Issues (50 minutes) - Address as many as possible during allocated time
# Issue 71 Data ranges for literals with Language, per Peter's email
# Issue 123 Should we add QCR-s into the rule set of OWL-R-Full/Ivan, per [1]
# Issue 111 User intent signalling (other than via mime type) see Sandro's email
Issue 124 (newly open) The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain
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16:57:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc ←
16:57:56 <bmotik> Zakim, who is on call
Boris Motik: Zakim, who is on call ←
16:57:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on call', bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on call', bmotik ←
16:58:12 <Rinke> Zakim, this is owl
Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, this is owl ←
16:58:12 <Zakim> Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owl".
Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owl". ←
16:58:25 <Rinke> zakim, this is owlwg
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, this is owlwg ←
16:58:25 <Zakim> Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg".
Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg". ←
16:58:55 <IanH> zakim, this will be owl
Ian Horrocks: zakim, this will be owl ←
16:58:55 <Zakim> ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started ←
16:59:34 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
17:00:05 <Rinke> zakim, who is here?
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, who is here? ←
17:00:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P12, Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P12, Evan_Wallace ←
17:00:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng ←
17:00:17 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P12 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P12 is me ←
17:00:17 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
17:00:23 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:00:23 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:00:37 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
17:01:05 <Zakim> + +22427aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +22427aaaa ←
17:01:15 <Zakim> + +7.233.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.233.aabb ←
17:01:20 <JeffP> Zakim, aaaa is me
17:01:20 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it ←
17:01:25 <Rinke> Zakim, aabb is me
Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, aabb is me ←
17:01:25 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it ←
17:01:36 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, mute me ←
17:01:36 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke should now be muted ←
17:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aacc ←
17:02:11 <Zakim> + +0186527aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186527aadd ←
17:02:12 <Zhe> Zakim, +1.603.897.aacc is me
Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.aacc is me ←
17:02:13 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
17:02:18 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaee ←
17:02:30 <baojie> Zakim aaee is baojie
Jie Bao: Zakim aaee is baojie ←
17:02:43 <baojie> Zakim, aaee is baojie
Jie Bao: Zakim, aaee is baojie ←
17:02:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it ←
17:03:03 <IanH> zakim, aadd is me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, aadd is me ←
17:03:03 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←
17:03:07 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
17:03:12 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24 ←
17:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng ←
17:03:29 <jeremy_> zakim, +??P24 is jeremy
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, +??P24 is jeremy ←
17:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, jeremy_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P24'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jeremy_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P24' ←
17:03:31 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
17:03:32 <Zakim> +Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan ←
17:03:38 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P26 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P26 is me ←
17:03:38 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
17:03:48 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
17:03:48 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
17:03:58 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:03:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan ←
17:03:58 <jeremy_> zakim, ??P24 is me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, ??P24 is me ←
17:04:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng ←
17:04:02 <Zakim> +jeremy_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy_; got it ←
17:04:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
17:04:29 <jeremycarroll> zakim, jeremy_ is jeremycarroll
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, jeremy_ is jeremycarroll ←
17:04:29 <Zakim> +jeremycarroll; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremycarroll; got it ←
17:04:54 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:04:57 <alanr> alanr has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Agenda
Alan Ruttenberg: alanr has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Agenda ←
17:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK ←
17:05:09 <JeffP> Topic: ADMIN (20 min)
17:05:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng ←
17:05:23 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
17:05:23 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-05-23
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-05-23 ←
17:05:26 <jeremycarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:05:34 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
17:05:41 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:05:46 <Zakim> sorry, uli, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, uli, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
17:05:50 <JeffP> Topic: Agenda amendments?
17:06:00 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
17:06:21 <JeffP> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 May)
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 May) ←
17:06:29 <jeremycarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:06:33 <uli> zakim, ??P2 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P2 is me ←
17:06:33 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
17:06:36 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:06:36 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:06:39 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.07/Minutes
Jeff Pan: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.07/Minutes ←
17:06:44 <bijan> zakim, who is here?
Bijan Parsia: zakim, who is here? ←
17:06:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), ??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), ??P3 ←
17:06:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see bijan, alanr, bmotik, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bijan, alanr, bmotik, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng ←
17:06:53 <bijan> zakim, ??P3 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P3 is me ←
17:06:53 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
17:07:00 <bijan> I have!
Bijan Parsia: I have! ←
17:07:15 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:07:15 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:07:39 <Rinke> Peter told me they were ok
Rinke Hoekstra: Peter told me they were ok ←
17:07:53 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:07:56 <baojie> +1
17:07:57 <Zhe> +1
17:07:58 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:07:59 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
17:08:02 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:08:03 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
17:08:03 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
17:08:03 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-08-03-1
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-08-03-1 ←
17:08:06 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:08:12 <JeffP> Minutes accepted
17:08:15 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:08:43 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:09:09 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille ←
17:09:09 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:09:12 <JeffP> Topic: Action items status
17:09:35 <Rinke> scribenick JeffP
Rinke Hoekstra: scribenick JeffP ←
17:09:50 <JeffP> (thanks, Rinke)
17:10:10 <bijan> Done!
Bijan Parsia: Done! ←
17:10:34 <JeffP> Action 129: Done
Jeff Pan: ACTION-129: Done ←
17:10:47 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:10:47 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:12:06 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:12:06 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:12:43 <JeffP> Action132: done
Scribe problem: the name 'Action132' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Action132: done [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:12:48 <JeffP> Action133: done
Scribe problem: the name 'Action133' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Action133: done [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:13:13 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:13:38 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:13:38 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:14:40 <bmotik> It'll be hard to see the difference w.r.t. subsumption: individuals (anonymous or not) are parts of the ABox and therefore usually don't affect the subsumption.
Boris Motik: It'll be hard to see the difference w.r.t. subsumption: individuals (anonymous or not) are parts of the ABox and therefore usually don't affect the subsumption. ←
17:14:44 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:14:44 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:14:52 <bijan> bmotik, yeah
Bijan Parsia: bmotik, yeah ←
17:15:03 <JeffP> Action142: done
Scribe problem: the name 'Action142' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Action142: done [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:15:26 <bmotik> I actually believe that Bijan's Web page says as much as can be said about the difference between the skolem and nonskolem semantics.
Boris Motik: I actually believe that Bijan's Web page says as much as can be said about the difference between the skolem and nonskolem semantics. ←
17:15:27 <JeffP> Action 145: done
Jeff Pan: ACTION-145: done ←
17:15:47 <JeffP> Action 146: done
Jeff Pan: ACTION-146: done ←
17:15:55 <JeffP> Action 149: done
Jeff Pan: ACTION-149: done ←
17:16:26 <bijan> bmotik, I'm certainly drawing a blank :(
Bijan Parsia: bmotik, I'm certainly drawing a blank :( ←
17:16:36 <bijan> +1 to endorsement
Bijan Parsia: +1 to endorsement ←
17:16:44 <JeffP> IanH: any comments on Jeremy's review on RIF?
Ian Horrocks: any comments on Jeremy's review on RIF? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:16:54 <bijan> Peter and I responded to his finalized comments with approval
Bijan Parsia: Peter and I responded to his finalized comments with approval ←
17:17:07 <JeffP> ... any pointer?
17:17:31 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/mid/482984E7.4000806@hpl.hp.com
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/mid/482984E7.4000806@hpl.hp.com ←
17:17:42 <bijan> (Pointer to thread where peter and I approve.)
Bijan Parsia: (Pointer to thread where peter and I approve.) ←
17:17:58 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085
Jeremy Carroll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 ←
17:18:09 <ewallace> I will continue my Syntax doc review for 1 more week
Evan Wallace: I will continue my Syntax doc review for 1 more week ←
17:18:18 <bmotik> The only way to show differences in the skolem and nonskolem semantics by means of subsumption is to use ObjectHasValue with anonymous individuals.
Boris Motik: The only way to show differences in the skolem and nonskolem semantics by means of subsumption is to use ObjectHasValue with anonymous individuals. ←
17:18:46 <bijan> bmotik, yes.
Bijan Parsia: bmotik, yes. ←
17:19:13 <JeffP> Action 43: continue
Jeff Pan: ACTION-43: continue ←
17:19:37 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065
Jeremy Carroll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065 ←
17:19:50 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:20:25 <jeremycarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:20:41 <bijan> Off the hook!
Bijan Parsia: Off the hook! ←
17:20:44 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
17:20:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:20:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:21:14 <JeffP> Action 43: close
17:21:19 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:21:19 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:21:22 <JeffP> Action 139: continue
Jeff Pan: ACTION-139: continue ←
17:21:34 <JeffP> Action 143: continue
Jeff Pan: ACTION-143: continue ←
17:22:02 <JeffP> Action 112: continue
Jeff Pan: ACTION-112: continue ←
17:22:12 <ewallace> I continued the UFDTF action Jeff
Evan Wallace: I continued the UFDTF action Jeff ←
17:22:23 <JeffP> Action 144: close
Jeff Pan: ACTION-144: close ←
17:22:58 <JeffP> Action 147: continue
Jeff Pan: ACTION-147: continue ←
17:23:18 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:23:28 <JeffP> IanH: Jeremy's review on RIF
Ian Horrocks: Jeremy's review on RIF [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:23:32 <IanH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065
Ian Horrocks: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065 ←
17:23:49 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085
Jeremy Carroll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 ←
17:24:01 <JeffP> alanr: get rid of stuffs that are not related to this WG
Alan Ruttenberg: get rid of stuffs that are not related to this WG [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:24:02 <bijan> Isn't it moot now?
Bijan Parsia: Isn't it moot now? ←
17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> B) On the editors note, at the end of section 1, we advise that RDF
Jeremy Carroll: B) On the editors note, at the end of section 1, we advise that RDF ←
17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> entailment is much less interesting than the others (simple, RDFS, D,
Jeremy Carroll: entailment is much less interesting than the others (simple, RDFS, D, ←
17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> OWL DL, OWL Full), and we would not expect opposition to RIF not
Jeremy Carroll: OWL DL, OWL Full), and we would not expect opposition to RIF not ←
17:24:09 <jeremycarroll> supporting it.
Jeremy Carroll: supporting it. ←
17:25:01 <JeffP> IanH: any comments?
Ian Horrocks: any comments? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:25:17 <bijan> I'm indifferent. I think it's harmless to leave it in. Given that its sent and non binding anyway...does it matter?
Bijan Parsia: I'm indifferent. I think it's harmless to leave it in. Given that its sent and non binding anyway...does it matter? ←
17:25:29 <JeffP> Jeremy: ok
Jeremy Carroll: ok [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:26:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:26:11 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
17:26:29 <sandro> PROPOSED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B
PROPOSED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B ←
17:26:36 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
17:26:37 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:26:39 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:26:39 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:26:40 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
17:26:42 <JeffP> +1
17:26:42 <Zhe> +1
17:26:43 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
17:26:44 <jeremycarroll> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
17:26:55 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:27:02 <sandro> RESOLVED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B
RESOLVED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B ←
17:27:35 <JeffP> Topic: Issue 97
17:27:47 <JeffP> IanH: there is a written proposal from Sandro
Ian Horrocks: there is a written proposal from Sandro [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:27:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:28:00 <bmotik> Could Sandro please summarize his proposal?
Boris Motik: Could Sandro please summarize his proposal? ←
17:28:30 <JeffP> pointer?
17:28:44 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html ←
17:29:15 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:29:34 <bijan> Also worth noting: http://www.w3.org/mid/5.1.1.6.2.20080521083649.0d0fb068@mail.muzmo.com
Bijan Parsia: Also worth noting: http://www.w3.org/mid/5.1.1.6.2.20080521083649.0d0fb068@mail.muzmo.com ←
17:30:49 <JeffP> IanH: comments?
Ian Horrocks: comments? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:30:53 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:30:53 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:31:08 <JeffP> bijan: agree with sandro in general
Bijan Parsia: agree with sandro in general [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:31:38 <JeffP> ... GRDDL is not clear what are required though
Jeff Pan: ... GRDDL is not clear what are required though ←
17:31:59 <JeffP> ... sandro's proposal is as good as anything else
Jeff Pan: ... sandro's proposal is as good as anything else ←
17:32:01 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:32:01 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:32:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:32:19 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:32:19 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:32:22 <JeffP> IanH: any comments on ording?
Ian Horrocks: any comments on ording? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:32:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:33:08 <JeffP> bijan: parallel way is fine as long as it is clear
Bijan Parsia: parallel way is fine as long as it is clear [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:33:27 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:33:27 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:33:55 <JeffP> IanH: not asking to come up with implementation might not be proper
Ian Horrocks: not asking to come up with implementation might not be proper [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:34:07 <ewallace> let's move on
Evan Wallace: let's move on ←
17:35:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html
PROPOSED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html ←
17:35:43 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:35:45 <JeffP> +1
17:35:46 <sandro> +1 of course :-)
Sandro Hawke: +1 of course :-) ←
17:35:49 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:35:52 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
17:35:55 <Zhe> +1
17:35:56 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:35:57 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:35:59 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:36:06 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
17:36:07 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:36:08 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:36:10 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:36:12 <baojie> +1
17:36:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html
RESOLVED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html ←
17:36:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:36:45 <JeffP> Topic: Issues (50 minutes) - Address as many as possible during allocated time
17:37:30 <JeffP> Issue 4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email
Jeff Pan: ISSUE-4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email ←
17:37:46 <JeffP> IanH: we could resolve this without taking any action
Ian Horrocks: we could resolve this without taking any action [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:38:52 <IanH> PROPOSED: Issue 4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email
PROPOSED: ISSUE-4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email ←
17:38:54 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:38:58 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:38:59 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:39:01 <baojie> +1
17:39:06 <JeffP> +1
17:39:07 <Zhe> +1
17:39:11 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:39:12 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:39:13 <sandro> +0 haven't followed, sorry
Sandro Hawke: +0 haven't followed, sorry ←
17:39:15 <bijan> The proposal is wrong
Bijan Parsia: The proposal is wrong ←
17:39:18 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:39:45 <bijan> Close ISSUE 4 per alan's email as rejected
Bijan Parsia: Close ISSUE-4 per alan's email as rejected ←
17:39:48 <Rinke> Alan's email is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html
Rinke Hoekstra: Alan's email is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html ←
17:39:50 <IanH> PROPOSED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html
PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html ←
17:39:55 <bijan> Yes
Bijan Parsia: Yes ←
17:39:55 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:39:56 <jeremycarroll> 0 (I'm concentrating on the next issue)
Jeremy Carroll: 0 (I'm concentrating on the next issue) ←
17:39:58 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
17:39:59 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:39:59 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:39:59 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:40:03 <JeffP> +1
17:40:04 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:40:05 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:40:06 <baojie> +1
17:40:06 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:40:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:40:29 <bijan> No no
Bijan Parsia: No no ←
17:40:30 <bijan> No no
Bijan Parsia: No no ←
17:40:32 <bijan> Yes
Bijan Parsia: Yes ←
17:40:45 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:40:45 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:40:47 <sandro> +0 haven't followed this issue, sorry
Sandro Hawke: +0 haven't followed this issue, sorry ←
17:40:53 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:40:55 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:40:55 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:41:10 <JeffP> RESOLVED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html
RESOLVED: resolve ISSUE-4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html ←
17:41:11 <IanH> RESOLVED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html
RESOLVED: resolve ISSUE-4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html ←
17:41:32 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:41:42 <JeffP> Topic: # Issue 71 Data ranges for literals with Language, per Peter's email
17:41:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:42:02 <Rinke> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0019.html
Rinke Hoekstra: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0019.html ←
17:42:12 <JeffP> alanr: some comments from SWCG
Alan Ruttenberg: some comments from SWCG [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:42:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:42:35 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
17:43:01 <JeffP> sandro: seems that both OWL and RIF are working this
Sandro Hawke: seems that both OWL and RIF are working this [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:43:07 <IanH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html
Ian Horrocks: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html ←
17:43:16 <jeremycarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:43:27 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:43:28 <alanr> ack sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro ←
17:43:30 <alanr> ack head
Alan Ruttenberg: ack head ←
17:43:31 <JeffP> ... which one comes up with a proposal will be the one
Jeff Pan: ... which one comes up with a proposal will be the one ←
17:43:32 <alanr> ack torso
Alan Ruttenberg: ack torso ←
17:43:35 <alanr> ack right
Alan Ruttenberg: ack right ←
17:44:08 <JeffP> ... need to have a join TF
Jeff Pan: ... need to have a join TF ←
17:44:16 <JeffP> alanr: how about name space?
Alan Ruttenberg: how about name space? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:44:23 <bijan> RDF!
Bijan Parsia: RDF! ←
17:44:27 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:44:27 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:44:45 <alanr> rdfs
Alan Ruttenberg: rdfs ←
17:44:55 <JeffP> sandro: there are some problem of RDF name space
Sandro Hawke: there are some problem of RDF name space [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:45:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:45:04 <IanH> ack
Ian Horrocks: ack ←
17:45:09 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack jeremycarroll ←
17:45:35 <sandro> My message on this subject: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html
Sandro Hawke: My message on this subject: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html ←
17:45:53 <bijan> q+ for a slight tangent about data uris
Bijan Parsia: q+ for a slight tangent about data uris ←
17:46:01 <alanr> yes, i noticed that this is a new pattern syntax. (distinctly not pcre)
Alan Ruttenberg: yes, i noticed that this is a new pattern syntax. (distinctly not pcre) ←
17:46:03 <bijan> q+ to make a slight tangent about data uris
Bijan Parsia: q+ to make a slight tangent about data uris ←
17:46:09 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?
Jeff Pan: zakim, who is talking? ←
17:46:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:46:20 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (48%), jeremycarroll (77%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (48%), jeremycarroll (77%) ←
17:46:20 <sandro> Jeremy: there is a language matching language, which is different from the XML matching language.
Jeremy Carroll: there is a language matching language, which is different from the XML matching language. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:46:41 <IanH> he stopped
Ian Horrocks: he stopped ←
17:46:47 <IanH> hope he is still alive
Ian Horrocks: hope he is still alive ←
17:47:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:48:32 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:48:32 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:49:07 <JeffP> (jeremy, could you summarise your comments please?)
Jeff Pan: (jeremy, could you summarise your comments please?) ←
17:49:18 <jeremycarroll> are you talking about the data: scheme?
Jeremy Carroll: are you talking about the data: scheme? ←
17:49:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:49:23 <bijan> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2397
Bijan Parsia: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2397 ←
17:49:26 <IanH> ack bijan
Ian Horrocks: ack bijan ←
17:49:26 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to make a slight tangent about data uris
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to make a slight tangent about data uris ←
17:50:11 <jeremycarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:50:15 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:50:24 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:50:38 <bijan> boris from owl, peter from RIF :)
Bijan Parsia: boris from owl, peter from RIF :) ←
17:50:39 <JeffP> ... besides sandro
Jeff Pan: ... besides sandro ←
17:51:03 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:51:15 <JeffP> sandro: Boris has been working on the texts
Sandro Hawke: Boris has been working on the texts [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:51:17 <alanr> ~
Alan Ruttenberg: ~ ←
17:51:32 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack jeremycarroll ←
17:51:36 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:51:36 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
17:51:51 <alanr> swcg harmonization issue
Alan Ruttenberg: swcg harmonization issue ←
17:52:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:52:15 <jeremycarroll> jeremy: we should invite I18N WG to participate in the TF
Jeremy Carroll: we should invite I18N WG to participate in the TF [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
17:52:17 <IanH> ack bijan
Ian Horrocks: ack bijan ←
17:52:46 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:52:46 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:52:46 <jeremycarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:52:50 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:52:52 <sandro> Bijan: Let's just find an editor or two and have them write something and make sure it's okay with the stakeholders.
Bijan Parsia: Let's just find an editor or two and have them write something and make sure it's okay with the stakeholders. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:52:58 <sandro> +1 Bijan
Sandro Hawke: +1 Bijan ←
17:53:01 <JeffP> IanH: good to keep the process lightweight
Ian Horrocks: good to keep the process lightweight [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:53:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:53:21 <sandro> ack alanr
Sandro Hawke: ack alanr ←
17:53:46 <bijan> If no one else volunteers, I shall, assuming it's roughly as easy as sandro delineated :)
Bijan Parsia: If no one else volunteers, I shall, assuming it's roughly as easy as sandro delineated :) ←
17:53:48 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:54:24 <sandro> Jeremy: we should invite people like: "You're welcome to join, but you might prefer to review the finished document"
Jeremy Carroll: we should invite i18n like: "You're welcome to join, but you might prefer to review the finished document" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:54:33 <sandro> s/people/i18n/
17:54:47 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:54:50 <jeremycarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:54:51 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:55:08 <JeffP> sandro: there is a dependency on the XML WG too
Sandro Hawke: there is a dependency on the XML Schema WG too [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:55:16 <sandro> s/XML/XML Schema/
17:55:17 <jeremycarroll> ^XML^XML Schema
Jeremy Carroll: ^XML^XML Schema ←
17:55:20 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:55:20 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:55:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:55:22 <JeffP> IanH: could we agree on bijan's proposal?
Ian Horrocks: could we agree on bijan's proposal? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:55:41 <alanr> Sandro: is OWL 1 issue with closed namespace same as RDF closed namespace issue?
Sandro Hawke: is OWL 1 issue with closed namespace same as RDF closed namespace issue? [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
17:55:53 <jeremycarroll> I'm convinced by sandro's comment - ask stakeholders after we have a doc
Jeremy Carroll: I'm convinced by sandro's comment - ask stakeholders after we have a doc ←
17:55:54 <JeffP> bijan: we could have a TF when people disagree
Bijan Parsia: we could have a TF when people disagree [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:55:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:56:02 <IanH> ack
Ian Horrocks: ack ←
17:56:08 <bijan> zakin, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakin, mute me ←
17:56:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:56:23 <IanH> ack bijan
Ian Horrocks: ack bijan ←
17:56:54 <JeffP> IanH: who will work on this?
Ian Horrocks: who will work on this? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:57:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:57:20 <JeffP> alanr: we need to work out a solution for the name space
Alan Ruttenberg: we need to work out a solution for the namespace [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:57:34 <JeffP> s/name space/namespace
17:57:48 <JeffP> sandro: we could leave the namespace as an open issue
Sandro Hawke: we could leave the namespace as an open issue [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:57:55 <jeremycarroll> To me the langPattern is an OWL functionality, not an RDF one, whereas the class of all internationalizedstrings is possibly an RDF concept
Jeremy Carroll: To me the langPattern is an OWL functionality, not an RDF one, whereas the class of all internationalizedstrings is possibly an RDF concept ←
17:57:55 <bijan> Conditionally!
Bijan Parsia: Conditionally! ←
17:58:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:58:04 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
17:58:06 <JeffP> sandro: I heard bijan would like to act on it
Sandro Hawke: I heard bijan would like to act on it [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:58:10 <alanr> RDF/XML: Any other names are not defined and SHOULD generate a warning when encountered, but should otherwise behave normally.
Alan Ruttenberg: RDF/XML: Any other names are not defined and SHOULD generate a warning when encountered, but should otherwise behave normally. ←
17:58:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:58:37 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:58:37 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:59:05 <JeffP> boris: no opinion on namespace; also busy with other work in the WG
Boris Motik: no opinion on namespace; also busy with other work in the WG [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
17:59:09 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:59:09 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:59:32 <baojie> ok
17:59:41 <JeffP> alanr: anyone on call can work on this?
Alan Ruttenberg: anyone on call can work on this? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:00:06 <jeremycarroll> I believe the RDF Syntax text is meant to be forward compatible ...
Jeremy Carroll: I believe the RDF Syntax text is meant to be forward compatible ... ←
18:00:39 <alanr> action: baojie edit langed literal document
ACTION: baojie edit langed literal document ←
18:00:39 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie ←
18:00:46 <alanr> action: jiebao edit langed literal document
ACTION: jiebao edit langed literal document ←
18:00:46 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - jiebao
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - jiebao ←
18:01:07 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:01:08 <JeffP> Topic: # Issue 123 Should we add QCR-s into the rule set of OWL-R-Full/Ivan, per [1]
18:01:35 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:01:35 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:01:36 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:01:41 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:01:53 <JeffP> boris: OWL-R-DL support some QCRs
Boris Motik: OWL-R-DL support some QCRs [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:02:01 <sandro> ACTION: Bao create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace
ACTION: Bao create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace ←
18:02:01 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-150 - Create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-150 - Create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28]. ←
18:02:05 <alanr> action: jie bao to edit langed literal document
ACTION: jie bao to edit langed literal document ←
18:02:05 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-151 - Bao to edit langed literal document [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-151 - Bao to edit langed literal document [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28]. ←
18:02:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:02:39 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:02:42 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:02:42 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:02:52 <Zhe> +1
18:02:53 <JeffP> ... OWL-R-Full should cover the same set of features
Jeff Pan: ... OWL-R-Full should cover the same set of features ←
18:02:56 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
18:02:59 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:03:24 <bijan> +1 to the editorial gerrymander
Bijan Parsia: +1 to the editorial gerrymander ←
18:03:48 <JeffP> .Action 123: done
Jeff Pan: .ACTION-123: done ←
18:03:59 <JeffP> Topic: # Issue 111 User intent signalling (other than via mime type) see Sandro's email
18:04:12 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/mid/6098.1208894358@ubuhebe
Jeff Pan: http://www.w3.org/mid/6098.1208894358@ubuhebe ←
18:04:35 <bmotik> We might want to take up imports and versioning today out-of-order. This is a fresh issue that, given the recent discussion, might be gotten out of the way quickly.
Boris Motik: We might want to take up imports and versioning today out-of-order. This is a fresh issue that, given the recent discussion, might be gotten out of the way quickly. ←
18:04:46 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:04:51 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:04:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:04:55 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:05:15 <JeffP> bijan: the processing model is unclear
Bijan Parsia: the processing model is unclear [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:05:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:05:26 <IanH> ack bijan
Ian Horrocks: ack bijan ←
18:05:43 <alanr> 123 has been updated to be editorial. boris, feel free to close
Alan Ruttenberg: 123 has been updated to be editorial. boris, feel free to close ←
18:05:46 <alanr> q+ alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr ←
18:05:50 <JeffP> ... adding more properties without semantics is worrying
Jeff Pan: ... adding more properties without semantics is worrying ←
18:06:04 <sandro> my e-mail about it: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0265.html
Sandro Hawke: my e-mail about it: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0265.html ←
18:06:10 <JeffP> Issue 123: close
18:06:14 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:06:24 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:06:26 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:06:26 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:06:30 <JeffP> alanr: tend to agree with bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: tend to agree with bijan [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:07:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:07:12 <JeffP> ... not sure what to do with imports
Jeff Pan: ... not sure what to do with imports ←
18:07:13 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:07:21 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:07:21 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:07:27 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:07:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:07:43 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:07:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:07:54 <JeffP> boris: signal to tools are not needed
Boris Motik: signal to tools are not needed [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:08:31 <alanr> what if it says nothing but imported one says something
Alan Ruttenberg: what if it says nothing but imported one says something ←
18:08:33 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:09:02 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:09:02 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:09:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:09:04 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:09:18 <sandro> q+ to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you?
Sandro Hawke: q+ to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you? ←
18:09:23 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:09:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:09:33 <JeffP> bijan: useful to distinguish DL and Full semantics
Bijan Parsia: useful to distinguish DL and Full semantics [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:10:10 <JeffP> ... also might be useful in some use cases
Jeff Pan: ... also might be useful in some use cases ←
18:10:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:10:13 <bmotik> Sandro, sure; however, my point is that this is defined by the syntax itself. There is no need to say "this ontology should be interpreted as EL++": if it falls into the EL++ fragment, it is an EL++ ontology.
Boris Motik: Sandro, sure; however, my point is that this is defined by the syntax itself. There is no need to say "this ontology should be interpreted as EL++": if it falls into the EL++ fragment, it is an EL++ ontology. ←
18:10:26 <sandro> ack sandro
Sandro Hawke: ack sandro ←
18:10:26 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you?
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you? ←
18:10:27 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:10:28 <bmotik> The only problem is where we are changing the semantics.
Boris Motik: The only problem is where we are changing the semantics. ←
18:10:32 <JeffP> +1 boris
18:11:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:11:06 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:11:38 <jeremycarroll> q+ to respond to sandro
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to respond to sandro ←
18:11:42 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:11:42 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:12:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:12:12 <IanH> ack uli
Ian Horrocks: ack uli ←
18:12:19 <JeffP> uli: should not have any semantics; it would be helpful to signal sth
Uli Sattler: should not have any semantics; it would be helpful to signal sth [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:12:25 <bmotik> q-
Boris Motik: q- ←
18:12:31 <sandro> Uli: I like intendedProfile as a hint, but not as formal semantics
Uli Sattler: I like intendedProfile as a hint, but not as formal semantics [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:12:32 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:12:32 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:12:37 <bmotik> Yes
Boris Motik: Yes ←
18:12:43 <bijan> Is this different than owl:deprecatedClass?
Bijan Parsia: Is this different than owl:deprecatedClass? ←
18:13:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:13:18 <IanH> ack jerermycarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack jerermycarroll ←
18:13:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:13:35 <sandro> sure -- error message are a pretty trivial point.
Sandro Hawke: sure -- error message are a pretty trivial point. ←
18:13:44 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack jeremycarroll ←
18:13:44 <Zakim> jeremycarroll, you wanted to respond to sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremycarroll, you wanted to respond to sandro ←
18:13:48 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:14:07 <bijan> q+ to ask sandro about the brokenness
Bijan Parsia: q+ to ask sandro about the brokenness ←
18:14:17 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:14:22 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:15:02 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:15:02 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:16:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:08 <IanH> ack bijan
Ian Horrocks: ack bijan ←
18:16:08 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to ask sandro about the brokenness
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to ask sandro about the brokenness ←
18:16:33 <sandro> +1 Bijan -- don't reject Full document if you are Full.... repair with warning, etc.
Sandro Hawke: +1 Bijan -- don't reject Full document if you are Full.... repair with warning, etc. ←
18:16:47 <bijan> +1 to sandro thing
Bijan Parsia: +1 to sandro thing ←
18:16:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:33 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:48 <JeffP> ack alanr
18:19:05 <JeffP> IanH: continue discussion by emails
Ian Horrocks: continue discussion by emails [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:19:18 <JeffP> Topic: Issue 124 (newly open) The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain
18:19:28 <sandro> maybe in e-mail, Uli, you can explain to me why the having formal meaning to this is harmful?
Sandro Hawke: maybe in e-mail, Uli, you can explain to me why the having formal meaning to this is harmful? ←
18:20:00 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:20:05 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:20:05 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:20:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:20:11 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:20:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:20:41 <ewallace> sounds good to me
Evan Wallace: sounds good to me ←
18:20:45 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:21:06 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:21:06 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:21:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:21:22 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:21:22 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:21:46 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:21:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:21:53 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:22:13 <JeffP> boris: this is not intended to be used by people
Boris Motik: this is not intended to be used by people [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:22:19 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:22:57 <JeffP> ... mainly for some process in the background e.g. moving expressions from one side to the other
Jeff Pan: ... mainly for some process in the background e.g. moving expressions from one side to the other ←
18:23:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:23:28 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:23:28 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:23:41 <JeffP> ... so the complement is implicitly there and it should be in the language
Jeff Pan: ... so the complement is implicitly there and it should be in the language ←
18:23:46 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:23:46 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:23:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:23:54 <IanH> ack bijan
Ian Horrocks: ack bijan ←
18:25:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:08 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:25:09 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:25:09 <JeffP> bijan: support it strongly
Bijan Parsia: support it strongly [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:25:32 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:25:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), bijan (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), bijan (muted), ←
18:25:36 <Zakim> ... Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Achille ←
18:25:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:26:02 <bmotik> Could we perhaps handle imports?
Boris Motik: Could we perhaps handle imports? ←
18:26:12 <sandro> PRESENT: bmotik, Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke, Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau, Alan, MarkusK, uli, bijan, Achille
18:26:22 <bmotik> Zakim, umnute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, umnute me ←
18:26:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umnute me', bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'umnute me', bmotik ←
18:26:25 <bijan> Agenda amendment (last minute) is there a publication plan?
Bijan Parsia: Agenda amendment (last minute) is there a publication plan? ←
18:26:26 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:26:26 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:26:30 <ewallace> In 4 minutes?
Evan Wallace: In 4 minutes? ←
18:26:31 <sandro> Chair: Ian
18:26:50 <sandro> Scribe: JeffP
(Scribe set to Jeff Pan)
18:27:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:27:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:28:05 <JeffP> IanH: too less time to allow detailed discussions on the remaining actions
Ian Horrocks: too less time to allow detailed discussions on the remaining actions ←
18:28:34 <ewallace> sort of
Evan Wallace: sort of ←
18:28:40 <alanr> we're out of time. point proved
Alan Ruttenberg: we're out of time. point proved ←
18:28:49 <JeffP> (better next time then)
(better next time then) ←
18:28:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:28:55 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:29:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:29:23 <JeffP> bijan: any plan for republication?
Bijan Parsia: any plan for republication? ←
18:29:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:29:43 <JeffP> IanH: should get the reviews first
Ian Horrocks: should get the reviews first ←
18:30:51 <bijan> ta ta
Bijan Parsia: ta ta ←
18:30:53 <Rinke> thanks
Rinke Hoekstra: thanks ←
18:30:54 <uli> bye
Uli Sattler: bye ←
18:30:54 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
18:30:56 <Zakim> -bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←
18:30:56 <Rinke> bye
Rinke Hoekstra: bye ←
18:30:56 <JeffP> ciao
ciao ←
18:30:57 <Zhe> bye
18:30:59 <Achille> bye
Achille Fokoue: bye ←
18:30:59 <Zakim> -MarkusK
Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK ←
18:31:00 <Zakim> -Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan ←
18:31:00 <IanH> bye
Ian Horrocks: bye ←
18:31:01 <Zakim> -Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe ←
18:31:02 <Zakim> -uli
Zakim IRC Bot: -uli ←
18:31:02 <Zakim> -Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←
18:31:04 <Zakim> -bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik ←
18:31:06 <Zakim> -baojie
Zakim IRC Bot: -baojie ←
18:31:07 <Zakim> -jeremycarroll
Zakim IRC Bot: -jeremycarroll ←
18:31:08 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
18:31:14 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau ←
18:31:14 <sandro> JeffP, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Minutes is ready for cleanup.
Sandro Hawke: JeffP, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Minutes is ready for cleanup. ←
18:31:15 <Zakim> -Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille ←
18:31:28 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
18:31:29 <Zakim> -JeffP
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeffP ←
18:31:29 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended ←
18:31:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Evan_Wallace, bmotik, Sandro, +22427aaaa, +7.233.aabb, JeffP, Rinke, +0186527aadd, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaee, baojie, IanH, Alan, bcuencagrau, MarkusK, jeremycarroll,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Evan_Wallace, bmotik, Sandro, +22427aaaa, +7.233.aabb, JeffP, Rinke, +0186527aadd, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaee, baojie, IanH, Alan, bcuencagrau, MarkusK, jeremycarroll, ←
18:31:32 <Zakim> ... uli, bijan, Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: ... uli, bijan, Achille ←
18:31:57 <IanH> Sandro: are you creating the minutes?
Sandro Hawke: are you creating the minutes? [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ] ←
18:32:08 <sandro> Yep all done, IanH.
Sandro Hawke: Yep all done, IanH. ←
18:32:17 <IanH> Thanks!
Ian Horrocks: Thanks! ←
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