items were gone through.
15:05:33 <dgarijo> yes
yes ←
15:06:20 <dgarijo> Luc: I wanted to get DM out of the way this weekend, but let's discuss that online
Luc Moreau: I wanted to get DM out of the way this weekend, but let's discuss that online ←
15:06:25 <dgarijo> pgroth: actions
Paul Groth: actions ←
15:06:57 <dgarijo> ... resolution around collections (Done) Ivan took a look around rdf datatypes . Paul still has to do his action.
... resolution around collections (Done) Ivan took a look around rdf datatypes . Paul still has to do his action. ←
15:07:08 <dgarijo> ... Daniel has talked about a note about dc
... Daniel has talked about a note about dc ←
15:07:12 <dgarijo> ... myme types
... myme types ←
15:07:21 <dgarijo> ... reviews for paolo
... reviews for paolo ←
15:07:25 <dgarijo> ... (to be done)
... (to be done) ←
15:07:37 <dgarijo> ... started exit criteria. Will give an update
... started exit criteria. Will give an update ←
15:07:54 <dgarijo> ... notion of compliance with w3c. This needs to be smmarized.
... notion of compliance with w3c. This needs to be smmarized. ←
15:08:30 <dgarijo> ... still haven't made the ***? available on the prov page
... still haven't made the ***? available on the prov page ←
15:08:57 <dgarijo> ... I will marked as done the issues that have been done after the call
... I will marked as done the issues that have been done after the call ←
15:08:59 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:09:19 <dgarijo> s /marked/mark
s /marked/mark ←
15:09:25 <pgroth> Topic: F2F3
Summary: A brief summary of the decisions taken at F2F3 was given.
<pgroth> Summary: A brief summary of the decisions taken at F2F3 was given.
15:09:57 <dgarijo> pgroth: recap on the meeting for those who weren't there. It was a good meeting. Had resolutions on most of open issues
Paul Groth: recap on the meeting for those who weren't there. It was a good meeting. Had resolutions on most of open issues ←
15:10:48 <dgarijo> ... I encourage to loook at the different resolutions. We need a new timetable. We are essentially a month behind our previous timetable. We'll ask for an extension.
... I encourage to loook at the different resolutions. We need a new timetable. We are essentially a month behind our previous timetable. We'll ask for an extension. ←
15:10:55 <dgarijo> ... there is now an implementation team
... there is now an implementation team ←
15:11:12 <dgarijo> ... in order to produce a report in interoperable implementations
... in order to produce a report in interoperable implementations ←
15:11:21 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:11:25 <dgarijo> ... we'll try to summarize this for next week
... we'll try to summarize this for next week ←
15:11:36 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:11:45 <pgroth> Topic: Reminders
Summary: The group was reminded to provide any feature requests on the PAQ by the end of next week. The group was reminded about two new wiki pages for implementations of PROV and outreach information. The group was asked to contribute to them. In addition, the group was asked to mark ISWC 2012 as the time period for the next F2F meeting.
<pgroth> Summary: The group was reminded to provide any feature requests on the PAQ by the end of next week. The group was reminded about two new wiki pages for implementations of PROV and outreach information. The group was asked to contribute to them. In addition, the group was asked to mark ISWC 2012 as the time period for the next F2F meeting.
15:12:19 <dgarijo> pgroth: for the PAQ we are keen on getting all the issues and request for features
Paul Groth: for the PAQ we are keen on getting all the issues and request for features ←
15:12:48 <dgarijo> ... we have met the deadline, but let's make it the middle of next week for issues and future requests
... we have met the deadline, but let's make it the middle of next week for issues and future requests ←
15:12:50 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:13:15 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvImplementations
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvImplementations ←
15:13:45 <dgarijo> ... I want to highlight 2 new wikipages: 1) prov implementations page: page to keep track of the implementations.
... I want to highlight 2 new wikipages: 1) prov implementations page: page to keep track of the implementations. ←
15:14:09 <dgarijo> ... by implementations we mean extensions and applications.
... by implementations we mean extensions and applications. ←
15:14:22 <dgarijo> ... if you are developing something, please add the link there
... if you are developing something, please add the link there ←
15:14:23 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:14:48 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/OutreachInformation
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/OutreachInformation ←
15:15:30 <dgarijo> pgroth: 2) ourtreach Info page. All the blog post and tutorials that have been done. If you have done anything then this will be a good place to document it.
Paul Groth: 2) ourtreach Info page. All the blog post and tutorials that have been done. If you have done anything then this will be a good place to document it. ←
15:15:41 <dgarijo> ... feel free to add anything
... feel free to add anything ←
15:15:43 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:15:58 <dgarijo> s /ourtreach/outreach
s /ourtreach/outreach ←
15:16:17 <dgarijo> pgroth: the slides will be there also.
Paul Groth: the slides will be there also. ←
15:16:32 <dgarijo> ... finally, f2f4 will be collocated with ISWC
... finally, f2f4 will be collocated with ISWC ←
15:16:43 <dgarijo> ... we will be adding a poll
... we will be adding a poll ←
15:16:51 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:17:07 <pgroth> Topic: Updates
Summary: An update on the dublin core mappings was given. The goal is to address all comments by next week and produce a Note version of the July 12. In addition, Luc gave an overview of how the technical issues remaining on PROV-DM were addressed by the editors according to the resolutions of F2F3.
<pgroth> Summary: An update on the dublin core mappings was given. The goal is to address all comments by next week and produce a Note version of the July 12. In addition, Luc gave an overview of how the technical issues remaining on PROV-DM were addressed by the editors according to the resolutions of F2F3.
15:17:08 <dgarijo> ... updates
... updates ←
15:17:25 <dgarijo> ... DC and DM. Will skip on prov o
... DC and DM. Will skip on prov o ←
15:17:49 <pgroth> dgarijo: talked to kai yesterday
Daniel Garijo: talked to kai yesterday [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←
15:17:55 <khalidBelhajjame> dgarijo: agreed with Kai to resolve the issues identified in the reviews
Daniel Garijo: agreed with Kai to resolve the issues identified in the reviews [ Scribe Assist by Khalid Belhajjame ] ←
15:18:01 <pgroth> thanks khalidBelhajjame
Paul Groth: thanks khalidBelhajjame ←
15:18:12 <khalidBelhajjame> ... produces something by July
Khalid Belhajjame: ... produces something by July ←
15:18:39 <khalidBelhajjame> ... we will ask for reviews again once a note is ready for that
Khalid Belhajjame: ... we will ask for reviews again once a note is ready for that ←
15:19:07 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:19:10 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, code? ←
15:19:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed ←
15:19:17 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:19:26 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:19:26 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:19:28 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:19:28 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:19:29 <khalidBelhajjame> dgarijo: we wanted to have the note early to have time to address the reviews that we anticipate
Daniel Garijo: we wanted to have the note early to have time to address the reviews that we anticipate [ Scribe Assist by Khalid Belhajjame ] ←
15:19:38 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:19:51 <dgarijo> @khalid thanks for scribing, I will continue.
@khalid thanks for scribing, I will continue. ←
15:20:09 <dgarijo> Luc: update on DM.
Luc Moreau: update on DM. ←
15:20:19 <dgarijo> ... working on the resolutions made on the f2f
... working on the resolutions made on the f2f ←
15:20:29 <dgarijo> ... now they are on the agenda
... now they are on the agenda ←
15:20:54 <dgarijo> ... dictionary : we remove dictionary, which will be moved to a note.
... dictionary : we remove dictionary, which will be moved to a note. ←
15:21:01 <dgarijo> ... along with most of its relations
... along with most of its relations ←
15:21:13 <dgarijo> ... collections/membership will be kept
... collections/membership will be kept ←
15:21:31 <dgarijo> ... discussion on tracedTo
... discussion on tracedTo ←
15:21:58 <dgarijo> ... led to a resolution (unexpected) where it is replaced by influenced. (Not transitive)
... led to a resolution (unexpected) where it is replaced by influenced. (Not transitive) ←
15:22:17 <dgarijo> ... component 3 is being renamed including influence as well.
... component 3 is being renamed including influence as well. ←
15:22:38 <dgarijo> ... had discussions about which datatypes & version of RDF to follow.
... had discussions about which datatypes & version of RDF to follow. ←
15:22:50 <dgarijo> ... adopted some of the text in OWL 2
... adopted some of the text in OWL 2 ←
15:23:00 <dgarijo> ... problem with xsd schema changing
... problem with xsd schema changing ←
15:23:18 <dgarijo> ... we will have to be conformant to version 1.1 of RDF
... we will have to be conformant to version 1.1 of RDF ←
15:23:33 <dgarijo> ... Ivan was happy with that.
... Ivan was happy with that. ←
15:23:39 <dgarijo> ... people could review that
... people could review that ←
15:23:50 <dgarijo> ... hadLocation was debated as well.
... hadLocation was debated as well. ←
15:24:14 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-mention
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-mention ←
15:24:27 <dgarijo> ... discussion on contextualization (continued in the mailing list). Resolved to rename contextualization. Also the notion of mentions (a bundle mentions an entity).
... discussion on contextualization (continued in the mailing list). Resolved to rename contextualization. Also the notion of mentions (a bundle mentions an entity). ←
15:24:54 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:24:59 <dgarijo> ... this will be marked as at risk, so we will be able to drop it if there are problems when implementing this.
... this will be marked as at risk, so we will be able to drop it if there are problems when implementing this. ←
15:25:30 <pgroth> Topic: Contextualization
Summary: Luc presented the renaming of contextualization to mention as asked for by the resolution from the F2F. The term remains marked as a feature at risk as per the resolution. The chairs will look into whether there should be a rational given for marking the feature at risk. James and Satya indicated that they were ok with this renaming and marking as a feature at risk
<pgroth> Summary: Luc presented the renaming of contextualization to mention as asked for by the resolution from the F2F. The term remains marked as a feature at risk as per the resolution. The chairs will look into whether there should be a rational given for marking the feature at risk. James and Satya indicated that they were ok with this renaming and marking as a feature at risk
15:25:57 <dgarijo> ... we had this resolution, to rename contextualization. Marked as risk
... we had this resolution, to rename contextualization. Marked as risk ←
15:26:00 <dgarijo> ... long debate
... long debate ←
15:26:09 <dgarijo> ... seems to be coming to some resolution
... seems to be coming to some resolution ←
15:26:18 <dgarijo> ... do people have comments/questions?
... do people have comments/questions? ←
15:26:35 <dgarijo> ... in particular the proposal to rename it to mention
... in particular the proposal to rename it to mention ←
15:26:36 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:26:51 <jcheney> think we need to hear from graham, who's not here
James Cheney: think we need to hear from graham, who's not here ←
15:27:02 <jcheney> i'm happy with renaming to mention & marking at risk
James Cheney: i'm happy with renaming to mention & marking at risk ←
15:27:34 <dgarijo> ... in the mailing list Graham seems to be ok with renaming it and marking it as risk
... in the mailing list Graham seems to be ok with renaming it and marking it as risk ←
15:27:59 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:28:39 <satya> I am also fine with including it (but not overloading specialization) and marking it as risk
Satya Sahoo: I am also fine with including it (but not overloading specialization) and marking it as risk ←
15:29:10 <dgarijo> Luc: we need to indicate explicitly the features at risk and be specific about why it is at risk. It remains to be done. I don't know how it should be written, so it would be good to have some input.
Luc Moreau: we need to indicate explicitly the features at risk and be specific about why it is at risk. It remains to be done. I don't know how it should be written, so it would be good to have some input. ←
15:29:46 <dgarijo> ... we need to explain to the readers what to look at and what the issue is.
... we need to explain to the readers what to look at and what the issue is. ←
15:30:40 <dgarijo> pgroth: my feeling is that having a long description would confuse the reader. By doing that you bias the user
Paul Groth: my feeling is that having a long description would confuse the reader. By doing that you bias the user ←
15:30:43 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:30:55 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:30:56 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:31:18 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:31:18 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:31:39 <dgarijo> MacTed: not sure how this can replace context
Ted Thibodeau: not sure how "mention" can replace "context" ←
15:31:40 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:31:49 <pgroth> Topic: Reviewers
Summary: The group was asked to volunteer for reviewing prov-dm and the prov-o ontology for last call. The reviews would be done by next Friday July 6, 2012 for a vote on Last Call July 12, 2012. The review for prov-o would be for the final ontology as the narrative is still being worked on. For prov-dm, Khalid, Daniel and James agreed to review. For prov-o, Luc and Paul agreed to review. Also, reminders were given for other outstanding reviews on the prov-primer and prov-n. The chairs expressed strong concern that there were not enough reviewers given that prov-dm and prov-o are Last Call documents. They will email the group reminding them of the importance of Last Call and reviewing.
<pgroth> Summary: The group was asked to volunteer for reviewing prov-dm and the prov-o ontology for last call. The reviews would be done by next Friday July 6, 2012 for a vote on Last Call July 12, 2012. The review for prov-o would be for the final ontology as the narrative is still being worked on. For prov-dm, Khalid, Daniel and James agreed to review. For prov-o, Luc and Paul agreed to review. Also, reminders were given for other outstanding reviews on the prov-primer and prov-n. The chairs expressed strong concern that there were not enough reviewers given that prov-dm and prov-o are Last Call documents. They will email the group reminding them of the importance of Last Call and reviewing.
15:32:03 <MacTed> s/this can replace context/"mention" can replace "context"/
15:32:16 <dgarijo> pgroth: We agreed at the f2f that DM would try to address all the issues by ????
Paul Groth: We agreed at the f2f that DM would try to address all the issues by ???? ←
15:32:27 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:32:27 <Zakim> MacTed was not muted, MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed was not muted, MacTed ←
15:32:37 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:32:42 <dgarijo> ... PROV-O : Tim said that the ontology would be ready for tomorrow
... PROV-O : Tim said that the ontology would be ready for tomorrow ←
15:32:54 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:32:54 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:32:55 <dgarijo> ... we will start 1 week review perios
... we will start 1 week review perios ←
15:32:58 <dgarijo> period
period ←
15:33:10 <dgarijo> ... and the we will go for LC
... and the we will go for LC ←
15:33:41 <dgarijo> ... the goal would be to get all reviews for next friday
... the goal would be to get all reviews for next friday ←
15:33:56 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:34:14 <dgarijo> ... questions about the timetable?
... questions about the timetable? ←
15:34:29 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:34:32 <dgarijo> ... who will be willing to review DM?
... who will be willing to review DM? ←
15:34:48 <dgarijo> Luc: are we reviewing the changes?
Luc Moreau: are we reviewing the changes? ←
15:34:54 <Luc> ack luc
Luc Moreau: ack luc ←
15:35:08 <khalidBelhajjame> I will review the changes in the DM
Khalid Belhajjame: I will review the changes in the DM ←
15:35:10 <dgarijo> ... paul: review of the changes, but if you want to review the entire doc, it would be ok
... paul: review of the changes, but if you want to review the entire doc, it would be ok ←
15:35:32 <dgarijo> Luc: it would be good if Khalid and Daniel review the changes
Luc Moreau: it would be good if Khalid and Daniel review the changes ←
15:35:34 <dgarijo> ok
ok ←
15:35:38 <jcheney> I will try to review DM, needed to update constraints anyway.
James Cheney: I will try to review DM, needed to update constraints anyway. ←
15:35:38 <dgarijo> I'll review them
I'll review them ←
15:35:54 <dgarijo> paul: anyone else?
Paul Groth: anyone else? ←
15:36:18 <pgroth> reviewers - james, khalidBelhajjame, daniel
Paul Groth: reviewers - james, khalidBelhajjame, daniel ←
15:36:24 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:36:36 <dgarijo> ... as a reminder, this is the document for LC. So please read it.
... as a reminder, this is the document for LC. So please read it. ←
15:36:47 <dgarijo> Luc: I am concerned by the lack of reviewers
Luc Moreau: I am concerned by the lack of reviewers ←
15:36:53 <dgarijo> ... we will have a vote in 2 weeks
... we will have a vote in 2 weeks ←
15:37:12 <dgarijo> ... there is no point if there are no reviewers.
... there is no point if there are no reviewers. ←
15:37:25 <khalidBelhajjame> Many people are not on the telecon, so it may be a good idea to send an email to the mailing list
Khalid Belhajjame: Many people are not on the telecon, so it may be a good idea to send an email to the mailing list ←
15:37:29 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:37:40 <dgarijo> ... graham has been critical with some constructs I'd like his feedback. Satya and MacTed as well.
... graham has been critical with some constructs I'd like his feedback. Satya and MacTed as well. ←
15:37:57 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:38:15 <dgarijo> Satya: I was not formally volunteer, but I plan to read the doc
Satya Sahoo: I was not formally volunteer, but I plan to read the doc ←
15:38:53 <dgarijo> pgroth: if you could look at the things you weren't agreeing on.
Paul Groth: if you could look at the things you weren't agreeing on. ←
15:39:10 <dgarijo> Satya: Yes
Satya Sahoo: Yes ←
15:39:12 <pgroth> ack satya
Paul Groth: ack satya ←
15:39:13 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:39:48 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:39:56 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:40:10 <dgarijo> paul: if someone doesn't read the document and votes against it will be considered a foul vote.
Paul Groth: if someone doesn't read the document and votes against it will be considered a foul vote. ←
15:40:15 <Luc> ack luc
Luc Moreau: ack luc ←
15:40:27 <dgarijo> luc: we'll send a reminder to the list
Luc Moreau: we'll send a reminder to the list ←
15:40:38 <dgarijo> pgroth: any more reviewers?
Paul Groth: any more reviewers? ←
15:40:47 <dgarijo> ... PROV-O ontology
... PROV-O ontology ←
15:40:58 <dgarijo> ... stable and aligned to DM
... stable and aligned to DM ←
15:41:28 <dgarijo> ... difficult to fix the narrative since DM is being changed, but we'll release the ontology. Narrative will come later
... difficult to fix the narrative since DM is being changed, but we'll release the ontology. Narrative will come later ←
15:41:57 <dgarijo> ... questions?
... questions? ←
15:42:05 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:42:14 <dgarijo> I think it makes a lot of sense.
I think it makes a lot of sense. ←
15:42:23 <satya> @Paul, we agreed to this in the call on Monday
Satya Sahoo: @Paul, we agreed to this in the call on Monday ←
15:43:03 <Luc> +1
Luc Moreau: +1 ←
15:43:07 <dgarijo> pgroth: reviewers for prov-o?
Paul Groth: reviewers for prov-o? ←
15:43:19 <Luc> +q
Luc Moreau: +q ←
15:43:20 <dgarijo> ... Paul, Luc,
... Paul, Luc, ←
15:43:26 <jcheney> will ead, may not be able to fully review
James Cheney: will ead, may not be able to fully review ←
15:43:32 <jcheney> will read, may not be able to fully review
James Cheney: will read, may not be able to fully review ←
15:43:39 <dgarijo> Luc: same comment as before. We need reviewers
Luc Moreau: same comment as before. We need reviewers ←
15:43:45 <pgroth> reviewers- Paul, Luc
Paul Groth: reviewers- Paul, Luc ←
15:43:49 <Luc> ack
Luc Moreau: ack ←
15:43:50 <dgarijo> ... Will send an email
... Will send an email ←
15:44:02 <Luc> ack luc
Luc Moreau: ack luc ←
15:44:36 <satya> a suggestion - it will be helpful if the persons who have signed up for applications/implementation review PROV-O specifically
Satya Sahoo: a suggestion - it will be helpful if the persons who have signed up for applications/implementation review PROV-O specifically ←
15:44:40 <dgarijo> pgroth: it is very important to get feedback
Paul Groth: it is very important to get feedback ←
15:44:49 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:44:54 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:44:58 <MacTed> I cannot guaranteed full review of all docs, but best effort will be made.
Ted Thibodeau: I cannot guaranteed full review of all docs, but best effort will be made. ←
15:44:58 <MacTed> please provide URIs for each and every doc for which reviews are requested. there are far too many to keep track of.
Ted Thibodeau: please provide URIs for each and every doc for which reviews are requested. there are far too many to keep track of. ←
15:44:58 <MacTed> if there's an intended "these depend on those" track, then prioritized list will be helpful.
Ted Thibodeau: if there's an intended "these depend on those" track, then prioritized list will be helpful. ←
15:45:27 <dgarijo> Luc: there are more docs. ProvN (under review).
Luc Moreau: there are more docs. ProvN (under review). ←
15:45:37 <dgarijo> ... still not any feedback received
... still not any feedback received ←
15:46:03 <jcheney> I read the last version before f2f3. No objections. Will read revised version more carefully.
James Cheney: I read the last version before f2f3. No objections. Will read revised version more carefully. ←
15:46:17 <dgarijo> ... please send the feedback. I'll send an email as a reminder
... please send the feedback. I'll send an email as a reminder ←
15:46:34 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:46:34 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:46:58 <Luc> @jcheney, thanks, could you just email this for the record. There was an issue for feedback.
Luc Moreau: @jcheney, thanks, could you just email this for the record. There was an issue for feedback. ←
15:47:10 <dgarijo> Macted: It will be very helpful if you could provide URIs for each doc+ prioritization.
Ted Thibodeau: It will be very helpful if you could provide URIs for each doc+ prioritization and dependency order. ←
15:47:12 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkingDrafts
James Cheney: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkingDrafts ←
15:47:25 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:47:29 <jcheney> has all the links but there is some cruft.
James Cheney: has all the links but there is some cruft. ←
15:47:58 <dgarijo> pgroth: I will send an email with the specific URIs
Paul Groth: I will send an email with the specific URIs ←
15:48:05 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:48:05 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:48:06 <pgroth> ack luc
Paul Groth: ack luc ←
15:48:18 <khalidBelhajjame> :-)
Khalid Belhajjame: :-) ←
15:48:20 <satya> :)
Satya Sahoo: :) ←
15:48:21 <khalidBelhajjame> bye
Khalid Belhajjame: bye ←
15:48:26 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidBelhajjame ←
15:48:27 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
15:48:29 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo ←
15:48:29 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
15:48:30 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
15:48:30 <Zakim> -jun
Zakim IRC Bot: -jun ←
15:48:32 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:48:41 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public ←
15:48:45 <Zakim> -??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P44 ←
15:48:50 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:48:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-prov-minutes.html pgroth
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15:48:52 <MacTed> s/prioritization/prioritization and dependency order/
15:48:58 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon ←
15:48:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:48:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Luc, pgroth, jun, khalidBelhajjame, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Luc, pgroth, jun, khalidBelhajjame, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, MacTed ←
15:49:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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15:49:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-prov-minutes.html trackbot
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15:49:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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15:49:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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