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12:59:54 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-prov-irc
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12:59:58 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
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13:00:03 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
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13:00:08 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
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13:00:09 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record team-only
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please make record team-only ←
13:00:13 <Zakim> +EricP
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13:00:16 <Zakim> + +49.302.093.aaaa
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13:00:17 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect ericP
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13:00:18 <Ralph> Meeting: Provenance Project Review
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13:00:26 <Zakim> -EricP
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13:00:26 <olaf> Zakim, aaaa is me
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Unknown olaf: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
13:00:28 <Zakim> +Yolanda
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13:00:30 <Zakim> +olaf; got it
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13:00:32 <Zakim> -Klaus
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13:00:40 <Zakim> +Luc
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13:00:42 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
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13:00:44 <Zakim> +EricP
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13:00:47 <Zakim> +Sandro
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13:00:58 <Ralph> zakim, matt has left mit531
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13:00:58 <Zakim> -Matt; got it
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13:01:50 <matt> zakim, dial matt-mit
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13:01:50 <Zakim> I am sorry, matt; I do not know a number for matt-mit
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13:01:58 <matt> zakim, dial matt-office
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13:01:58 <Zakim> I am sorry, matt; I do not know a number for matt-office
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13:02:07 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t/2010Oct/0301.html "Slides for [provenance] project review" [Ivan]
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t/2010Oct/0301.html "Slides for [provenance] project review" [Ivan] ←
13:02:13 <matt> zakim, code?
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Unknown matt: zakim, code? ←
13:02:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 4562 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), matt
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13:02:14 <Ralph> scribe: Ralph
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(Scribe set to Unknown Ralph)
13:02:18 <Ralph> Chair: Ivan
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13:02:21 <Zakim> +Matt
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13:02:34 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Rigo
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13:03:04 <Ralph> Ivan: welcome Yolanda Gil, Provenance XG Chair
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Unknown Ivan: welcome Yolanda Gil, Provenance XG Chair ←
13:03:21 <Zakim> +Klaus
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13:03:27 <matt> zakim, mute me
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Unknown matt: zakim, mute me ←
13:03:27 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
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13:04:19 <Ralph> ... Luc Moreau
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... Luc Moreau ←
13:04:39 <Ralph> ... Olaf Hartig
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... Olaf Hartig ←
13:05:01 <pgroth> can someone tell me the call details
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Unknown pgroth: can someone tell me the call details ←
13:05:03 <pgroth> sorry?
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Unknown pgroth: sorry? ←
13:05:04 <Ralph> Yolanda: goal is to get feedback on architectural issues in handling provenance
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Unknown Yolanda: goal is to get feedback on architectural issues in handling provenance ←
13:05:11 <tlr> zakim, code?
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13:05:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 4562 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), tlr
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13:05:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:05:43 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/10/Prov-ArchitDiscussion-main.pdf slides
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-> http://www.w3.org/2010/10/Prov-ArchitDiscussion-main.pdf slides ←
13:05:46 <pgroth> thanks
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Unknown pgroth: thanks ←
13:05:49 <tlr> zakim, [IPcaller] is probably pgroth
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Unknown tlr: zakim, [IPcaller] is probably pgroth ←
13:05:49 <Zakim> +pgroth?; got it
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13:05:53 <Ralph> [slide 3]
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[slide 3] ←
13:06:03 <Zakim> +Ian
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13:06:59 <Ralph> [slide 4]
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[slide 4] ←
13:07:11 <Ralph> [slide 4: Working definition of Provenance
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[slide 4: Working definition of Provenance] ←
13:07:51 <Ralph> s/nance/nance]/
13:08:31 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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13:08:31 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:08:33 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:09:32 <Ralph> [I think an example, e.g. a museum collection reference, would help here explaining the importance of documenting provenance]
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[I think an example, e.g. a museum collection reference, would help here explaining the importance of documenting provenance] ←
13:09:52 <Ralph> [slide 5: News Aggregator Scenario]
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[slide 5: News Aggregator Scenario] ←
13:10:08 <pgroth> your example ... :-)
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Unknown pgroth: your example ... :-) ←
13:12:11 <Ralph> [modern-day example; provenance documentation has been around for much longer than blogging ;) ]
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[modern-day example; provenance documentation has been around for much longer than blogging ;) ] ←
13:13:18 <Ralph> Yolanda: two other scenarios; disease propagation and business processes
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Unknown Yolanda: two other scenarios; disease propagation and business processes ←
13:13:31 <Ralph> [slide 6: Existing Provenance Vocabularies]
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[slide 6: Existing Provenance Vocabularies] ←
13:14:01 <Ralph> [slide 7: Products of the Provenance XG}
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[slide 7: Products of the Provenance XG] ←
13:14:05 <Ralph> s/}/]/
13:15:33 <Ralph> [slide 8: Propose a WG]
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[slide 8: Propose a WG] ←
13:16:15 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/ Provenance XG Wiki
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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/ Provenance XG Wiki ←
13:16:34 <Ralph> [slide 9: Provenance and Web Architecture]
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[slide 9: Provenance and Web Architecture] ←
13:17:24 <Ralph> [Luc Moreau presenting]
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[Luc Moreau presenting] ←
13:17:37 <Ralph> [slide 11: Introduction]
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[slide 11: Introduction] ←
13:18:12 <Ralph> i|[Luc|Topic: Provenance and Web Architecture
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i|[Luc|Topic: Provenance and Web Architecture ←
13:18:28 <Zakim> -Shawn
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Shawn ←
13:18:39 <Ralph> i|Yolanda: goal|Topic: Introduction to Provenance
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i|Yolanda: goal|Topic: Introduction to Provenance ←
13:18:52 <Zakim> -TimBL
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Zakim IRC Bot: -TimBL ←
13:18:55 <Ralph> [slide 12: Considered Patterns]
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[slide 12: Considered Patterns] ←
13:19:11 <Zakim> +TimBL
Zakim IRC Bot: +TimBL ←
13:19:22 <Ralph> [slide 13: HTTP Response/Request]
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[slide 13: HTTP Response/Request] ←
13:19:49 <Ralph> [slide 14: Provenance of a Representation]
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[slide 14: Provenance of a Representation] ←
13:19:56 <Ralph> Luc: need to read this graph bottom-up
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Unknown Luc: need to read this graph bottom-up ←
13:20:08 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/10/Prov-ArchitDiscussion-backup.pdf Slides for additional materials
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Unknown ivan: -> http://www.w3.org/2010/10/Prov-ArchitDiscussion-backup.pdf Slides for additional materials ←
13:20:17 <Ralph> ... at the bottom is a representation of the artifact the user has requested
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... at the bottom is a representation of the artifact the user has requested ←
13:20:59 <Ralph> [slide 15: [augmented] HTTP Request/Response]
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[slide 15: [augmented] HTTP Request/Response] ←
13:21:11 <Ralph> [slide 16: Provenance Passing
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[slide 16: Provenance Passing] ←
13:21:14 <Ralph> s/ing/ing]
13:21:23 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
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13:22:18 <Ralph> agenda+ Has the XG considered POWDER as a provenance-passing mechanism?
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agenda+ Has the XG considered POWDER as a provenance-passing mechanism? ←
13:22:50 <Ralph> [slide 17: Where to insert provenance?]
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[slide 17: Where to insert provenance?] ←
13:24:04 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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Unknown ivan: zakim, who is here? ←
13:24:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Keio, Coralie, Jeanne, Ivan, francois (muted), Klaus, Dsr, Rigo, Bert, Steven, Thomas, MIT531, Ted (muted), EricP, olaf, Yolanda, Luc, Sandro, Matt (muted),
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13:24:07 <Zakim> ... pgroth?, Ian, TimBL
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13:24:15 <Ralph> Luc: limitations on size of HTTP headers make them a less than ideal approach
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Unknown Luc: limitations on size of HTTP headers make them a less than ideal approach ←
13:24:43 <Ralph> [slide 18: an illustration of embedding-by-value using RDFa]
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[slide 18: an illustration of embedding-by-value using RDFa] ←
13:25:20 <Ralph> [slide 19: example of provenance by reference]
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[slide 19: example of provenance by reference] ←
13:25:32 <Ralph> [slide 20: Pro/Con Analysis]
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[slide 20: Pro/Con Analysis] ←
13:26:37 <Ralph> [slide 21: How to obtain provenance?]
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[slide 21: How to obtain provenance?] ←
13:27:07 <Ralph> Luc: imagine you received this news article without embedded provenance; how would you find provenance?
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Unknown Luc: imagine you received this news article without embedded provenance; how would you find provenance? ←
13:28:32 <Zakim> -TimBL
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13:28:37 <Ralph> zakim, TimBL just arrived in mit531
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zakim, TimBL just arrived in mit531 ←
13:28:37 <Zakim> +TimBL; got it
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13:28:48 <Ralph> [slide 22: Conclusion]
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[slide 22: Conclusion] ←
13:28:51 <ivan> q?
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Unknown ivan: q? ←
13:28:55 <ivan> agenda?
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Unknown ivan: agenda? ←
13:29:16 <jeff> q+
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Unknown jeff: q+ ←
13:29:48 <Ralph> Topic: Discussion
13:30:22 <ivan> ack sandro
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Unknown ivan: ack sandro ←
13:30:43 <dsr> ack Dave
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Unknown dsr: ack Dave ←
13:30:44 <Ralph> Sandro: this presentation clarified a lot of issues on provenance in my mind
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Unknown Sandro: this presentation clarified a lot of issues on provenance in my mind ←
13:31:08 <Ralph> ... I have a concern: when talking about the protocol, it sounded like the earlier point that provenance is a kind of metadata was ignored
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... I have a concern: when talking about the protocol, it sounded like the earlier point that provenance is a kind of metadata was ignored ←
13:31:16 <Ralph> ... all the issues you name apply to all metadata
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... all the issues you name apply to all metadata ←
13:31:18 <dsr> q+ to ask about provenance and domain names which change ownership over a period of years
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Unknown dsr: q+ to ask about provenance and domain names which change ownership over a period of years ←
13:31:31 <timbl> q+
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Unknown timbl: q+ ←
13:31:34 <Ralph> ... any HTTP header that is added should be a metadata header, not just a provenance header
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... any HTTP header that is added should be a metadata header, not just a provenance header ←
13:31:48 <Ralph> ... also, if you do provenance-by-value I don't see how to do provenance on provenance
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... also, if you do provenance-by-value I don't see how to do provenance on provenance ←
13:32:10 <Ralph> PaulG: I think you can have provenance on provenance but you end up stopping somewhere
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Unknown PaulG: I think you can have provenance on provenance but you end up stopping somewhere ←
13:32:23 <ericP> sounds like a chain of custody
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Unknown ericP: sounds like a chain of custody ←
13:32:25 <Ralph> ... generally you'd stop when you find provenance asserted by an individual or by an entity
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... generally you'd stop when you find provenance asserted by an individual or by an entity ←
13:32:43 <timbl> You have a self-assertion in the etadat adocument
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Unknown timbl: You have a self-assertion in the etadat adocument ←
13:32:47 <Ralph> Sandro: the fact that something is asserted by an individual is itself asserted by an individual in every case
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Unknown Sandro: the fact that something is asserted by an individual is itself asserted by an individual in every case ←
13:32:48 <Ralph> Tim: no
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Unknown Tim: no ←
13:32:53 <jose> zakim, dial jose-617
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Unknown jose: zakim, dial jose-617 ←
13:32:53 <Zakim> ok, jose; the call is being made
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13:32:54 <dsr> That resolves into an issue of trust relationships - who do you trust to make provenance statements
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Unknown dsr: That resolves into an issue of trust relationships - who do you trust to make provenance statements ←
13:32:54 <Zakim> +Jose
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13:32:57 <jose> zakim, mute me
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Unknown jose: zakim, mute me ←
13:32:57 <Zakim> Jose should now be muted
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13:33:31 <Ralph> Luc: we could use a general metadata field but there may be some issues specific to provenance
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Unknown Luc: we could use a general metadata field but there may be some issues specific to provenance ←
13:33:31 <ivan> ack jeff
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Unknown ivan: ack jeff ←
13:33:35 <Ralph> ... point taken, however
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... point taken, however ←
13:33:51 <Ralph> Jeff: thanks for presentation
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Unknown Jeff: thanks for presentation ←
13:34:05 <ivan> q?
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Unknown ivan: q? ←
13:34:11 <Ralph> ... a lot of the model assumes some sort of third-party provenance service
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... a lot of the model assumes some sort of third-party provenance service ←
13:34:30 <Zakim> +Sandro.a
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13:34:34 <Ralph> ... longer-term, once provenance is much better established, what will provenance look like?
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... longer-term, once provenance is much better established, what will provenance look like? ←
13:34:56 <Ralph> ... a million provenance services each doing a small piece or 2 or 3 big ones that do everything?
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... a million provenance services each doing a small piece or 2 or 3 big ones that do everything? ←
13:35:00 <Zakim> -Sandro
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13:35:12 <Ralph> ... how will cross-service infrastructure be handled?
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... how will cross-service infrastructure be handled? ←
13:35:13 <timbl> q+ to say (a) good presentation, thank you -- good framework about metadata in general. Agree with what Sandro said, xcept the worry about met^n data, as you can ground a metadata document in a self-describin things. I feel the provenance is a *part* of the web of data -- having the proenance "by value" can never carr th whol eweb which basically you need -- infor about individuals and operations and events and licences anc contracts and opearyions and tools.
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Unknown timbl: q+ to say (a) good presentation, thank you -- good framework about metadata in general. Agree with what Sandro said, xcept the worry about met^n data, as you can ground a metadata document in a self-describin things. I feel the provenance is a *part* of the web of data -- having the proenance "by value" can never carr th whol eweb which basically you need -- infor about individuals and operations and events and licences anc contracts and opearyions and tools. ←
13:35:21 <Ralph> ... are these questions also being looked at within the XG?
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... are these questions also being looked at within the XG? ←
13:35:22 <rigo> I wonder about country borders as provenance. All governments dream of re-instating borders on the borderless Internet. Is this the ultimate tool for the great chinese firewall?
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Unknown rigo: I wonder about country borders as provenance. All governments dream of re-instating borders on the borderless Internet. Is this the ultimate tool for the great chinese firewall? ←
13:35:42 <Ralph> Paul: taking the news aggregator scenario
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Unknown Paul: taking the news aggregator scenario ←
13:35:52 <Ralph> ... we imagined the provenance provided by each individual Web site
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... we imagined the provenance provided by each individual Web site ←
13:35:52 <timbl> link rel=meta
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Unknown timbl: link rel=meta ←
13:36:10 <Ralph> ... e.g. the NYT might provide a set of provenance then point to another site as a source
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... e.g. the NYT might provide a set of provenance then point to another site as a source ←
13:36:22 <Ralph> ... [the client would] traverse over to the other site for more
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... [the client would] traverse over to the other site for more ←
13:36:36 <Ralph> ... each site would provide what they know rather than aggregating in a central service
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... each site would provide what they know rather than aggregating in a central service ←
13:36:56 <Ralph> ... could do centralization but from an architectural perspective, each Web site provides what provenance they can
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... could do centralization but from an architectural perspective, each Web site provides what provenance they can ←
13:37:14 <Ralph> Jeff: if each one does the provenance it can, are there higher-level protocols between them that are required?
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Unknown Jeff: if each one does the provenance it can, are there higher-level protocols between them that are required? ←
13:37:23 <Ralph> Yolanda: I mentioned referral provenance situations
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Unknown Yolanda: I mentioned referral provenance situations ←
13:37:34 <Ralph> ... one site could refer you to another for deeper provenance
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... one site could refer you to another for deeper provenance ←
13:37:46 <sandro> (I think if we didn't have RDF already, a reasonable design for provenance would require designing it.)
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Unknown sandro: (I think if we didn't have RDF already, a reasonable design for provenance would require designing it.) ←
13:38:00 <Ralph> Luc: we envision a kind of graph that is distributed across many servers
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Unknown Luc: we envision a kind of graph that is distributed across many servers ←
13:38:16 <Ralph> ... the protocol used to retrieve provenance is the same as the Web protocol
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... the protocol used to retrieve provenance is the same as the Web protocol ←
13:38:27 <timbl> Have a general set of ontologies plus a generic way of saying what sort of information is available elsewhere, like foaf:made vs foaf:pubs.
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Unknown timbl: Have a general set of ontologies plus a generic way of saying what sort of information is available elsewhere, like foaf:made vs foaf:pubs. ←
13:38:36 <ivan> ack dsr
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Unknown ivan: ack dsr ←
13:38:36 <Zakim> dsr, you wanted to ask about provenance and domain names which change ownership over a period of years
Zakim IRC Bot: dsr, you wanted to ask about provenance and domain names which change ownership over a period of years ←
13:38:37 <Ralph> ... you'd navigate the "web of provenance" the same as the Web of documents
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... you'd navigate the "web of provenance" the same as the Web of documents ←
13:38:40 <jeff> q+ ralph
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Unknown jeff: q+ ralph ←
13:38:51 <Ralph> Dave: one concern is the DNS
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Unknown Dave: one concern is the DNS ←
13:38:55 <Ralph> ... domain names change hands
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... domain names change hands ←
13:39:10 <Ralph> ... provenance information involving domain names needs to have a treatment of time
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... provenance information involving domain names needs to have a treatment of time ←
13:39:15 <Ralph> ... has the XG thought about this?
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... has the XG thought about this? ←
13:39:28 <Ralph> Yolanda: yes, time is an important ingredient
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Unknown Yolanda: yes, time is an important ingredient ←
13:39:37 <Ralph> ... part of trust decisions
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... part of trust decisions ←
13:39:37 <rigo> I hear Dave asking what 404 means in Provenance
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Unknown rigo: I hear Dave asking what 404 means in Provenance ←
13:39:50 <Ralph> ... comes up repeatedly in our scenarios
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... comes up repeatedly in our scenarios ←
13:40:12 <Ralph> Paul: there's a general problem of archiving of Web data
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Unknown Paul: there's a general problem of archiving of Web data ←
13:40:37 <Ralph> ... we assume at the start there won't be provenance; then we get to archival Web data
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... we assume at the start there won't be provenance; then we get to archival Web data ←
13:40:51 <ivan> ack timbl
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Unknown ivan: ack timbl ←
13:40:51 <Zakim> timbl, you wanted to say (a) good presentation, thank you -- good framework about metadata in general. Agree with what Sandro said, xcept the worry about met^n data, as you can
Zakim IRC Bot: timbl, you wanted to say (a) good presentation, thank you -- good framework about metadata in general. Agree with what Sandro said, xcept the worry about met^n data, as you can ←
13:40:53 <Ralph> ... we haven't looked at this directly
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... we haven't looked at this directly ←
13:40:54 <Zakim> ... ground a metadata document in a self-describin things. I feel the provenance is a *part* of the web of data -- having the proenance "by value" can never carr th whol eweb
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ground a metadata document in a self-describin things. I feel the provenance is a *part* of the web of data -- having the proenance "by value" can never carr th whol eweb ←
13:40:58 <Zakim> ... which basically you need -- infor about individuals and operations and events and licences anc contracts and opearyions and tools.
Zakim IRC Bot: ... which basically you need -- infor about individuals and operations and events and licences anc contracts and opearyions and tools. ←
13:41:11 <ivan> ack Tim
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Unknown ivan: ack Tim ←
13:41:33 <Ralph> Tim: the TAG has been looking at metadata and various bits of it
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Unknown Tim: the TAG has been looking at metadata and various bits of it ←
13:41:46 <Ralph> ... agree with Sandro's point that an HTTP header should be a general metadata header
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... agree with Sandro's point that an HTTP header should be a general metadata header ←
13:41:57 <Ralph> ... there's already a LINK rel=meta
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... there's already a LINK rel=meta ←
13:42:04 <Ralph> ... I've been suggesting people standardize on this
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... I've been suggesting people standardize on this ←
13:42:18 <Ralph> ... a link to metadata is a bootstrap for everything else
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... a link to metadata is a bootstrap for everything else ←
13:42:31 <Ralph> ... I think of provenance as being a Web connected into the Web of data
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... I think of provenance as being a Web connected into the Web of data ←
13:42:36 <pgroth> agree completely with notion of web of provenance
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Unknown pgroth: agree completely with notion of web of provenance ←
13:42:45 <Ralph> ... a tool and a person are both entities about which you can find out a lot more information
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... a tool and a person are both entities about which you can find out a lot more information ←
13:43:00 <Ralph> ... each arch in the provenance web has its own provenance
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... each arch in the provenance web has its own provenance ←
13:43:11 <sandro> +1 Tim: you need to follow the links in the provenance out to the whole semantic web.
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Unknown sandro: +1 Tim: you need to follow the links in the provenance out to the whole semantic web. ←
13:43:18 <Ralph> ... I do not share Sandro's concern about provenance on provenance on provenance; I think you can ground out eventually
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... I do not share Sandro's concern about provenance on provenance on provenance; I think you can ground out eventually ←
13:43:27 <ivan> q?
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Unknown ivan: q? ←
13:43:53 <Ralph> Sandro: I was referring only to the case of provenance-by-value; I'm sure we will not limit ourselves to just that
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Unknown Sandro: I was referring only to the case of provenance-by-value; I'm sure we will not limit ourselves to just that ←
13:44:06 <Ralph> Tim: even in MIME multi-part you can always have the empty document
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Unknown Tim: even in MIME multi-part you can always have the empty document ←
13:44:13 <Ralph> Sandro: gives by-reference if you want it
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Unknown Sandro: gives by-reference if you want it ←
13:44:17 <ericP> q+ to suggests that associating "Existing Provenance Vocabularies" with use cases might guide help people understand the space, e.g. MAIMI for microarrays and technical trust or mail-headers for chain-of-custody forensics
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Unknown ericP: q+ to suggests that associating "Existing Provenance Vocabularies" with use cases might guide help people understand the space, e.g. MAIMI for microarrays and technical trust or mail-headers for chain-of-custody forensics ←
13:44:22 <Ralph> ... my argument really is that by-reference is required
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... my argument really is that by-reference is required ←
13:44:26 <sandro> Tim, my prov-of-prov concern is ONLY if you do by-value. WIthout my-reference this can't work.
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Unknown sandro: Tim, my prov-of-prov concern is ONLY if you do by-value. WIthout my-reference this can't work. ←
13:44:38 <ivan> ack Ralph
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Unknown ivan: ack Ralph ←
13:44:40 <Ralph> take up item 1
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take up item 1 ←
13:44:46 <Zakim> -Coralie
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Coralie ←
13:45:34 <rigo> RS: why certain relations are in a graph, a piece of SW and we just never finished the work you are attacking now
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Unknown RS: why certain relations are in a graph, a piece of SW and we just never finished the work you are attacking now [ Scribe Assist by Unknown rigo ] ←
13:45:38 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Related_Work_Across_Scenarios
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Related_Work_Across_Scenarios ←
13:46:20 <rigo> ...searched for powder and did not see much. Would be interested in how much XG has looked into Powder and how many use cases would be covered by Powder
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Unknown rigo: ...searched for powder and did not see much. Would be interested in how much XG has looked into Powder and how many use cases would be covered by Powder ←
13:46:47 <sandro> I'm thinking the one bit of protocol needed is a way to tag a representation with a (linked data) URI. Tagging the RESOURCE, as rel=meta does is wrong.
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Unknown sandro: I'm thinking the one bit of protocol needed is a way to tag a representation with a (linked data) URI. Tagging the RESOURCE, as rel=meta does is wrong. ←
13:46:54 <timbl> (Tim wonders how many POWDER clients there are -- would like to try ti in Tabulator -- which does provenance handling)
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Unknown timbl: (Tim wonders how many POWDER clients there are -- would like to try ti in Tabulator -- which does provenance handling) ←
13:47:04 <rigo> ...maybe what changes to Powder must be made
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Unknown rigo: ...maybe what changes to Powder must be made ←
13:47:09 <Ralph> Olaf: partial answer ...
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Unknown Olaf: partial answer ... ←
13:47:18 <Zakim> +Coralie
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13:47:31 <Ralph> ... we viewed POWDER as only for making statements about resources that have URIs
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... we viewed POWDER as only for making statements about resources that have URIs ←
13:47:38 <sandro> q+ to suggest a design
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Unknown sandro: q+ to suggest a design ←
13:47:41 <Ralph> ... we are focussing on provenance for representations of resources
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... we are focussing on provenance for representations of resources ←
13:47:47 <tlr> ha. the old "how to identify a representation" problem.
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Unknown tlr: ha. the old "how to identify a representation" problem. ←
13:47:52 <timbl> q+ about talking about representations
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Unknown timbl: q+ about talking about representations ←
13:47:53 <Ralph> ... I think it is difficult to refer to representations of resources using POWDER
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... I think it is difficult to refer to representations of resources using POWDER ←
13:48:02 <timbl> q+ to about talking about representations
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Unknown timbl: q+ to about talking about representations ←
13:48:07 <Ralph> Ivan: POWDER can be used for anything that has a URI
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Unknown Ivan: POWDER can be used for anything that has a URI ←
13:48:18 <ivan> ack ericP
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Unknown ivan: ack ericP ←
13:48:18 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to suggests that associating "Existing Provenance Vocabularies" with use cases might guide help people understand the space, e.g. MAIMI for microarrays and
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to suggests that associating "Existing Provenance Vocabularies" with use cases might guide help people understand the space, e.g. MAIMI for microarrays and ←
13:48:22 <Zakim> ... technical trust or mail-headers for chain-of-custody forensics
Zakim IRC Bot: ... technical trust or mail-headers for chain-of-custody forensics ←
13:48:22 <Ralph> Eric: using a URI may not uniquely identify a representation
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Unknown Eric: using a URI may not uniquely identify a representation ←
13:48:26 <francois> [POWDER would use the same Link: HTTP header as the "pass by reference" scenario, no?]
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Unknown francois: [POWDER would use the same Link: HTTP header as the "pass by reference" scenario, no?] ←
13:48:56 <kennyluck> francois, yest -> http://www.w3.org/TR/powder-dr/#httplink
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Unknown kennyluck: francois, yest -> http://www.w3.org/TR/powder-dr/#httplink ←
13:48:58 <Ralph> Eric: on the slide with provenance vocabularies; how much does this map help guide people's understanding of the space?
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Unknown Eric: on the slide with provenance vocabularies; how much does this map help guide people's understanding of the space? ←
13:49:34 <Ralph> ... e.g. microarray analysis at one end of a spectrum and mail headers at another point on the spectrum
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... e.g. microarray analysis at one end of a spectrum and mail headers at another point on the spectrum ←
13:49:52 <Ralph> ... have you identified a mapping of specific vocabularies to each use case?
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... have you identified a mapping of specific vocabularies to each use case? ←
13:50:02 <Ralph> Yolanda: we've focussed on mapping terms across vocabularies
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Unknown Yolanda: we've focussed on mapping terms across vocabularies ←
13:50:28 <Ralph> ... e.g. if you use a term from one vocabulary and want to know if there's a related term in another vocabulary
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... e.g. if you use a term from one vocabulary and want to know if there's a related term in another vocabulary ←
13:50:41 <Ralph> ... we thought it would be most useful to help people relate terms between vocabularies
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... we thought it would be most useful to help people relate terms between vocabularies ←
13:50:46 <Ralph> ... we annotate vocabularies using SKOS
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... we annotate vocabularies using SKOS ←
13:50:59 <Ralph> ... we view this as a framework for translating across vocabularies
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... we view this as a framework for translating across vocabularies ←
13:51:12 <Ralph> Eric: pointer to the SKOS map?
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Unknown Eric: pointer to the SKOS map? ←
13:51:16 <Ralph> Yoland: see the wiki
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Unknown Yoland: see the wiki ←
13:51:25 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Vocabulary_Mappings
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Unknown Luc: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Vocabulary_Mappings ←
13:51:27 <ivan> ack sandro
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Unknown ivan: ack sandro ←
13:51:27 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to suggest a design
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to suggest a design ←
13:51:29 <YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Vocabulary_Mappings
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Unknown YolandaGil: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Vocabulary_Mappings ←
13:51:52 <Ralph> Sandro: the answer on protocol is just needing a way to identify the representation
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Unknown Sandro: the answer on protocol is just needing a way to identify the representation ←
13:52:02 <Ralph> ... an HTTP LINK header that can be embedded in HTML [may suffice]
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... an HTTP LINK header that can be embedded in HTML [may suffice] ←
13:52:10 <Ralph> ... some way of saying "this representation has this URI"
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... some way of saying "this representation has this URI" ←
13:52:32 <Ralph> ... with this, everything else is just RDF; no need for new protocols, just vocabularies
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... with this, everything else is just RDF; no need for new protocols, just vocabularies ←
13:52:46 <Ralph> Paul: we agree there's probably not a need for very complex protocols
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Unknown Paul: we agree there's probably not a need for very complex protocols ←
13:53:07 <pgroth> yep
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Unknown pgroth: yep ←
13:53:22 <timbl> q?
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Unknown timbl: q? ←
13:53:36 <Ralph> Yolanda: the XG provided feedback to next generation RDF; it's important to be able to identify parts of RDF graphs
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Unknown Yolanda: the XG provided feedback to next generation RDF; it's important to be able to identify parts of RDF graphs ←
13:53:43 <Ralph> ... identity or sub-identity
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... identity or sub-identity ←
13:53:52 <Ralph> ... to be able to talk about provenance of parts of graphs
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... to be able to talk about provenance of parts of graphs ←
13:53:55 <ivan> ack timbl
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Unknown ivan: ack timbl ←
13:53:55 <Zakim> timbl, you wanted to about talking about representations
Zakim IRC Bot: timbl, you wanted to about talking about representations ←
13:54:04 <Ralph> ... important to have a standard way to refer to graphs
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... important to have a standard way to refer to graphs ←
13:54:18 <Ralph> Tim: worried about the assertion that you can't use existing machinery
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Unknown Tim: worried about the assertion that you can't use existing machinery ←
13:54:26 <Ralph> ... just give things URIs
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... just give things URIs ←
13:54:37 <ivan> q?
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Unknown ivan: q? ←
13:54:56 <Ralph> ... Web pages with advertisement; if the advertising is not important, just use the URI of the page
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... Web pages with advertisement; if the advertising is not important, just use the URI of the page ←
13:55:07 <Ralph> ... I have an ontology for URIs for fixed resources
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... I have an ontology for URIs for fixed resources ←
13:55:18 <Ralph> ... a way to say "this URI will always yield the same representation"
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... a way to say "this URI will always yield the same representation" ←
13:55:34 <Ralph> ... so you can put in the metadata "this is such a URI"
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... so you can put in the metadata "this is such a URI" ←
13:55:51 <Ralph> ... if your provenance data is a dump of a CMS, each resources would get its own URIs
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... if your provenance data is a dump of a CMS, each resources would get its own URIs ←
13:56:01 <pgroth> what is that standard mechanism for doing that?
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Unknown pgroth: what is that standard mechanism for doing that? ←
13:56:12 <Ralph> ... in the SemWeb a representation is like a number
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... in the SemWeb a representation is like a number ←
13:56:22 <Ralph> ... but you can do everything by naming a resource
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... but you can do everything by naming a resource ←
13:56:26 <Ralph> ... and you can name fixed resources
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... and you can name fixed resources ←
13:57:14 <Ralph> ... in POWDER I can't imagine that you'd have one name for, say, a javascript module, and a provenance statement that says "get provenance from this SPARQL server", I would not expect different representations of the metadata at different times
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... in POWDER I can't imagine that you'd have one name for, say, a javascript module, and a provenance statement that says "get provenance from this SPARQL server", I would not expect different representations of the metadata at different times ←
13:57:20 <sandro> Okay, that's an interesting design choice, from Tim. Identify representation (which is just a string after all -- odd to give it a URI) -vs- Link mutable resources with immutable resources (with their own URLs).
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Unknown sandro: Okay, that's an interesting design choice, from Tim. Identify representation (which is just a string after all -- odd to give it a URI) -vs- Link mutable resources with immutable resources (with their own URLs). ←
13:57:29 <Ralph> ... I'd expect to be able to find all the [metadata] information from the same source
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... I'd expect to be able to find all the [metadata] information from the same source ←
13:57:55 <Ralph> ... a content-negotiated resource would come with a Location: header that specifies, e.g. a GIF representation vs. a PING representation
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... a content-negotiated resource would come with a Location: header that specifies, e.g. a GIF representation vs. a PING representation ←
13:58:00 <ivan> rrsagent, set log member
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, set log member ←
13:58:22 <Ralph> Olaf: with resources that change frequently the representation of the RDF graph will change often
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Unknown Olaf: with resources that change frequently the representation of the RDF graph will change often ←
13:58:33 <Ralph> ... so you have to mint a new URI whenever someone queries the resources
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... so you have to mint a new URI whenever someone queries the resources ←
13:58:46 <Ralph> Tim: if the database has a journalling system you just append the length of the journal
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Unknown Tim: if the database has a journalling system you just append the length of the journal ←
13:58:58 <Ralph> Eric: you can uniquely identify, but not necessarily recover
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Unknown Eric: you can uniquely identify, but not necessarily recover ←
13:59:06 <ivan> q?
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Unknown ivan: q? ←
13:59:06 <Ralph> Tim: depends on the sophistication of the journalling system
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Unknown Tim: depends on the sophistication of the journalling system ←
13:59:14 <Zakim> -Ian
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13:59:27 <Ralph> ... minting a new URI is not difficult; can even put date & time on the end
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... minting a new URI is not difficult; can even put date & time on the end ←
13:59:33 <Ralph> ... but only do it when it's really useful
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... but only do it when it's really useful ←
13:59:43 <ivan> ack Ralph
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Unknown ivan: ack Ralph ←
13:59:43 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to talk about resources
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13:59:45 <Ralph> ... probably would just want URIs for versions in the CMS, not for every timestamp
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... probably would just want URIs for versions in the CMS, not for every timestamp ←
14:00:19 <timbl> Ralph: I just ewantedt re-emphasize the poin that URIs an only refer to physical things -- they cn refer to conceptial things
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Unknown Ralph: I just ewantedt re-emphasize the poin that URIs an only refer to physical things -- they cn refer to conceptial things [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl ] ←
14:00:28 <Zakim> -francois
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14:00:36 <rigo> RS: re-emphasize the point: misperception that URIs can only refer to physical things, they can also refer to conceptional things
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Unknown RS: re-emphasize the point: misperception that URIs can only refer to physical things, they can also refer to conceptional things [ Scribe Assist by Unknown rigo ] ←
14:00:53 <Steven> q+
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Unknown Steven: q+ ←
14:00:53 <timbl> Ralph: We have a lot of prorocol alreay to say "I can't return the thing you asked for, but I can return you things about that thing (like a person)".
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Unknown Ralph: We have a lot of prorocol alreay to say "I can't return the thing you asked for, but I can return you things about that thing (like a person)". [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl ] ←
14:01:05 <rigo> ... can't return you TimBL, but can return lots of information about TimBL,
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Unknown rigo: ... can't return you TimBL, but can return lots of information about TimBL, ←
14:01:06 <timbl> ... We have for example in HTTP tools like that
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Unknown timbl: ... We have for example in HTTP tools like that ←
14:01:18 <timbl> (like 303 - tim)
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Unknown timbl: (like 303 - tim) ←
14:01:21 <rigo> ...methods exist that allow to reference multiple representations
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Unknown rigo: ...methods exist that allow to reference multiple representations ←
14:01:50 <tlr> q+
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Unknown tlr: q+ ←
14:02:04 <timbl> Ralph: Anything which you can think about you can give a name to -- so when an artefact changes over time and has many reporesentations, that should be no problem
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Unknown Ralph: Anything which you can think about you can give a name to -- so when an artefact changes over time and has many reporesentations, that should be no problem [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl ] ←
14:02:10 <rigo> ...machine of web will allow you to exchange info about a thing that you've given a name. Thus time etc is not a fundamental problem as long as it can be addressed by URI
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Unknown rigo: ...machine of web will allow you to exchange info about a thing that you've given a name. Thus time etc is not a fundamental problem as long as it can be addressed by URI ←
14:02:12 <Zakim> +francois
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14:02:13 <ivan> ack Steven
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Unknown ivan: ack Steven ←
14:02:17 <francois> zakim, mute me
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Unknown francois: zakim, mute me ←
14:02:17 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
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14:02:24 <timbl> ... We have a lot of deplyed machinery or dealing with these URIs.
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Unknown timbl: ... We have a lot of deplyed machinery or dealing with these URIs. ←
14:02:32 <Ralph> Steven: the purist in me likes the view Ralph represented
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Unknown Steven: the purist in me likes the view Ralph represented ←
14:02:46 <Ralph> ... but a lot of people have a great deal of difficulty getting their heads around this
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... but a lot of people have a great deal of difficulty getting their heads around this ←
14:02:53 <Ralph> ... when they get 404 they think something is broken
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... when they get 404 they think something is broken ←
14:03:08 <Ralph> ... since they have an idea of what http: "usually" means, they think 404 means "broken"
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... since they have an idea of what http: "usually" means, they think 404 means "broken" ←
14:03:24 <tlr> q-
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Unknown tlr: q- ←
14:03:34 <Ralph> ... the tricks we've used in the SemWeb such as "#me" on the end are so hacky in my view as to be harmful, since people think they are broken
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... the tricks we've used in the SemWeb such as "#me" on the end are so hacky in my view as to be harmful, since people think they are broken ←
14:03:50 <sandro> +1 Steven
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Unknown sandro: +1 Steven ←
14:03:54 <Ralph> ... I know people who think that if there is no ID with the value "me" in the page, something is broken
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... I know people who think that if there is no ID with the value "me" in the page, something is broken ←
14:04:27 <Steven> I prefer "primaryTopicOf" to #me, for the record
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Unknown Steven: I prefer "primaryTopicOf" to #me, for the record ←
14:04:30 <ericP> +1 to "there's a cost to changing fragment behavoirs across media types"
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Unknown ericP: +1 to "there's a cost to changing fragment behavoirs across media types" ←
14:04:33 <Ralph> Tim: #me asserts [something]. I don't understand the 404 point
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Unknown Tim: #me asserts [something]. I don't understand the 404 point ←
14:04:38 <timbl> Agenda+ "#me and 404" from Steven
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Unknown timbl: Agenda+ "#me and 404" from Steven ←
14:05:04 <sandro> q?
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Unknown sandro: q? ←
14:05:08 <Zakim> -Steven
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14:05:20 <Ralph> Ivan: what is the timing for the XG? when might we get an idea of what a WG charter might be?
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Unknown Ivan: what is the timing for the XG? when might we get an idea of what a WG charter might be? ←
14:05:41 <pgroth> think it would be good for the prov-xg to look again at powder
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Unknown pgroth: think it would be good for the prov-xg to look again at powder ←
14:05:47 <Zakim> -Dsr
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14:05:50 <Ralph> Yolanda: the XG was extended by 2 months; we now end on 30 Nov and I do not anticipate a charter before then
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Unknown Yolanda: the XG was extended by 2 months; we now end on 30 Nov and I do not anticipate a charter before then ←
14:05:53 <pgroth> especially when writing the charter
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Unknown pgroth: especially when writing the charter ←
14:06:09 <Luc> yes, agreed paul,
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Unknown Luc: yes, agreed paul, ←
14:06:18 <Zakim> -Keio
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14:06:25 <Ralph> Ivan: looking for the XG to have consensus on a charter
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Unknown Ivan: looking for the XG to have consensus on a charter ←
14:06:45 <Ralph> Sandro: I'd like to hear what decisions remain to be made for a charter
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Unknown Sandro: I'd like to hear what decisions remain to be made for a charter ←
14:07:06 <Ralph> Ivan: propose to adjourn and allow follow-up discussion
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Unknown Ivan: propose to adjourn and allow follow-up discussion ←
14:07:14 <pgroth> yeah ralph!
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Unknown pgroth: yeah ralph! ←
14:07:27 <pgroth> for also guessing who's talking
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Unknown pgroth: for also guessing who's talking ←
14:07:35 <Ralph> [adjourned]
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[adjourned] ←
14:07:40 <Zakim> -francois
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14:07:44 <Ralph> Topic: post-Meeting discussion
14:07:50 <Ralph> Sandro: what's unsettled in the charter?
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Unknown Sandro: what's unsettled in the charter? ←
14:07:51 <matt> zakim, drop me
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Unknown matt: zakim, drop me ←
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14:08:06 <Ralph> Yolanda: happy to share what's happening in the group
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Unknown Yolanda: happy to share what's happening in the group ←
14:08:19 <Ralph> ... but you should know that we have had limited participation from industry
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... but you should know that we have had limited participation from industry ←
14:08:37 <Ralph> ... so we're trying to get a sense of what would help get industry involvement in a WG
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... so we're trying to get a sense of what would help get industry involvement in a WG ←
14:08:50 <Ralph> ... current XG participants are primarily academics
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... current XG participants are primarily academics ←
14:08:56 <Ralph> Sandro: any input from NASA?
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Unknown Sandro: any input from NASA? ←
14:09:19 <Ralph> ... I know provenance is something they're very interested in. I have a contact
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... I know provenance is something they're very interested in. I have a contact ←
14:09:29 <Ralph> ... perhaps I could forward an XG document to my contact
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... perhaps I could forward an XG document to my contact ←
14:10:00 <Ralph> ... NASA has a lot of interest in managing provenance for the huge amount of data they have
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... NASA has a lot of interest in managing provenance for the huge amount of data they have ←
14:10:13 <Ralph> Yolanda: I would be happy to talk with your NASA contacts
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Unknown Yolanda: I would be happy to talk with your NASA contacts ←
14:10:22 <Ralph> ... send them a pointer to the XG wiki too
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... send them a pointer to the XG wiki too ←
14:10:45 <Ralph> ... there's many aspects of provenance that people have worked on
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... there's many aspects of provenance that people have worked on ←
14:10:47 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:10:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-prov-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-prov-minutes.html ivan ←
14:11:03 <Ralph> ... we want a language that can do simple things but it's hard to get agreement on specifics
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... we want a language that can do simple things but it's hard to get agreement on specifics ←
14:11:33 <Ralph> Sandro: RDF or NotRDF?
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Unknown Sandro: RDF or NotRDF? ←
14:11:51 <Ralph> Yolanda: we've not discussed that -- I can't give you a sense of what the consensus might be, though my personal preference is RDF
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Unknown Yolanda: we've not discussed that -- I can't give you a sense of what the consensus might be, though my personal preference is RDF ←
14:12:13 <Ralph> Paul: most people would be happy to have a common way to represent and exchange provenance and it would be RDF
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Unknown Paul: most people would be happy to have a common way to represent and exchange provenance and it would be RDF ←
14:12:32 <Ralph> ... the question is whether we have a consensus on where to start and whether we have a starting vocabulary
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... the question is whether we have a consensus on where to start and whether we have a starting vocabulary ←
14:12:53 <Ralph> Sandro: [hope there are not] people in the group who question whether to use RDF? That would waste a year.
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Unknown Sandro: [hope there are not] people in the group who question whether to use RDF? That would waste a year. ←
14:13:09 <Ralph> Paul: some have said "we want RDF and something else"; perhaps an XML version
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Unknown Paul: some have said "we want RDF and something else"; perhaps an XML version ←
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14:13:23 <Ralph> ... I don't think that's where problems in reaching consensus lie
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... I don't think that's where problems in reaching consensus lie ←
14:13:46 <Ralph> Sandro: if you use RDF then you can use SPARQL; otherwise you'd have to reinvent all that
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Unknown Sandro: if you use RDF then you can use SPARQL; otherwise you'd have to reinvent all that ←
14:14:07 <Ralph> ... I think the only way to proceed with this work is to mandate RDF but sometimes that is a political lightning rod in some communities
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... I think the only way to proceed with this work is to mandate RDF but sometimes that is a political lightning rod in some communities ←
14:14:17 <Ralph> Tim: write the charter as "produce an ontology"
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Unknown Tim: write the charter as "produce an ontology" ←
14:14:28 <Ralph> ... write the charter the same way this presentation was done; assume RDF, SPARQL, etc.
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... write the charter the same way this presentation was done; assume RDF, SPARQL, etc. ←
14:14:47 <Ralph> ... say "the group will define an ontology and the capabilities of a SPARQL endpoint"
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... say "the group will define an ontology and the capabilities of a SPARQL endpoint" ←
14:14:58 <Ralph> Ivan: I scanned the mailing list and saw a lot of exiting vocabularies
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Unknown Ivan: I scanned the mailing list and saw a lot of existing vocabularies ←
14:15:09 <Ralph> ... which means there's a lot of vested interest in existing vocabularies
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... which means there's a lot of vested interest in existing vocabularies ←
14:15:14 <Luc> q+
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Unknown Luc: q+ ←
14:15:14 <Ralph> s/exiting/existing
14:15:38 <Ralph> ... the issues appear to me to be how to reconcile the several vocabularies
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... the issues appear to me to be how to reconcile the several vocabularies ←
14:16:03 <Ralph> Tim: W3C is specifically designed to help solve exactly this challenge of reconciling existing work
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Unknown Tim: W3C is specifically designed to help solve exactly this challenge of reconciling existing work ←
14:16:25 <Ralph> ... not charter a group to make a new ontology but to pick and choose terms from existing ontologies
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... not charter a group to make a new ontology but to pick and choose terms from existing ontologies ←
14:16:41 <Ralph> ... you may want to copy terms into a new, more persistent, namespace
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... you may want to copy terms into a new, more persistent, namespace ←
14:16:59 <Ralph> ... but if FOAF, OWL, etc. already have terms you need then the WG can just select them
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... but if FOAF, OWL, etc. already have terms you need then the WG can just select them ←
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14:17:15 <Ralph> ... we don't have a term for a new ontology that collects terms that already exist
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... we don't have a term for a new ontology that collects terms that already exist ←
14:17:33 <Ralph> Yolanda: should we try now to say "this is our core set of terms" or is it too early?
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Unknown Yolanda: should we try now to say "this is our core set of terms" or is it too early? ←
14:17:45 <Ralph> ... what is the boundary between the XG and a WG?
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... what is the boundary between the XG and a WG? ←
14:17:53 <Ralph> Tim: the XG specifies a scope
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Unknown Tim: the XG specifies a scope ←
14:18:30 <ericP> i think Yolanda's spot on in starting with a strawman
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Unknown ericP: i think Yolanda's spot on in starting with a strawman ←
14:18:30 <Ralph> ... I'd expect the charter to say 'the resulting set of terms will allow you to specify the following ....'
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... I'd expect the charter to say 'the resulting set of terms will allow you to specify the following ....' ←
14:18:42 <Ralph> ... list the kinds of things you want the ontology to be able to talk about
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... list the kinds of things you want the ontology to be able to talk about ←
14:19:14 <Ralph> ... you might do a transformation tool but I suspect you wouldn't want to
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... you might do a transformation tool but I suspect you wouldn't want to ←
14:19:24 <Ralph> Sandro: we often start WGs with a starting point
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Unknown Sandro: we often start WGs with a starting point ←
14:19:54 <Ralph> Tim: we need to understand how ontology development groups should work
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Unknown Tim: we need to understand how ontology development groups should work ←
14:20:31 <Ralph> ... could consider terms as being members of a set, with each term having a 'state'
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... could consider terms as being members of a set, with each term having a 'state' ←
14:20:44 <Ralph> ... see the FOAF 'stable', 'not stable' sets
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... see the FOAF 'stable', 'not stable' sets ←
14:21:11 <Ralph> ... the state of a term can change as the WG reaches consensus
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... the state of a term can change as the WG reaches consensus ←
14:21:19 <tlr> thanks Yolanda & friends, and Ivan for chairing!
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Unknown tlr: thanks Yolanda & friends, and Ivan for chairing! ←
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14:21:33 <Ralph> Luc: we didn't really thing "RDF or not RDF" was a question
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Unknown Luc: we didn't really thing "RDF or not RDF" was a question ←
14:21:49 <Ralph> ... I was thinking about an abstract model that could be serialized in several ways
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... I was thinking about an abstract model that could be serialized in several ways ←
14:21:56 <Ralph> ... like RDF has an abstract model
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... like RDF has an abstract model ←
14:22:07 <Ralph> ... I'm personally quite keen on starting with an abstract model
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... I'm personally quite keen on starting with an abstract model ←
14:22:35 <Ralph> ... can more easily talk about things that could be awkward to express given serializations
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... can more easily talk about things that could be awkward to express given serializations ←
14:22:44 <Ralph> Tim: yes, have an abstract model but express it in RDF
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Unknown Tim: yes, have an abstract model but express it in RDF ←
14:23:05 <Ralph> ... if you're doing something very mathematically sophisticated I might worry
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... if you're doing something very mathematically sophisticated I might worry ←
14:23:15 <Ralph> ... use any serialization of RDF for talking about it
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... use any serialization of RDF for talking about it ←
14:23:37 <Ralph> ... RDF is simple and abstract. RDF classes don't constrain you very much
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... RDF is simple and abstract. RDF classes don't constrain you very much ←
14:23:46 <Ralph> ... if you need a different abstract model than RDF, I'd like to know why
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... if you need a different abstract model than RDF, I'd like to know why ←
14:23:58 <Ralph> Luc: the challenge we saw was the sort of reasoning you might do over the structures
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Unknown Luc: the challenge we saw was the sort of reasoning you might do over the structures ←
14:24:15 <Ralph> ... we felt that some things were not easily expressed using OWL
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... we felt that some things were not easily expressed using OWL ←
14:24:22 <Ralph> ... we needed various rule mechanisms
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... we needed various rule mechanisms ←
14:24:34 <Ralph> Time: yes, but the data is present in the RDF model
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Unknown Time: yes, but the data is present in the RDF model ←
14:24:45 <Ralph> ... use RIF or N3 rules or whatever
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... use RIF or N3 rules or whatever ←
14:24:58 <Ralph> ... a lot of people find rules easier, especially for mapping between ontologies
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... a lot of people find rules easier, especially for mapping between ontologies ←
14:25:08 <Ralph> ... rules are a simple way of getting consensus in a group
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... rules are a simple way of getting consensus in a group ←
14:25:22 <Ralph> Ivan: agree that this area calls more for a rules-based approach than for OWL
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Unknown Ivan: agree that this area calls more for a rules-based approach than for OWL ←
14:25:53 <ivan> Thanks a lot to Yolanda, Olaf, Paul, and Luc, it was a great presentation
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Unknown ivan: Thanks a lot to Yolanda, Olaf, Paul, and Luc, it was a great presentation ←
14:25:57 <Ralph> Tim: by "ontology" I did not necessarily mean "OWL"; I meant just "a set of terms"
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Unknown Tim: by "ontology" I did not necessarily mean "OWL"; I meant just "a set of terms" ←
14:25:57 <Luc> i think there is more than just a vocabulary for provenance
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Unknown Luc: i think there is more than just a vocabulary for provenance ←
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14:26:24 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:26:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-prov-minutes.html ivan
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14:26:28 <YolandaGil> many thanks for having us today!
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Unknown YolandaGil: many thanks for having us today! ←
14:26:32 <pgroth> thanks!
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Unknown pgroth: thanks! ←
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14:26:38 <Luc> thanks
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Unknown Luc: thanks ←
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14:26:39 <Luc> bye
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14:27:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-prov-minutes.html Ralph
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14:27:04 <Zakim> Team_Global(review)8:00AM has ended
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14:27:05 <Zakim> Attendees were Alexandre, Jeff, Philippe, Ralph, Doug_Schepers, Karen_Myers, Shawn, Matt, Coralie, Kazuyuki, Jeanne, Kenny, Ivan, Ian, francois, Klaus, Mcf, Dsr, Rigo, Bert, shadi,
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14:27:07 <Zakim> ... TimBL, Steven, Thomas, Philipp, Ted, EricP, +49.302.093.aaaa, Yolanda, olaf, Luc, Sandro, pgroth?, Jose
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14:27:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-prov-minutes.html Ralph
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16:43:46 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
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