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14:01:02 <ewallace> ewallace has changed the topic to: UFDTF telecon 2June2008
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14:01:30 <ewallace> Zakim, this will be owlwg
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14:02:43 <alanr> I'm on the line, but is no one else?
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14:02:54 <ewallace> I'm getting there
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14:02:57 <alanr> k
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14:03:14 <ewallace> Hmm. will have to call again
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14:07:31 <alanr> sidebar is updated
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14:07:45 <ewallace> thanks
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14:09:31 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space ←
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14:10:12 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space ←
14:12:53 <bijan> q+
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14:14:03 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:14:06 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
14:14:40 <alanr> discussion of how to organize requirements document
Alan Ruttenberg: discussion of how to organize requirements document ←
14:15:27 <ewallace> bijan: I think that we should be going from features to the requirements
Bijan Parsia: I think that we should be going from features to the requirements [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:15:40 <ewallace> bijan: its faster and more scoped
Bijan Parsia: its faster and more scoped [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:15:50 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:15:56 <alanr> ack vipul
Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul ←
14:15:57 <ewallace> bijan: its also more modulor
Bijan Parsia: its also more modulor [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:16:16 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
14:16:27 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
14:16:37 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
14:16:51 <ewallace> agreed
Evan Wallace: agreed ←
14:17:10 <bijan> I don't think the requirements document *should* be for newbies to owl
Bijan Parsia: I don't think the requirements document *should* be for newbies to owl ←
14:17:12 <ewallace> which list?
Evan Wallace: which list? ←
14:17:13 <bijan> we have a primer
Bijan Parsia: we have a primer ←
14:17:23 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:17:43 <bijan> I also suggest we leave this to the editors
Bijan Parsia: I also suggest we leave this to the editors ←
14:18:04 <ewallace> alan: collect a list of features and other aspects of the design to drive writing
Alan Ruttenberg: collect a list of features and other aspects of the design to drive writing [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:18:23 <ewallace> bijan: we should go do it
Bijan Parsia: we should go do it [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:18:31 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
14:18:34 <alanr> ack vipul
Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul ←
14:20:20 <ewallace> christine: I prefer features to requirements also
Christine Golbreich: I prefer features to requirements also [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:21:07 <ewallace> christine: I have some difficulty catch-up on OWL profiles
Christine Golbreich: I have some difficulty catch-up on OWL profiles [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:21:12 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
14:21:26 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:21:29 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:21:30 <ewallace> christine: list all features with examples and more description
Christine Golbreich: list all features with examples and more description [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:21:40 <ewallace> ... make clear motivations
Evan Wallace: ... make clear motivations ←
14:22:38 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:22:42 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
14:23:24 <ewallace> bijan: if we pile on the features at the start will make it hard to ever get done
Bijan Parsia: if we pile on the features at the start will make it hard to ever get done [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:23:29 <alanr> ack vipul
Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul ←
14:23:40 <ewallace> vipul: I agree with Bijan
Vipul Kashyap: I agree with Bijan [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:23:59 <ewallace> ... the scope is to limit to OWL2
Evan Wallace: ... the scope is to limit to OWL2 ←
14:24:30 <bijan> (But what he said he agreed with wasn't what I said :))
Bijan Parsia: (But what he said he agreed with wasn't what I said :)) ←
14:25:02 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:25:06 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
14:25:11 <bijan> The OWLED education task force is working on profile primers:
Bijan Parsia: The OWLED education task force is working on profile primers: ←
14:25:13 <bijan> http://wiki.webont.org/page/DL_Lite_Primer
Bijan Parsia: http://wiki.webont.org/page/DL_Lite_Primer ←
14:25:24 <bijan> http://wiki.webont.org/page/EL%2B%2B_Primer
Bijan Parsia: http://wiki.webont.org/page/EL%2B%2B_Primer ←
14:25:47 <michel> hi!
Michel Dumontier: hi! ←
14:25:48 <ewallace> Alan: who is going to do writing on the Reqs doc
Alan Ruttenberg: who is going to do writing on the Reqs doc [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:26:11 <ewallace> Evan, Vipul, Christine, Michel
Evan Wallace: Evan, Vipul, Christine, Michel ←
14:26:49 <bijan> +1 to not another ref
Bijan Parsia: +1 to not another ref ←
14:27:16 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:27:20 <ewallace> alan: I am hearing a couple of things
Alan Ruttenberg: I am hearing a couple of things [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:27:37 <vipul> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix
Vipul Kashyap: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix ←
14:27:50 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:28:07 <ewallace> ... Are you interested in providing a detailed outline?
Evan Wallace: ... Are you interested in providing a detailed outline? ←
14:28:38 <ewallace> vipul: I have a Framework rather than an outline
Vipul Kashyap: I have a Framework rather than an outline [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:28:40 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:28:43 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
14:28:45 <alanr> ack vipul
Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul ←
14:30:12 <ewallace> action: vipul to start filling out matrix
ACTION: vipul to start filling out matrix ←
14:30:12 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-153 - Start filling out matrix [on Vipul Kashyap - due 2008-06-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-153 - Start filling out matrix [on Vipul Kashyap - due 2008-06-09]. ←
14:31:10 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:33:30 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:33:43 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
14:33:47 <bijan> http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/overview.html
Bijan Parsia: http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/overview.html ←
14:35:14 <ewallace> christine: have some button to show and hide domains
Christine Golbreich: have some button to show and hide domains [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:35:56 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:36:09 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
14:37:01 <michel> +1
Michel Dumontier: +1 ←
14:37:04 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:37:07 <ewallace> bijan: I would like the requirements to be stated at a higher level
Bijan Parsia: I would like the requirements to be stated at a higher level [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:37:20 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:37:33 <michel> q+
Michel Dumontier: q+ ←
14:37:34 <alanr> ack vipul
Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul ←
14:38:07 <ewallace> vipul: this is a generalization of Michel's table
Vipul Kashyap: this is a generalization of Michel's table [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:38:55 <ewallace> vipul: biomedical users will get lost by the details of language feature
Vipul Kashyap: biomedical users will get lost by the details of language feature [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:39:01 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
14:39:04 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
14:39:11 <alanr> ack michel
Alan Ruttenberg: ack michel ←
14:39:26 <ewallace> vipul: but expressed in his own domain he is more likely to understand
Vipul Kashyap: but expressed in his own domain he is more likely to understand [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:39:34 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:39:40 <ewallace> q+
Evan Wallace: q+ ←
14:40:09 <alanr> ack ewallace
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ewallace ←
14:42:25 <bijan> re evan: I think the SHROIQ heading is sucky too; so I'm not for the exact categories, but some similarness
Bijan Parsia: re evan: I think the SHROIQ heading is sucky too; so I'm not for the exact categories, but some similarness ←
14:42:53 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
14:42:57 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
14:43:38 <ewallace> bijan: I think that incorporating lots and lots of details is probably too much
Bijan Parsia: I think that incorporating lots and lots of details is probably too much [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:43:50 <alanr> q+ alanr to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor)
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor) ←
14:44:13 <ewallace> I agree that we don't want to have complete coverage across all domains
Evan Wallace: I agree that we don't want to have complete coverage across all domains ←
14:44:58 <alanr> ack vipul
Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul ←
14:44:59 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:46:04 <bijan> The meta-requirements:
Bijan Parsia: The meta-requirements: ←
14:46:06 <bijan> Usage of OWL, particularly the OWL DL species of OWL, has identified several constructs that are of considerable utility and that fit well within the representation philosophy of OWL DL. Advances in the theory of Description Logics have provided a basis for reasoning with constructs that are not part of OWL, or not part of OWL DL.
Bijan Parsia: Usage of OWL, particularly the OWL DL species of OWL, has identified several constructs that are of considerable utility and that fit well within the representation philosophy of OWL DL. Advances in the theory of Description Logics have provided a basis for reasoning with constructs that are not part of OWL, or not part of OWL DL. ←
14:46:25 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space ←
14:46:27 <bijan> For both these reasons, it was decided at the first OWL: Experiences and Directions workshop to design an extension to the OWL DL species of OWL. The extension is designed to provide simple extensions to OWL DL that
Bijan Parsia: For both these reasons, it was decided at the first OWL: Experiences and Directions workshop to design an extension to the OWL DL species of OWL. The extension is designed to provide simple extensions to OWL DL that ←
14:46:37 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space#Misc
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space#Misc ←
14:47:35 <alanr> interoperability requirements?
Alan Ruttenberg: interoperability requirements? ←
14:47:36 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:47:39 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
14:47:39 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor)
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14:47:39 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:47:44 <ewallace> alan: is there any input other than implementer and domain specific giving requirements
Alan Ruttenberg: is there any input other than implementer and domain specific giving requirements [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:48:00 <ewallace> alan: such as general semantic web
Alan Ruttenberg: such as general semantic web [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:48:05 <bijan> Feel free to add
Bijan Parsia: Feel free to add ←
14:48:31 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:48:37 <alanr> ack vipul
Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul ←
14:49:10 <bijan> It hurts me!
Bijan Parsia: It hurts me! ←
14:49:16 <bijan> OW
Bijan Parsia: OW ←
14:49:31 <bijan> Plus, the link could be far fetched
Bijan Parsia: Plus, the link could be far fetched ←
14:50:08 <ewallace> alan: Over the week, think of other sources of design inputs
Alan Ruttenberg: Over the week, think of other sources of design inputs [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:50:11 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
14:50:17 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
14:50:44 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:51:22 <ewallace> bijan: we should cast our net wider if we want to properly capture the other inputs
Bijan Parsia: we should cast our net wider if we want to properly capture the other inputs [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:51:32 <alanr> ack
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ←
14:51:35 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
14:51:39 <vipul> Proposal: Could Christine and Michel help us step through the OWLED?
PROPOSED: Could Christine and Michel help us step through the OWLED? ←
14:51:41 <alanr> ack vipul
Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul ←
14:51:50 <ewallace> bijan: this seems like a really massive task to be complete about it
Bijan Parsia: this seems like a really massive task to be complete about it [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:52:38 <michel> too much
Michel Dumontier: too much ←
14:52:41 <michel> no.
Michel Dumontier: no. ←
14:52:50 <vipul> +1 to incomplete but useful and true
Vipul Kashyap: +1 to incomplete but useful and true ←
14:52:56 <ewallace> alan: I think whatever we could pull up with a reasonable effort would be good
Alan Ruttenberg: I think whatever we could pull up with a reasonable effort would be good [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
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14:53:16 <alanr> jar was alan
Alan Ruttenberg: jar was alan ←
14:53:35 <bijan> Uhm...So have I :)
Bijan Parsia: Uhm...So have I :) ←
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14:54:26 <ewallace> thanks bijan
Evan Wallace: thanks bijan ←
14:55:28 <michel> +q
Michel Dumontier: +q ←
14:56:31 <ewallace> michel: sort of generalized the modeling requirements, like an FAQ
Michel Dumontier: sort of generalized the modeling requirements, like an FAQ [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:56:47 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:58:07 <ewallace> ack michel
Evan Wallace: ack michel ←
14:58:12 <ewallace> ack vipul
Evan Wallace: ack vipul ←
14:58:21 <michel> q+
Michel Dumontier: q+ ←
15:00:44 <ewallace> michel: I don't think it's feasible to collect specific egs for every feature for every domain
Michel Dumontier: I don't think it's feasible to collect specific egs for every feature for every domain [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
15:02:04 <ewallace> michel: how does this relate to the Primer which also has examples
Michel Dumontier: how does this relate to the Primer which also has examples [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
15:03:45 <ewallace> michel: perhaps we should do different views
Michel Dumontier: perhaps we should do different views [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
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