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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 10 June 2009

Present
Martin Dzbor, Antoine Zimmermann, Ivan Herman, Ian Horrocks, Markus Krötzsch, Sandro Hawke, Jie Bao, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Peter Patel-Schneider, Rinke Hoekstra, Zhe Wu, Michael Smith, Achille Fokoue, Christine Golbreich
Regrets
Michael Schneider
Chair
Ian Horrocks
Scribe
Martin Dzbor
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
<MartinD> PRESENT: MartinD, zimmer, Ivan, IanH, MarkusK_, Sandro, baojie, bcuencagrau, pfps, Rinke, Zhe, msmith, Achille, christine
<MartinD> CHAIR: IanH
<MartinD> REGRETS: Michael_Schneider
16:41:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-owl-irc

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16:41:37 <MartinD> ScribeNick: MartinD

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16:48:41 <sandro> zakim, this will be owl

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Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be owl

16:48:41 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

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16:49:20 <MartinD> RRSagent, make records public

RRSagent, make records public

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16:54:51 <Zakim> + +0190827aaaa

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16:55:00 <MartinD> Zakim, aaaa is me

Zakim, aaaa is me

16:55:00 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it

16:56:51 <Zakim> + +03539149aabb

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16:57:01 <zimmer> Zakim, +03539149aabb is me

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, +03539149aabb is me

16:57:01 <Zakim> +zimmer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +zimmer; got it

16:57:23 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

16:57:23 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

16:57:25 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

16:57:42 <Zakim> +IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH

16:58:24 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public

Ian Horrocks: RRSAgent, make records public

16:58:36 <Zakim> +??P4

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16:58:39 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2009.06.10/Agenda

Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2009.06.10/Agenda

16:59:24 <IanH> I see Martin did all the set up stuff already -- thanks!

Ian Horrocks: I see Martin did all the set up stuff already -- thanks!

17:00:21 <MartinD> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

17:00:21 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted

17:00:26 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

17:00:31 <Zakim> +baojie

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17:01:21 <Zakim> +bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm

17:01:29 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, bglimm is bcuencagrau

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, bglimm is bcuencagrau

17:01:29 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

17:01:34 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

17:01:34 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

17:01:47 <MartinD> topic: Admin matters

1. Admin matters

17:01:53 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see MartinD (muted), zimmer, Ivan, IanH, MarkusK_, Sandro, baojie, bcuencagrau (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MartinD (muted), zimmer, Ivan, IanH, MarkusK_, Sandro, baojie, bcuencagrau (muted)

17:01:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see baojie, bcuencagrau, Rinke, MarkusK_, zimmer, ivan, Zakim, MartinD, IanH, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see baojie, bcuencagrau, Rinke, MarkusK_, zimmer, ivan, Zakim, MartinD, IanH, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot

17:02:09 <MartinD> IanH: any agenda amendments?

Ian Horrocks: any agenda amendments?

17:02:19 <Zakim> +pfps

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17:02:21 <Zakim> + +2

Zakim IRC Bot: + +2

17:02:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:02:26 <MartinD> IanH: I saw the previous minutes need some cleanup

Ian Horrocks: I saw the previous minutes need some cleanup

17:02:27 <Rinke> zakim, +2 is me

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, +2 is me

17:02:27 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it

17:02:32 <Rinke> zakim, mute me

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, mute me

17:02:32 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke should now be muted

17:03:08 <MartinD> ... minutes cannot be accepted in their current shape, I will talk to Bijan

... minutes cannot be accepted in their current shape, I will talk to Bijan

17:03:39 <MartinD> subtopic: Action items status

1.1. Action items status

17:03:48 <MartinD> IanH: both items were completed

Ian Horrocks: both items were completed

17:03:40 <pfps> they're done

Peter Patel-Schneider: they're done

17:04:00 <pfps> ... at least, they *better* be done!

Peter Patel-Schneider: ... at least, they *better* be done!

17:04:00 <MartinD> IanH: no overdue actions, let's move on

Ian Horrocks: no overdue actions, let's move on

17:04:10 <MartinD> topic: Status of the OWL WG documents

2. Status of the OWL WG documents

17:04:19 <MartinD> subtopic: Plain literals spec

2.1. Plain literals spec

17:04:36 <pfps> we hope everything holds together

Peter Patel-Schneider: we hope everything holds together

17:04:53 <MartinD> IanH: thanks goes to Sandro and Peter to make sure things were wrapped up and look good

Ian Horrocks: thanks goes to Sandro and Peter to make sure things were wrapped up and look good

17:05:17 <MartinD> ... there is a formal vote on the exit criteria

... there is a formal vote on the exit criteria

17:06:07 <MartinD> ... this needs to be updated, as the problem with rdf:text, now rdf:PlainLiteral, is no longer there

... this needs to be updated, as the problem with rdf:text, now rdf:PlainLiteral, is no longer there

17:06:35 <Zakim> +Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe

17:06:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:06:45 <MartinD> Sandro: I don't think we need to do anything like implementation of literals; it's mostly about referencing

Sandro Hawke: I don't think we need to do anything like implementation of literals; it's mostly about referencing

17:06:51 <MartinD> IanH: any other comments? see also http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/CR_Exit_Criteria for general information on exit criteria

Ian Horrocks: any other comments? see also http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/CR_Exit_Criteria for general information on exit criteria

17:07:04 <MartinD> subtopic: Status report on the publication drafts

2.2. Status report on the publication drafts

17:07:12 <MartinD> IanH: all in good shape

Ian Horrocks: all in good shape

17:07:25 <MartinD> Sandro: yes, they are all in good shape

Sandro Hawke: yes, they are all in good shape

17:07:33 <Zakim> +msmith1

Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith1

17:08:01 <MartinD> IanH: I sent an email and people responded, pointers associated with people/editors are mixed, some point to homepage, some to OWL wiki...

Ian Horrocks: I sent an email and people responded, pointers associated with people/editors are mixed, some point to homepage, some to OWL wiki...

17:08:03 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

17:08:24 <MartinD> ... please check what URL is associated with your name if you are an editor, whether it's the right one

... please check what URL is associated with your name if you are an editor, whether it's the right one

17:08:45 <MartinD> subtopic: Transition to CR (Candidate Recommendation)

2.3. Transition to CR (Candidate Recommendation)

17:09:06 <MartinD> IanH: the status is that all things are "go"... got approval from the director today

Ian Horrocks: the status is that all things are "go"... got approval from the director today

17:09:25 <MartinD> IanH: congratulations to everyone

Ian Horrocks: congratulations to everyone

17:09:44 <MartinD> Sandro: we can be optimistic that we would have it formally online in the next few days

Sandro Hawke: we can be optimistic that we would have it formally online in the next few days

17:10:14 <MartinD> IanH: still a few minor hurdles, most administrative... it's likely to appear tomorrow or in a few days

Ian Horrocks: still a few minor hurdles, most administrative... it's likely to appear tomorrow or in a few days

17:10:33 <MartinD> ... big thanks to Sandro for working on getting the docs out as early as tomorrow

... big thanks to Sandro for working on getting the docs out as early as tomorrow

17:10:51 <MartinD> Sandro: and also thanks to all those contributing to the work

Sandro Hawke: and also thanks to all those contributing to the work

17:11:17 <MartinD> subtopic: Transition to LC (Last Call)

2.4. Transition to LC (Last Call)

17:11:31 <MartinD> IanH: status is also good, docs are planned to go out shortly...

Ian Horrocks: status is also good, docs are planned to go out shortly...

17:11:34 <Achille> zakim, ibm is me

Achille Fokoue: zakim, ibm is me

17:11:34 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

17:11:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:12:13 <pfps> not a serious problem

Peter Patel-Schneider: not a serious problem

17:12:17 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

17:12:27 <MartinD> Sandro: my script doesn't know about notes, not sure how to publish syntax doc - as a note? but it's not a big issue at the moment

Sandro Hawke: my script doesn't know about notes, not sure how to publish syntax doc - as a note? but it's not a big issue at the moment

17:12:37 <christine> zakim, ??P14 is me

Christine Golbreich: zakim, ??P14 is me

17:12:37 <Zakim> +christine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +christine; got it

17:12:41 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:12:45 <MartinD> ... more work needs to be done on this

... more work needs to be done on this

17:12:59 <MartinD> IanH: we can focus on other things that need to be done in the near future

Ian Horrocks: we can focus on other things that need to be done in the near future

17:13:04 <MartinD> TOPIC: Issues/comments

3. Issues/comments

17:13:22 <MartinD> IanH: a few issues still trailing, partly queries from the review process

Ian Horrocks: a few issues still trailing, partly queries from the review process

17:13:54 <MartinD> IanH: first, comment from Benjamin on RL profile ( http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/BG1 )

Ian Horrocks: first, comment from Benjamin on RL profile ( http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/BG1 )

17:14:02 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:14:04 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:14:10 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

17:14:10 <MartinD> ... do we want to raise this into an issue form or ?

... do we want to raise this into an issue form or ?

17:14:49 <MartinD> pfps: some changes he suggests go in less desirable direction, we made some changes for him, he was 'minimally' satisfied with those

Peter Patel-Schneider: some changes he suggests go in less desirable direction, we made some changes for him, he was 'minimally' satisfied with those

17:15:23 <MartinD> IanH: I think I added both those references at the end, we can certainly use the alternative references as he suggests, would hurt the content

Ian Horrocks: I think I added both those references at the end, we can certainly use the alternative references as he suggests, would hurt the content

17:15:25 <pfps> the more references the merrier :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: the more references the merrier :-)

17:15:46 <pfps> that might be a minimal response

Peter Patel-Schneider: that might be a minimal response

17:15:50 <MartinD> ... not yet there, but can be done, is this sufficient?

... not yet there, but can be done, is this sufficient?

17:15:55 <Zhe> sounds good

Zhe Wu: sounds good

17:16:27 <MartinD> ... ok, I will make that amendment and go back to Benjamin - if this satisfies his comment without deeper changes, good; if not, let's see what can be done

... ok, I will make that amendment and go back to Benjamin - if this satisfies his comment without deeper changes, good; if not, let's see what can be done

17:16:51 <MartinD> IanH: next, Michael's question on forest-like anonymous individuals

Ian Horrocks: next, Michael's question on forest-like anonymous individuals

17:16:57 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:17:10 <MartinD> ... the syntax wasn't clear on this, did editors have chance to look at this?

... the syntax wasn't clear on this, did editors have chance to look at this?

17:17:28 <MartinD> pfps: we may need to do an update on that explanation, it was slightly ambiguous

Peter Patel-Schneider: we may need to do an update on that explanation, it was slightly ambiguous

17:17:38 <MartinD> IanH: esp. unclear wrt. roles

Ian Horrocks: esp. unclear wrt. roles

17:17:54 <MartinD> pfps: Ian to liase with Boris to get this fixed

Peter Patel-Schneider: Ian to liase with Boris to get this fixed

17:18:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH

17:18:32 <MartinD> ACTION: Ian to ask Boris to make a relevant editorial change in the syntax document to address Michael's points

ACTION: Ian to ask Boris to make a relevant editorial change in the syntax document to address Michael's points

17:18:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - Ask Boris to make a relevant editorial change in the syntax document to address Michael's points [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-06-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-341 - Ask Boris to make a relevant editorial change in the syntax document to address Michael's points [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-06-17].

17:19:01 <MartinD> Ian: I should also take formal action on Benjamin's comment

Ian Horrocks: I should also take formal action on Benjamin's comment

17:19:23 <IanH> ACTION: Ian to add extra reference and check with Benjamin if this satisfies his requirements

ACTION: Ian to add extra reference and check with Benjamin if this satisfies his requirements

17:19:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - Add extra reference and check with Benjamin if this satisfies his requirements [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-06-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-342 - Add extra reference and check with Benjamin if this satisfies his requirements [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-06-17].

17:19:57 <MartinD> Ian: the last thing was Alan's comment on abbreviation form of literals, did Peter respond to this?

Ian Horrocks: the last thing was Alan's comment on abbreviation form of literals, did Peter respond to this?

17:20:16 <MartinD> Peter: this has been done, part of a previous action point

Peter Patel-Schneider: this has been done, part of a previous action point

17:20:17 <msmith> Boris's edits to syntax were very helpful for these literals

Michael Smith: Boris's edits to syntax were very helpful for these literals

17:20:28 <MartinD> Ian: any other points to be discussed?

Ian Horrocks: any other points to be discussed?

17:20:48 <MartinD> Peter: can we make a comment about references? making them more  uniform, etc?

Peter Patel-Schneider: can we make a comment about references? making them more uniform, etc?

17:21:04 <MartinD> ... at some point we would need to do some cleanup and make them more uniform

... at some point we would need to do some cleanup and make them more uniform

17:21:32 <MartinD> ... some macros are already fairly uniform, but references from text look ugly

... some macros are already fairly uniform, but references from text look ugly

17:21:52 <MartinD> Ian: I agree, some of them don't help with reading the text

Ian Horrocks: I agree, some of them don't help with reading the text

17:22:18 <MartinD> ... since it's mostly done manually, almost every of these references needs to changed by hand

... since it's mostly done manually, almost every of these references needs to changed by hand

17:22:47 <MartinD> Sandro: maybe we can replace them by macros, at the point of going through...

Sandro Hawke: maybe we can replace them by macros, at the point of going through...

17:22:56 <MartinD> Ian: do we want to record this as an issue?

Ian Horrocks: do we want to record this as an issue?

17:24:22 <MartinD> Ian: I take the action on me to discuss this unification with the editors of the documents to see if they are willing to do anything with it

Ian Horrocks: I take the action on me to discuss this unification with the editors of the documents to see if they are willing to do anything with it

17:24:30 <IanH> ACTION: Ian to discuss with editors the possibility of improving the citation style

ACTION: Ian to discuss with editors the possibility of improving the citation style

17:24:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Discuss with editors the possibility of improving the citation style [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-06-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-343 - Discuss with editors the possibility of improving the citation style [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-06-17].

17:25:02 <MartinD> Ian: this is not exactly urgent, but let's have it recorded, any other issues?

Ian Horrocks: this is not exactly urgent, but let's have it recorded, any other issues?

17:25:08 <MartinD> TOPIC: Implementation and testing

4. Implementation and testing

17:25:10 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

17:25:17 <MartinD> Ian: not much to say on this?

Ian Horrocks: not much to say on this?

17:25:17 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

17:25:44 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:25:49 <MartinD> Mike: nothing to discuss, but I expect to have the queue of test cases down to zero next week...

Michael Smith: nothing to discuss, but I expect to have the queue of test cases down to zero next week...

17:26:05 <MartinD> Ian: if tests are approved, do you think we have sufficient coverage?

Ian Horrocks: if tests are approved, do you think we have sufficient coverage?

17:26:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:26:29 <MartinD> Mike: it would be nice if we had... I guess there should be enough coverage

Michael Smith: it would be nice if we had... I guess there should be enough coverage

17:26:36 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

17:26:43 <MartinD> ... enough for syntactic items, tests should be sufficient

... enough for syntactic items, tests should be sufficient

17:27:04 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:27:06 <MartinD> Ivan: do the upcoming tests include those that Michael prepared? I look a while ago and some are still empty

Ivan Herman: do the upcoming tests include those that Michael prepared? I look a while ago and some are still empty

17:27:48 <MartinD> ... we have a tight schedule, we don't have tests for some aspects... they were promised, but when do we expect them to happen?

... we have a tight schedule, we don't have tests for some aspects... they were promised, but when do we expect them to happen?

17:28:03 <MartinD> Ian: I will clarify this by email...

Ian Horrocks: I will clarify this by email...

17:28:04 <MartinD> ... Mike is getting through them pretty quickly

... Mike is getting through them pretty quickly

17:28:05 <msmith> yes

Michael Smith: yes

17:28:15 <MarkusK_> Michael already was looking at uploading his tests recently, and had some very concrete technical questions; I assume they could be ready rather soon

Markus Krötzsch: Michael already was looking at uploading his tests recently, and had some very concrete technical questions; I assume they could be ready rather soon

17:28:29 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:28:54 <MartinD> Ivan: next Ian and me should see potential testers for RL, so it's important

Ivan Herman: next Ian and me should see potential testers for RL, so it's important

17:29:08 <MartinD> Ian: I will communicate with Michael to accelerate this upload

Ian Horrocks: I will communicate with Michael to accelerate this upload

17:29:28 <msmith> I heard from Dmitry, and he was asking about submitting FaCT++ results

Michael Smith: I heard from Dmitry, and he was asking about submitting FaCT++ results

17:29:29 <MartinD> Ian: I heard from Uli that Italian people ran the tests and will be submitting their results shortly

Ian Horrocks: I heard from Uli that Italian people ran the tests and will be submitting their results shortly

17:30:28 <MartinD> Ian: everyone who is an implementer or if you know implementers, please, submit results, it's straightforward

Ian Horrocks: everyone who is an implementer or if you know implementers, please, submit results, it's straightforward

17:30:40 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:30:43 <MartinD> ... talk to us how to make the upload even easier (if necessary)

... talk to us how to make the upload even easier (if necessary)

17:31:12 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

17:31:12 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted

17:31:22 <msmith> this link I think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Running_Guide

Michael Smith: this link I think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Running_Guide

17:31:27 <MartinD> Ivan: would it be possible to put all the necessary links for the tests on the web page? now there are only test results, but the other links should be equally prominent on the homepage

Ivan Herman: would it be possible to put all the necessary links for the tests on the web page? now there are only test results, but the other links should be equally prominent on the homepage

17:31:48 <MartinD> Ian: anything else on implementation and/or testing?

Ian Horrocks: anything else on implementation and/or testing?

17:32:11 <MartinD> ... I heard the progress was made with OWL API, there is a new version, fully OWL2 compliant - good news

... I heard the progress was made with OWL API, there is a new version, fully OWL2 compliant - good news

17:32:36 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:32:40 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:32:41 <MartinD> TOPIC: Features "at risk"

5. Features "at risk"

17:32:44 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

17:33:11 <MartinD> Peter: it might be good idea to have the implementation reports on the at-risk features...

Peter Patel-Schneider: it might be good idea to have the implementation reports on the at-risk features...

17:33:17 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:33:24 <MartinD> Ian: we already have the implementation of at least one - hermit almost done

Ian Horrocks: we already have the implementation of at least one - hermit almost done

17:33:32 <MartinD> ... who would be the other candidate?

... who would be the other candidate?

17:33:43 <MartinD> Peter: Fact++ or maybe Pellet?

Peter Patel-Schneider: Fact++ or maybe Pellet?

17:34:09 <MartinD> Ian: would this include both 'rational' and 'literal' support?

Ian Horrocks: would this include both 'rational' and 'literal' support?

17:34:26 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:34:31 <MartinD> ... is there a plan to implement this in Pellet?

... is there a plan to implement this in Pellet?

17:34:48 <MartinD> Mike: yes, we are actively working on this... it's a possibility...

Michael Smith: yes, we are actively working on this... it's a possibility...

17:35:02 <MartinD> ... unlikely to have it done in the main release of Pellet

... unlikely to have it done in the main release of Pellet

17:35:18 <MartinD> Ian: maybe even a preliminary report about a beta implementation might be good?

Ian Horrocks: maybe even a preliminary report about a beta implementation might be good?

17:35:24 <MartinD> Mike: working on it...

Michael Smith: working on it...

17:35:25 <msmith> yes.

Michael Smith: yes.

17:35:50 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:35:53 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:35:55 <MartinD> Ian: this section is just a reminder to keep us thinking about the implementation points

Ian Horrocks: this section is just a reminder to keep us thinking about the implementation points

17:35:57 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

17:36:03 <MartinD> Ian: Any other business?

Ian Horrocks: Any other business?

17:36:21 <MartinD> Ivan: now that we are going to the CR phase, do we need weekly telecons?

Ivan Herman: now that we are going to the CR phase, do we need weekly telecons?

17:36:37 <MartinD> Ian: judging from this week's agenda, it looks thin.

Ian Horrocks: judging from this week's agenda, it looks thin.

17:36:41 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:36:48 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:36:53 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

17:36:54 <MartinD> ... we will inquire on email what people want to do about this

... we will inquire on email what people want to do about this

17:37:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:37:02 <MartinD> ... possibility to go bi-weekly?

... possibility to go bi-weekly?

17:37:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:37:10 <IanH> ack ?

Ian Horrocks: ack ?

17:37:32 <MartinD> Ivan: bi-weekly would be alright, but we should still keep the time allocated for every week at this time, just in case something arises

Ivan Herman: bi-weekly would be alright, but we should still keep the time allocated for every week at this time, just in case something arises

17:37:48 <MartinD> Ian: anybody feels strongly about weekly telecons?

Ian Horrocks: anybody feels strongly about weekly telecons?

17:38:20 <MartinD> ... I will send an email round to suggest moving from weekly schedule to a bi-weekly one

... I will send an email round to suggest moving from weekly schedule to a bi-weekly one

17:38:40 <Rinke> omit:  thanks, congrats and bye!
17:38:42 <Zakim> -msmith

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17:38:42 <Zhe> omit: bye
17:38:42 <MartinD> Ian: if no other business, thanks to Martin for scribing and thanks to all for the transition to CR!

Ian Horrocks: if no other business, thanks to Martin for scribing and thanks to all for the transition to CR!

17:38:44 <Zakim> -Ivan

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17:38:45 <Zakim> -Achille

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17:38:46 <Zakim> -zimmer

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17:38:47 <Zakim> -MarkusK_

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17:38:47 <Zakim> -Zhe

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17:38:49 <Zakim> -baojie

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17:38:49 <Zakim> -IanH

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17:38:50 <Zakim> -Rinke

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17:38:51 <Zakim> -Sandro

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17:38:52 <MartinD> ... telco concluded

... telco concluded

17:38:53 <Zakim> -pfps

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17:38:55 <Zakim> -christine

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17:39:01 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau

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17:39:02 <Zakim> -MartinD

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17:39:04 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended

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17:39:08 <Zakim> Attendees were +0190827aaaa, MartinD, zimmer, Ivan, IanH, MarkusK_, Sandro, baojie, bcuencagrau, pfps, Rinke, Zhe, msmith, Achille, christine

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +0190827aaaa, MartinD, zimmer, Ivan, IanH, MarkusK_, Sandro, baojie, bcuencagrau, pfps, Rinke, Zhe, msmith, Achille, christine



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