<scribenick> PRESENT: Peter_Patel-Schneider, Sandro, Alan_Ruttenberg, Achille, uli , Evan_Wallace, Zhe, bmotik, Jie_Bao, Sebastian_Rudolph, Michael_Schneider, Bijan Parsia, Rinke, msmith
<scribenick> CHAIR: Alan Ruttenberg
<scribenick> REGRETS: Markus Krötzsch, Ian Horrocks
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16:59:57 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
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16:59:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, sebastian (muted), Sandro, Alan
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17:00:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, baojie, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, sebastian, alanr, sandro, trackbot
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17:01:07 <uli> zakim, ??P11 is me
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17:01:14 <Achille> zakim, IBM is me
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17:02:14 <Achille> ScribeNick: Achille
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17:03:35 <Zakim> +??P17
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17:03:36 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
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17:03:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, sebastian (muted), Sandro, Alan, Achille, uli (muted), Evan_Wallace, Zhe (muted), ??P17
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17:03:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see bmotik, Zhe, schneid, bijan, ewallace, Achille, uli, baojie, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, sebastian, alanr, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bmotik, Zhe, schneid, bijan, ewallace, Achille, uli, baojie, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, sebastian, alanr, sandro, trackbot ←
17:03:53 <schneid> zakim, ??P17 is me
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17:04:01 <alanr> q?
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17:04:14 <Achille> alanr: agenda amendments?
Alan Ruttenberg: agenda amendments? ←
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17:04:19 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P18 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P18 is me ←
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17:04:23 <Achille> alanr: no agenda amendments
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17:04:38 <Zakim> +msmith
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17:04:41 <Achille> alanr: minutes reviews
Alan Ruttenberg: minutes reviews ←
17:04:40 <pfps> 22 is acceptable (just missing a formal OK)
Peter Patel-Schneider: 22 is acceptable (just missing a formal OK) ←
17:04:48 <pfps> 29 is acceptable (again, just missing a formal OK)
Peter Patel-Schneider: 29 is acceptable (again, just missing a formal OK) ←
17:04:51 <bijan> zakim, ??P31 is me
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17:04:51 <Zakim> I already had ??P31 as jkangash, bijan
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17:05:01 <bijan> zakim, ??P21 is me
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17:05:05 <alanr> Minutes of the 22, 29th accepted
Alan Ruttenberg: Minutes of the 22, 29th accepted ←
17:05:11 <pfps> 6 is OK
Peter Patel-Schneider: 6 is OK ←
17:05:20 <alanr> minutes of 6th accepted
Alan Ruttenberg: minutes of 6th accepted ←
17:05:39 <Achille> RESOLVED: Minutes of 22 April, and 29 April accepted
RESOLVED: Minutes of 22 April, and 29 April accepted ←
17:05:48 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:05:54 <Achille> RESOLVED: Previous Minutes (6 May) accepted
RESOLVED: Previous Minutes (6 May) accepted ←
17:05:54 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
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17:06:18 <Achille> topic: Action items status
17:06:31 <Achille> subtopic: Action 335 Talk with owlapi people about strict rdf/xml parsing / Bijan Parsia
17:05:54 <alanr> Action 335 Talk with owlapi people about strict rdf/xml parsing / Bijan Parsia
Alan Ruttenberg: ACTION-335 Talk with owlapi people about strict rdf/xml parsing / Bijan Parsia ←
17:06:41 <Achille> bijan: on going
Bijan Parsia: on going ←
17:06:51 <Achille> alanr: action to be closed
Alan Ruttenberg: action to be closed ←
17:07:03 <Achille> subtopic: Action 336 Look at the response for rdf:text / Sandro Hawke17:07:21 <Zakim> +zimmer
17:07:48 <Zakim> +??P1
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17:07:52 <Rinke> zakim, ??P1 is me
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17:08:04 <Achille> sandro: I talked to the chair of the internationalization on a text that should satisfy Michael Sperberg McQueen (MSM), but I have not heard back from him yet
Sandro Hawke: I talked to the chair of the internationalization on a text that should satisfy Michael Sperberg McQueen (MSM), but I have not heard back from him yet ←
17:08:17 <Achille> sandro: I will ping MSM today
Sandro Hawke: I will ping MSM today ←
17:08:57 <Achille> alanr: we should try to get a formal response from the group if we do not hear back from him
Alan Ruttenberg: we should try to get a formal response from the group if we do not hear back from him ←
17:09:22 <Achille> topic: Documents and Reviewing
17:09:33 <Achille> subtopic: LC Working Drafts
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17:10:01 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:10:09 <Achille> alanr: on going discussion with boris on LC comments
Alan Ruttenberg: on going discussion with boris on LC comments ←
17:10:20 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:10:24 <pfps> q+
17:10:28 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:11:33 <Achille> pfps: the rdf:text doc could lag
Peter Patel-Schneider: the rdf:text doc could lag ←
17:11:37 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
17:11:45 <alanr> ack uli
Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli ←
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17:12:05 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:12:15 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
17:12:17 <Achille> uli: I was wondering if anybody has started dealing with the rdf:text issues
Uli Sattler: I was wondering if anybody has started dealing with the rdf:text issues ←
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17:12:30 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:12:42 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
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17:12:42 <Zakim> bmotik was not muted, bmotik
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17:12:50 <sandro> some weird echo effect making boris unintelligible
Sandro Hawke: some weird echo effect making boris unintelligible ←
17:13:02 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
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17:13:09 <sandro> like there was nothing BUT echo cancellation. :-)
Sandro Hawke: like there was nothing BUT echo cancellation. :-) ←
17:13:16 <sebastian> That one is ready to go from my POV.
Sebastian Rudolph: That one is ready to go from my POV. ←
17:13:19 <pfps> I think that RHM1 can be send.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that RHM1 can be send. ←
17:13:19 <Achille> alanr: let's go through the list of comments (http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Responses_to_Last_Call_Comments#Second_Round)
Alan Ruttenberg: let's go through the list of comments (http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Responses_to_Last_Call_Comments#Second_Round) ←
17:13:33 <Achille> alanr: On comment 6, we have a draft, and it is ready to go
Alan Ruttenberg: On comment 6, we have a draft, and it is ready to go ←
17:13:55 <Achille> alanr: On comment 7, Peter drafted some text, and it is ready to go
Alan Ruttenberg: On comment 7, Peter drafted some text, and it is ready to go ←
17:13:56 <bmotik> In accordance with the discussion between Axel and some other people, I'll modify the rdf:text specification and produce a draft response. People can then see whether they have anything to add to it.
Boris Motik: In accordance with the discussion between Axel and some other people, I'll modify the rdf:text specification and produce a draft response. People can then see whether they have anything to add to it. ←
17:14:36 <pfps> I think that Boris should be free to put together a draft.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that Boris should be free to put together a draft. ←
17:14:43 <Achille> alanr: we have 6 comments from Jeremy
Alan Ruttenberg: we have 6 comments from Jeremy ←
17:15:01 <Achille> alanr: Some of Jeremy's comments have a draft written by Peter
Alan Ruttenberg: Some of Jeremy's comments have a draft written by Peter ←
17:15:12 <bmotik> I wanted to change the document, but not very much.
Boris Motik: I wanted to change the document, but not very much. ←
17:15:23 <bmotik> I think it would be easier it people saw what I want to do.
Boris Motik: I think it would be easier it people saw what I want to do. ←
17:15:27 <Achille> pfps: boris is just talking about putting together a draft response
Peter Patel-Schneider: boris is just talking about putting together a draft response ←
17:16:27 <Achille> alanr: our goal is to response quickly and a in way that does not make the situation worsens
Alan Ruttenberg: our goal is to response quickly and a in way that does not make the situation worsens ←
17:17:04 <Achille> alanr: JC1 is minor and is ready to go
Alan Ruttenberg: JC1 is minor and is ready to go ←
17:17:20 <Achille> sandro: I do not like the wording of the 1st sentence
Sandro Hawke: I do not like the wording of the 1st sentence ←
17:17:41 <Achille> sandro: I will send a final edit to Peter
Sandro Hawke: I will send a final edit to Peter ←
17:18:20 <pfps> q+
17:18:27 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:18:27 <Achille> sandro: I expect the management of W3C to review this exchange
Sandro Hawke: I expect the management of W3C to review this exchange ←
17:18:41 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:18:54 <Achille> pfps: the phrase formal objection shows on some of these comments
Peter Patel-Schneider: the phrase formal objection shows on some of these comments ←
17:19:01 <msmith> yes. it says, "I register a formal objection on behalf of TopQuadrant, based on our comments"
Michael Smith: yes. it says, "I register a formal objection on behalf of TopQuadrant, based on our comments" ←
17:19:08 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:19:48 <Achille> bijan: I do not know if it matters when they say formal objection
Bijan Parsia: I do not know if it matters when they say formal objection ←
17:20:22 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies#WGArchiveMinorityViews
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies#WGArchiveMinorityViews ←
17:20:40 <Achille> bijan: at this point, we are writing for W3C management, not to convince them (TopQuadrant).
Bijan Parsia: at this point, we are writing for W3C management, not to convince them (TopQuadrant). ←
17:21:12 <Achille> alanr: they may be some cases where it is not just for management
Alan Ruttenberg: they may be some cases where it is not just for management ←
17:21:36 <Achille> alanr: sandro, I rely on you to figure out what will play well and address what won't
Alan Ruttenberg: sandro, I rely on you to figure out what will play well and address what won't ←
17:21:50 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC3
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC3 ←
17:22:13 <Achille> alanr: on JC3, is it ready to go?
Alan Ruttenberg: on JC3, is it ready to go? ←
17:22:40 <Achille> alanr: yes, ready to go
Alan Ruttenberg: yes, ready to go ←
17:23:06 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC4
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC4 ←
17:23:07 <Achille> alanr: Rinke had a comment on JC4
Alan Ruttenberg: Rinke had a comment on JC4 ←
17:23:48 <Achille> alanr: let's sort it out on email
Alan Ruttenberg: let's sort it out on email ←
17:23:52 <pfps> NF&R doesn't mention the new versioning stuff - I agree to delay until we figure this out
Peter Patel-Schneider: NF&R doesn't mention the new versioning stuff - I agree to delay until we figure this out ←
17:24:13 <schneid> I'm happy with Peter's draft as it is at the moment
Michael Schneider: I'm happy with Peter's draft as it is at the moment ←
17:24:26 <alanr> "throw a bone"
Alan Ruttenberg: "throw a bone" ←
17:24:45 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC5
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC5 ←
17:24:30 <Achille> alanr: On JC5, some discussions on it with Bijan arguing that it should be taken seriously
Alan Ruttenberg: On JC5, some discussions on it with Bijan arguing that it should be taken seriously ←
17:24:34 <schneid> no way, indeed
Michael Schneider: no way, indeed ←
17:24:45 <Achille> bijan: I do not think we should take it seriously
Bijan Parsia: I do not think we should take it seriously ←
17:24:58 <Achille> bijan: just that it has more weight compared to other comments
Bijan Parsia: just that it has more weight compared to other comments ←
17:26:05 <Achille> sandro: formal objections inside the working group and objections in the mailing list go through the same process at the end (i.e. they both end up in front of the W3C director)
Sandro Hawke: formal objections inside the working group and objections in the mailing list go through the same process at the end (i.e. they both end up in front of the W3C director) ←
17:26:33 <Achille> alanr: anything that is unresolved will go in front of the director?
Alan Ruttenberg: anything that is unresolved will go in front of the director? ←
17:26:40 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:26:42 <Achille> sandro: yes, this is true
Sandro Hawke: yes, this is true ←
17:26:45 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:26:56 <alanr> q+ to ask too
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask too ←
17:27:03 <Achille> sandro: i think we should spend some time reconsidering some of his objections
Sandro Hawke: i think we should spend some time reconsidering some of his objections ←
17:27:31 <Achille> bijan: i hope that the management will look at the situation appropriately
Bijan Parsia: i hope that the management will look at the situation appropriately ←
17:27:37 <ewallace> I prefer responding as the draft does. Let's not use the reification vocab.
Evan Wallace: I prefer responding as the draft does. Let's not use the reification vocab. ←
17:27:48 <Achille> bijan: I'm not too concerned. I think they will see it as a denial of service
Bijan Parsia: I'm not too concerned. I think they will see it as a denial of service ←
17:27:59 <alanr> evan, want to go on queue to explain your thoughts?
Alan Ruttenberg: evan, want to go on queue to explain your thoughts? ←
17:28:04 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
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17:28:05 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
17:28:18 <pfps> There is a technical change involved here having to do with inferences supported.
Peter Patel-Schneider: There is a technical change involved here having to do with inferences supported. ←
17:28:25 <Achille> bijan: on the second, I do not think there is a considerable change beside on a parser
Bijan Parsia: on the second, I do not think there is a considerable change beside on a parser ←
17:29:01 <bijan> Can I reply?
Bijan Parsia: Can I reply? ←
17:29:05 <alanr> in q
Alan Ruttenberg: in q ←
17:29:07 <alanr> please
Alan Ruttenberg: please ←
17:29:14 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:29:25 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:29:31 <alanr> q+ bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ bijan ←
17:29:55 <Achille> schneid: we should not have our process determined by Jeremy
Michael Schneider: we should not have our process determined by Jeremy ←
17:30:28 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:30:32 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:30:32 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
17:30:57 <schneid> if in doubt, then DONT change!
Michael Schneider: if in doubt, then DONT change! ←
17:31:04 <schneid> at least so late in the process
Michael Schneider: at least so late in the process ←
17:31:10 <pfps> The arguments in JC5 are so weak as to be non-existent. The technical issues of using the RDF reification vocabulary are not so great, but there may be problems in using it, given the problems associated with the RDF reification vocabulary.
Peter Patel-Schneider: The arguments in JC5 are so weak as to be non-existent. The technical issues of using the RDF reification vocabulary are not so great, but there may be problems in using it, given the problems associated with the RDF reification vocabulary. ←
17:31:27 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/67
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/67 ←
17:31:32 <Achille> bijan: social issues are not irrelevant so we can make minor changes to address his concerns
Bijan Parsia: social issues are not irrelevant so we can make minor changes to address his concerns ←
17:31:34 <schneid> not yours was ridiculous, but JJC's
Michael Schneider: not yours was ridiculous, but JJC's ←
17:31:59 <bijan> I know :)
Bijan Parsia: I know :) ←
17:32:06 <bijan> Sorry, that's what I meant
Bijan Parsia: Sorry, that's what I meant ←
17:32:11 <Achille> alanr: I did not get the argument made in our response
Alan Ruttenberg: I did not get the argument made in our response ←
17:32:27 <Achille> alanr: not sure that this is the right way to argue it with them
Alan Ruttenberg: not sure that this is the right way to argue it with them ←
17:32:51 <alanr> is thus not technically possible to use rdf:subject, rdf:predicate, and rdf:object in place of owl:subject, owl:predicate, and owl:object
Alan Ruttenberg: is thus not technically possible to use rdf:subject, rdf:predicate, and rdf:object in place of owl:subject, owl:predicate, and owl:object ←
17:32:54 <schneid> ?
17:32:55 <pfps> The strangeness of this request is that Jeremy initally argued against using the RDF reification vocabulary, in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0369.html
Peter Patel-Schneider: The strangeness of this request is that Jeremy initally argued against using the RDF reification vocabulary, in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0369.html ←
17:33:07 <Achille> alanr: the draft response says there is a technical issue
Alan Ruttenberg: the draft response says there is a technical issue ←
17:33:17 <Achille> bijan: I will remove it from the draft
Bijan Parsia: I will remove it from the draft ←
17:33:35 <Achille> alanr: wasn't that issue resolved when he was on the WG?
Alan Ruttenberg: wasn't that issue resolved when he was on the WG? ←
17:33:39 <Achille> bijan: yes
Bijan Parsia: yes ←
17:33:55 <schneid> I think he had already left the WG at that time, but not sure
Michael Schneider: I think he had already left the WG at that time, but not sure ←
17:34:14 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:34:18 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
17:34:18 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask too
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17:34:23 <Achille> alanr: should we make this change because it is reasonable? how is it going to affect us? finally, how should we respond?
Alan Ruttenberg: should we make this change because it is reasonable? how is it going to affect us? finally, how should we respond? ←
17:34:23 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
17:35:38 <alanr> "in a semantic extension"
Alan Ruttenberg: "in a semantic extension" ←
17:35:57 <Achille> schneid: different intensions for the two vocabularies. The situation for rdf and the reification voc is not very clear. RDF Semantics has a long section about how the vocabulary "may" be interpreted
Michael Schneider: different intensions for the two vocabularies. The situation for rdf and the reification voc is not very clear. RDF Semantics has a long section about how the vocabulary "may" be interpreted ←
17:36:11 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:36:40 <sandro> q+ to ask for a guide about how the two should be used differently.
Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask for a guide about how the two should be used differently. ←
17:36:57 <alanr> ack sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro ←
17:36:57 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask for a guide about how the two should be used differently.
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to ask for a guide about how the two should be used differently. ←
17:37:02 <Achille> schneid: i would like to see some changes in the next version of RDF to address the issue. OWL should go its own way and let the reification on the side to the RDF people
Michael Schneider: i would like to see some changes in the next version of RDF to address the issue. OWL should go its own way and let the reification on the side to the RDF people ←
17:37:03 <schneid> zakim, mute me
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17:37:14 <bijan> Jeremy left after the decision wrt reification: <
Bijan Parsia: Jeremy left after the decision wrt reification: < ←
17:37:14 <bijan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0192.html> (leaving
Bijan Parsia: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0192.html> (leaving ←
17:37:20 <bijan> Decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Jul/0317.html
Bijan Parsia: Decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Jul/0317.html ←
17:37:26 <alanr> thanks bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: thanks bijan ←
17:37:30 <Achille> sandro: we need a guide as to when to use RDF reification or OWL axiom annotations
Sandro Hawke: we need a guide as to when to use RDF reification or OWL axiom annotations ←
17:37:33 <schneid> there is no OWL reification, there are OWL axiom annotations
Michael Schneider: there is no OWL reification, there are OWL axiom annotations ←
17:37:39 <bijan> +1 to michael
Bijan Parsia: +1 to michael ←
17:37:51 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:38:00 <Achille> schneid, thanks for the correction
schneid, thanks for the correction ←
17:38:19 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:38:21 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:38:30 <Achille> sandro: I do not understand all the issues, but the choice should be made clear and simple for the users
Sandro Hawke: I do not understand all the issues, but the choice should be made clear and simple for the users ←
17:38:42 <schneid> +1 to bijan
Michael Schneider: +1 to bijan ←
17:38:46 <ewallace> +1 to Bijan
Evan Wallace: +1 to Bijan ←
17:39:10 <pfps> Part of Bijan's point is that no one knows what RDF reification is really supposed to be used for.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Part of Bijan's point is that no one knows what RDF reification is really supposed to be used for. ←
17:39:43 <Achille> alanr: we need a different response from the one drafted now, at a minimum
Alan Ruttenberg: we need a different response from the one drafted now, at a minimum ←
17:39:44 <sandro> Bijan: Nobody should ever use these, except as part of owl serializing.
Bijan Parsia: Nobody should ever use these, except as part of owl serializing. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:39:57 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
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17:40:01 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
17:40:10 <Achille> alanr: I'd like to ask Michael to draft an alternative response
Alan Ruttenberg: I'd like to ask Michael to draft an alternative response ←
17:40:49 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:41:14 <Achille> sandro: my point could be addressed by having a note in the draft to say "although it looks as RDF reification, it should be used only for serialization"
Sandro Hawke: my point could be addressed by having a note in the draft to say "although it looks as RDF reification, it should be used only for serialization" ←
17:41:37 <Achille> sandro: i want that change in the spec
Sandro Hawke: i want that change in the spec ←
17:41:41 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:41:56 <Achille> schneid: it could be in the Mapping document
Michael Schneider: it could be in the Mapping document ←
17:42:08 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:42:12 <Achille> alanr: we will document somewhere the rationale for it in a note
Alan Ruttenberg: we will document somewhere the rationale for it in a note ←
17:42:19 <Zhe> q+
17:42:21 <schneid> zakim, mute me
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17:42:30 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me
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17:42:53 <alanr> fwiw, I have sympathies in Bijan's direction
Alan Ruttenberg: fwiw, I have sympathies in Bijan's direction ←
17:43:01 <Achille> bijan: I'm concerned that this could provide an opportunity to argue against the usefulness of annotations
Bijan Parsia: I'm concerned that this could provide an opportunity to argue against the usefulness of annotations ←
17:43:09 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:43:29 <Achille> alanr: the response could be that we have clarified the wording, are you satisfied ?
Alan Ruttenberg: the response could be that we have clarified the wording, are you satisfied ? ←
17:43:34 <schneid> +1 to rename the vocabulary
Michael Schneider: +1 to rename the vocabulary ←
17:43:40 <uli> i think it's useful as well
Uli Sattler: i think it's useful as well ←
17:44:22 <schneid> the current terms indeed LOOK like RDF reification
Michael Schneider: the current terms indeed LOOK like RDF reification ←
17:44:25 <alanr> ack zhe
Alan Ruttenberg: ack zhe ←
17:44:30 <schneid> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
17:44:44 <pfps> I'm happy with changing the names (to protect the guilty), but we have to agree on the names.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm happy with changing the names (to protect the guilty), but we have to agree on the names. ←
17:44:53 <Achille> zhe: does it make sense to rename them to make them less confusing
Zhe Wu: does it make sense to rename them to make them less confusing ←
17:45:00 <pfps> wait
Peter Patel-Schneider: wait ←
17:45:04 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:45:08 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
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17:45:09 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
17:45:20 <Achille> ... annotationSubject, annotationObject, annoationPredicate
... annotationSubject, annotationObject, annoationPredicate ←
17:45:44 <pfps> can't use annotation... as this is also used for axioms!
Peter Patel-Schneider: can't use annotation... as this is also used for axioms! ←
17:45:54 <schneid> ... annotation(Source|Property|Target)
Michael Schneider: ... annotation(Source|Property|Target) ←
17:46:00 <schneid> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
17:46:05 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:46:05 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
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17:46:20 <pfps> Consider _: x rdf:type owl:Axiom .
Peter Patel-Schneider: Consider _: x rdf:type owl:Axiom . ←
17:46:22 <pfps> _:x owl:subject a:hasAunt .
Peter Patel-Schneider: _:x owl:subject a:hasAunt . ←
17:46:23 <pfps> _:x owl:predicate owl:propertyChainAxiom .
Peter Patel-Schneider: _:x owl:predicate owl:propertyChainAxiom . ←
17:46:25 <pfps> _:x owl:object _:y1 .
Peter Patel-Schneider: _:x owl:object _:y1 . ←
17:46:26 <pfps> _:x rdfs:comment "An aunt is a mother's sister." .
Peter Patel-Schneider: _:x rdfs:comment "An aunt is a mother's sister." . ←
17:46:31 <Achille> alanr: there is support for changing the name
Alan Ruttenberg: there is support for changing the name ←
17:46:58 <bijan> subj pred obj
Bijan Parsia: subj pred obj ←
17:46:59 <Achille> pfps: you can't use annotations because there are already used for axioms
Peter Patel-Schneider: you can't use annotations because there are already used for axioms ←
17:47:17 <bijan> or aSub aPred aObj
Bijan Parsia: or aSub aPred aObj ←
17:47:40 <pfps> If the row of Table 1 corresponding to the type of ax' contains a single main triple s p xlt ., then the axiom ax is translated into the following triples:
Peter Patel-Schneider: If the row of Table 1 corresponding to the type of ax' contains a single main triple s p xlt ., then the axiom ax is translated into the following triples: ←
17:47:42 <pfps> s p xlt .
Peter Patel-Schneider: s p xlt . ←
17:47:43 <pfps> _:x rdf:type owl:Axiom .
Peter Patel-Schneider: _:x rdf:type owl:Axiom . ←
17:47:45 <pfps> _:x owl:subject s .
Peter Patel-Schneider: _:x owl:subject s . ←
17:47:46 <pfps> _:x owl:predicate p .
Peter Patel-Schneider: _:x owl:predicate p . ←
17:47:48 <pfps> _:x owl:object xlt .
Peter Patel-Schneider: _:x owl:object xlt . ←
17:47:50 <pfps> TANN(annotation1, _:x)
Peter Patel-Schneider: TANN(annotation1, _:x) ←
17:47:52 <pfps> ...
Peter Patel-Schneider: ... ←
17:47:53 <pfps> TANN(annotationm, _:x)
Peter Patel-Schneider: TANN(annotationm, _:x) ←
17:47:58 <pfps> :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: :-) ←
17:48:14 <msmith> q+ to say it's not used for npas
Michael Smith: q+ to say it's not used for npas ←
17:48:22 <msmith> nope
Michael Smith: nope ←
17:48:36 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
17:48:36 <Zakim> msmith, you wanted to say it's not used for npas
Zakim IRC Bot: msmith, you wanted to say it's not used for npas ←
17:48:47 <bijan> Damnit!
Bijan Parsia: Damnit! ←
17:48:49 <pfps> used for, e.g., annotations on SubClassOf
Peter Patel-Schneider: used for, e.g., annotations on SubClassOf ←
17:48:50 <bijan> I got that wrong :)
Bijan Parsia: I got that wrong :) ←
17:49:28 <pfps> They are only used when an axiom or annotation is itself annotated!
Peter Patel-Schneider: They are only used when an axiom or annotation is itself annotated! ←
17:49:29 <alanr> _:x rdf:type owl:Axiom .
Alan Ruttenberg: _:x rdf:type owl:Axiom . ←
17:49:29 <alanr> _:x owl:subject *:y .
Alan Ruttenberg: _:x owl:subject *:y . ←
17:49:29 <alanr> _:x owl:predicate rdf:type .
Alan Ruttenberg: _:x owl:predicate rdf:type . ←
17:49:29 <alanr> _:x owl:object owl:ObjectProperty . Declaration( ObjectProperty( *:y ) )
Alan Ruttenberg: _:x owl:object owl:ObjectProperty . Declaration( ObjectProperty( *:y ) ) ←
17:49:43 <Achille> alanr: this should be addressed by email
Alan Ruttenberg: this should be addressed by email ←
17:49:56 <msmith> +1 to pfps, only for annotations
Michael Smith: +1 to pfps, only for annotations ←
17:50:15 <Achille> alanr: reification vocubulary is not ready to go
Alan Ruttenberg: reification vocubulary is not ready to go ←
17:50:19 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC2
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC2 ←
17:50:29 <Achille> alanr: JC is the question of OWL real
Alan Ruttenberg: JC is the question of OWL real ←
17:50:39 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:50:41 <Achille> alanr: there is no draft response yet
Alan Ruttenberg: there is no draft response yet ←
17:50:43 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
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17:50:47 <uli> what about declarations, in table 7?
Uli Sattler: what about declarations, in table 7? ←
17:50:49 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
17:51:04 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:51:19 <alanr> ack bijna
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijna ←
17:51:23 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:51:40 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:52:07 <schneid> schneid: doesn't RIF has just adopted owl:real? Would be bad to now drop it from OWL, IMHO
Michael Schneider: schneid: doesn't RIF has just adopted owl:real? Would be bad to now drop it from OWL, IMHO ←
17:52:28 <Achille> alanr: Jeremy is just worry about the complexity of handling real
Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy is just worry about the complexity of handling real ←
17:52:52 <Achille> alanr: bijan, could you draft a response
Alan Ruttenberg: bijan, could you draft a response ←
17:52:54 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
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17:52:56 <Achille> bijan: yes
Bijan Parsia: yes ←
17:53:12 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:53:18 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:54:11 <pfps> +1 to replying to JC6 as Bijan is stating (but I would abide by more-is-less here)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to replying to JC6 as Bijan is stating (but I would abide by more-is-less here) ←
17:54:18 <bijan> Me too
Bijan Parsia: Me too ←
17:54:25 <bijan> less is more?
Bijan Parsia: less is more? ←
17:54:27 <Achille> bijan: On JC6 (negative property assertion), it should not be a problem.We can easily implement it even without nominal as in RL
Bijan Parsia: On JC6 (negative property assertion), it should not be a problem.We can easily implement it even without nominal as in RL ←
17:54:31 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:54:32 <pfps> more is less!
Peter Patel-Schneider: more is less! ←
17:54:50 <bijan> I can
Bijan Parsia: I can ←
17:54:54 <Achille> alanr: who wants to write a draft response?
Alan Ruttenberg: who wants to write a draft response? ←
17:54:51 <schneid> I'll take it on me
Michael Schneider: I'll take it on me ←
17:55:24 <Achille> alanr: We are now done with Jeremy's comments
Alan Ruttenberg: We are now done with Jeremy's comments ←
17:55:49 <Achille> subtopic: status of documents
17:56:08 <Rinke> zakim, unmute me
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17:57:06 <pfps> NF&R should include something about ontology versioning. I think that it doesn't need to say *much*.
Peter Patel-Schneider: NF&R should include something about ontology versioning. I think that it doesn't need to say *much*. ←
17:57:07 <Achille> alanr: we are planning to have the user facing documents go to last call
Alan Ruttenberg: we are planning to have the user facing documents go to last call ←
17:57:39 <Achille> alanr: is NF&R ready?
Alan Ruttenberg: is NF&R ready? ←
17:57:39 <pfps> It is acceptable.
Peter Patel-Schneider: It is acceptable. ←
17:57:47 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
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17:57:59 <Achille> alanr: status of the Primer?
Alan Ruttenberg: status of the Primer? ←
17:58:04 <sebastian> Zakim, unmute me
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17:58:40 <Achille> Sebastian: we have started addressing all the comments and reviews
Sebastian Rudolph: we have started addressing all the comments and reviews ←
17:58:50 <Achille> Sebastian: they are mostly editorial
Sebastian Rudolph: they are mostly editorial ←
17:59:07 <sebastian> Zakim, mute me
Sebastian Rudolph: Zakim, mute me ←
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17:59:11 <Rinke> sure
Rinke Hoekstra: sure ←
17:59:13 <Achille> Sebastian: we should send a email by the week-end about our changes
Sebastian Rudolph: we should send a email by the week-end about our changes ←
17:59:31 <Achille> alanr: status of data range extension?
Alan Ruttenberg: status of data range extension? ←
17:59:59 <Achille> bijan: sent an email to response to issues raised by Boris, but have not heard back from him
Bijan Parsia: sent an email to response to issues raised by Boris, but have not heard back from him ←
18:00:08 <Achille> bijan: so i assume he is ok with it
Bijan Parsia: so i assume he is ok with it ←
17:59:51 <bmotik> I'm fine with that.
Boris Motik: I'm fine with that. ←
18:00:26 <Achille> alanr: Quick Reference Guide (QRG)?
Alan Ruttenberg: Quick Reference Guide (QRG)? ←
18:00:24 <pfps> I'm happy with QRG.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm happy with QRG. ←
18:00:41 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:00:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, sebastian (muted), Sandro, Alan, Achille, uli (muted), Evan_Wallace, Zhe, schneid (muted), bmotik (muted), msmith, bijan, zimmer, Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, sebastian (muted), Sandro, Alan, Achille, uli (muted), Evan_Wallace, Zhe, schneid (muted), bmotik (muted), msmith, bijan, zimmer, Rinke ←
18:00:44 <uli> I can't see him in irc
Uli Sattler: I can't see him in irc ←
18:00:45 <Zakim> ... (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted) ←
18:00:57 <sandro> baojie...?
Sandro Hawke: baojie...? ←
18:01:07 <uli> oups
Uli Sattler: oups ←
18:01:08 <Achille> alanr: jie does not appear to be here, peter is ok about the QRG
Alan Ruttenberg: jie does not appear to be here, peter is ok about the QRG ←
18:01:20 <Achille> bijan: I have not looked at QRG recently
Bijan Parsia: I have not looked at QRG recently ←
18:01:25 <uli> I also think that the structure is fine now
Uli Sattler: I also think that the structure is fine now ←
18:01:32 <Achille> bijan: I'm also happy about it, if peter is happy about it
Bijan Parsia: I'm also happy about it, if peter is happy about it ←
18:02:27 <pfps> We could vote in stages!
Peter Patel-Schneider: We could vote in stages! ←
18:02:30 <pfps> q+
18:02:34 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:02:55 <Achille> pfps: we need to respond to Jeremy as soon as possible
Peter Patel-Schneider: we need to respond to Jeremy as soon as possible ←
18:03:14 <msmith> q+ to provide brief test suite and results status update
Michael Smith: q+ to provide brief test suite and results status update ←
18:03:20 <Achille> alanr: yes I agree. Let's try to get drafts in reasonable state by Friday
Alan Ruttenberg: yes I agree. Let's try to get drafts in reasonable state by Friday ←
18:03:21 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
18:03:21 <Zakim> msmith, you wanted to provide brief test suite and results status update
Zakim IRC Bot: msmith, you wanted to provide brief test suite and results status update ←
18:03:21 <Achille> topic: implementation and testcase
18:03:46 <Achille> msmith: since last teleconf, I was unable to update the wiki
Michael Smith: since last teleconf, I was unable to update the wiki ←
18:04:03 <Achille> msmith: I'll add test results from the api this week
Michael Smith: I'll add test results from the api this week ←
18:04:03 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:04:06 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:04:09 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:04:09 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
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18:04:11 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:04:11 <msmith> msmith: Since last telecon, 12 test cases were approved and 18 moved from no status to proposed. Progress is picking up. I will be adding profile test results this week. Tools for RDF semantics tests are needed.
Michael Smith: Since last telecon, 12 test cases were approved and 18 moved from no status to proposed. Progress is picking up. I will be adding profile test results this week. Tools for RDF semantics tests are needed. [ Scribe Assist by Michael Smith ] ←
18:04:38 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:04:38 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:04:42 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:04:42 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
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18:04:45 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
18:06:12 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
18:06:16 <alanr> q+ to ask how to do tests that should return "ERROR" or "UNKNOWN"
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask how to do tests that should return "ERROR" or "UNKNOWN" ←
18:06:20 <Achille> schneid: not clear how the owl api behaves on arbitrary rdf graphs
Michael Schneider: not clear how the owl api behaves on arbitrary rdf graphs ←
18:06:25 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
18:07:49 <msmith> ok
Michael Smith: ok ←
18:07:50 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:07:50 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask how to do tests that should return "ERROR" or "UNKNOWN"
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask how to do tests that should return "ERROR" or "UNKNOWN" ←
18:07:50 <Achille> schneid: an owl api will not do any repair on the parse of an arbitrary rdf graph?
Michael Schneider: an owl api will not do any repair on the parse of an arbitrary rdf graph? ←
18:07:56 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:07:56 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:07:58 <Achille> msmith: yes this is right
Michael Smith: yes this is right ←
18:08:35 <msmith> ok
Michael Smith: ok ←
18:08:57 <alanr> action: alanr to talk to mike about tests that return ERROR
ACTION: alanr to talk to mike about tests that return ERROR ←
18:08:57 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr ←
18:10:08 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:10:11 <Achille> topic: features at risk
18:10:12 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:10:12 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
18:10:14 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
18:10:15 <Achille> alanr: no comments so far on rational
Alan Ruttenberg: no comments so far on rational ←
18:10:44 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:10:48 <bijan> q-
Bijan Parsia: q- ←
18:10:53 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:10:53 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:10:55 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC2 is done sandro
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC2_Responses/JC2 is done sandro ←
18:10:57 <pfps> Do we have the formal objection in hand?
Peter Patel-Schneider: Do we have the formal objection in hand? ←
18:11:19 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
18:11:21 <alanr> adjourned
Alan Ruttenberg: adjourned ←
18:11:22 <Zakim> -msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith ←
18:11:25 <uli> bye
Uli Sattler: bye ←
18:11:25 <Zhe> thanks.
18:11:26 <Zakim> -Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe ←
18:11:27 <Rinke> bye
Rinke Hoekstra: bye ←
18:11:28 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
18:11:28 <Zakim> -Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan ←
18:11:29 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
18:11:29 <Zakim> -uli
Zakim IRC Bot: -uli ←
18:11:31 <Zakim> -Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille ←
18:11:32 <sebastian> Bye.
Sebastian Rudolph: Bye. ←
18:11:33 <Zakim> -bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik ←
18:11:34 <Zakim> -Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←
18:11:43 <Zakim> -sebastian
Zakim IRC Bot: -sebastian ←
18:11:47 <Zakim> -schneid
Zakim IRC Bot: -schneid ←
18:11:57 <Zakim> -zimmer
Zakim IRC Bot: -zimmer ←
18:12:55 <Zakim> -bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←
18:12:56 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended ←
18:12:58 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, sebastian, Sandro, Alan, uli, Achille, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, schneid, bmotik, msmith, bijan, zimmer, Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, sebastian, Sandro, Alan, uli, Achille, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, schneid, bmotik, msmith, bijan, zimmer, Rinke ←
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