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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 21 May 2008

Present
Boris Motik, Evan Wallace, Sandro Hawke, Jeff Pan, Rinke Hoekstra, Zhe Wu, Ian Horrocks, Jie Bao, Jeremy Carroll, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Alan Ruttenberg, Markus Krötzsch, Uli Sattler, Bijan Parsia, Achille Fokoue
Chair
Ian Horrocks
Scribe
Jeff Pan
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B link
  2. proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html link
  3. resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html link
  4. resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html link
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16:57:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc

16:57:56 <bmotik> Zakim, who is on call

Boris Motik: Zakim, who is on call

16:57:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on call', bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on call', bmotik

16:58:12 <Rinke> Zakim, this is owl

Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, this is owl

16:58:12 <Zakim> Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be owl".

Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owl".

16:58:25 <Rinke> zakim, this is owlwg

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, this is owlwg

16:58:25 <Zakim> Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg".

Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg".

16:58:55 <IanH> zakim, this will be owl

Ian Horrocks: zakim, this will be owl

16:58:55 <Zakim> ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started

16:59:34 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

17:00:05 <Rinke> zakim, who is here?

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, who is here?

17:00:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P12, Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P12, Evan_Wallace

17:00:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

17:00:17 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P12 is me

17:00:17 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

17:00:23 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:00:23 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:00:37 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

17:01:05 <Zakim> + +22427aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +22427aaaa

17:01:15 <Zakim> + +7.233.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.233.aabb

17:01:20 <JeffP> Zakim, aaaa is me

Jeff Pan: Zakim, aaaa is me

17:01:20 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it

17:01:25 <Rinke> Zakim, aabb is me

Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, aabb is me

17:01:25 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it

17:01:36 <Rinke> zakim, mute me

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, mute me

17:01:36 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke should now be muted

17:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aacc

17:02:11 <Zakim> + +0186527aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186527aadd

17:02:12 <Zhe> Zakim, +1.603.897.aacc is me

Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.aacc is me

17:02:13 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it

17:02:18 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaee

17:02:30 <baojie> Zakim aaee is baojie

Jie Bao: Zakim aaee is baojie

17:02:43 <baojie> Zakim, aaee is baojie

Jie Bao: Zakim, aaee is baojie

17:02:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it

17:03:03 <IanH> zakim, aadd is me

Ian Horrocks: zakim, aadd is me

17:03:03 <Zakim> +IanH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it

17:03:07 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

17:03:12 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24

17:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

17:03:29 <jeremy_> zakim, +??P24 is jeremy

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, +??P24 is jeremy

17:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, jeremy_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P24'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jeremy_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P24'

17:03:31 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

17:03:32 <Zakim> +Alan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan

17:03:38 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P26 is me

17:03:38 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

17:03:48 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

17:03:48 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

17:03:58 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:03:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan

17:03:58 <jeremy_> zakim, ??P24 is me

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, ??P24 is me

17:04:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

17:04:02 <Zakim> +jeremy_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy_; got it

17:04:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

17:04:29 <jeremycarroll> zakim, jeremy_ is jeremycarroll

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, jeremy_ is jeremycarroll

17:04:29 <Zakim> +jeremycarroll; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremycarroll; got it

17:04:54 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:04:57 <alanr> alanr has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Agenda

Alan Ruttenberg: alanr has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Agenda

17:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK

17:05:09 <JeffP> Topic: ADMIN (20 min)

1. ADMIN (20 min)

17:05:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

17:05:23 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer?

17:05:23 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-05-23

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-05-23

17:05:26 <jeremycarroll> q-

Jeremy Carroll: q-

17:05:34 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

17:05:41 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

17:05:46 <Zakim> sorry, uli, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, uli, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

17:05:50 <JeffP> Topic: Agenda amendments?

2. Agenda amendments?

17:06:00 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

17:06:21 <JeffP> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 May)

PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 May)

17:06:29 <jeremycarroll> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

17:06:33 <uli> zakim, ??P2 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P2 is me

17:06:33 <Zakim> +uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it

17:06:36 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

17:06:36 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

17:06:39 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.07/Minutes

Jeff Pan: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.07/Minutes

17:06:44 <bijan> zakim, who is here?

Bijan Parsia: zakim, who is here?

17:06:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), ??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), ??P3

17:06:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see bijan, alanr, bmotik, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bijan, alanr, bmotik, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng

17:06:53 <bijan> zakim, ??P3 is me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P3 is me

17:06:53 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it

17:07:00 <bijan> I have!

Bijan Parsia: I have!

17:07:15 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:07:15 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:07:39 <Rinke> Peter told me they were ok

Rinke Hoekstra: Peter told me they were ok

17:07:53 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:07:56 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

17:07:57 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

17:07:58 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:07:59 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

17:08:02 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:08:03 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1

17:08:03 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer?

17:08:03 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-08-03-1

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-08-03-1

17:08:06 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:08:12 <JeffP> Minutes accepted

Jeff Pan: Minutes accepted

17:08:15 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

17:08:43 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

17:09:09 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille

Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille

17:09:09 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

17:09:12 <JeffP> Topic: Action items status

3. Action items status

17:09:35 <Rinke> scribenick JeffP

Rinke Hoekstra: scribenick JeffP

17:09:50 <JeffP> (thanks, Rinke)

Jeff Pan: (thanks, Rinke)

17:10:10 <bijan> Done!

Bijan Parsia: Done!

17:10:34 <JeffP> Action 129: Done

Jeff Pan: ACTION-129: Done

17:10:47 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:10:47 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:12:06 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:12:06 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:12:43 <JeffP> Action132: done

Scribe problem: the name 'Action132' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Action132: done [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:12:48 <JeffP> Action133: done

Scribe problem: the name 'Action133' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Action133: done [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:13:13 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

17:13:38 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:13:38 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:14:40 <bmotik> It'll be hard to see the difference w.r.t. subsumption: individuals (anonymous or not) are parts of the ABox and therefore usually don't affect the subsumption.

Boris Motik: It'll be hard to see the difference w.r.t. subsumption: individuals (anonymous or not) are parts of the ABox and therefore usually don't affect the subsumption.

17:14:44 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:14:44 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:14:52 <bijan> bmotik, yeah

Bijan Parsia: bmotik, yeah

17:15:03 <JeffP> Action142: done

Scribe problem: the name 'Action142' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Action142: done [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:15:26 <bmotik> I actually believe that Bijan's Web page says as much as can be said about the difference between the skolem and nonskolem semantics.

Boris Motik: I actually believe that Bijan's Web page says as much as can be said about the difference between the skolem and nonskolem semantics.

17:15:27 <JeffP> Action 145: done

Jeff Pan: ACTION-145: done

17:15:47 <JeffP> Action 146: done

Jeff Pan: ACTION-146: done

17:15:55 <JeffP> Action 149: done

Jeff Pan: ACTION-149: done

17:16:26 <bijan> bmotik, I'm certainly drawing a blank :(

Bijan Parsia: bmotik, I'm certainly drawing a blank :(

17:16:36 <bijan> +1 to endorsement

Bijan Parsia: +1 to endorsement

17:16:44 <JeffP> IanH: any comments on Jeremy's review on RIF?

Ian Horrocks: any comments on Jeremy's review on RIF? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:16:54 <bijan> Peter and I responded to his finalized comments with approval

Bijan Parsia: Peter and I responded to his finalized comments with approval

17:17:07 <JeffP> ... any pointer?

Jeff Pan: ... any pointer?

17:17:31 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/mid/482984E7.4000806@hpl.hp.com

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/mid/482984E7.4000806@hpl.hp.com

17:17:42 <bijan> (Pointer to thread where peter and I approve.)

Bijan Parsia: (Pointer to thread where peter and I approve.)

17:17:58 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085

Jeremy Carroll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085

17:18:09 <ewallace> I will continue my Syntax doc review for 1 more week

Evan Wallace: I will continue my Syntax doc review for 1 more week

17:18:18 <bmotik> The only way to show differences in the skolem and nonskolem semantics by means of subsumption is to use ObjectHasValue with anonymous individuals.

Boris Motik: The only way to show differences in the skolem and nonskolem semantics by means of subsumption is to use ObjectHasValue with anonymous individuals.

17:18:46 <bijan> bmotik, yes.

Bijan Parsia: bmotik, yes.

17:19:13 <JeffP> Action 43: continue

Jeff Pan: ACTION-43: continue

17:19:37 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065

Jeremy Carroll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065

17:19:50 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:20:25 <jeremycarroll> q-

Jeremy Carroll: q-

17:20:41 <bijan> Off the hook!

Bijan Parsia: Off the hook!

17:20:44 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

17:20:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:20:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:21:14 <JeffP> Action 43: close

Jeff Pan: ACTION-43: close

17:21:19 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:21:19 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:21:22 <JeffP> Action 139: continue

Jeff Pan: ACTION-139: continue

17:21:34 <JeffP> Action 143: continue

Jeff Pan: ACTION-143: continue

17:22:02 <JeffP> Action 112: continue

Jeff Pan: ACTION-112: continue

17:22:12 <ewallace> I continued the UFDTF action Jeff

Evan Wallace: I continued the UFDTF action Jeff

17:22:23 <JeffP> Action 144: close

Jeff Pan: ACTION-144: close

17:22:58 <JeffP> Action 147: continue

Jeff Pan: ACTION-147: continue

17:23:18 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

17:23:28 <JeffP> IanH: Jeremy's review on RIF

Ian Horrocks: Jeremy's review on RIF [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:23:32 <IanH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065

Ian Horrocks: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065

17:23:49 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085

Jeremy Carroll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085

17:24:01 <JeffP> alanr: get rid of stuffs that are not related to this WG

Alan Ruttenberg: get rid of stuffs that are not related to this WG [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:24:02 <bijan> Isn't it moot now?

Bijan Parsia: Isn't it moot now?

17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> B) On the editors note, at the end of section 1, we advise that RDF

Jeremy Carroll: B) On the editors note, at the end of section 1, we advise that RDF

17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> entailment is much less interesting than the others (simple, RDFS, D,

Jeremy Carroll: entailment is much less interesting than the others (simple, RDFS, D,

17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> OWL DL, OWL Full), and we would not expect opposition to RIF not

Jeremy Carroll: OWL DL, OWL Full), and we would not expect opposition to RIF not

17:24:09 <jeremycarroll> supporting it.

Jeremy Carroll: supporting it.

17:25:01 <JeffP> IanH: any comments?

Ian Horrocks: any comments? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:25:17 <bijan> I'm indifferent. I think it's harmless to leave it in. Given that its sent and non binding anyway...does it matter?

Bijan Parsia: I'm indifferent. I think it's harmless to leave it in. Given that its sent and non binding anyway...does it matter?

17:25:29 <JeffP> Jeremy: ok

Jeremy Carroll: ok [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:26:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:26:11 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

17:26:29 <sandro> PROPOSED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B

PROPOSED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B

17:26:36 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

17:26:37 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:26:39 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:26:39 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:26:40 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1

17:26:42 <JeffP> +1

Jeff Pan: +1

17:26:42 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

17:26:43 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

17:26:44 <jeremycarroll> +1

Jeremy Carroll: +1

17:26:55 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:27:02 <sandro> RESOLVED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B

RESOLVED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B

17:27:35 <JeffP> Topic: Issue 97

4. ISSUE-97

17:27:47 <JeffP> IanH: there is a written proposal from Sandro

Ian Horrocks: there is a written proposal from Sandro [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:27:59 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:28:00 <bmotik> Could Sandro please summarize his proposal?

Boris Motik: Could Sandro please summarize his proposal?

17:28:30 <JeffP> pointer?

Jeff Pan: pointer?

17:28:44 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html

Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html

17:29:15 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:29:34 <bijan> Also worth noting: http://www.w3.org/mid/5.1.1.6.2.20080521083649.0d0fb068@mail.muzmo.com

Bijan Parsia: Also worth noting: http://www.w3.org/mid/5.1.1.6.2.20080521083649.0d0fb068@mail.muzmo.com

17:30:49 <JeffP> IanH: comments?

Ian Horrocks: comments? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:30:53 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:30:53 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:31:08 <JeffP> bijan: agree with sandro in general

Bijan Parsia: agree with sandro in general [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:31:38 <JeffP> ... GRDDL is not clear what are required though

Jeff Pan: ... GRDDL is not clear what are required though

17:31:59 <JeffP> ... sandro's proposal is as good as anything else

Jeff Pan: ... sandro's proposal is as good as anything else

17:32:01 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:32:01 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:32:04 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:32:19 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:32:19 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:32:22 <JeffP> IanH: any comments on ording?

Ian Horrocks: any comments on ording? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:32:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:33:08 <JeffP> bijan: parallel way is fine as long as it is clear

Bijan Parsia: parallel way is fine as long as it is clear [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:33:27 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:33:27 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:33:55 <JeffP> IanH: not asking to come up with implementation might not be proper

Ian Horrocks: not asking to come up with implementation might not be proper [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:34:07 <ewallace> let's move on

Evan Wallace: let's move on

17:35:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html

PROPOSED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html

17:35:43 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:35:45 <JeffP> +1

Jeff Pan: +1

17:35:46 <sandro> +1 of course  :-)

Sandro Hawke: +1 of course :-)

17:35:49 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:35:52 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

17:35:55 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

17:35:56 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

17:35:57 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

17:35:59 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

17:36:06 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1

17:36:07 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:36:08 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:36:10 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:36:12 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

17:36:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html

RESOLVED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html

17:36:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:36:45 <JeffP> Topic: Issues (50 minutes) - Address as many as possible during allocated time

5. Issues (50 minutes) - Address as many as possible during allocated time

17:37:30 <JeffP> Issue 4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email

Jeff Pan: ISSUE-4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email

17:37:46 <JeffP> IanH: we could resolve this without taking any action

Ian Horrocks: we could resolve this without taking any action [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:38:52 <IanH> PROPOSED: Issue 4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email

PROPOSED: ISSUE-4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email

17:38:54 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:38:58 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

17:38:59 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:39:01 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

17:39:06 <JeffP> +1

Jeff Pan: +1

17:39:07 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

17:39:11 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:39:12 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

17:39:13 <sandro> +0 haven't followed, sorry

Sandro Hawke: +0 haven't followed, sorry

17:39:15 <bijan> The proposal is wrong

Bijan Parsia: The proposal is wrong

17:39:18 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:39:45 <bijan> Close ISSUE 4 per alan's email as rejected

Bijan Parsia: Close ISSUE-4 per alan's email as rejected

17:39:48 <Rinke> Alan's email is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html

Rinke Hoekstra: Alan's email is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html

17:39:50 <IanH> PROPOSED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html

PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html

17:39:55 <bijan> Yes

Bijan Parsia: Yes

17:39:55 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:39:56 <jeremycarroll> 0 (I'm concentrating on the next issue)

Jeremy Carroll: 0 (I'm concentrating on the next issue)

17:39:58 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1

17:39:59 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:39:59 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:39:59 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

17:40:03 <JeffP> +1

Jeff Pan: +1

17:40:04 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

17:40:05 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

17:40:06 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

17:40:06 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:40:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:40:29 <bijan> No no

Bijan Parsia: No no

17:40:30 <bijan> No no

Bijan Parsia: No no

17:40:32 <bijan> Yes

Bijan Parsia: Yes

17:40:45 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:40:45 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:40:47 <sandro> +0 haven't followed this issue, sorry

Sandro Hawke: +0 haven't followed this issue, sorry

17:40:53 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:40:55 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:40:55 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:41:10 <JeffP> RESOLVED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html

RESOLVED: resolve ISSUE-4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html

17:41:11 <IanH> RESOLVED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html

RESOLVED: resolve ISSUE-4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html

17:41:32 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

17:41:42 <JeffP> Topic: #  Issue 71 Data ranges for literals with Language, per Peter's email

6. # ISSUE-71 Data ranges for literals with Language, per Peter's email

17:41:47 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:42:02 <Rinke> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0019.html

Rinke Hoekstra: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0019.html

17:42:12 <JeffP> alanr: some comments from SWCG

Alan Ruttenberg: some comments from SWCG [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:42:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:42:35 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

17:43:01 <JeffP> sandro: seems that both OWL and RIF are working this

Sandro Hawke: seems that both OWL and RIF are working this [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:43:07 <IanH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html

Ian Horrocks: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html

17:43:16 <jeremycarroll> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

17:43:27 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:43:28 <alanr> ack sandro

Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro

17:43:30 <alanr> ack head

Alan Ruttenberg: ack head

17:43:31 <JeffP> ... which one comes up with a proposal will be the one

Jeff Pan: ... which one comes up with a proposal will be the one

17:43:32 <alanr> ack torso

Alan Ruttenberg: ack torso

17:43:35 <alanr> ack right

Alan Ruttenberg: ack right

17:44:08 <JeffP> ... need to have a join TF

Jeff Pan: ... need to have a join TF

17:44:16 <JeffP> alanr: how about name space?

Alan Ruttenberg: how about name space? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:44:23 <bijan> RDF!

Bijan Parsia: RDF!

17:44:27 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:44:27 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:44:45 <alanr> rdfs

Alan Ruttenberg: rdfs

17:44:55 <JeffP> sandro: there are some  problem of RDF name space

Sandro Hawke: there are some problem of RDF name space [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:45:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:45:04 <IanH> ack

Ian Horrocks: ack

17:45:09 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll

Ian Horrocks: ack jeremycarroll

17:45:35 <sandro> My message on this subject: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html

Sandro Hawke: My message on this subject: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html

17:45:53 <bijan> q+ for a slight tangent about data uris

Bijan Parsia: q+ for a slight tangent about data uris

17:46:01 <alanr> yes, i noticed that this is a new pattern syntax. (distinctly not pcre)

Alan Ruttenberg: yes, i noticed that this is a new pattern syntax. (distinctly not pcre)

17:46:03 <bijan> q+ to make a slight tangent about data uris

Bijan Parsia: q+ to make a slight tangent about data uris

17:46:09 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?

Jeff Pan: zakim, who is talking?

17:46:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:46:20 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (48%), jeremycarroll (77%)

Zakim IRC Bot: JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (48%), jeremycarroll (77%)

17:46:20 <sandro> Jeremy: there is a language matching language, which is different from the XML matching language.

Jeremy Carroll: there is a language matching language, which is different from the XML matching language. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:46:41 <IanH> he stopped

Ian Horrocks: he stopped

17:46:47 <IanH> hope he is still alive

Ian Horrocks: hope he is still alive

17:47:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:48:32 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:48:32 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:49:07 <JeffP> (jeremy, could you summarise your comments please?)

Jeff Pan: (jeremy, could you summarise your comments please?)

17:49:18 <jeremycarroll> are you talking about the data: scheme?

Jeremy Carroll: are you talking about the data: scheme?

17:49:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:49:23 <bijan> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2397

Bijan Parsia: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2397

17:49:26 <IanH> ack bijan

Ian Horrocks: ack bijan

17:49:26 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to make a slight tangent about data uris

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to make a slight tangent about data uris

17:50:11 <jeremycarroll> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

17:50:15 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

17:50:24 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:50:38 <bijan> boris from owl, peter from RIF :)

Bijan Parsia: boris from owl, peter from RIF :)

17:50:39 <JeffP> ... besides sandro

Jeff Pan: ... besides sandro

17:51:03 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

17:51:15 <JeffP> sandro: Boris has been working on the texts

Sandro Hawke: Boris has been working on the texts [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:51:17 <alanr> ~

Alan Ruttenberg: ~

17:51:32 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll

Ian Horrocks: ack jeremycarroll

17:51:36 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:51:36 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

17:51:51 <alanr> swcg harmonization issue

Alan Ruttenberg: swcg harmonization issue

17:52:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:52:15 <jeremycarroll> jeremy: we should invite I18N WG to participate in the TF

Jeremy Carroll: we should invite I18N WG to participate in the TF [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

17:52:17 <IanH> ack bijan

Ian Horrocks: ack bijan

17:52:46 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:52:46 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:52:46 <jeremycarroll> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

17:52:50 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:52:52 <sandro> Bijan:  Let's just find an editor or two and have them write something and make sure it's okay with the stakeholders.

Bijan Parsia: Let's just find an editor or two and have them write something and make sure it's okay with the stakeholders. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:52:58 <sandro> +1 Bijan

Sandro Hawke: +1 Bijan

17:53:01 <JeffP> IanH: good to keep the process lightweight

Ian Horrocks: good to keep the process lightweight [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:53:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:53:21 <sandro> ack alanr

Sandro Hawke: ack alanr

17:53:46 <bijan> If no one else volunteers, I shall, assuming it's roughly as easy as sandro delineated :)

Bijan Parsia: If no one else volunteers, I shall, assuming it's roughly as easy as sandro delineated :)

17:53:48 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:54:24 <sandro> Jeremy: we should invite people like: "You're welcome to join, but you might prefer to review the finished document"

Jeremy Carroll: we should invite i18n like: "You're welcome to join, but you might prefer to review the finished document" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:54:33 <sandro> s/people/i18n/
17:54:47 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

17:54:50 <jeremycarroll> q-

Jeremy Carroll: q-

17:54:51 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:55:08 <JeffP> sandro: there is a dependency on the XML WG too

Sandro Hawke: there is a dependency on the XML Schema WG too [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:55:16 <sandro> s/XML/XML Schema/
17:55:17 <jeremycarroll> ^XML^XML Schema

Jeremy Carroll: ^XML^XML Schema

17:55:20 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:55:20 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:55:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:55:22 <JeffP> IanH: could we agree on bijan's proposal?

Ian Horrocks: could we agree on bijan's proposal? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:55:41 <alanr> Sandro: is OWL 1 issue with closed namespace same as RDF closed namespace issue?

Sandro Hawke: is OWL 1 issue with closed namespace same as RDF closed namespace issue? [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ]

17:55:53 <jeremycarroll> I'm convinced by sandro's comment - ask stakeholders after we have a doc

Jeremy Carroll: I'm convinced by sandro's comment - ask stakeholders after we have a doc

17:55:54 <JeffP> bijan: we could have a TF when people disagree

Bijan Parsia: we could have a TF when people disagree [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:55:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:56:02 <IanH> ack

Ian Horrocks: ack

17:56:08 <bijan> zakin, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakin, mute me

17:56:11 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:56:23 <IanH> ack bijan

Ian Horrocks: ack bijan

17:56:54 <JeffP> IanH: who will work on this?

Ian Horrocks: who will work on this? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:57:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:57:20 <JeffP> alanr: we need to work out a solution for the name space

Alan Ruttenberg: we need to work out a solution for the namespace [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:57:34 <JeffP> s/name space/namespace
17:57:48 <JeffP> sandro: we could leave the namespace as an open issue

Sandro Hawke: we could leave the namespace as an open issue [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:57:55 <jeremycarroll> To me the langPattern is an OWL functionality, not an RDF one, whereas the class of all internationalizedstrings is possibly an RDF concept

Jeremy Carroll: To me the langPattern is an OWL functionality, not an RDF one, whereas the class of all internationalizedstrings is possibly an RDF concept

17:57:55 <bijan> Conditionally!

Bijan Parsia: Conditionally!

17:58:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:58:04 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

17:58:06 <JeffP> sandro: I heard bijan would like to act on it

Sandro Hawke: I heard bijan would like to act on it [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:58:10 <alanr> RDF/XML: Any other names are not defined and SHOULD generate a warning when encountered, but should otherwise behave normally.

Alan Ruttenberg: RDF/XML: Any other names are not defined and SHOULD generate a warning when encountered, but should otherwise behave normally.

17:58:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:58:37 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:58:37 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:59:05 <JeffP> boris: no opinion on namespace; also busy with other work in the WG

Boris Motik: no opinion on namespace; also busy with other work in the WG [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

17:59:09 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:59:09 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:59:32 <baojie> ok

Jie Bao: ok

17:59:41 <JeffP> alanr: anyone on call can work on this?

Alan Ruttenberg: anyone on call can work on this? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:00:06 <jeremycarroll> I believe the RDF Syntax text is meant to be forward compatible ...

Jeremy Carroll: I believe the RDF Syntax text is meant to be forward compatible ...

18:00:39 <alanr> action: baojie edit langed literal document

ACTION: baojie edit langed literal document

18:00:39 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie

18:00:46 <alanr> action: jiebao edit langed literal document

ACTION: jiebao edit langed literal document

18:00:46 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - jiebao

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - jiebao

18:01:07 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:01:08 <JeffP> Topic: #  Issue 123 Should we add QCR-s into the rule set of OWL-R-Full/Ivan, per [1]

7. # ISSUE-123 Should we add QCR-s into the rule set of OWL-R-Full/Ivan, per [1]

18:01:35 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:01:35 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:01:36 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:01:41 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:01:53 <JeffP> boris: OWL-R-DL support some QCRs

Boris Motik: OWL-R-DL support some QCRs [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:02:01 <sandro> ACTION: Bao create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace

ACTION: Bao create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace

18:02:01 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-150 - Create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-150 - Create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28].

18:02:05 <alanr> action: jie bao to edit langed literal document

ACTION: jie bao to edit langed literal document

18:02:05 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-151 - Bao to edit langed literal document [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-151 - Bao to edit langed literal document [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28].

18:02:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:02:39 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

18:02:42 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:02:42 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:02:52 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

18:02:53 <JeffP> ... OWL-R-Full should cover the same set of features

Jeff Pan: ... OWL-R-Full should cover the same set of features

18:02:56 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1

18:02:59 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:03:24 <bijan> +1 to the editorial gerrymander

Bijan Parsia: +1 to the editorial gerrymander

18:03:48 <JeffP> .Action 123: done

Jeff Pan: .ACTION-123: done

18:03:59 <JeffP> Topic: #  Issue 111 User intent signalling (other than via mime type) see Sandro's email

8. # ISSUE-111 User intent signalling (other than via mime type) see Sandro's email

18:04:12 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/mid/6098.1208894358@ubuhebe

Jeff Pan: http://www.w3.org/mid/6098.1208894358@ubuhebe

18:04:35 <bmotik> We might want to take up imports and versioning today out-of-order. This is a fresh issue that, given the recent discussion, might be gotten out of the way quickly.

Boris Motik: We might want to take up imports and versioning today out-of-order. This is a fresh issue that, given the recent discussion, might be gotten out of the way quickly.

18:04:46 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:04:51 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:04:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:04:55 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

18:05:15 <JeffP> bijan: the processing model is unclear

Bijan Parsia: the processing model is unclear [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:05:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:05:26 <IanH> ack bijan

Ian Horrocks: ack bijan

18:05:43 <alanr> 123 has been updated to be editorial. boris, feel free to close

Alan Ruttenberg: 123 has been updated to be editorial. boris, feel free to close

18:05:46 <alanr> q+ alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr

18:05:50 <JeffP> ... adding more properties without semantics is worrying

Jeff Pan: ... adding more properties without semantics is worrying

18:06:04 <sandro> my e-mail about it:   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0265.html

Sandro Hawke: my e-mail about it: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0265.html

18:06:10 <JeffP> Issue 123: close

Jeff Pan: ISSUE-123: close

18:06:14 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:06:24 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:06:26 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:06:26 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:06:30 <JeffP> alanr: tend to agree with bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: tend to agree with bijan [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:07:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:07:12 <JeffP> ... not sure what to do with imports

Jeff Pan: ... not sure what to do with imports

18:07:13 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:07:21 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:07:21 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:07:27 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:07:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:07:43 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:07:54 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:07:54 <JeffP> boris: signal to tools are not needed

Boris Motik: signal to tools are not needed [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:08:31 <alanr> what if it says nothing but imported one says something

Alan Ruttenberg: what if it says nothing but imported one says something

18:08:33 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:09:02 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:09:02 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:09:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:09:04 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:09:18 <sandro> q+ to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you?

Sandro Hawke: q+ to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you?

18:09:23 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

18:09:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:09:33 <JeffP> bijan: useful to distinguish DL and Full semantics

Bijan Parsia: useful to distinguish DL and Full semantics [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:10:10 <JeffP> ... also might be useful in some use cases

Jeff Pan: ... also might be useful in some use cases

18:10:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:10:13 <bmotik> Sandro, sure; however, my point is that this is defined by the syntax itself. There is no need to say "this ontology should be interpreted as EL++": if it falls into the EL++ fragment, it is an EL++ ontology.

Boris Motik: Sandro, sure; however, my point is that this is defined by the syntax itself. There is no need to say "this ontology should be interpreted as EL++": if it falls into the EL++ fragment, it is an EL++ ontology.

18:10:26 <sandro> ack sandro

Sandro Hawke: ack sandro

18:10:26 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you?

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you?

18:10:27 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

18:10:28 <bmotik> The only problem is where we are changing the semantics.

Boris Motik: The only problem is where we are changing the semantics.

18:10:32 <JeffP> +1 boris

Jeff Pan: +1 boris

18:11:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:11:06 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:11:38 <jeremycarroll> q+ to respond to sandro

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to respond to sandro

18:11:42 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:11:42 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted

18:12:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:12:12 <IanH> ack uli

Ian Horrocks: ack uli

18:12:19 <JeffP> uli: should not have any semantics; it would be helpful to signal sth

Uli Sattler: should not have any semantics; it would be helpful to signal sth [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:12:25 <bmotik> q-

Boris Motik: q-

18:12:31 <sandro> Uli: I like intendedProfile as a hint, but not as formal semantics

Uli Sattler: I like intendedProfile as a hint, but not as formal semantics [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:12:32 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:12:32 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:12:37 <bmotik> Yes

Boris Motik: Yes

18:12:43 <bijan> Is this different than owl:deprecatedClass?

Bijan Parsia: Is this different than owl:deprecatedClass?

18:13:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:13:18 <IanH> ack jerermycarroll

Ian Horrocks: ack jerermycarroll

18:13:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:13:35 <sandro> sure -- error message are a pretty trivial point.

Sandro Hawke: sure -- error message are a pretty trivial point.

18:13:44 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll

Ian Horrocks: ack jeremycarroll

18:13:44 <Zakim> jeremycarroll, you wanted to respond to sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremycarroll, you wanted to respond to sandro

18:13:48 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:14:07 <bijan> q+ to ask sandro about the brokenness

Bijan Parsia: q+ to ask sandro about the brokenness

18:14:17 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:14:22 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:15:02 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:15:02 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

18:16:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:16:08 <IanH> ack bijan

Ian Horrocks: ack bijan

18:16:08 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to ask sandro about the brokenness

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to ask sandro about the brokenness

18:16:33 <sandro> +1 Bijan -- don't reject Full document if you are Full....     repair with warning, etc.

Sandro Hawke: +1 Bijan -- don't reject Full document if you are Full.... repair with warning, etc.

18:16:47 <bijan> +1 to sandro thing

Bijan Parsia: +1 to sandro thing

18:16:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:18:33 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:18:40 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:18:48 <JeffP> ack alanr

Jeff Pan: ack alanr

18:19:05 <JeffP> IanH: continue discussion by emails

Ian Horrocks: continue discussion by emails [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:19:18 <JeffP> Topic: Issue 124 (newly open) The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain

9. ISSUE-124 (newly open) The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain

18:19:28 <sandro> maybe in e-mail, Uli, you can explain to me why the having formal meaning to this is harmful?

Sandro Hawke: maybe in e-mail, Uli, you can explain to me why the having formal meaning to this is harmful?

18:20:00 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:20:05 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:20:05 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:20:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:20:11 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:20:37 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:20:41 <ewallace> sounds good to me

Evan Wallace: sounds good to me

18:20:45 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:21:06 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:21:06 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:21:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:21:22 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:21:22 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:21:46 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:21:47 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:21:53 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:22:13 <JeffP> boris: this is not intended to be used by people

Boris Motik: this is not intended to be used by people [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:22:19 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:22:57 <JeffP> ... mainly for some process in the background e.g. moving expressions from one side to the other

Jeff Pan: ... mainly for some process in the background e.g. moving expressions from one side to the other

18:23:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:23:28 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:23:28 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

18:23:41 <JeffP> ... so the complement is implicitly there and it should be in the language

Jeff Pan: ... so the complement is implicitly there and it should be in the language

18:23:46 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:23:46 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:23:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:23:54 <IanH> ack bijan

Ian Horrocks: ack bijan

18:25:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:25:08 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:25:09 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:25:09 <JeffP> bijan: support it strongly

Bijan Parsia: support it strongly [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ]

18:25:32 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

18:25:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), bijan (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), bijan (muted),

18:25:36 <Zakim> ... Achille

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Achille

18:25:59 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:26:02 <bmotik> Could we perhaps handle imports?

Boris Motik: Could we perhaps handle imports?

18:26:12 <sandro> PRESENT: bmotik, Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke, Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau, Alan, MarkusK, uli, bijan, Achille
18:26:22 <bmotik> Zakim, umnute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, umnute me

18:26:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umnute me', bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'umnute me', bmotik

18:26:25 <bijan> Agenda amendment (last minute) is there a publication plan?

Bijan Parsia: Agenda amendment (last minute) is there a publication plan?

18:26:26 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:26:26 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:26:30 <ewallace> In 4 minutes?

Evan Wallace: In 4 minutes?

18:26:31 <sandro> Chair: Ian
18:26:50 <sandro> Scribe: JeffP

(Scribe set to Jeff Pan)

18:27:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:27:57 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:28:05 <JeffP> IanH: too less time to allow detailed discussions on the remaining actions

Ian Horrocks: too less time to allow detailed discussions on the remaining actions

18:28:34 <ewallace> sort of

Evan Wallace: sort of

18:28:40 <alanr> we're out of time. point proved

Alan Ruttenberg: we're out of time. point proved

18:28:49 <JeffP> (better next time then)

(better next time then)

18:28:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:28:55 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:29:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:29:23 <JeffP> bijan: any plan for republication?

Bijan Parsia: any plan for republication?

18:29:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:29:43 <JeffP> IanH: should get the reviews first

Ian Horrocks: should get the reviews first

18:30:51 <bijan> ta ta

Bijan Parsia: ta ta

18:30:53 <Rinke> thanks

Rinke Hoekstra: thanks

18:30:54 <uli> bye

Uli Sattler: bye

18:30:54 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace

18:30:56 <Zakim> -bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan

18:30:56 <Rinke> bye

Rinke Hoekstra: bye

18:30:56 <JeffP> ciao

ciao

18:30:57 <Zhe> bye

Zhe Wu: bye

18:30:59 <Achille> bye

Achille Fokoue: bye

18:30:59 <Zakim> -MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK

18:31:00 <Zakim> -Alan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan

18:31:00 <IanH> bye

Ian Horrocks: bye

18:31:01 <Zakim> -Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe

18:31:02 <Zakim> -uli

Zakim IRC Bot: -uli

18:31:02 <Zakim> -Rinke

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke

18:31:04 <Zakim> -bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik

18:31:06 <Zakim> -baojie

Zakim IRC Bot: -baojie

18:31:07 <Zakim> -jeremycarroll

Zakim IRC Bot: -jeremycarroll

18:31:08 <Zakim> -IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH

18:31:14 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau

Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau

18:31:14 <sandro> JeffP, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Minutes is ready for cleanup.

Sandro Hawke: JeffP, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Minutes is ready for cleanup.

18:31:15 <Zakim> -Achille

Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille

18:31:28 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

18:31:29 <Zakim> -JeffP

Zakim IRC Bot: -JeffP

18:31:29 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

18:31:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Evan_Wallace, bmotik, Sandro, +22427aaaa, +7.233.aabb, JeffP, Rinke, +0186527aadd, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaee, baojie, IanH, Alan, bcuencagrau, MarkusK, jeremycarroll,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Evan_Wallace, bmotik, Sandro, +22427aaaa, +7.233.aabb, JeffP, Rinke, +0186527aadd, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaee, baojie, IanH, Alan, bcuencagrau, MarkusK, jeremycarroll,

18:31:32 <Zakim> ... uli, bijan, Achille

Zakim IRC Bot: ... uli, bijan, Achille

18:31:57 <IanH> Sandro: are you creating the minutes?

Sandro Hawke: are you creating the minutes? [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ]

18:32:08 <sandro> Yep all done, IanH.

Sandro Hawke: Yep all done, IanH.

18:32:17 <IanH> Thanks!

Ian Horrocks: Thanks!



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