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16:53:12 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-owl-irc ←
16:53:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
16:53:51 <jjc> zakim, this will be owl
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: zakim, this will be owl ←
16:53:53 <Zakim> ok, jjc; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, jjc; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago ←
16:53:56 <ivan> zakim, this will be owl
Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be owl ←
16:53:59 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started ←
16:54:01 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
16:54:03 <Zakim> ok, ivan, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started ←
16:54:09 <Zakim> + +39.047.101.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +39.047.101.aaaa ←
16:54:11 <Zakim> + +0186527aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186527aabb ←
16:54:34 <IanH> zakim, aabb is IanH
Ian Horrocks: zakim, aabb is IanH ←
16:54:34 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←
16:54:41 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:54:48 <ivan> zakim, code?
Ivan Herman: zakim, code? ←
16:54:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 69594 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 69594 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan ←
16:54:58 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
16:55:13 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
16:55:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see +39.047.101.aaaa, IanH, MarkusK
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +39.047.101.aaaa, IanH, MarkusK ←
16:55:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
16:55:32 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
16:55:40 <MarkusK> ScribeNick: MarkusK
(Scribe set to Markus Krötzsch)
16:56:19 <IanH> Who is aaaa? It was the first person to dial in and is from +39
Ian Horrocks: Who is aaaa? It was the first person to dial in and is from +39 ←
16:56:37 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
16:56:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see +39.047.101.aaaa, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +39.047.101.aaaa, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan ←
16:56:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
16:57:06 <calvanese> zakim, this is aaaa
Diego Calvanese: zakim, this is aaaa ←
16:57:09 <Zakim> sorry, calvanese, I do not see a conference named 'aaaa' in progress or scheduled at this time
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, calvanese, I do not see a conference named 'aaaa' in progress or scheduled at this time ←
16:57:27 <IanH> zakim, aaaa is calvanese
Ian Horrocks: zakim, aaaa is calvanese ←
16:57:27 <Zakim> +calvanese; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +calvanese; got it ←
16:57:35 <IanH> Hi Diego
Ian Horrocks: Hi Diego ←
16:57:39 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
16:57:39 <calvanese> hi ian
Diego Calvanese: hi ian ←
16:57:44 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P11 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P11 is me ←
16:57:44 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
16:57:45 <calvanese> hi ian
Diego Calvanese: hi ian ←
16:58:01 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
16:58:01 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
16:58:09 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
16:58:13 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
16:58:18 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p19 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p19 is me ←
16:58:18 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
16:58:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
16:58:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
16:58:37 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
16:58:43 <Zakim> + +1.512.342.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.342.aacc ←
16:58:46 <uli_> zakim, ??P20 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P20 is me ←
16:58:46 <Zakim> +uli_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli_; got it ←
16:58:50 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
16:58:51 <uli_> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
16:58:52 <Zakim> uli_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli_ should now be muted ←
16:58:53 <DougL> Zakim, aacc is me
Doug Lenat: Zakim, aacc is me ←
16:58:53 <Zakim> +DougL; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DougL; got it ←
16:58:59 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
16:59:03 <calvanese> zakim, mute me
Diego Calvanese: zakim, mute me ←
16:59:03 <Zakim> calvanese should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: calvanese should now be muted ←
16:59:23 <IanH> If you precede such commands with /me it stops them going in the minutes
Ian Horrocks: If you precede such commands with /me it stops them going in the minutes ←
16:59:27 <Ratnesh> Zakim, ??P25 is me
Ratnesh Sahay: Zakim, ??P25 is me ←
16:59:27 <Zakim> +Ratnesh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ratnesh; got it ←
17:00:03 <Zakim> +msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith ←
17:00:26 <Zakim> + +0122341aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0122341aadd ←
17:00:39 <jjc> zakim, aadd is me
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: zakim, aadd is me ←
17:00:39 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it ←
17:00:40 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aaee ←
17:00:56 <Zhe> Zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me
Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me ←
17:00:56 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
17:02:01 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:02:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see calvanese, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc (muted), Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see calvanese, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc (muted), Zhe ←
17:02:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, Zhe, DougL, msmith, Ratnesh, uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, Zhe, DougL, msmith, Ratnesh, uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
17:02:30 <MarkusK> Admin
Admin ←
17:02:36 <MarkusK> Agenda Amendmends
Agenda Amendmends ←
17:02:53 <MarkusK> s /Amendmends/amendments/
s /Amendmends/amendments/ ←
17:03:42 <msmith> IanH, the amendment was added by pfps
Michael Smith: IanH, the amendment was added by pfps ←
17:03:57 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaff ←
17:04:02 <Zakim> + +1.617.253.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.253.aagg ←
17:04:09 <alanr> zakim, aagg is me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aagg is me ←
17:04:09 <Zakim> +alanr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it ←
17:04:24 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:04:24 <MarkusK> Telcos will start at 19:00 CET again starting next telco (after F2F)
Telcos will start at 19:00 CET again starting next telco (after F2F) ←
17:04:32 <Zhe> +1
17:04:44 <DougL> +1 on minutes
Doug Lenat: +1 on minutes ←
17:04:44 <MarkusK> Previous minutes accepted
Previous minutes accepted ←
17:05:06 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:05:20 <Zakim> +pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps ←
17:05:45 <Zhe> cash only ?
17:05:48 <Zhe> ;)
17:06:09 <baojie> RPI is baojie
17:06:14 <Achille> Zakim. IBM is Achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim. IBM is Achille ←
17:06:17 <MarkusK> F2F registration fees must be paid, see http://www.webont.org/owled/2008dc/f2fregistration.html
F2F registration fees must be paid, see http://www.webont.org/owled/2008dc/f2fregistration.html ←
17:06:25 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille ←
17:06:25 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:06:29 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call ←
17:06:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro ←
17:06:30 <ivan> zakim, IBM is Achille
Ivan Herman: zakim, IBM is Achille ←
17:06:30 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM' ←
17:06:32 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
17:06:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see calvanese (muted), IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc, Zhe,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see calvanese (muted), IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc, Zhe, ←
17:06:34 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aaff, alanr, Achille, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.276.aaff, alanr, Achille, pfps ←
17:06:42 <sandro> zakim, aaff is baojie
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaff is baojie ←
17:06:42 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it ←
17:06:45 <jjc> Zakim, aaff is baojie
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, aaff is baojie ←
17:06:45 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff' ←
17:06:54 <MarkusK> Checks are also accepted on-site
Checks are also accepted on-site ←
17:07:08 <MarkusK> Action items
Action items ←
17:07:49 <MarkusK> ACTION 113 completed
ACTION-113 completed ←
17:07:49 <alanr> Need to continue my actions 110, 114 - will adjust dates
Alan Ruttenberg: Need to continue my actions 101, 114 - will adjust dates ←
17:08:06 <MarkusK> ACTION 105 completed
ACTION-105 completed ←
17:08:16 <alanr> s/110/101/
17:08:55 <MarkusK> ACTION 72 due tomorrow
17:11:04 <MarkusK> ACTION 76 delayed, to be done soon (before F2F2)
ACTION-76 delayed, to be done soon (before F2F2) ←
17:11:23 <MarkusK> Action 86 delayed
17:12:08 <MarkusK> Action 90 delayed, discussion scheduled for F2F2
ACTION-90 delayed, discussion scheduled for F2F2 ←
17:12:26 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:12:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see calvanese (muted), IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc, Zhe, baojie, alanr,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see calvanese (muted), IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc, Zhe, baojie, alanr, ←
17:12:29 <Zakim> ... Achille, pfps (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Achille, pfps (muted) ←
17:12:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Achille, pfps, baojie, alanr, Zhe, DougL, msmith, Ratnesh, uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Achille, pfps, baojie, alanr, Zhe, DougL, msmith, Ratnesh, uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, ←
17:12:33 <Zakim> ... sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro ←
17:12:34 <calvanese> hi uli, thanks
Diego Calvanese: hi uli, thanks ←
17:13:24 <MarkusK> ACTION 100 remains open (James Hendler not on call)
ACTION-100 remains open (James Hendler not on call) ←
17:13:39 <MarkusK> Action 101 delayed, to be done for F2F2
ACTION-101 delayed, to be done for F2F2 ←
17:14:06 <MarkusK> ACTION 102 remains open (James Hendler not on call)
ACTION-102 remains open (James Hendler not on call) ←
17:14:20 <MarkusK> ACTION 104 completed
ACTION-104 completed ←
17:14:58 <pfps> q+
17:15:15 <MarkusK> ACTION 108 completed
ACTION-109 completed ←
17:15:54 <MarkusK> s/108/109/
17:16:20 <MarkusK> ACTION 93 completed
17:16:41 <MarkusK> ACTION 114 completed
ACTION-114 completed ←
17:17:31 <MarkusK> Issues
Issues ←
17:18:00 <msmith> yes, this proposal was from alan
Michael Smith: yes, this proposal was from alan ←
17:18:11 <MarkusK> Issue 86 http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/86 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0189.html
ISSUE-86 http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/86 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0189.html ←
17:18:46 <pfps> I just sent out a slight modification to the proposal (which should not change anyone's vote).
Peter Patel-Schneider: I just sent out a slight modification to the proposal (which should not change anyone's vote). ←
17:18:59 <pfps> q+
17:19:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:19:46 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:19:50 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:20:18 <bmotik> q-
Boris Motik: q- ←
17:20:26 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
17:20:35 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:21:03 <MarkusK> alanr: new updated proposal is indeed editorial, minor correction only
Alan Ruttenberg: new updated proposal is indeed editorial, minor correction only ←
17:21:06 <Zakim> -jjc
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -jjc ←
17:21:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:21:28 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
17:21:44 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:21:45 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:21:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:22:04 <MarkusK> msmith: inverse properties could also be handled in RDF mappnig by swapping object and subject and adding an annotation for enabling round-tripping
Michael Smith: inverse properties could also be handled in RDF mappnig by swapping object and subject and adding an annotation for enabling round-tripping ←
17:22:06 <Zakim> +jjc
Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc ←
17:22:30 <MarkusK> alanr: annotations should not have any logical meaning
Alan Ruttenberg: annotations should not have any logical meaning ←
17:22:53 <MarkusK> ianh: the annotation was just for round-tripping, no logical impact
Ian Horrocks: the annotation was just for round-tripping, no logical impact ←
17:23:20 <MarkusK> alanr: I doubt that exchanging subject and object always works
Alan Ruttenberg: I doubt that exchanging subject and object always works ←
17:23:22 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
17:23:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:23:27 <jjc> q+
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Unknown jjc: q+ ←
17:23:30 <alanr> ack aalnr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack aalnr ←
17:23:32 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
17:23:39 <MarkusK> ianh: yes, it is obvious only for facts, but not for restrictions
Ian Horrocks: yes, it is obvious only for facts, but not for restrictions ←
17:23:47 <Zakim> + +31.20.525.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +31.20.525.aahh ←
17:23:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:24:03 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
17:24:04 <MarkusK> msmith: I think facts are the only case where this applies, there is no problem with inversee in restrictions
Michael Smith: I think facts are the only case where this applies, there is no problem with inverses in restrictions ←
17:24:04 <ivan> ack msmith
Ivan Herman: ack msmith ←
17:24:19 <ivan> ack jjc
Ivan Herman: ack jjc ←
17:24:21 <MarkusK> s/inversee/inverses/
17:24:51 <MarkusK> jjc: I agree with msmith, it is only a problem in facts
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Unknown jjc: I agree with msmith, it is only a problem in facts ←
17:24:54 <alanr> q+ to get rid of nested inverse
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to get rid of nested inverse ←
17:25:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:25:19 <pfps> Should we have a vote to go forward for now, but get a revised proposal?
Peter Patel-Schneider: Should we have a vote to go forward for now, but get a revised proposal? ←
17:26:02 <msmith> we can separate nested inverses from this issue
Michael Smith: we can separate nested inverses from this issue ←
17:26:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:26:08 <MarkusK> alanr: Jeremy referrred to the problem of mutliple (nested) inverses; I also think that this should be disallowed
Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy referred to the problem of mutliple (nested) inverses; I also think that this should be disallowed ←
17:26:14 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
17:26:14 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to get rid of nested inverse
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to get rid of nested inverse ←
17:26:17 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:26:26 <MarkusK> s/referrred/referred/
17:26:32 <pfps> q+
17:26:42 <jjc> i much prefer mike's
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Unknown jjc: i much prefer mike's ←
17:26:45 <pfps> q-
17:26:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:26:54 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
17:26:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:26:59 <jjc> yes i am sure
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Unknown jjc: yes i am sure ←
17:26:59 <MarkusK> ianh: there seem to be two competing proposals now
Ian Horrocks: there seem to be two competing proposals now ←
17:27:07 <msmith> q-
Michael Smith: q- ←
17:27:32 <MarkusK> alanr: if it is just about facts, then msmith's proposal might work as well
Alan Ruttenberg: if it is just about facts, then msmith's proposal might work as well ←
17:27:37 <alanr> indeed
Alan Ruttenberg: indeed ←
17:27:39 <jjc> q+
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Unknown jjc: q+ ←
17:27:53 <MarkusK> ianh: does anybody doubt that msmith's proposal works?
Ian Horrocks: does anybody doubt that msmith's proposal works? ←
17:27:54 <IanH> ack jjc
Ian Horrocks: ack jjc ←
17:27:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:28:11 <alanr> have to think about anonymous individuals and Mike's proposal
Alan Ruttenberg: have to think about anonymous individuals and Mike's proposal ←
17:28:18 <MarkusK> jjc: my problem with it is that the proposal requires annotating the triple for round-tripping
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Unknown jjc: my problem with it is that the proposal requires annotating the triple for round-tripping ←
17:28:18 <uli_> Jeremy, please repeat
Uli Sattler: Jeremy, please repeat ←
17:28:27 <alanr> push to email, I think
Alan Ruttenberg: push to email, I think ←
17:28:32 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:28:53 <alanr> 0 (want to think about Mike's first)
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 (want to think about Mike's first) ←
17:28:55 <uli_> 0
Uli Sattler: 0 ←
17:28:56 <MarkusK> Ianh: Who thinks that alan's proposal is the way to go
Ian Horrocks: Who thinks that alan's proposal is the way to go ←
17:28:58 <DougL> 0
Doug Lenat: 0 ←
17:28:59 <Achille> 0
Achille Fokoue: 0 ←
17:28:59 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: alan's proposal
STRAWPOLL: alan's proposal ←
17:29:02 <jjc> -0.1
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Unknown jjc: -0.1 ←
17:29:03 <pfps> +1 for Alan
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 for Alan ←
17:29:05 <Zhe> 0
17:29:09 <calvanese> 0
Diego Calvanese: 0 ←
17:29:09 <MarkusK> 0
0 ←
17:29:11 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
17:29:11 <baojie> 0
17:29:16 <Ratnesh> 0
Ratnesh Sahay: 0 ←
17:29:18 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
17:29:33 <msmith> +1 to using annotations, but iff round-tripping is a rqmt
Michael Smith: +1 to using annotations, but iff round-tripping is a rqmt ←
17:29:35 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: who thinks that Mike's proposal is the way to go?
STRAWPOLL: who thinks that Mike's proposal is the way to go? ←
17:29:36 <pfps> -1 for mike
Peter Patel-Schneider: -1 for mike ←
17:29:37 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
17:29:38 <jjc> +0.4
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Unknown jjc: +0.4 ←
17:29:39 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
17:29:41 <alanr> 0 (want to think about it first)
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 (want to think about it first) ←
17:29:41 <Zhe> +0
17:29:42 <DougL> -0.5
Doug Lenat: -0.5 ←
17:29:43 <Achille> 0
Achille Fokoue: 0 ←
17:29:43 <uli_> 0 (the same, need to think)
Uli Sattler: 0 (the same, need to think) ←
17:29:44 <MarkusK> -0
-0 ←
17:29:50 <bcuencagrau> 0
17:30:03 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
17:30:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:30:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:30:30 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:30:38 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
17:30:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:30:42 <ivan> ack msmith
Ivan Herman: ack msmith ←
17:30:47 <alanr> not facts
Alan Ruttenberg: not facts ←
17:30:49 <MarkusK> msmith: could we have a strawpoll on whether we wish to support ObjectProperty assertions where porperties are inverses at all
Michael Smith: could we have a strawpoll on whether we wish to support ObjectProperty assertions where porperties are inverses at all ←
17:30:50 <alanr> only restrictions
Alan Ruttenberg: only restrictions ←
17:31:03 <MarkusK> ... it might be that we do not really need that
... it might be that we do not really need that ←
17:31:06 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:31:06 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:31:09 <ivan> ack bmotik
Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←
17:31:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:31:16 <MarkusK> ... I suggested to disallow this in an email
... I suggested to disallow this in an email ←
17:31:44 <alanr> objectAllValuesFrom := 'ObjectAllValuesFrom' '(' objectPropertyExpression description ')'
Alan Ruttenberg: objectAllValuesFrom := 'ObjectAllValuesFrom' '(' objectPropertyExpression description ')' ←
17:31:53 <MarkusK> bmotik: support for inverse properties without explicitly naming it was requested from the DIG working group, and is used in many reasoners
Boris Motik: support for inverse properties wthemhout explicthemly naming them was requested from the DIG working group, and is used in many reasoners ←
17:32:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:32:07 <MarkusK> s/it/them/
17:32:08 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:32:08 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:32:09 <alanr> inverseObjectProperty := 'InverseObjectProperty' '(' objectPropertyExpression ')'
Alan Ruttenberg: inverseObjectProperty := 'InverseObjectProperty' '(' objectPropertyExpression ')' ←
17:32:10 <alanr> objectPropertyExpression := objectPropertyURI | inverseObjectProperty
Alan Ruttenberg: objectPropertyExpression := objectPropertyURI | inverseObjectProperty ←
17:32:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:33:09 <bcuencagrau> Ivan, Description Logics Implementors group
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Ivan, Description Logics Implementors group ←
17:33:09 <msmith> more email sounds good
Michael Smith: more email sounds good ←
17:33:13 <MarkusK> ianh: further discussion needed, to be taken to email
Ian Horrocks: further discussion needed, to be taken to email ←
17:33:22 <jjc> q+
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Unknown jjc: q+ ←
17:33:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:33:54 <bcuencagrau> A group of people that have implemented DL reasoners. it includes the people who have developed the major DL reasoners
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: A group of people that have implemented DL reasoners. it includes the people who have developed the major DL reasoners ←
17:34:16 <MarkusK> jjc: can we have a strawpoll on disallowing inverses as proposed by msmith?
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Unknown jjc: can we have a strawpoll on disallowing inverses as proposed by msmith? ←
17:34:20 <alanr> disallowing means no InverseObjectProperties inside Fact constructs
Alan Ruttenberg: disallowing means no InverseObjectProperties inside Fact constructs ←
17:34:33 <bmotik> -1
Boris Motik: -1 ←
17:34:34 <jjc> +1
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Unknown jjc: +1 ←
17:34:34 <bcuencagrau> ivan, Peter is a member; I think so is Ian
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: ivan, Peter is a member; I think so is Ian ←
17:34:34 <uli_> -1
Uli Sattler: -1 ←
17:34:35 <MarkusK> -1
-1 ←
17:34:35 <pfps> -1 AIPs have their place in the world
Peter Patel-Schneider: -1 AIPs have their place in the world ←
17:34:38 <alanr> 0
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 ←
17:34:43 <Zhe> +0.1
17:34:44 <baojie> 0
17:34:44 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:34:45 <bcuencagrau> -1
17:34:47 <ewallace> -1
Evan Wallace: -1 ←
17:34:49 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: disallow anonymous inverse properties in facts
STRAWPOLL: disallow anonymous inverse properties in facts ←
17:34:50 <calvanese> 0
Diego Calvanese: 0 ←
17:34:52 <DougL> 0 (need to think about it)
Doug Lenat: 0 (need to think about it) ←
17:34:52 <Rinke> 0
Rinke Hoekstra: 0 ←
17:34:52 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
17:34:52 <calvanese> 0
Diego Calvanese: 0 ←
17:34:56 <msmith> +1 to disallowing anonym in obas
Michael Smith: +1 to disallowing anonym in obas ←
17:34:59 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
17:35:37 <MarkusK> Issue 12
17:35:55 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:35:55 <MarkusK> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/12 http://www.w3.org/mid/20080318.213218.171431830.pfps@research.bell-labs.com
http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/12 http://www.w3.org/mid/20080318.213218.171431830.pfps@research.bell-labs.com ←
17:36:54 <alanr> q+ to discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html ←
17:37:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:37:13 <jjc> q-
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Unknown jjc: q- ←
17:37:52 <MarkusK> alanr: I suggested a modification for improving efficiency (see link above)
Alan Ruttenberg: I suggested a modification for improving efficiency (see link above) ←
17:37:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:38:05 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
17:38:05 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html ←
17:38:10 <pfps> q+
17:38:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:38:51 <jjc> q+
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Unknown jjc: q+ ←
17:38:51 <MarkusK> pfps: alan's proposal might be problematic, since it adds totally new different individuals
Peter Patel-Schneider: alan's proposal might be problematic, since it adds totally new different individuals ←
17:38:59 <jjc> q-
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Unknown jjc: q- ←
17:39:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:39:07 <MarkusK> alanr: but it is only an existential (a bnode)
Alan Ruttenberg: but it is only an existential (a bnode) ←
17:39:09 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
17:39:20 <MarkusK> pfps: yes, but it still might increase the size of the domain
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, but it still might increase the size of the domain ←
17:39:31 <MarkusK> pfps: this creates a burdon on round-tripping
Peter Patel-Schneider: this creates a burdon on round-tripping ←
17:39:46 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:39:59 <MarkusK> ... but the creation of new individuals as such is the main problem
... but the creation of new individuals as such is the main problem ←
17:40:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:40:42 <MarkusK> alanr: for equivalent class and equivalent properties it should not be such a problem
Alan Ruttenberg: for equivalent class and equivalent properties it should not be such a problem ←
17:41:00 <MarkusK> ianh: not sure without having a closer look
Ian Horrocks: not sure without having a closer look ←
17:41:29 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:41:37 <MarkusK> ... it seems we cannot resolve the isue with that solution without further investigation
... it seems we cannot resolve the issue with that solution without further investigation ←
17:41:46 <MarkusK> s/isue/issue/
17:41:53 <jjc> q+
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Unknown jjc: q+ ←
17:42:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:42:06 <MarkusK> alanr: my proposal for possible optimisation might be a separate issue
Alan Ruttenberg: my proposal for possible optimisation might be a separate issue ←
17:42:13 <ivan> ack jjc
Ivan Herman: ack jjc ←
17:42:17 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:43:16 <MarkusK> jjc: the issue touches other issues, and I would currently abstain on this issue until the relations are clearer
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Unknown jjc: the issue touches other issues, and I would currently abstain on this issue until the relations are clearer ←
17:44:08 <MarkusK> STRAWPOLL: should this issue by closed according to pfps's proposal?
STRAWPOLL: should this issue by closed according to pfps's proposal? ←
17:44:16 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:44:17 <uli_> 1
Uli Sattler: 1 ←
17:44:18 <pfps> +1 (surprise)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (surprise) ←
17:44:18 <jjc> +0 concur
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Unknown jjc: +0 concur ←
17:44:25 <DougL> If asked I would respond +1
Doug Lenat: If asked I would respond +1 ←
17:44:27 <Zhe> 1
17:44:27 <baojie> +1
17:44:28 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
17:44:30 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:44:32 <MarkusK> +1
+1 ←
17:44:34 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
17:44:34 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:44:38 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
17:44:39 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:44:40 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:44:45 <Ratnesh> 0
Ratnesh Sahay: 0 ←
17:45:11 <pfps> PROPOSAL; close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue
Peter Patel-Schneider: PROPOSAL; close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue ←
17:46:11 <alanr> considering http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html as possible = new information
Alan Ruttenberg: considering http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html as possible = new information ←
17:46:13 <pfps> +1 ..................................................
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 .................................................. ←
17:46:14 <DougL> +1 (peter's typing might be that new info of course)
Doug Lenat: +1 (peter's typing might be that new info of course) ←
17:46:16 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:46:21 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
17:46:22 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:46:23 <MarkusK> +1
+1 ←
17:46:24 <uli_> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:46:25 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:46:26 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:46:29 <jjc> +0 concur
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Unknown jjc: +0 concur ←
17:46:30 <Zhe> +1
17:46:30 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:46:31 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
17:46:32 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:46:39 <Ratnesh> 0
Ratnesh Sahay: 0 ←
17:46:41 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
17:46:42 <calvanese> 0
Diego Calvanese: 0 ←
17:46:52 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
17:47:01 <pfps> RESOLVED: as per the proposal
RESOLVED: as per the proposal ←
17:47:02 <IanH> RESOLVED: as per above proposal
RESOLVED: as per above proposal ←
17:47:13 <pfps> PROPOSAL; close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue
RESOLVED: close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue ←
17:47:40 <MarkusK> s/PROPOSAL;/RESOLVED:/
17:47:53 <pfps> RESOLVED: close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue
RESOLVED: close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue ←
17:49:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:49:19 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/owl11-syntax/
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/owl11-syntax/ ←
17:49:25 <MarkusK> Ianh: Time for issues is up, proceed with reviews of candidate worknig drafts first
Ian Horrocks: Time for issues is up, proceed with reviews of candidate worknig drafts first ←
17:50:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:50:58 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion
ACTION: bmotik2 to Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion ←
17:50:58 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-115 - Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion [on Boris Motik - due 2008-04-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-115 - Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion [on Boris Motik - due 2008-04-02]. ←
17:51:10 <MarkusK> Fragments document
Fragments document ←
17:51:35 <MarkusK> Achille: I corrected minor problems, and raised issues where needed
Achille Fokoue: I corrected minor problems, and raised issues where needed ←
17:51:50 <MarkusK> Msmith: mostly editorial comments, not put into wiki page yet
Michael Smith: mostly editorial comments, not put into wiki page yet ←
17:52:37 <MarkusK> Alanr: uncontroversial editorial changes can be made directly in the document
Alan Ruttenberg: uncontroversial editorial changes can be made directly in the document ←
17:53:00 <MarkusK> Msmith: OK, I will shortly incorporate my comments then
Michael Smith: OK, I will shortly incorporate my comments then ←
17:53:11 <sandro> q+ to comment on wiki page name, document title
Sandro Hawke: q+ to comment on wiki page name, document title ←
17:53:15 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:53:37 <alanr> "Fragments of OWL"
Alan Ruttenberg: "Fragments of OWL" ←
17:53:47 <MarkusK> Sandro: we might want to change the title
Sandro Hawke: we might want to change the title ←
17:53:54 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/owl11-fragments/
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/owl11-fragments/ ←
17:54:01 <MarkusK> Alanr: "Fragments of OWL" seems to be a good name
Alan Ruttenberg: "Fragments of OWL" seems to be a good name ←
17:54:02 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:54:12 <sandro> "Language Fragments"
Sandro Hawke: "Language Fragments" ←
17:54:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:54:14 <sandro> ack sandro
Sandro Hawke: ack sandro ←
17:54:14 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to comment on wiki page name, document title
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to comment on wiki page name, document title ←
17:54:15 <pfps> owl pieces / owl bones
Peter Patel-Schneider: owl pieces / owl bones ←
17:54:22 <MarkusK> ianh: I would just say "OWL Fragments"
Ian Horrocks: I would just say "OWL Fragments" ←
17:54:36 <jjc> q+ to mention abstract
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Unknown jjc: q+ to mention abstract ←
17:54:45 <alanr> "Fragments" ok by me
Alan Ruttenberg: "Fragments" ok by me ←
17:54:51 <MarkusK> ... even just "Fragments" would be good
... even just "Fragments" would be good ←
17:54:55 <Zhe> "OWL Fragments" sounds good
Zhe Wu: "OWL Fragments" sounds good ←
17:54:55 <bcuencagrau> To be consistent with the other documents we should simply say ``Fragments''
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: To be consistent with the other documents we should simply say ``Fragments'' ←
17:55:01 <pfps> syntax is Syntax, so fragments should be .... Fragments
Peter Patel-Schneider: syntax is Syntax, so fragments should be .... Fragments ←
17:55:03 <Rinke> "Fragments"
Rinke Hoekstra: "Fragments" ←
17:55:26 <Achille> q+
Achille Fokoue: q+ ←
17:55:28 <Zhe> thanks
17:55:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:56:10 <MarkusK> jjc: the abstract of the fragments doc is insufficient
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Unknown jjc: the abstract of the fragments doc is insufficient ←
17:56:38 <pfps> -1
17:56:40 <uli_> "species"
Uli Sattler: "species" ←
17:56:45 <MarkusK> ... the term "fragment" may have a negative connotation
... the term "fragment" may have a negative connotation ←
17:56:46 <bcuencagrau> no species
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: no species ←
17:57:05 <MarkusK> alanr: "profiles"?
Alan Ruttenberg: "profiles"? ←
17:57:08 <bmotik> "Fragment" is a standard term from logic.
Boris Motik: "Fragment" is a standard term from logic. ←
17:57:18 <bcuencagrau> Yes
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Yes ←
17:57:20 <pfps> To change the name requires moving the page, I think
Peter Patel-Schneider: To change the name requires moving the page, I think ←
17:57:40 <jjc> fragment may be a term from logic, but ...
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Unknown jjc: fragment may be a term from logic, but ... ←
17:57:48 <calvanese> q+
Diego Calvanese: q+ ←
17:58:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:58:08 <MarkusK> ianh: this discussion shold be continued offline
Ian Horrocks: this discussion should be continued offline ←
17:58:09 <IanH> ack jjc
Ian Horrocks: ack jjc ←
17:58:10 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to mention abstract
Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to mention abstract ←
17:58:14 <MarkusK> s/shold/should/
17:58:56 <pfps> An abstract is, by definition, one paragraph. (Yes this is often violated.)
Peter Patel-Schneider: An abstract is, by definition, one paragraph. (Yes this is often violated.) ←
17:59:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:59:18 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:59:22 <jjc> q-
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Unknown jjc: q- ←
17:59:38 <alanr> q- alanr to say +1 to last thing sandro said
Alan Ruttenberg: q- alanr to say +1 to last thing sandro said ←
17:59:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:59:57 <IanH> ack Achille
Ian Horrocks: ack Achille ←
18:00:21 <bmotik> I can review Achille's changes.
Boris Motik: I can review Achille's changes. ←
18:00:27 <MarkusK> Achille: I would like an additional review of the changes I made recently
Achille Fokoue: I would like an additional review of the changes I made recently ←
18:00:42 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:00:56 <msmith> achille, I will review again with your edits in mind
Michael Smith: achille, I will review again with your edits in mind ←
18:01:22 <MarkusK> Calvanese: regarding the DL Lite fragment, I think major changes are still required in the document
Diego Calvanese: regarding the DL Lite fragment, I think major changes are still required in the document ←
18:01:33 <MarkusK> ... for example function properties should be there
... for example function properties should be there ←
18:01:41 <bcuencagrau> Diego, remember that we have role hierarchies
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Diego, remember that we have role hierarchies ←
18:01:44 <pfps> q+
18:01:46 <MarkusK> ... several other additions could be made
... several other additions could be made ←
18:01:51 <bcuencagrau> Wouldn't functionality be problematic?
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Wouldn't functionality be problematic? ←
18:02:27 <IanH> ack
Ian Horrocks: ack ←
18:02:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:02:35 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/80
Michael Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/80 ←
18:02:41 <IanH> ack calvanese
Ian Horrocks: ack calvanese ←
18:03:09 <alanr> +1 to pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to pfps ←
18:03:19 <DougL> good point
Doug Lenat: good point ←
18:03:27 <calvanese> +1 to pfps
Diego Calvanese: +1 to pfps ←
18:03:29 <MarkusK> pfps: we acan note in the current version that the presented DL Lite fragment is a conservative fragment that is likely to be extended later on
Peter Patel-Schneider: we acan note in the current version that the presented DL Lite fragment is a conservative fragment that is likely to be extended later on ←
18:03:40 <bmotik> I can do ti
Boris Motik: I can do ti ←
18:03:49 <calvanese> ok
Diego Calvanese: ok ←
18:04:06 <msmith> bmotik, Suggest merging note about ISSUE-80 into it
Michael Smith: bmotik, Suggest merging note about ISSUE-80 into it ←
18:04:09 <calvanese> ok
Diego Calvanese: ok ←
18:04:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:04:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:04:23 <pfps> q-
18:04:42 <MarkusK> ACTION: bmotik to add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite
ACTION: bmotik to add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite ←
18:04:42 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - bmotik
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - bmotik ←
18:04:48 <MarkusK> ACTION: bmotik2 to add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite
ACTION: bmotik2 to add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite ←
18:04:48 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-116 - Add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite [on Boris Motik - due 2008-04-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-116 - Add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite [on Boris Motik - due 2008-04-02]. ←
18:04:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:05:44 <MarkusK> XML serialisation
XML serialisation ←
18:05:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:06:04 <MarkusK> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/XML_Serialization
http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/XML_Serialization ←
18:06:30 <MarkusK> Achille: my comments were already addressed by pfps
Achille Fokoue: my comments were already addressed by pfps ←
18:06:45 <MarkusK> ... the document is in a good shape overall
... the document is in a good shape overall ←
18:07:08 <bmotik> Msmith, good point about ISSUE-80; will do.
Boris Motik: Msmith, good point about ISSUE-80; will do. ←
18:07:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:07:20 <MarkusK> Sandro: I noticed inconsistent uses of namespaces
Sandro Hawke: I noticed inconsistent uses of namespaces ←
18:07:27 <alanr> q+ to say s/owl11xml:/ox:/
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to say s/owl11xml:/ox:/ ←
18:07:41 <MarkusK> ... maybe we should add a note that the namespaces might be changed later
... maybe we should add a note that the namespaces might be changed later ←
18:07:51 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:07:59 <alanr> q+ for a couple other non-showstopping comments
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ for a couple other non-showstopping comments ←
18:08:04 <alanr> q+ to for a couple other non-showstopping comments
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to for a couple other non-showstopping comments ←
18:08:08 <MarkusK> ianh: it would be good to have a sensible solution eaerly on, so as to prevent people using placeholders that are changed later
Ian Horrocks: it would be good to have a sensible solution eaerly on, so as to prevent people using placeholders that are changed later ←
18:08:39 <pfps> ox is a namespace name not a namespace
Peter Patel-Schneider: ox is a namespace name not a namespace ←
18:08:48 <MarkusK> alanr: minor comment to change the namespace prefix in the schema to the one used in the text
Alan Ruttenberg: minor comment to change the namespace prefix in the schema to the one used in the text ←
18:08:59 <alanr> owl11xml:EntityAnnotation
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Unknown owl11xml: EntityAnnotation [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
18:09:04 <alanr> ox:EntityAnnotation
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Unknown ox: EntityAnnotation [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
18:09:17 <MarkusK> ... there are still inconsitent namespace prefixes in the codument
... there are still inconsitent namespace prefixes in the document ←
18:09:27 <MarkusK> s/codument/document/
18:10:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:10:12 <MarkusK> ... my second comment is about "abstract" and "concrete" classes; the use of those terms is not fully clear yet
... my second comment is about "abstract" and "concrete" classes; the use of those terms is not fully clear yet ←
18:10:13 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:10:13 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to say s/owl11xml:/ox:/ and to for a couple other non-showstopping comments
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to say s/owl11xml:/ox:/ and to for a couple other non-showstopping comments ←
18:10:23 <alanr> Each abstract class (i.e., a class that is not intended to be instantiated, but is used to define a class hierarchy) is mapped to a global element group.
Alan Ruttenberg: Each abstract class (i.e., a class that is not intended to be instantiated, but is used to define a class hierarchy) is mapped to a global element group. ←
18:10:48 <msmith> on namespaces, I've verified that we've been using http://www.w3.org/2006/12/owl11-xml , because this what is what the OWLAPI uses
Michael Smith: on namespaces, I've verified that we've been using http://www.w3.org/2006/12/owl11-xml , because this what is what the OWLAPI uses ←
18:10:51 <MarkusK> ... (above note in IRC is an example case)
... (above note in IRC is an example case) ←
18:11:00 <bmotik> Yes.
Boris Motik: Yes. ←
18:11:05 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:11:07 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:11:07 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:11:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:11:23 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
18:11:24 <MarkusK> ianh: who has implemented OWL 1.1 software? Which namespaces would users prefer?
Ian Horrocks: who has implemented OWL 1.1 software? Which namespaces would users prefer? ←
18:11:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:11:46 <MarkusK> boris: I do not think users would care much; I have not received any user comments on that
Boris Motik: I do not think users would care much; I have not received any user comments on that ←
18:11:57 <MarkusK> s/boris/bmotik/
18:12:19 <MarkusK> alanr: we still should not change the namespace if there are already OWL 1.1 ontologies
Alan Ruttenberg: we still should not change the namespace if there are already OWL 1.1 ontologies ←
18:12:25 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:12:25 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:12:36 <MarkusK> bmotik: I think there are not so many OWL 1.1 ontologies that would be affected there
Boris Motik: I think there are not so many OWL 1.1 ontologies that would be affected there ←
18:12:51 <MarkusK> msmith: I posted the namespaces used in the OWL API into IRC
Michael Smith: I posted the namespaces used in the OWL API into IRC ←
18:13:17 <MarkusK> ... I also think that there is no problem in changing the namespace now
... I also think that there is no problem in changing the namespace now ←
18:13:26 <Rinke> +1 to undated namespace
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to undated namespace ←
18:13:34 <MarkusK> sandro: I would prefer a non-dated namespace now
Sandro Hawke: I would prefer a non-dated namespace now ←
18:13:51 <MarkusK> ianh: yes, I also would like to not have dates in the namespace
Ian Horrocks: yes, I also would like to not have dates in the namespace ←
18:13:59 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml ←
18:14:07 <MarkusK> sandor: yes, the dates were only used to generate unique names, the are not really needed
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Unknown sandor: yes, the dates were only used to generate unique names, the are not really needed ←
18:14:15 <pfps> OK by me
Peter Patel-Schneider: OK by me ←
18:14:15 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:14:19 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
18:14:22 <Zhe> looks good
18:14:24 <DougL> +1
Doug Lenat: +1 ←
18:14:25 <bcuencagrau> +1
18:14:26 <uli_> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:14:29 <baojie> +1
18:14:32 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
18:14:35 <Rinke> looks ok, what does the rdf namespace look like?
Rinke Hoekstra: looks ok, what does the rdf namespace look like? ←
18:14:36 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:14:37 <MarkusK> Strawpoll: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as a namespace
STRAWPOLL: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as a namespace ←
18:14:46 <calvanese> 0
Diego Calvanese: 0 ←
18:14:48 <MarkusK> +1
+1 ←
18:14:50 <Zhe> Is OWL 1.1 name itself fixed?
Zhe Wu: Is OWL 1.1 name itself fixed? ←
18:14:50 <sandro> PROPOSED: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization
PROPOSED: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization ←
18:14:57 <pfps> +1
18:14:58 <MarkusK> +1
+1 ←
18:15:00 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
18:15:06 <DougL> +1 again
Doug Lenat: +1 again ←
18:15:09 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
18:15:10 <sandro> RESOLVED: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization
RESOLVED: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization ←
18:15:23 <Zhe> q?
18:15:27 <Zhe> q+
18:15:31 <msmith> q-
Michael Smith: q- ←
18:15:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:15:43 <MarkusK> sandro: relaetd question is where to publish the schema, but I need to do some more research on this
Sandro Hawke: related question is where to publish the schema, but I need to do some more research on this ←
18:15:51 <alanr> q+ to ask about GRDDL
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask about GRDDL ←
18:15:55 <MarkusK> s/relaetd/related/
18:16:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:17 <Zhe> q-
18:16:17 <IanH> ack Zhe
Ian Horrocks: ack Zhe ←
18:16:17 <MarkusK> Zhe: does this namespace decision imply that the new standrad is called OWL 1.1
Zhe Wu: does this namespace decision imply that the new standard is called OWL 1.1 ←
18:16:24 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/ns/2008/04/xml
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/ns/2008/04/xml ←
18:16:27 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:16:27 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask about GRDDL
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask about GRDDL ←
18:16:39 <sandro> Yes, good point.... maybe not "owl11". just "owl"?
Sandro Hawke: Yes, good point.... maybe not "owl11". just "owl"? ←
18:16:46 <jjc> q+
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Unknown jjc: q+ ←
18:16:47 <MarkusK> s/standrad/standard/
18:16:48 <ivan> alan: no
Alan Ruttenberg: no [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ] ←
18:17:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:17:51 <MarkusK> ianh: should we rather change the namespace to drop the 11?
Ian Horrocks: should we rather change the namespace to drop the 11? ←
18:17:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:14 <pfps> I prefer .../owl-xml
Peter Patel-Schneider: I prefer .../owl-xml ←
18:19:04 <MarkusK> jjc: we can still change our minds on the namespace later on, since this is just a working draft
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Unknown jjc: we can still change our minds on the namespace later on, since this is just a working draft ←
18:19:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:19:12 <IanH> ack jjc
Ian Horrocks: ack jjc ←
18:19:50 <MarkusK> ianh: indeed, we can go with the current resolution for the early working draft now
Ian Horrocks: indeed, we can go with the current resolution for the early working draft now ←
18:19:59 <MarkusK> Primer
Primer ←
18:20:06 <baojie> +q
18:20:07 <MarkusK> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Primer
http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Primer ←
18:20:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:20:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:20:43 <IanH> ack baojie
Ian Horrocks: ack baojie ←
18:20:57 <MarkusK> Jie: there is still some work to do. The main question is who will read the Primer.
Jie Bao: there is still some work to do. The main question is who will read the Primer. ←
18:21:20 <MarkusK> ... I think the document needs to be restructured to become accessible for users of different levels of expertise
... I think the document needs to be restructured to become accessible for users of different levels of expertise ←
18:21:48 <alanr> q+ to say OWA is not advanced topic
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to say OWA is not advanced topic ←
18:22:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:22:12 <MarkusK> ... advanced topics like Open World Asumption should go to later sections
... advanced topics like Open World Assumption should go to later sections ←
18:22:13 <alanr> q+ to say also commonly messed up
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to say also commonly messed up ←
18:22:20 <MarkusK> s/Asumption/Assumption/
18:22:28 <DougL> q+
Doug Lenat: q+ ←
18:23:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:23:11 <MarkusK> ianh: Jie, could you and Deborah cooperate with the authors to fix the perceived problems with the Primer until F2F2?
Ian Horrocks: Jie, could you and Deborah cooperate with the authors to fix the perceived problems with the Primer until F2F2? ←
18:23:46 <MarkusK> Jie: I think Sec 3 and 4 are mostly our problem, but fixing that might not require much time
Jie Bao: I think Sec 3 and 4 are mostly our problem, but fixing that might not require much time ←
18:23:51 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:24:17 <uli_> +1 to alanr
Uli Sattler: +1 to alanr ←
18:24:21 <Rinke> +1 too
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 too ←
18:24:26 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:24:27 <MarkusK> alanr: I object that OWA is considered an advanced topic. It is in fact a major point in using OWL
Alan Ruttenberg: I object that OWA is considered an advanced topic. It is in fact a major point in using OWL ←
18:24:30 <baojie> q+
18:24:41 <MarkusK> ... I therefore would object to moivng that to the appendix
... I therefore would object to moivng that to the appendix ←
18:24:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:02 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:25:02 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to say OWA is not advanced topic and to say also commonly messed up
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to say OWA is not advanced topic and to say also commonly messed up ←
18:25:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:12 <IanH> ack DougL
Ian Horrocks: ack DougL ←
18:25:13 <MarkusK> DougL: the Primer is far frmo being ready to be published
Doug Lenat: the Primer is far frmo being ready to be published ←
18:25:20 <MarkusK> ... whole sections are mostly blank
... whole sections are mostly blank ←
18:25:29 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:35 <IanH> ack baojie
Ian Horrocks: ack baojie ←
18:25:47 <MarkusK> ... e.g., the advanced features section is not containing advanced features
... e.g., the advanced features section is not containing advanced features ←
18:25:50 <baojie> q+
18:25:57 <IanH> sorry!
Ian Horrocks: sorry! ←
18:26:09 <MarkusK> ... more people from this group should review the Primer, since it is important for the perception of OWL
... more people from this group should review the Primer, since it is important for the perception of OWL ←
18:26:23 <MarkusK> ... the current content of the Primier is good, but more is n eeded
... the current content of the Primier is good, but more is needed ←
18:26:32 <MarkusK> s/n eeded/needed/
18:26:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:26:53 <IanH> ack baojie
Ian Horrocks: ack baojie ←
18:26:56 <MarkusK> Jie: I agree with DougL
18:27:21 <MarkusK> ... I think that an incremental presentation would be better
... I think that an incremental presentation would be better ←
18:27:31 <alanr> q+ to remind of UFDTF meeting this monday up coming
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to remind of UFDTF meeting this monday up coming ←
18:27:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:28:23 <MarkusK> pfps: we have onyl two days left to make changes, which seems to preclude any substantial changes before F2F2
Peter Patel-Schneider: we have only two days left to make changes, which seems to preclude any substantial changes before F2F2 ←
18:28:28 <alanr> question is: Should we wait on publishing this?
Alan Ruttenberg: question is: Should we wait on publishing this? ←
18:28:30 <MarkusK> s/onyl/only/
18:28:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:28:40 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:28:48 <MarkusK> pfps: the missing sections are "Using OWL" and "Using OWL Tools"
Peter Patel-Schneider: the missing sections are "Using OWL" and "Using OWL Tools" ←
18:28:51 <sandro> q+ to address WD vs LC
Sandro Hawke: q+ to address WD vs LC ←
18:28:57 <jjc> q+
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Unknown jjc: q+ ←
18:29:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:29:02 <MarkusK> ... not sure whether "Using OWL" is needed
... not sure whether "Using OWL" is needed ←
18:29:25 <MarkusK> ... I do not agree, though, that the Primer is not publishable as is
... I do not agree, though, that the Primer is not publishable as is ←
18:29:32 <baojie> I may help, but will be minor as Peter and Bijan are the authors
Jie Bao: I may help, but will be minor as Peter and Bijan are the authors ←
18:29:34 <pfps> Monday is a travel day!
Peter Patel-Schneider: Monday is a travel day! ←
18:29:52 <MarkusK> Alanr: there is a UFDTF meeting this monday where we might discuss this issue
Alan Ruttenberg: there is a UFDTF meeting this monday where we might discuss this issue ←
18:30:06 <MarkusK> ... would it be harmful to not publish now but in two weeks?
... would it be harmful to not publish now but in two weeks? ←
18:30:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:30:17 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:30:17 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to remind of UFDTF meeting this monday up coming
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to remind of UFDTF meeting this monday up coming ←
18:30:19 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:30:20 <MarkusK> Ianh: we can consider that at the F2F
Ian Horrocks: we can consider that at the F2F ←
18:30:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:30:27 <IanH> ack sandro
Ian Horrocks: ack sandro ←
18:30:27 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to address WD vs LC
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to address WD vs LC ←
18:30:30 <MarkusK> Sandro: Publish early, publish often!
Sandro Hawke: Publish early, publish often! ←
18:30:40 <DougL> It's not "harmful",;we can make it very clear that it is a first draft.
Doug Lenat: It's not "harmful",;we can make it very clear that it is a first draft. ←
18:30:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:30:44 <MarkusK> ... we could publish an incomplete document as a working draft
... we could publish an incomplete document as a working draft ←
18:31:23 <MarkusK> jjc: It would be useful to add a one-sentence summary of the review comments, to indicate open points that are still worked on
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Unknown jjc: It would be useful to add a one-sentence summary of the review comments, to indicate open points that are still worked on ←
18:32:01 <MarkusK> ... in general we can have comment inline to indicate work in progress
... in general we can have comment inline to indicate work in progress ←
18:32:21 <DougL> that sounds like a workable idea. peter should probably summarize the revies, not point at them
Doug Lenat: that sounds like a workable idea. peter should probably summarize the revies, not point at them ←
18:32:32 <MarkusK> pfps: It will be hard to point to the distributed reviews from the Primer
Peter Patel-Schneider: It will be hard to point to the distributed reviews from the Primer ←
18:33:04 <MarkusK> sandro: we should not point to the reviews, but reach a consensus on what needs to be done, and state that in the document
Sandro Hawke: we should not point to the reviews, but reach a consensus on what needs to be done, and state that in the document ←
18:33:20 <DougL> Let me reiterate that what *is* there is quite good.
Doug Lenat: Let me reiterate that what *is* there is quite good. ←
18:33:44 <uli_> +1 to Doug
Uli Sattler: +1 to Doug ←
18:34:05 <DougL> sure
Doug Lenat: sure ←
18:34:24 <pfps> The reviewers could come up with such a statement, Bijan and I could "fix" it.
Peter Patel-Schneider: The reviewers could come up with such a statement, Bijan and I could "fix" it. ←
18:34:52 <DougL> Fixing dogs means...
Doug Lenat: Fixing dogs means... ←
18:35:21 <MarkusK> Additional other business?
Additional other business? ←
18:35:26 <jjc> -- bye
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Unknown jjc: -- bye ←
18:35:30 <Zakim> -jjc
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18:36:04 <MarkusK> pfps: agenda amendment: RIF statement on OWL compatibility
Peter Patel-Schneider: agenda amendment: RIF statement on OWL compatibility ←
18:36:13 <Zhe> bye
18:36:15 <Zakim> -DougL
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18:36:15 <Rinke> bye
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18:36:18 <baojie> bye
18:36:18 <calvanese> bye
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18:36:19 <Ratnesh> bye
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18:36:20 <Zakim> -Zhe
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18:36:20 <Zakim> -Sandro
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18:36:21 <baojie> --bye
18:36:21 <Zakim> -alanr
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18:36:23 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
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18:36:24 <Zakim> -Ratnesh
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18:36:25 <Zakim> -uli_
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18:36:26 <Zakim> -msmith
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18:36:27 <alanr> thanks ian!
Alan Ruttenberg: thanks ian! ←
18:36:28 <Zakim> -Rinke
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18:36:30 <Zakim> -IanH
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18:36:32 <Zakim> -baojie
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18:36:33 <sandro> MarkusK, give me a minute to get the minutes ready on the wiki.
Sandro Hawke: MarkusK, give me a minute to get the minutes ready on the wiki. ←
18:36:34 <Zakim> -pfps
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18:36:42 <Zakim> -calvanese
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18:36:51 <MarkusK> ok
ok ←
18:36:53 <Zakim> -MarkusK
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18:40:37 <sandro> Chair: Ian
18:40:45 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, list attendees ←
18:40:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +39.047.101.aaaa, +0186527aabb, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, +1.512.342.aacc, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +39.047.101.aaaa, +0186527aabb, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, +1.512.342.aacc, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace, ←
18:40:49 <Zakim> ... Ratnesh, msmith, +0122341aadd, jjc, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaff, +1.617.253.aagg, alanr, pfps, Achille, baojie, +31.20.525.aahh, Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Ratnesh, msmith, +0122341aadd, jjc, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaff, +1.617.253.aagg, alanr, pfps, Achille, baojie, +31.20.525.aahh, Rinke ←
18:41:43 <sandro> Present: IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace, Ratnesh, msmith, jjc, Zhe, alanr, pfps, Achille, baojie, Rinke
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18:41:54 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Achille, in SW_OWL()12:00PM
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18:41:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +39.047.101.aaaa, +0186527aabb, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, +1.512.342.aacc, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace, Ratnesh, msmith,
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18:42:01 <Zakim> ... +0122341aadd, jjc, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaff, +1.617.253.aagg, alanr, pfps, Achille, baojie, +31.20.525.aahh, Rinke
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18:42:34 <sandro> Okay, MarkusK -- http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.03.26/Minutes is all yours.
Sandro Hawke: Okay, MarkusK -- http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.03.26/Minutes is all yours. ←
18:42:46 <MarkusK> ok, thanks Sandro
ok, thanks Sandro ←
18:43:15 <sandro> no problem. thanks for scribing! :-)
Sandro Hawke: no problem. thanks for scribing! :-) ←
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