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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 01 October 2008

Present
Christine Golbreich, Ivan Herman, Boris Motik, Sandro Hawke, Peter Patel-Schneider, Jie Bao, Markus Krötzsch, Unknown Carsten, Alan Ruttenberg, Uli Sattler, Achille Fokoue, Michael Smith, Zhe Wu, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Evan Wallace
Regrets
Rinke Hoekstra, Unknown Lutz
Chair
Alan Ruttenberg
Scribe
Christine Golbreich
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17 -- with possible formatting fixes on ACTION/ISSUE links to be done. link
  2. Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24 -- with possible future improvements link
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16:57:50 <cgolbrei> PRESENT: cgolbrei, Ivan, bmotik, Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten, Alan_Ruttenberg, uli, Achille, msmith, Zhe, bernardo, Evan_Wallace

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu

16:57:51 <cgolbrei> REGRETS: Rinke Hoekstra, Carsten Lutz

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten Lutz' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu

16:57:52 <cgolbrei> CHAIR: Alan Ruttenberg
16:57:53 <cgolbrei> ScribeNick: cgolbrei

(Scribe set to Christine Golbreich)

16:57:55 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-owl-irc

16:58:06 <bmotik> rrsagent, make log public

Boris Motik: rrsagent, make log public

16:58:28 <cgolbrei> zakim, ??P1 is cgolbrei

zakim, ??P1 is cgolbrei

16:58:28 <Zakim> +cgolbrei; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgolbrei; got it

16:58:30 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

16:58:30 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

16:58:31 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

16:58:58 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

16:59:02 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P3 is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P3 is me

16:59:02 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

16:59:05 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

16:59:05 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

16:59:11 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

16:59:11 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

16:59:19 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

17:00:01 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider

17:00:14 <pfps> pfps has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.10.01/Agenda

Peter Patel-Schneider: pfps has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.10.01/Agenda

17:00:44 <cgolbrei> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

17:00:44 <Zakim> cgolbrei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgolbrei should now be muted

17:01:00 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaaa

17:01:12 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

17:01:15 <baojie> Zakim, aaaa is baojie

Jie Bao: Zakim, aaaa is baojie

17:01:15 <Zakim> +baojie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it

17:02:18 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

17:02:41 <Carsten> zakim, ??p13 is me

Unknown Carsten: zakim, ??p13 is me

17:02:45 <Zakim> +Carsten; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten; got it

17:02:58 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan_Ruttenberg

17:03:08 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten, Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten, Alan_Ruttenberg

17:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot

17:03:51 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aabb

17:04:05 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

17:04:05 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

17:04:31 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me

17:04:31 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted

17:04:49 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aabb

17:04:56 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg

17:04:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Zhe1, bcuencagrau, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Zhe1, bcuencagrau, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot

17:05:18 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aacc

17:05:28 <Zhe1> Zakim, +1.603.897.acc is me

Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.acc is me

17:05:28 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.acc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.acc'

17:05:36 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

17:05:43 <Zhe1> Zakim, +1.603.897.accc is me

Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.accc is me

17:05:43 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.accc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.accc'

17:05:44 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

17:05:44 <uli> zakim, ??P17 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P17 is me

17:05:46 <Zakim> +uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it

17:05:48 <cgolbrei> thank you

thank you

17:05:54 <Zhe1> zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me

17:05:54 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.aabb'

17:06:04 <cgolbrei> Topic: Agenda amendments?

1. Agenda amendments?

17:06:09 <Zhe1> zakim, 1.603.897.aabb is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, 1.603.897.aabb is me

17:06:09 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '1.603.897.aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '1.603.897.aabb'

17:06:21 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

17:06:34 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is me

Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is me

17:06:34 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

17:06:36 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aacc

17:07:41 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September)  http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17

PROPOSED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17

17:07:52 <cgolbrei> unmute me

unmute me

17:08:05 <sandro> Zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is here?

17:08:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, uli, ??P19, Achille

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, uli, ??P19, Achille

17:08:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, bcuencagrau, Achille, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, bcuencagrau, Achille, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot

17:08:13 <Zakim> +msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith

17:08:37 <cgolbrei> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me

17:08:37 <Zakim> cgolbrei should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgolbrei should no longer be muted

17:08:47 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aadd

17:08:58 <Zhe> zakim, + +1.603.897.aadd is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, + +1.603.897.aadd is me

17:08:58 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.603.897.aadd is me', Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '+ +1.603.897.aadd is me', Zhe

17:09:06 <uli> ivan, ??P19 could be bernardo?

Uli Sattler: ivan, ??P19 could be bernardo?

17:09:10 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me

17:09:10 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it

17:09:16 <Zhe> thank god!

Zhe Wu: thank god!

17:09:21 <pfps> the *current* version of the minutes of 17 Sept is OK (but in a slightly strange state)

Peter Patel-Schneider: the *current* version of the minutes of 17 Sept is OK (but in a slightly strange state)

17:09:25 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

17:09:25 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted

17:09:34 <ivan> zakim, ??P19 is bernardo

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P19 is bernardo

17:09:34 <Zakim> +bernardo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bernardo; got it

17:09:47 <cgolbrei> Peter: minutes are incorrect

Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes are incorrect

17:09:58 <msmith> that could be my mistake

Michael Smith: that could be my mistake

17:10:29 <sandro> like this: {{Issue|137}}

Sandro Hawke: like this: {{Issue|137}}

17:10:50 <cgolbrei> sandro: formatting problem

Sandro Hawke: formatting problem

17:11:13 <sandro> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September)  http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17   -- with possible formatting fixes on ACTION/ISSUE links to be done.

RESOLVED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17 -- with possible formatting fixes on ACTION/ISSUE links to be done.

17:11:24 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24

PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24

17:11:50 <pfps> 24 Sept minutes are minimally acceptable

Peter Patel-Schneider: 24 Sept minutes are minimally acceptable

17:12:16 <Carsten> zakim, unmute me

Unknown Carsten: zakim, unmute me

17:12:16 <Zakim> Carsten should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should no longer be muted

17:13:09 <cgolbrei> Carsten : will do further polishing, propose to accept them

Carsten : will do further polishing, propose to accept them

17:13:11 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me

17:13:11 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted

17:13:16 <pfps> OK

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK

17:13:18 <sandro> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24   -- with possible future improvements

RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24 -- with possible future improvements

17:13:41 <cgolbrei> Topic: Pending Review Actions

2. Pending Review Actions

17:13:42 <sandro> action-214?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-214?

17:13:42 <trackbot> ACTION-214 -- Michael Smith to edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint -- due 2008-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-214 -- Michael Smith to edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint -- due 2008-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

17:13:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/214

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/214

17:14:03 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

17:14:15 <sandro> action-214 closed

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-214 closed

17:14:18 <trackbot> ACTION-214 Edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-214 Edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint closed

17:14:27 <Zakim> -MarkusK_

Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK_

17:14:30 <sandro> action-202?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-202?

17:14:30 <trackbot> ACTION-202 -- Alan Ruttenberg to have another try at punning proposal in the light of discussion with peter and come up with test cases -- due 2008-09-09 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-202 -- Alan Ruttenberg to have another try at punning proposal in the light of discussion with peter and come up with test cases -- due 2008-09-09 -- OPEN

17:14:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/202

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/202

17:14:37 <sandro> action-174?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-174?

17:14:37 <trackbot> ACTION-174 -- Bijan Parsia to provide an rdf serialization for his rich annotation proposal -- due 2008-09-11 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-174 -- Bijan Parsia to provide an rdf serialization for his rich annotation proposal -- due 2008-09-11 -- OPEN

17:14:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/174

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/174

17:14:45 <pfps> status of overdue actions 189 and 207?

Peter Patel-Schneider: status of overdue actions 189 and 207?

17:14:53 <sandro> action-189?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-189?

17:14:53 <trackbot> ACTION-189 -- Alan Ruttenberg to review RDF Mapping -- due 2008-09-08 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-189 -- Alan Ruttenberg to review RDF Mapping -- due 2008-09-08 -- OPEN

17:14:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/189

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/189

17:15:06 <sandro> action-207?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-207?

17:15:07 <trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Sandro Hawke to keep rdf:text publication on track -- due 2008-09-23 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-207 -- Sandro Hawke to keep rdf:text publication on track -- due 2008-09-23 -- OPEN

17:15:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/207

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/207

17:15:51 <cgolbrei> Topic: Fourth Face-to-Face (F2F) Meeting, have to register

3. Fourth Face-to-Face (F2F) Meeting, have to register

17:15:46 <msmith> I had to change my status, it is now unlikely I will be at f2f4

Michael Smith: I had to change my status, it is now unlikely I will be at f2f4

17:15:51 <bmotik> I haven't registered yet because I don't know whehter my visa status in UK will have been resolved by then

Boris Motik: I haven't registered yet because I don't know whehter my visa status in UK will have been resolved by then

17:16:00 <sandro> Topic: Reviewing and Publishing

4. Reviewing and Publishing

17:17:27 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:17:27 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

00:00:00 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Profiles

4.1. Profiles

17:17:57 <cgolbrei> bmotik: addressed comments from Ian, Jeff, Ivan and sent report

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Boris Motik: addressed comments from Ian, Jeff, Ivan and sent report

17:18:12 <ivan> I am fine

Ivan Herman: I am fine

17:18:26 <cgolbrei> Peter: found the comments are fine, so nothing more TBD

Peter Patel-Schneider: found the comments are fine, so nothing more TBD

17:18:31 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:18:31 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:19:33 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing

17:19:51 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:20:01 <alanr> ack ivan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan

17:20:03 <ivan> ack iva

Ivan Herman: ack iva

17:20:26 <cgolbrei> ivan: rdf is not in the list

Ivan Herman: rdf is not in the list

17:20:27 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:20:30 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:20:30 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:20:49 <alanr> ack bmotik

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik

17:21:16 <pfps> which document is this about?

Peter Patel-Schneider: which document is this about?

17:21:21 <ivan> about rdf:text

Ivan Herman: about rdf:text

17:21:33 <pfps> in our syntax document?

Peter Patel-Schneider: in our syntax document?

17:21:44 <cgolbrei> bmotik: facets included but will take a quick look for built-in functions

Boris Motik: facets included but will take a quick look for built-in functions

17:22:19 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:22:36 <bmotik> q-

Boris Motik: q-

17:23:26 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:23:26 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:23:27 <baojie> I thought Sandro made a snap shot of the wiki document

Jie Bao: I thought Sandro made a snap shot of the wiki document

17:23:34 <pfps> Boris's plan sounds perfect

Peter Patel-Schneider: Boris's plan sounds perfect

17:23:57 <bmotik> Syntax

Boris Motik: Syntax

17:24:01 <bmotik> RDF Semantic

Boris Motik: RDF Semantic

17:24:07 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:24:07 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:26:12 <cgolbrei> Action: Jie get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly

ACTION: Jie get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly

17:26:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-217 - Get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly [on Jie Bao - due 2008-10-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-217 - Get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly [on Jie Bao - due 2008-10-08].

17:26:16 <alanr> process for rdf:text : have RIF make last changes. Get 3 reviewers/reviews. Vote to publish. RIF does same.

Alan Ruttenberg: process for rdf:text : have RIF make last changes. Get 3 reviewers/reviews. Vote to publish. RIF does same.

17:26:47 <sandro> (On the RIF side, there's RIF action 603: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/603 )

Sandro Hawke: (On the RIF side, there's RIF ACTION-603: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/603 )

17:27:20 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/images/8/8b/Owl2-refcard_2008-10-01.pdf

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/images/8/8b/Owl2-refcard_2008-10-01.pdf

17:27:55 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:27:55 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:27:57 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Quick Reference Guide

4.2. Quick Reference Guide

17:27:57 <pfps> i'll review the QRG

Peter Patel-Schneider: i'll review the QRG

17:28:46 <ivan> i can review it, but I will be out of circulation most of next week

Ivan Herman: i can review it, but I will be out of circulation most of next week

17:28:52 <pfps> Action: pfps review QRG

ACTION: pfps review QRG

17:28:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-218 - Review QRG [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-218 - Review QRG [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08].

17:29:09 <ivan> action: ivan to review QRG

ACTION: ivan to review QRG

17:29:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Review QRG [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-219 - Review QRG [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-08].

17:29:17 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

17:29:17 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli

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17:29:45 <Achille> I can do it, but for November 15

Achille Fokoue: I can do it, but for November 15

17:30:49 <cgolbrei> Uli: will also review QRG

Uli Sattler: will also review QRG

17:30:56 <Zakim> +??P12

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17:31:34 <cgolbrei> question about  the various syntaxes

question about the various syntaxes

17:31:59 <ivan> October 15 should be o.k. with me, too

Ivan Herman: October 15 should be o.k. with me, too

17:32:07 <cgolbrei> ... 3 reviewers for november 15

informative OWL 2 version of SKOS 3 reviewers for october 15

17:32:16 <uli> October 30?!

Uli Sattler: October 30?!

17:32:24 <cgolbrei> s/november/october/
17:32:38 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

17:32:38 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

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17:33:20 <sandro> ACTION: Uli review the RefCard by end of October

ACTION: Uli review the RefCard by end of October

17:33:20 <ivan> ivan

Ivan Herman: ivan

17:33:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Review the RefCard by end of October [on Uli Sattler - due 2008-10-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-220 - Review the RefCard by end of October [on Uli Sattler - due 2008-10-08].

17:33:31 <pfps> the actions have already been made

Peter Patel-Schneider: the actions have already been made

17:33:48 <sandro> action-220 due 2008-10-31

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-220 due 2008-10-31

17:33:48 <trackbot> ACTION-220 Review the RefCard by end of October due date now 2008-10-31

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-220 Review the RefCard by end of October due date now 2008-10-31

17:34:09 <sandro> action: ivan review RefCard - due 2008-10-31

ACTION: ivan review RefCard - due 2008-10-31

17:34:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - review RefCard [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-31].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-221 - review RefCard [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-31].

17:34:19 <sandro> pfps, were you the third reviewer?

Sandro Hawke: pfps, were you the third reviewer?

17:34:54 <pfps> yes, I'm the third (man), wait for me :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, I'm the third (man), wait for me :-)

17:35:19 <sandro> action: pfps to review RefCard - due 2008-10-31

ACTION: pfps to review RefCard - due 2008-10-31

17:35:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - review RefCard [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-31].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-222 - review RefCard [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-31].

17:34:02 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Requirements

4.3. Requirements

17:36:26 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft

17:37:44 <ivan> I will close the first one which has wrong date anyway

Ivan Herman: I will close the first one which has wrong date anyway

17:39:38 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me

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17:39:38 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted

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17:40:45 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:41:08 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:41:08 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

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17:41:15 <alanr> ack bmotik

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik

17:41:18 <Achille> q+

Achille Fokoue: q+

17:41:19 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

17:41:19 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted

17:43:28 <ewallace> What Alan said was my intent.

Evan Wallace: What Alan said was my intent.

17:44:01 <Carsten> Have to leave, sorry. Bye everybody.

Unknown Carsten: Have to leave, sorry. Bye everybody.

17:44:25 <Zakim> -Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: -Carsten

17:44:34 <alanr> ack achille

Alan Ruttenberg: ack achille

17:44:55 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements document

ACTION: bmotik2 to Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements document

17:44:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements docuement [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08].

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17:45:25 <sandro> Achille, are you doing the action or am I?

Sandro Hawke: Achille, are you doing the action or am I?

17:46:17 <cgolbrei> ACTION: Zhe, Achille, Boris  to make it before F2F

ACTION: Zhe, Achille, Boris to make it before F2F

17:46:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Zhe,

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Zhe,

17:46:19 <Achille> Sandro, please do it - I've never done it before it will probably take me more time than you.

Achille Fokoue: Sandro, please do it - I've never done it before it will probably take me more time than you.

17:46:36 <Zhe> :)

Zhe Wu: :)

17:47:16 <cgolbrei> ACTION: Zhe to fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F

ACTION: Zhe to fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F

17:47:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08].

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17:47:39 <Zhe> I will change the date

Zhe Wu: I will change the date

17:47:44 <cgolbrei> ACTION: Boris to Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08

ACTION: Boris to Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08

17:47:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-225 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-225 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08].

17:48:11 <sandro> 225 duplicated 223.   I'll close 225

Sandro Hawke: 225 duplicated 223. I'll close 225

17:48:15 <sandro> action-225 closed

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-225 closed

17:48:15 <trackbot> ACTION-225 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-225 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu closed

17:48:17 <cgolbrei> ACTION: Achille to Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F

ACTION: Achille to Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F

17:48:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-226 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F  [on Achille Fokoue - due 2008-10-08].

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17:49:48 <sandro> action-224 due 2008-10-20

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-224 due 2008-10-20

17:49:48 <trackbot> ACTION-224 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-224 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20

17:49:53 <sandro> action-226 due 2008-10-20

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-226 due 2008-10-20

17:49:53 <trackbot> ACTION-226 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-226 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20

17:48:23 <cgolbrei> Topic:Issues

5. Issues

17:48:24 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Issue 134 Metamodel for OWL 2

5.1. ISSUE-134 Metamodel for OWL 2

17:48:33 <pfps> I'm confused, isn't the metamodel an issue?

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm confused, isn't the metamodel an issue?

17:51:11 <alanr> action: alanr to ask elisa, conrad if they will review metamodel

ACTION: alanr to ask elisa, conrad if they will review metamodel

17:51:11 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

17:51:15 <ewallace> Alan was just speaking

Evan Wallace: Alan was just speaking

17:51:16 <uli> Alan was "me"

Uli Sattler: Alan was "me"

17:51:40 <cgolbrei> Action : alanr an email to Elisa and other interested person about metamodel

Action : alanr an email to Elisa and other interested person about metamodel

17:51:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

17:51:52 <sandro> ACTION: alan to email to Elisa and other interested person about metamodel

ACTION: alan to email to Elisa and other interested person about metamodel

17:51:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-227 - Email to Elisa and other interesyed person about metamodel [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-10-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-227 - Email to Elisa and other interesyed person about metamodel [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-10-08].

17:52:12 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0044.html

Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0044.html

17:54:29 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: SKOS review

5.2. SKOS review

17:54:30 <cgolbrei> Peter: issue about SKOS Reference

Peter Patel-Schneider: issue about SKOS Reference

17:54:57 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/att-0044/review-schneid-skos-reference-lc.pdf

Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/att-0044/review-schneid-skos-reference-lc.pdf

17:55:41 <alanr> comments are embedded in pdf, and peter can't see what the comments are.

Alan Ruttenberg: comments are embedded in pdf, and peter can't see what the comments are.

17:55:45 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:56:03 <alanr> ack ivan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan

17:57:45 <cgolbrei> Ivan: comments on the pdf have also been made accessible by email

Ivan Herman: comments on the pdf have also been made accessible by email

17:57:55 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:58:02 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:58:02 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

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17:58:12 <ivan> first mail on Michael's review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0070.html

Ivan Herman: first mail on Michael's review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0070.html

17:58:13 <alanr> ack ivan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan

17:58:17 <uli> it would be nice

Uli Sattler: it would be nice

18:00:00 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

18:00:21 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:00:21 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

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18:00:21 <alanr>  uli

Alan Ruttenberg: uli

18:01:01 <pfps> 3 October!

Peter Patel-Schneider: 3 October!

18:01:07 <cgolbrei> uli: discussed with Sean to know what can be done

Uli Sattler: discussed with Sean to know what can be done

18:01:33 <pfps> I believe that it may be possible to have an informative OWL 2 version of SKOS

Peter Patel-Schneider: I believe that it may be possible to have an informative OWL 2 version of SKOS

18:01:39 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

18:01:46 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:01:46 <alanr> ack uli

Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli

18:02:03 <alanr> ack sandro

Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro

18:02:13 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:02:13 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:02:40 <pfps> can you say LPU?

Peter Patel-Schneider: can you say LPU?

18:03:05 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:03:09 <alanr> q+ alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr

18:04:02 <cgolbrei> pfps: nothing says that the XML document is normative

Peter Patel-Schneider: nothing says that the XML document is normative

18:05:12 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

18:06:24 <pfps> q+ to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness

18:06:32 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:06:32 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness

18:07:22 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:08:42 <pfps> q+ to ask about "one preferential label per language"

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to ask about "one preferential label per language"

18:08:50 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:08:50 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to ask about "one preferential label per language"

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to ask about "one preferential label per language"

18:08:56 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

18:09:33 <cgolbrei> ivan: one thing to say them that some things can be done better by OWL2

Ivan Herman: one thing to say them that some things can be done better by OWL2

18:09:48 <alanr> I watch the list and participated in some of the discussions early on. I think there would be real benefit

Alan Ruttenberg: I watch the list and participated in some of the discussions early on. I think there would be real benefit

18:09:55 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:12:52 <cgolbrei> pfps: ask SKOS whether they would like to have an informative version of SKOS?

Peter Patel-Schneider: ask SKOS whether they would like to have an informative version of SKOS?

18:13:11 <pfps> I think that a WG note with this sole comment would be good idea

Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that a WG note with this sole comment would be good idea

18:13:19 <alanr> 1) Send  Peters review as WG review as is

Alan Ruttenberg: 1) Send Peters review as WG review as is

18:13:22 <pfps> s/.../informative OWL 2 version of SKOS/
18:13:33 <alanr> 2) Have Peter send review as personal

Alan Ruttenberg: 2) Have Peter send review as personal

18:13:59 <alanr> 3) Add note asking for (in some emphatic way) an informative OWL 2 rendering of SKOS as part of their output, with our help

Alan Ruttenberg: 3) Add note asking for (in some emphatic way) an informative OWL 2 rendering of SKOS as part of their output, with our help

18:14:13 <alanr> 0) don't care

Alan Ruttenberg: 0) don't care

18:14:23 <pfps> 2+3

Peter Patel-Schneider: 2+3

18:14:31 <msmith> +3

Michael Smith: +3

18:14:35 <uli> 2+3

Uli Sattler: 2+3

18:14:43 <MarkusK_> +3

Markus Krötzsch: +3

18:14:44 <alanr> +3

Alan Ruttenberg: +3

18:14:45 <ivan> +3

Ivan Herman: +3

18:14:50 <Zhe> +3

Zhe Wu: +3

18:14:52 <ewallace> 3

Evan Wallace: 3

18:14:55 <Achille> 3

Achille Fokoue: 3

18:15:00 <cgolbrei> cgolbrei: 1 or 2 + 3

Christine Golbreich: 1 or 2 + 3

18:15:12 <sandro> 3

Sandro Hawke: 3

18:15:48 <pfps> action pfps revise note to SKOS as WG comment

Peter Patel-Schneider: action pfps revise note to SKOS as WG comment

18:15:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Revise note to SKOS as WG comment [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-228 - Revise note to SKOS as WG comment [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08].

18:19:20 <cgolbrei> ivan: SKOS will probably answer go ahead but dont' see the group will do the OWL 2 rendering of SKOS

Ivan Herman: SKOS will probably answer go ahead but dont' see the group will do the OWL 2 rendering of SKOS

18:19:50 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Issue 138 Name of dateTime datatype recent progress in discussion w/XML Schema WG

5.3. ISSUE-138 Name of dateTime datatype recent progress in discussion w/XML Schema WG

18:19:51 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:19:53 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

18:19:55 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:20:27 <msmith> q-

Michael Smith: q-

18:20:50 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

18:20:56 <sandro> Pfps: essentially we're using Schema's Equality instead of Identity, inside OWL.

Peter Patel-Schneider: essentially we're using Schema's Equality instead of Identity, inside OWL. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:21:18 <alanr> ack msmith

Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith

18:21:26 <sandro> pfps: We're using your equality as Real Equality, instead of as some kind of equivalence class -- and they seem to be okay with that.

Peter Patel-Schneider: We're using your equality as Real Equality, instead of as some kind of equivalence class -- and they seem to be okay with that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:21:55 <alanr> q+ alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr

18:21:58 <sandro> mike: This came up wrt float and decimal being disjoint, and they said No, Clear We Want Them To Be The Same Number.   That might be different here.

Michael Smith: This came up wrt float and decimal being disjoint, and they said No, Clear We Want Them To Be The Same Number. That might be different here. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:22:07 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

18:22:08 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:22:19 <sandro> pfps: i think Mike's right, and I am too.  They seem to be receptive to even more conflation.

Peter Patel-Schneider: i think Mike's right, and I am too. They seem to be receptive to even more conflation. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:22:36 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

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18:23:57 <sandro> Boris: Equality in our case is used only for facets -- everything else in OWL is based on Identity.     It's a fine line whether this is similar to what we had with numerics.   From a logic point of view it's obvious to treat 1^^int as the same as 1^^float -- the distinction XSD had for this was pragmatic, but odd for logic, where you don't have casting.

Boris Motik: Equality in our case is used only for facets -- everything else in OWL is based on Identity. It's a fine line whether this is similar to what we had with numerics. From a logic point of view it's obvious to treat 1^^int as the same as 1^^float -- the distinction XSD had for this was pragmatic, but odd for logic, where you don't have casting. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:24:28 <sandro> Boris: So I think first of all, our decision wrt numerics was what people expected.   We can use the same arguments for dateTime, but I think we're going further.

Boris Motik: So I think first of all, our decision wrt numerics was what people expected. We can use the same arguments for dateTime, but I think we're going further. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:25:02 <pfps> XML Schema is adding a sub-type of xsd:dateTime with required timezon

Peter Patel-Schneider: XML Schema is adding a sub-type of xsd:dateTime with required timezon

18:25:03 <Zakim> -bernardo

Zakim IRC Bot: -bernardo

18:25:22 <sandro> Boris: So we should use a different namespace.  That enables folks to use both.

Boris Motik: So we should use a different namespace. That enables folks to use both. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:25:44 <msmith> +1

Michael Smith: +1

18:26:03 <msmith> ask them about ignoring identity/equality distinction

Michael Smith: ask them about ignoring identity/equality distinction

18:26:35 <sandro> pfps: They're going to add a facet and make a subtype (like we want) which requires timezeone.

Peter Patel-Schneider: They're going to add a facet and make a subtype (like we want) which requires timezeone. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:27:10 <sandro> pfps: The quesiton (the "abuse") is whether we can use their notion of equality as our notion of identity.      I'm prepared to write to them and tell them exactly what we plan to do.

Peter Patel-Schneider: The quesiton (the "abuse") is whether we can use their notion of equality as our notion of identity. I'm prepared to write to them and tell them exactly what we plan to do. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:27:47 <sandro> pfps: I think we owe it to them to tell them exactly what we plan to do.   I can couch it as "if you do this, we'll do such-and-such".

Peter Patel-Schneider: I think we owe it to them to tell them exactly what we plan to do. I can couch it as "if you do this, we'll do such-and-such". [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:27:51 <sandro> ivan: sounds good to me

Ivan Herman: sounds good to me [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:27:54 <sandro> alan: me too

Alan Ruttenberg: me too [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:28:08 <sandro> boris: Sure, sounds reasonable to me.

Boris Motik: Sure, sounds reasonable to me. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:28:30 <sandro> boris: If they don't see a problem, maybe they can put a note explaining this into their document, saying folks are free to do this.

Boris Motik: If they don't see a problem, maybe they can put a note explaining this into their document, saying folks are free to do this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:28:43 <sandro> alan: Peter, please go ahead and do that.

Alan Ruttenberg: Peter, please go ahead and do that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:28:50 <sandro> Peter: I'll do it!

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll do it! [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]



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