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17:54:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-owl-irc ←
17:54:39 <pfps_> zakim, this is owlwg
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this is owlwg ←
17:54:39 <Zakim> pfps_, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg".
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg". ←
17:54:48 <pfps_> zakim, this will be owlwg
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this will be owlwg ←
17:54:48 <Zakim> ok, pfps_; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pfps_; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago ←
17:55:41 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started ←
17:55:48 <Zakim> +pfps_
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps_ ←
17:55:55 <pfps_> zakim, who is on the phone?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
17:55:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ ←
17:55:57 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
17:56:02 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p3 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p3 is me ←
17:56:02 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
17:56:20 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:56:20 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:56:34 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:56:34 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:56:45 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
17:56:51 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall ←
17:56:55 <m_schnei> zakim, ??P4 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P4 is me ←
17:56:55 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei; got it ←
17:57:01 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:57:01 <Zakim> m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei ←
17:57:03 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
17:57:09 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:57:09 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:57:23 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:57:23 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:57:32 <pfps_> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:57:32 <Zakim> pfps_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ should now be muted ←
17:58:03 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
17:58:30 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
17:58:54 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
17:58:54 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
17:59:02 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
17:59:02 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
17:59:21 <Elisa> ScribeNick: Elisa
(Scribe set to Elisa Kendall)
18:00:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
18:01:04 <IanH> peter, how do we make Elisa be the scribe?
Ian Horrocks: peter, how do we make Elisa be the scribe? ←
18:01:07 <Zakim> + +7.955.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.955.aaaa ←
18:01:23 <jeremy> Zakim, aaaa is me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
18:01:23 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy; got it ←
18:01:34 <Zakim> +m_schnei.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei.a ←
18:01:36 <jeremy> zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me ←
18:01:36 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:01:52 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
18:01:58 <IanH> Ivan, we need help with zakim scribing etc
Ian Horrocks: Ivan, we need help with zakim scribing etc ←
18:02:01 <uli> zakim, ??P0 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
18:02:01 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
18:02:05 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
18:02:05 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
18:02:06 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
18:02:10 <Zakim> + +0190827aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0190827aabb ←
18:02:17 <MartinD> zakim, aabb is me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, aabb is me ←
18:02:17 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it ←
18:02:20 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:02:20 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:02:29 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, set log public ←
18:02:31 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
18:02:31 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
18:02:32 <MartinD> zakim, mute me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me ←
18:02:32 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted ←
18:02:37 <Zakim> -m_schnei.a
Scribe problem: the name 'm_schnei.a' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei.a ←
18:02:52 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vipul_Kashyap ←
18:02:54 <IanH> Can anyone hear me?
Ian Horrocks: Can anyone hear me? ←
18:03:02 <ewallace> No
Evan Wallace: No ←
18:03:07 <Zakim> +m_schnei.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei.a ←
18:03:09 <m_schnei> why does zakim say things like "+m_schnei.a"?
Michael Schneider: why does zakim say things like "+m_schnei.a"? ←
18:03:13 <jeremy> -1
Jeremy Carroll: -1 ←
18:03:23 <IanH> I'll try dialing in again
Ian Horrocks: I'll try dialing in again ←
18:03:23 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
18:03:23 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
18:03:31 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau ←
18:03:47 <jeremy> zakim believes that the line associated with some call is your line
Jeremy Carroll: zakim believes that the line associated with some call is your line ←
18:03:50 <Zakim> + +1.512.342.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.342.aacc ←
18:04:00 <Zakim> -m_schnei.a
Scribe problem: the name 'm_schnei.a' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei.a ←
18:04:01 <Zakim> +Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten ←
18:04:03 <DougL> zakim, aacc is me
Doug Lenat: zakim, aacc is me ←
18:04:03 <Zakim> +DougL; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DougL; got it ←
18:04:10 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
18:04:10 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←
18:04:11 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:04:21 <m_schnei> no, it said this looong after!
Michael Schneider: no, it said this looong after! ←
18:04:22 <jeremy> zakim, who is on the call?
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:04:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), m_schnei (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P7, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), m_schnei (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P7, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), ←
18:04:25 <Zakim> ... Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten (muted), Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten (muted), Sandro ←
18:04:27 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
18:04:31 <Zakim> +m_schnei.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei.a ←
18:04:33 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aadd ←
18:04:38 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeff_Pan ←
18:04:40 <IanH> zakim, ??P2 is IanH
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P2 is IanH ←
18:04:40 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←
18:04:41 <hendler> zakim, aadd is me
James Hendler: zakim, aadd is me ←
18:04:42 <Zakim> +hendler; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +hendler; got it ←
18:04:51 <m_schnei> maybe I have stolen someone else's phone line?
Michael Schneider: maybe I have stolen someone else's phone line? ←
18:05:00 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
18:05:00 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
18:05:06 <IanH> zakim, who is here
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here ←
18:05:06 <Zakim> IanH, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH, you need to end that query with '?' ←
18:05:15 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
18:05:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), m_schnei (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P7, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), m_schnei (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P7, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), ←
18:05:18 <Zakim> ... Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten (muted), Sandro, IanH, m_schnei.a, hendler, Jeff_Pan
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten (muted), Sandro, IanH, m_schnei.a, hendler, Jeff_Pan ←
18:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see hendler, JeffP, vipul, DougL, MartinD, Zhe, ivan, uli, jeremy, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, Elisa, bmotik, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, Carsten, m_schnei, sandro, pfps_,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see hendler, JeffP, vipul, DougL, MartinD, Zhe, ivan, uli, jeremy, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, Elisa, bmotik, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, Carsten, m_schnei, sandro, pfps_, ←
18:05:21 <Zakim> ... pfps, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: ... pfps, trackbot-ng ←
18:05:31 <jeremy> zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, unmute me ←
18:05:31 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
18:05:32 <Zhe> Zakim, ??P& is me
18:05:32 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not recognize a party named '??P&'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not recognize a party named '??P&' ←
18:05:54 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:05:54 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
18:05:58 <pfps_> Zakim, ??P7 is Zhe
Peter Patel-Schneider: Zakim, ??P7 is Zhe ←
18:05:58 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
18:05:58 <Zhe> Zakim, ??P7 is me
18:05:59 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as Zhe, Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P7 as Zhe, Zhe ←
18:06:12 <m_schnei> ok, I go out
Michael Schneider: ok, I go out ←
18:06:21 <Zakim> -m_schnei
Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei ←
18:06:30 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:06:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, MarkusK (muted), jeremy, uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, MarkusK (muted), jeremy, uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten ←
18:06:33 <Zakim> ... (muted), Sandro, IanH, m_schnei.a, hendler, Jeff_Pan
Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Sandro, IanH, m_schnei.a, hendler, Jeff_Pan ←
18:06:55 <sandro> zakim, drop m_schnei.a
Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop m_schnei.a ←
18:06:55 <Zakim> m_schnei.a is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei.a is being disconnected ←
18:06:57 <Zakim> -m_schnei.a
Scribe problem: the name 'm_schnei.a' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei.a ←
18:06:58 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
18:07:04 <Zhe> I was dropped
18:07:06 <m_schnei> im in again
Michael Schneider: im in again ←
18:07:14 <m_schnei> zakim, ??P4 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P4 is me ←
18:07:14 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei; got it ←
18:07:14 <sandro> zakim, drop Zhe
Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop Zhe ←
18:07:15 <Zakim> Zhe is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe is being disconnected ←
18:07:16 <Zakim> -Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe ←
18:07:26 <IanH> zakim, who is on the cs
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is on the cs ←
18:07:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the cs', IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the cs', IanH ←
18:07:26 <jeremy> zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me ←
18:07:27 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:07:28 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:07:28 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
18:07:29 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
18:07:30 <bcuencagrau> hey you guys cut me!
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: hey you guys cut me! ←
18:07:32 <IanH> zakim, who is on the call?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:07:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten ←
18:07:36 <Zakim> ... (muted), Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei (muted), [IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei (muted), [IBM] ←
18:07:42 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille ←
18:07:42 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
18:07:58 <Elisa> Topic: Admin
18:08:07 <Elisa> Agenda amendments - none
Agenda amendments - none ←
18:08:26 <Zakim> +m_schnei.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei.a ←
18:08:32 <pfps_> +1
18:08:35 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
18:08:50 <pfps_> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:08:50 <Zakim> pfps_ was already muted, pfps_
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ was already muted, pfps_ ←
18:08:52 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P18 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P18 is me ←
18:08:52 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
18:09:07 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
18:09:07 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
18:09:09 <sandro> Zakim, m_schnei.a is Zhe
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, m_schnei.a is Zhe ←
18:09:09 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
18:09:13 <Zhe> thanks
18:09:23 <IanH> PROPOSAL: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.13/Minutes
PROPOSED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.13/Minutes ←
18:09:36 <ivan> +1 for the minutes
Ivan Herman: +1 for the minutes ←
18:09:38 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
18:09:43 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:10:05 <m_schnei> 2008-02-13
Michael Schneider: 2008-02-13 ←
18:10:36 <uli> i think the linked minutes *are* 20th
Uli Sattler: i think the linked minutes *are* 20th ←
18:10:50 <IanH> PROPOSAL: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes
PROPOSED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes ←
18:11:03 <pfps_> +1
18:11:05 <Zhe> +1
18:11:14 <IanH> RESOLVED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes
RESOLVED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes ←
18:11:32 <jeremy> note the 20th minutes indicate that we did approve the 13th minutes
Jeremy Carroll: note the 20th minutes indicate that we did approve the 13th minutes ←
18:11:36 <Elisa> Upcoming incubator group discussion
Upcoming incubator group discussion ←
18:11:48 <m_schnei> What is the incubator group?
Michael Schneider: What is the incubator group? ←
18:12:11 <Elisa> Ivan: the incubator group is finally looking at ways of mapping data to RDF
Ivan Herman: the incubator group is finally looking at ways of mapping data to RDF ←
18:12:27 <Elisa> this is relevant to this group is that they are interested in mapping relational
this is relevant to this group is that they are interested in mapping relational ←
18:12:39 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
18:12:39 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-owl-irc#T18-12-39
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-owl-irc#T18-12-39 ←
18:12:43 <Elisa> data to owl structures; if all goes as planned, it will be announced tomorrow
data to owl structures; if all goes as planned, it will be announced tomorrow ←
18:13:03 <Elisa> it will be announced on the home page as well; charter URL is not available yet
it will be announced on the home page as well; charter URL is not available yet ←
18:13:16 <hendler> q+ to say not obliquely
James Hendler: q+ to say not obliquely ←
18:13:26 <Elisa> Ian: this is something we would just want to keep an eye on, but not much to do now
Ian Horrocks: this is something we would just want to keep an eye on, but not much to do now ←
18:13:37 <IanH> Q?
Ian Horrocks: Q? ←
18:13:47 <m_schnei> no
Michael Schneider: no ←
18:13:48 <Elisa> Pending actions discussion
Pending actions discussion ←
18:13:54 <m_schnei> it is *not* me
Michael Schneider: it is *not* me ←
18:13:55 <sandro> ack m_schnei.a
Sandro Hawke: ack m_schnei.a ←
18:14:02 <sandro> ack hendler
Sandro Hawke: ack hendler ←
18:14:02 <Zakim> hendler, you wanted to say not obliquely
Zakim IRC Bot: hendler, you wanted to say not obliquely ←
18:14:20 <pfps_> q+
18:14:23 <jeremy> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
18:14:25 <Elisa> Jim: just wanted to say that the incubator group is directly related to the discussion on fragments
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Unknown Jim: just wanted to say that the incubator group is directly related to the discussion on fragments ←
18:14:26 <pfps_> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
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18:14:38 <Elisa> related to SQL queries, so we need to pay close attention to this
related to SQL queries, so we need to pay close attention to this ←
18:14:40 <pfps_> q-
18:14:56 <Elisa> we should make sure that the coordination group makes sure that we don't work at cross purposes
we should make sure that the coordination group makes sure that we don't work at cross purposes ←
18:15:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:15:49 <Elisa> Ian: so should we consider nominating someone to coordinate with this group?
Ian Horrocks: so should we consider nominating someone to coordinate with this group? ←
18:16:01 <Elisa> Ivan: I propose we should wait a week and look at the charter first
Ivan Herman: I propose we should wait a week and look at the charter first ←
18:16:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:12 <Elisa> Note that the chair is from oracle
Note that the chair is from oracle ←
18:16:19 <Elisa> Pending review actions
Pending review actions ←
18:16:26 <ewallace> q+
Evan Wallace: q+ ←
18:16:43 <Elisa> Ian: there was agreement that Boris would update the spec to address issue-95
Ian Horrocks: there was agreement that Boris would update the spec to address ISSUE-95 ←
18:16:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:49 <Elisa> any objection?
any objection? ←
18:17:04 <Elisa> Evan: I brought up in email that figure 5 does not completely reflect the change
Evan Wallace: I brought up in email that figure 5 does not completely reflect the change ←
18:17:16 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:17:18 <Elisa> Ian: is that the only problem, that figure 5 needs fixing?
Ian Horrocks: is that the only problem, that figure 5 needs fixing? ←
18:17:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:17:28 <IanH> ack ewallace
Ian Horrocks: ack ewallace ←
18:17:36 <Elisa> Evan: I didn't particularly like the resolution either, but given the resolution, yes
Evan Wallace: I didn't particularly like the resolution either, but given the resolution, yes ←
18:17:45 <Elisa> Boris: what's wrong with the figure?
Boris Motik: what's wrong with the figure? ←
18:18:04 <pfps_> figure 5 is also wrong for me
Peter Patel-Schneider: figure 5 is also wrong for me ←
18:18:05 <Elisa> Evan: it should point to a datatype rather than DataRange
Evan Wallace: it should point to a datatype rather than DataRange ←
18:18:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:12 <JeffP> URL?
18:18:24 <Elisa> Boris: it's been corrected - you might need to refresh your cache
Boris Motik: it's been corrected - you might need to refresh your cache ←
18:18:24 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:18:29 <pfps_> but refreshing fixes it
Peter Patel-Schneider: but refreshing fixes it ←
18:18:29 <uli> fig 5 on http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax
Uli Sattler: fig 5 on http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax ←
18:18:31 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:18:31 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
18:18:36 <Elisa> Ian: Peter also says this is aproblem for him
Ian Horrocks: Peter also says this is aproblem for him ←
18:18:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:19:01 <Elisa> Michael: what about the other document, the semantics and RDF mapping ... which is a little bit confusing
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Unknown Michael: what about the other document, the semantics and RDF mapping ... which is a little bit confusing ←
18:19:16 <Elisa> Ian: are you asking about interactions with other documents?
Ian Horrocks: are you asking about interactions with other documents? ←
18:19:32 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:19:32 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
18:19:33 <Elisa> Michael: yes, interactions between the syntax document and other documents on this issue
Scribe problem: the name 'Michael' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michael Sintek . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Michael: yes, interactions between the syntax document and other documents on this issue ←
18:19:37 <JeffP> uli, thanks!
18:19:46 <Elisa> Boris: I need to check the documents
Boris Motik: I need to check the documents ←
18:20:21 <Elisa> Ian: we may not be able to resolve these issues with issue 95, thus it may need revisiting next week
Ian Horrocks: we may not be able to resolve these issues with ISSUE-95, thus it may need revisiting next week ←
18:20:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:20:42 <Elisa> Boris: I don't think the other documents need to change, but perhaps other people have other opinions
Boris Motik: I don't think the other documents need to change, but perhaps other people have other opinions ←
18:20:57 <Elisa> Ian: perhaps we should come back to this next week for a definitive answer
Ian Horrocks: perhaps we should come back to this next week for a definitive answer ←
18:20:57 <pfps_> semantics has to change, but only very little
Peter Patel-Schneider: semantics has to change, but only very little ←
18:21:28 <Elisa> Ian: Let's leave this as pending and revisit it next week
Ian Horrocks: Let's leave this as pending and revisit it next week ←
18:21:32 <Elisa> Boris: ok
Boris Motik: ok ←
18:21:48 <ewallace> After refreshing I do see the change in Figure 5!
Evan Wallace: After refreshing I do see the change in Figure 5! ←
18:21:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:22:03 <m_schnei> no
Michael Schneider: no ←
18:22:03 <Elisa> Ian: Action 87, which alan has completed ... are we happy with what alan has written there?
Ian Horrocks: ACTION-87, which alan has completed ... are we happy with what alan has written there? ←
18:22:05 <m_schnei> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
18:22:27 <Elisa> Ian: Action 87: Complete
Ian Horrocks: ACTION-87: Complete ←
18:22:31 <pfps_> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:22:31 <Zakim> pfps_ was not muted, pfps_
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ was not muted, pfps_ ←
18:22:35 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:22:45 <m_schnei> +1 to peter's mail
Michael Schneider: +1 to peter's mail ←
18:22:50 <pfps_> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:22:50 <Zakim> pfps_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ should now be muted ←
18:22:54 <jeremy> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
18:23:01 <Elisa> Ian: Action 92: Peter to write up his understanding of ISSUE-68
Ian Horrocks: ACTION-92: Peter to write up his understanding of ISSUE-68 ←
18:23:11 <Elisa> ACTION 92: complete
18:23:29 <Elisa> Action 72, Action 79 postponed
ACTION-72, ACTION-79 postponed ←
18:23:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:24:11 <Elisa> Action 90 - Jeremy, pending, will try to get it done for next week
ACTION-90 - Jeremy, pending, will try to get it done for next week ←
18:24:31 <Elisa> Action 42, Bijan - postponed
ACTION-42, Bijan - postponed ←
18:24:38 <jeremy> ditto
Jeremy Carroll: ditto ←
18:24:44 <uli> Bijan said he was working on it
Uli Sattler: Bijan said he was working on it ←
18:24:47 <Elisa> Action 86, Jeremy - pending for next week
ACTION-86, Jeremy - pending for next week ←
18:25:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:25 <jeremy> jeremy; a lot of HP work on at the moment, should ease off at easter
Jeremy Carroll: jeremy; a lot of HP work on at the moment, should ease off at easter ←
18:25:26 <Elisa> Ian: Publication schedule, issue from Boris regarding updating public working drafts, which docs we might want to publish
Ian Horrocks: Publication schedule, issue from Boris regarding updating public working drafts, which docs we might want to publish ←
18:25:47 <Elisa> would we want to update the current working drafts or potentially publish other documents
would we want to update the current working drafts or potentially publish other documents ←
18:25:57 <pfps_> +1 to boris's proposal :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to boris's proposal :-) ←
18:26:03 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:26:05 <jeremy> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
18:26:06 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:26:12 <Elisa> Boris proposes that at least the current 3 docs that are working drafts should be updated
Boris proposes that at least the current 3 docs that are working drafts should be updated ←
18:26:39 <Elisa> Sandro: the motivation doesn't make sense to me; we can make snapshots for the working group, but the reason to publish
Sandro Hawke: the motivation doesn't make sense to me; we can make snapshots for the working group, but the reason to publish ←
18:26:52 <pfps_> q+
18:26:54 <Elisa> new working drafts is to get feedback from outside the working group
new working drafts is to get feedback from outside the working group ←
18:27:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:27:09 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:27:10 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
18:27:12 <pfps_> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:27:12 <Zakim> pfps_ should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ should no longer be muted ←
18:27:14 <Elisa> Ian: this is a good point, have the docs changed sufficiently that we would want outside feedback
Ian Horrocks: this is a good point, have the docs changed sufficiently that we would want outside feedback ←
18:27:21 <jeremy> ack jeremy
Jeremy Carroll: ack jeremy ←
18:27:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:27:58 <sandro> heatbeat deadline is April 8th
Sandro Hawke: heatbeat deadline is April 8th ←
18:28:10 <Elisa> Jeremy: I think that it is good to show that we're aligned, if we are
Jeremy Carroll: I think that it is good to show that we're aligned, if we are ←
18:28:41 <Elisa> Sandro: the work in making another working draft is to publish a note to the public that there is another working draft, and then to publish it
Sandro Hawke: the work in making another working draft is to publish a note to the public that there is another working draft, and then to publish it ←
18:28:54 <Elisa> If there are changes worth sharing, then sure, let's republish
If there are changes worth sharing, then sure, let's republish ←
18:28:59 <pfps_> q-
18:29:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:29:27 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:29:29 <Elisa> Ian: several people mentioned publishing the XML syntax, two things to discuss - A, are the changes sufficient to publish new versions
Ian Horrocks: several people mentioned publishing the XML syntax, two things to discuss - A, are the changes sufficient to publish new versions ←
18:29:42 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:29:43 <Elisa> and B should we consider publishing additional documents
and B should we consider publishing additional documents ←
18:29:49 <jeremy> q+ tp bring up grddl
Jeremy Carroll: q+ tp bring up grddl ←
18:30:00 <Elisa> Boris: I think it would be good to show that we are aligned and something has changed
Boris Motik: I think it would be good to show that we are aligned and something has changed ←
18:30:01 <jeremy> q+ tp mention grddl
Jeremy Carroll: q+ tp mention grddl ←
18:30:12 <jeremy> q+ to bring up grddl
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to bring up grddl ←
18:30:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:30:30 <Elisa> I also think we have fixed quite a few bugs, and coming up with a list of the issues we've fixed might also be good
I also think we have fixed quite a few bugs, and coming up with a list of the issues we've fixed might also be good ←
18:30:31 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:30:35 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:30:49 <Elisa> We should consider the XML syntax and also the RDF mapping
We should consider the XML syntax and also the RDF mapping ←
18:31:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:31:14 <Elisa> Boris: the other document we should publish is the XML syntax, if we can achieve resolution on the fragments then
Boris Motik: the other document we should publish is the XML syntax, if we can achieve resolution on the fragments then ←
18:31:19 <Elisa> we should consider that as well
we should consider that as well ←
18:31:22 <DougL> Zakim, you never fail to remind us to be humble in our claims and expectations about how close we are to semantic understanding in our software.
Doug Lenat: Zakim, you never fail to remind us to be humble in our claims and expectations about how close we are to semantic understanding in our software. ←
18:31:22 <Zakim> I don't understand you, DougL
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand you, DougL ←
18:31:31 <Elisa> Ian: I don't think that the fragments are ready yet
Ian Horrocks: I don't think that the fragments are ready yet ←
18:31:53 <DougL> Exactly.
Doug Lenat: Exactly. ←
18:32:20 <Elisa> Jeremy: I'm in principle in favor of publishing the XML syntax, we should add having a GRIDDL profile to the issue list
Jeremy Carroll: I'm in principle in favor of publishing the XML syntax, we should add having a GRIDDL profile to the issue list ←
18:32:29 <Elisa> Ian: yes I think that's appropriate
Ian Horrocks: yes I think that's appropriate ←
18:32:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:32:36 <Elisa> Jeremy: ok, I'll do that
Jeremy Carroll: ok, I'll do that ←
18:32:44 <jeremy> ack jeremy
Jeremy Carroll: ack jeremy ←
18:32:44 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to bring up grddl
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to bring up grddl ←
18:32:54 <jeremy> zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me ←
18:32:54 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:33:22 <Elisa> Ian: nobody else expressed anything about the other working drafts ... don't know whether that speaks for or against republishing
Ian Horrocks: nobody else expressed anything about the other working drafts ... don't know whether that speaks for or against republishing ←
18:33:27 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:33:44 <Elisa> Perhaps if we publish both the documents and a list of the issues that have been addressed / changed / fixed would be useful
Perhaps if we publish both the documents and a list of the issues that have been addressed / changed / fixed would be useful ←
18:33:46 <jeremy> -0
Jeremy Carroll: -0 ←
18:33:56 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Should we re-publish new version of three already-published documents
STRAWPOLL: Should we re-publish new version of three already-published documents ←
18:34:01 <Elisa> Straw pole on whether we should publish new ones, perhaps we should do this doc by doc
Straw pole on whether we should publish new ones, perhaps we should do this doc by doc ←
18:34:08 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Syntax?
STRAWPOLL: Syntax? ←
18:34:09 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:34:10 <hendler> +0
James Hendler: +0 ←
18:34:10 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:34:10 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
18:34:10 <pfps_> +1 to re-publish
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to re-publish ←
18:34:11 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
18:34:12 <m_schnei> -0
Michael Schneider: -0 ←
18:34:13 <MarkusK> +0
Markus Krötzsch: +0 ←
18:34:14 <Elisa> who thinks the structural syntax has changed enough
who thinks the structural syntax has changed enough ←
18:34:14 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:34:15 <jeremy> -0
Jeremy Carroll: -0 ←
18:34:15 <DougL> 0
Doug Lenat: 0 ←
18:34:16 <Zhe> 0
18:34:16 <JeffP> 0
18:34:18 <bcuencagrau> +1
18:34:20 <Elisa> +1
+1 ←
18:34:22 <Carsten> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: +1 ←
18:34:34 <Elisa> ok so generally positive on structural syntad
ok so generally positive on structural syntad ←
18:34:37 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Semantics?
STRAWPOLL: Semantics? ←
18:34:41 <Elisa> same question on semantics document
same question on semantics document ←
18:35:09 <hendler> -0
James Hendler: -0 ←
18:35:12 <ivan> -0
Ivan Herman: -0 ←
18:35:21 <m_schnei> -0
Michael Schneider: -0 ←
18:35:25 <pfps_> +1
18:35:30 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:35:31 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:35:32 <jeremy> -0
Jeremy Carroll: -0 ←
18:35:34 <Elisa> 0
0 ←
18:35:37 <Zhe> 0
18:35:40 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
18:35:40 <DougL> 0
Doug Lenat: 0 ←
18:35:50 <Elisa> Ian: do we need a formal resolution to publish?
Ian Horrocks: do we need a formal resolution to publish? ←
18:35:59 <jeremy> zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, unmute me ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
18:36:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:36:05 <Elisa> Sandro: yes, with regard to publishing, we should
Sandro Hawke: yes, with regard to publishing, we should ←
18:36:06 <pfps_> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:36:06 <Zakim> pfps_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ should now be muted ←
18:36:08 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:36:08 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:36:30 <Elisa> Jeremy: I feel that we should have addressed 1 or 2 of the harder issues before republishing
Jeremy Carroll: I feel that we should have addressed 1 or 2 of the harder issues before republishing ←
18:36:31 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:36:35 <hendler> q+
James Hendler: q+ ←
18:36:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:36:55 <sandro> Jeremy: I'd like us to have done one or two of the harder issues before republishing -- especially given Jim's point about lack of interest in the previous draft. I wouldn't oppose publishing, but I'm not convinced it's worth the effort.
Jeremy Carroll: I'd like us to have done one or two of the harder issues before republishing -- especially given Jim's point about lack of interest in the previous draft. I wouldn't oppose publishing, but I'm not convinced it's worth the effort. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:36:56 <Elisa> We've done quite a bit of cleaning up, but something new would be more interesting -- I'm not convinced that it's work the effort
We've done quite a bit of cleaning up, but something new would be more interesting -- I'm not convinced that it's work the effort ←
18:36:58 <IanH> ack hendler
Ian Horrocks: ack hendler ←
18:37:02 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:37:06 <sandro> Jim: My real fear is exausting people.
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Unknown Jim: My real fear is exausting people. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:37:24 <sandro> Jim: ... ie crying wolf.
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Unknown Jim: ... ie crying wolf. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:37:26 <jeremy> jeremy: i would concur
Jeremy Carroll: i would concur [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:37:34 <Elisa> Jim: my real fear is of exhausting people - if we republish for minor issues, people won't really look when we rerelease for major issues
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Unknown Jim: my real fear is of exhausting people - if we republish for minor issues, people won't really look when we rerelease for major issues ←
18:37:36 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:37:51 <jeremy> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
18:37:55 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:38:06 <Elisa> we run the risk of getting to CR and having people raise more difficult issues
we run the risk of getting to CR and having people raise more difficult issues ←
18:38:26 <Elisa> Sandro: if we publish with a list of the things we've addressed, and then ask for feedback does that make sense
Sandro Hawke: if we publish with a list of the things we've addressed, and then ask for feedback does that make sense ←
18:38:35 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:04 <Elisa> Jim: my sense is that people don't read the status section, and I would prefer we fix some more substantive issues before publication
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Unknown Jim: my sense is that people don't read the status section, and I would prefer we fix some more substantive issues before publication ←
18:39:18 <Elisa> Jeremy: we can meet the heartbeat status by publishing other documents
Jeremy Carroll: we can meet the heartbeat status by publishing other documents ←
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18:39:24 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:28 <sandro> q+ to ask if we should republish all when we republish any?
Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask if we should republish all when we republish any? ←
18:39:32 <sandro> ack jeremy
Sandro Hawke: ack jeremy ←
18:39:45 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
18:40:03 <sandro> Ian: Okay, let's try to resolve another issue or two
Ian Horrocks: Okay, let's try to resolve another issue or two [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:40:10 <Elisa> Perhaps we should see if we can resolve a few more of these issues before publishing,
Perhaps we should see if we can resolve a few more of these issues before publishing, ←
18:40:13 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Semantics -- republish?
STRAWPOLL: Semantics -- republish? ←
18:40:20 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:40:20 <ewallace> -0
Evan Wallace: -0 ←
18:40:21 <ivan> -0
Ivan Herman: -0 ←
18:40:23 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:40:24 <Zhe> 0
18:40:24 <JeffP> 0
18:40:26 <hendler> -.000000001
James Hendler: -.000000001 ←
18:40:27 <MarkusK> +0
Markus Krötzsch: +0 ←
18:40:28 <m_schnei> -0
Michael Schneider: -0 ←
18:40:31 <bcuencagrau> 0
18:40:31 <uli> +0
Uli Sattler: +0 ←
18:40:32 <jeremy> -0
Jeremy Carroll: -0 ←
18:40:55 <Elisa> Ian: so not very strong support for that, how about the RDF mapping document
Ian Horrocks: so not very strong support for that, how about the RDF mapping document ←
18:40:58 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: republish RDF Mapping?
STRAWPOLL: republish RDF Mapping? ←
18:41:00 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:41:03 <hendler> -0
James Hendler: -0 ←
18:41:03 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
18:41:06 <Zhe> 0
18:41:06 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:41:07 <MarkusK> +0
Markus Krötzsch: +0 ←
18:41:09 <m_schnei> -0
Michael Schneider: -0 ←
18:41:11 <JeffP> 0
18:41:12 <ivan> -1
Ivan Herman: -1 ←
18:41:15 <bcuencagrau> 0
18:41:42 <ewallace> and the Primer
Evan Wallace: and the Primer ←
18:41:45 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:41:52 <Elisa> Ian: so similarly, not tremendously strong support for that, so the other issue is whether or not to go forward with any of the other documents, modulo resolving the GRDDL issue
Ian Horrocks: so similarly, not tremendously strong support for that, so the other issue is whether or not to go forward with any of the other documents, modulo resolving the GRDDL issue ←
18:41:59 <Elisa> with the XML syntax document,
with the XML syntax document, ←
18:42:05 <IanH> STRAWPOLL: XML syntax to FPWD
STRAWPOLL: XML syntax to FPWD ←
18:42:07 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:42:09 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:42:11 <bcuencagrau> +1
18:42:13 <Elisa> how many feel we should publish that
how many feel we should publish that ←
18:42:15 <hendler> -0 without GRDDL, +1 with
James Hendler: -0 without GRDDL, +1 with ←
18:42:18 <Zakim> +pfps_
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps_ ←
18:42:19 <jeremy> i don't think we need resolve grddl issue before pub
Jeremy Carroll: i don't think we need resolve grddl issue before pub ←
18:42:19 <Zhe> +0
18:42:19 <MarkusK> +0
Markus Krötzsch: +0 ←
18:42:19 <m_schnei> -1 until I have done my homework
Michael Schneider: -1 until I have done my homework ←
18:42:21 <ivan> 1
Ivan Herman: 1 ←
18:42:21 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
18:42:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:42:24 <JeffP> 0
18:42:27 <Achille> 0 : I have not followed the changes made there
Achille Fokoue: 0 : I have not followed the changes made there ←
18:42:27 <jeremy> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
18:42:31 <DougL> 0
Doug Lenat: 0 ←
18:42:32 <pfps_> +1 to publish
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to publish ←
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18:42:54 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
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18:42:57 <Elisa> Michael: need time to read this document before I say anything about it
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Unknown Michael: need time to read this document before I say anything about it ←
18:43:02 <jeremy> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
18:43:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:43:09 <ivan> ack m_schnei
Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei ←
18:43:11 <m_schnei> :-)
Michael Schneider: :-) ←
18:43:11 <Elisa> Ian: it has been on the wiki since the working group started ...
Ian Horrocks: it has been on the wiki since the working group started ... ←
18:43:22 <bmotik> zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: zakim, mute me ←
18:43:22 <Zakim> bmotik was already muted, bmotik
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18:43:30 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
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18:43:51 <m_schnei> there is a strong echo in the line
Michael Schneider: there is a strong echo in the line ←
18:43:52 <pfps_> zakim, who is talking?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is talking? ←
18:43:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:44:03 <Zakim> pfps_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: IanH (24%), Sandro (40%)
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: IanH (24%), Sandro (40%) ←
18:44:05 <pfps_> zakim, mute me
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Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ should now be muted ←
18:44:14 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
18:44:25 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeremy (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeremy (5%) ←
18:44:27 <jeremy> ack jeremy
Jeremy Carroll: ack jeremy ←
18:44:40 <Elisa> Ian: we have homework to do, potential issues with respect to GRDDL, and then we can think about a potential proposal to publish
Ian Horrocks: we have homework to do, potential issues with respect to GRDDL, and then we can think about a potential proposal to publish ←
18:44:55 <Elisa> Topic: Proposal to Resolve
18:44:57 <m_schnei> +q
Michael Schneider: +q ←
18:45:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:45:14 <bmotik> I've already updated some of the documents
Boris Motik: I've already updated some of the documents ←
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18:45:19 <Elisa> Ian: this needs to be postponed to next week
Ian Horrocks: this needs to be postponed to next week ←
18:45:30 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
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Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
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18:46:11 <Elisa> Michael: ISSUE-95 is only about this compatibility table, it may make sense to close this and open another regarding datatype restrictions
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Unknown Michael: ISSUE-95 is only about this compatibility table, it may make sense to close this and open another regarding datatype restrictions ←
18:46:14 <m_schnei> yes
Michael Schneider: yes ←
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18:46:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:46:30 <IanH> ack m_schnei
Ian Horrocks: ack m_schnei ←
18:46:36 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:46:47 <Elisa> Boris: I actually think this is difficult to split, the table by itself is meaningless unless you say how you are applying it
Boris Motik: I actually think this is difficult to split, the table by itself is meaningless unless you say how you are applying it ←
18:47:04 <JeffP> +1
18:47:04 <Elisa> when I entered this issue, I thought these two things had to be considered together
when I entered this issue, I thought these two things had to be considered together ←
18:47:33 <Elisa> I do agree that we probably need something like named datatypes, but this issue is about fixing an error, modulo fixing the other docs
I do agree that we probably need something like named datatypes, but this issue is about fixing an error, modulo fixing the other docs ←
18:47:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:47:49 <Elisa> If there are other features we should discuss them separately, and limit scope
If there are other features we should discuss them separately, and limit scope ←
18:48:15 <m_schnei> agreed, it's probably better to leave 95 open for the moment
Michael Schneider: agreed, it's probably better to leave 95 open for the moment ←
18:48:28 <Elisa> Ian: we should try to keep issues fairly scoped; there are a few details that you didn't get to, but hopefully they will be resolved by next week
Ian Horrocks: we should try to keep issues fairly scoped; there are a few details that you didn't get to, but hopefully they will be resolved by next week ←
18:48:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:48:39 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
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18:48:50 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:48:50 <bmotik> q-
Boris Motik: q- ←
18:48:58 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
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18:49:17 <Elisa> Ian: Next issue is OWL 1.1 Full
Ian Horrocks: Next issue is OWL 1.1 Full ←
18:49:28 <jeremy> yes
Jeremy Carroll: yes ←
18:49:40 <Elisa> Some of the issues related to OWL 1.1 Full are some of these difficult issues to which Jeremy was alluding when we discussed publication
Some of the issues related to OWL 1.1 Full are some of these difficult issues to which Jeremy was alluding when we discussed publication ←
18:50:01 <Elisa> we need to figure out generally how we're going to go forward on OWL 1.1 FUll, who is going to address the semantics,
we need to figure out generally how we're going to go forward on OWL 1.1 FUll, who is going to address the semantics, ←
18:50:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:50:14 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:50:21 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:50:21 <Zakim> m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei
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18:50:22 <Elisa> are the semantics going to be completely new, who is going to do the work, anybody interested in doing the work
are the semantics going to be completely new, who is going to do the work, anybody interested in doing the work ←
18:51:05 <Elisa> Michael: I offer to expand the semantics to cover the new constructs ... I would need alot of people to look over what I do if I do it
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Unknown Michael: I offer to expand the semantics to cover the new constructs ... I would need alot of people to look over what I do if I do it ←
18:51:14 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:51:22 <IanH> ack m_schnei
Ian Horrocks: ack m_schnei ←
18:51:26 <Elisa> I could expand the semantics to include the new constructs as they are, but would need significant review
I could expand the semantics to include the new constructs as they are, but would need significant review ←
18:51:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:51:43 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
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18:51:51 <Elisa> Jeremy: I would offer to review / play a supportive role of the sort michael is asking for
Jeremy Carroll: I would offer to review / play a supportive role of the sort michael is asking for ←
18:52:02 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:52:08 <Elisa> Ian: is this the right way forward, or would we prefer to look for completely new semantics
Ian Horrocks: is this the right way forward, or would we prefer to look for completely new semantics ←
18:52:27 <Elisa> Jeremy: Bijan had a proposal for completely new semantics that I've lost track of, he's not on the call
Jeremy Carroll: Bijan had a proposal for completely new semantics that I've lost track of, he's not on the call ←
18:52:42 <Elisa> Ian: so what do you think about this Jeremy - about extending the existing semantics
Ian Horrocks: so what do you think about this Jeremy - about extending the existing semantics ←
18:53:11 <Elisa> Jeremy: to me this shouldn't be too difficult to extend the existing semantics ...we've hit an issue with the QCRs that needs to be addressed ...
Jeremy Carroll: to me this shouldn't be too difficult to extend the existing semantics ...we've hit an issue with the QCRs that needs to be addressed ... ←
18:53:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:53:24 <Elisa> the property change looks quite straightforward to me
the property change looks quite straightforward to me ←
18:53:47 <Elisa> the issues are going to be where it interacts with other things, such as reification
the issues are going to be where it interacts with other things, such as reification ←
18:54:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:27 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:54:32 <Elisa> Ian: quite alot of the other issues are not saying ... there is a known problem here ... we need to discover whether there really
Ian Horrocks: quite alot of the other issues are not saying ... there is a known problem here ... we need to discover whether there really ←
18:54:41 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap ←
18:54:41 <Elisa> is an issue here, and then figure out how to address it
is an issue here, and then figure out how to address it ←
18:54:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:51 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
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18:54:55 <ivan> ack m_schnei
Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei ←
18:54:58 <Elisa> We seem to have a way forward here
We seem to have a way forward here ←
18:55:24 <Elisa> Michael: I think the best would be to follow what ... has done a few weeks ago, a proposal for semantics with considerations
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Unknown Michael: I think the best would be to follow what ... has done a few weeks ago, a proposal for semantics with considerations ←
18:55:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:55:37 <Elisa> then we can look at what the problems are
then we can look at what the problems are ←
18:55:45 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
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18:56:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:04 <Elisa> Jeremy: we could go for a public working draft that is essential a diff -- here are the new bits, that will be
Jeremy Carroll: we could go for a public working draft that is essential a diff -- here are the new bits, that will be ←
18:56:13 <Elisa> converged with the older version eventually
converged with the older version eventually ←
18:56:27 <Elisa> Clearly by working draft 2 or 3 we would actually need to do the merge
Clearly by working draft 2 or 3 we would actually need to do the merge ←
18:56:46 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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18:56:53 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:54 <Elisa> Ian: we should have an action on Michael to do this ... Michael, how long do you need for this ...
Ian Horrocks: we should have an action on Michael to do this ... Michael, how long do you need for this ... ←
18:57:23 <Elisa> Michael: since I have already done some preliminary work, we could have the start of a wiki for F2F2
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Unknown Michael: since I have already done some preliminary work, we could have the start of a wiki for F2F2 ←
18:57:53 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:57:57 <Elisa> A wiki version, which has language constructs and related semantics and considerations for F2F2, not a full draft, which will take a lot of writing
A wiki version, which has language constructs and related semantics and considerations for F2F2, not a full draft, which will take a lot of writing ←
18:58:36 <Elisa> ACTION: Michael will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting
ACTION: Michael will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting ←
18:58:36 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Michael
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18:58:39 <IanH> q?
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18:59:13 <Elisa> ACTION Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting
ACTION Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting ←
18:59:19 <IanH> q?
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18:59:31 <sandro> Elisa, it's "ACTION: name to ..."
Sandro Hawke: Elisa, it's "ACTION: name to ..." ←
18:59:52 <sandro> (you left out the colon the second time.)
Sandro Hawke: (you left out the colon the second time.) ←
19:00:02 <Carsten> I very much agree!! Alas, I have to go. bye.
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Unknown Carsten: I very much agree!! Alas, I have to go. bye. ←
19:00:02 <sandro> ACTION: Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting
ACTION: Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting ←
19:00:02 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-93 - Will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-03-05].
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19:00:03 <Elisa> ACTION: Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting
ACTION: Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting ←
19:00:04 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-94 - Will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-03-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-94 - Will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-03-05]. ←
19:00:16 <sandro> d'poh. I'll drop action 94
Sandro Hawke: d'poh. I'll drop ACTION-94 ←
19:00:18 <IanH> q?
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19:00:25 <IanH> q?
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19:00:26 <m_schnei> q+
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19:00:34 <ivan> ack m_schnei
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19:00:35 <IanH> q?
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19:00:45 <Zakim> -Carsten
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19:01:33 <IanH> q?
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19:01:38 <Elisa> Michael: it's a layered architecture, might use a rule-based semantics, taking the lead from the semantics for RDFS
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Unknown Michael: it's a layered architecture, might use a rule-based semantics, taking the lead from the semantics for RDFS ←
19:02:14 <jeremy> q+
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19:02:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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19:02:26 <Elisa> could specify this with a rule-based semantics - I think this fragment would be a good place to start
could specify this with a rule-based semantics - I think this fragment would be a good place to start ←
19:02:45 <Elisa> Jeremy: is the proposal that we should define OWL prime fragment by a set of rules that would
Jeremy Carroll: is the proposal that we should define OWL prime fragment by a set of rules that would ←
19:03:04 <Elisa> give aminimum level of entailment
give aminimum level of entailment ←
19:03:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:03:47 <Elisa> Ian: this is something that isn't completely clear in the email on this fragments thread
Ian Horrocks: this is something that isn't completely clear in the email on this fragments thread ←
19:03:50 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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19:03:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:03:59 <IanH> ack jeremy
Ian Horrocks: ack jeremy ←
19:04:02 <jeremy> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
19:04:09 <Elisa> Michael: completeness stuff I'm planning to address in email
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Unknown Michael: completeness stuff I'm planning to address in email ←
19:04:13 <hendler> q+
James Hendler: q+ ←
19:04:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:04:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:04:23 <Elisa> Jeremy: and also what we mean by completeness
Jeremy Carroll: and also what we mean by completeness ←
19:04:36 <Elisa> Michael: there are a few things to consider, I will respond in email
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Unknown Michael: there are a few things to consider, I will respond in email ←
19:04:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:04:46 <ivan> ack hendler
Ivan Herman: ack hendler ←
19:04:46 <Elisa> Ian: this is a complex issue, so we should wait for follow up in email
Ian Horrocks: this is a complex issue, so we should wait for follow up in email ←
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19:05:16 <Elisa> Jim: there is a thread that has gone off into PD* completeness that started with a thread on OWL Full completeness ...
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Unknown Jim: there is a thread that has gone off into PD* completeness that started with a thread on OWL Full completeness ... ←
19:05:26 <Elisa> are these two divergent threads
are these two divergent threads ←
19:05:30 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
19:05:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:05:34 <Elisa> Owl prime completeness not owl full
Owl prime completeness not owl full ←
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19:05:37 <ivan> ack m_schnei
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19:05:52 <Elisa> Michael: the problem is that owl prime is a moving target
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Unknown Michael: the problem is that owl prime is a moving target ←
19:06:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:06:09 <Elisa> I think it has the possibility to converge
I think it has the possibility to converge ←
19:06:12 <ivan> q+
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19:06:17 <Zakim> -jeremy
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19:06:18 <Elisa> Jim: ok then I'll wait to see what happens
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Unknown Jim: ok then I'll wait to see what happens ←
19:06:29 <Zhe> q+
19:06:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:06:38 <Elisa> Ian: it will help alot to have the extended owl full semantics, which is significant progress
Ian Horrocks: it will help alot to have the extended owl full semantics, which is significant progress ←
19:06:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:07:03 <jeremy> zakim, jjc is jeremy
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19:07:03 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it
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19:07:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:07:35 <m_schnei> q+
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19:07:39 <Elisa> Ivan: the PD* and owl prime were all rule-based features in OWL 1.0, but when we look at the features to be added in OWL 1.1, there may be things worth investigating
Ivan Herman: the PD* and owl prime were all rule-based features in OWL 1.0, but when we look at the features to be added in OWL 1.1, there may be things worth investigating ←
19:07:42 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
19:07:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:07:50 <ivan> ack Zhe
Ivan Herman: ack Zhe ←
19:08:06 <Elisa> Zhe: to Michael's comments, if he can come up with a set of rules for OWL full I will be happy to review them, then
Zhe Wu: to Michael's comments, if he can come up with a set of rules for OWL full I will be happy to review them, then ←
19:08:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:08:14 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
19:08:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), DougL, Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), DougL, Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei (muted), ←
19:08:18 <Zakim> ... Achille, Zhe, bcuencagrau (muted), pfps_ (muted), jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Achille, Zhe, bcuencagrau (muted), pfps_ (muted), jeremy ←
19:08:18 <ivan> ack m_schnei
Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei ←
19:08:20 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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19:08:20 <Zakim> m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei
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19:08:21 <Elisa> with respect to OWL 1.1, I think the property chains can be addressed with a few rules
with respect to OWL 1.1, I think the property chains can be addressed with a few rules ←
19:08:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:08:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:08:59 <Elisa> Michael: I think we have in mind OWL 1.1 features ... the question was where we don't have to do too much ourselves using the PD* paper
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Unknown Michael: I think we have in mind OWL 1.1 features ... the question was where we don't have to do too much ourselves using the PD* paper ←
19:09:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:09:22 <Elisa> going to OWL 1.1 features, we will have to address this ourselves, esp. wrt completeness
going to OWL 1.1 features, we will have to address this ourselves, esp. wrt completeness ←
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19:09:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:09:35 <IanH> ack jeremy
Ian Horrocks: ack jeremy ←
19:09:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:09:54 <Elisa> Jeremy: I think the PD* design has some fairly clear principles, which can guide what should be included and what can't be
Jeremy Carroll: I think the PD* design has some fairly clear principles, which can guide what should be included and what can't be ←
19:09:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:10:12 <sandro> Present: bmotik, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, uli, Ivan, MartinD, DougL, Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei, Achille, Zhe, bcuencagrau, pfps_, jeremy
19:10:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:10:20 <Elisa> we could use these design principles to extend OWL prime as a result
we could use these design principles to extend OWL prime as a result ←
19:10:26 <m_schnei> of course, OWL-11 features have not been asked for yet for OWL-Prime
Michael Schneider: of course, OWL-11 features have not been asked for yet for OWL-Prime ←
19:10:50 <Elisa> Ian: the main object of this discussion was to make progress on OWL Full semantics, which we have
Ian Horrocks: the main object of this discussion was to make progress on OWL Full semantics, which we have ←
19:10:59 <Elisa> Topic: Issue Discussions
19:11:01 <pfps_> I wonder what most the important perceived pD* features are
Peter Patel-Schneider: I wonder what most the important perceived pD* features are ←
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19:11:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:11:33 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
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19:11:36 <Elisa> Ian: Issue 3 - anonymous individuals ... there has been some traffic on this over the last few weeks ... are we any closer
Ian Horrocks: ISSUE-3 - anonymous individuals ... there has been some traffic on this over the last few weeks ... are we any closer ←
19:11:40 <Elisa> to a resolution on this?
to a resolution on this? ←
19:12:08 <hendler> I wonder where the decision to use pd* as the formalism for OWL Prime occured
James Hendler: I wonder where the decision to use pd* as the formalism for OWL Prime occured ←
19:12:17 <Elisa> Boris: the last time there was a question as to whether it would make sense to have anonymous individuals as skolems
Boris Motik: the last time there was a question as to whether it would make sense to have anonymous individuals as skolems ←
19:12:30 <jeremy> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
19:12:32 <uli> +1 to Boris
Uli Sattler: +1 to Boris ←
19:12:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:12:35 <ivan> ack bmotik
Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←
19:12:36 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
19:12:36 <pfps_> +1 to Boris
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to Boris ←
19:12:40 <Elisa> in the end we don't know what the semantics of owl full are, so I don't see that we are losing anything by that
in the end we don't know what the semantics of owl full are, so I don't see that we are losing anything by that ←
19:12:44 <bcuencagrau> +1 to Boris
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1 to Boris ←
19:12:48 <ivan> ack jeremy
Ivan Herman: ack jeremy ←
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19:12:51 <Zakim> jeremy was not muted, jeremy
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19:12:55 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:13:09 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
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19:13:22 <m_schnei> jim, OWL-Prime and pD* have been discussed several times together in the past. This is why I found about pD* at all
Michael Schneider: jim, OWL-Prime and pD* have been discussed several times together in the past. This is why I found about pD* at all ←
19:13:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:13:36 <Elisa> Jeremy: so, I think it depends what we mean by compatibility, from one point of view it would be backwards compatibility and another the forward view
Jeremy Carroll: so, I think it depends what we mean by compatibility, from one point of view it would be backwards compatibility and another the forward view ←
19:13:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:13:45 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
19:13:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:13:49 <Elisa> It would allow us to deal with more graphs
It would allow us to deal with more graphs ←
19:14:03 <hendler> mike: I've seen that, but it's one of several things under discussion as best I can tell
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Unknown mike: I've seen that, but it's one of several things under discussion as best I can tell [ Scribe Assist by James Hendler ] ←
19:14:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:14:08 <Elisa> Ian: pragmatically it wouldn't be any different since people are doing this in practice
Ian Horrocks: pragmatically it wouldn't be any different since people are doing this in practice ←
19:14:11 <ivan> ack bmotik
Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←
19:14:17 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:14:31 <Elisa> Boris: pragmatically this would bring the spec in line with implementations in OWL DL
Boris Motik: pragmatically this would bring the spec in line with implementations in OWL DL ←
19:14:52 <Elisa> I see this as an improvement rather than a disadvantage in OWL DL
I see this as an improvement rather than a disadvantage in OWL DL ←
19:15:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:15:25 <Elisa> we don't know whether OWL Full model theory is satisfiable, so we are being forced into thinking about this for the sake of some phantom compatibility issue
we don't know whether OWL Full model theory is satisfiable, so we are being forced into thinking about this for the sake of some phantom compatibility issue ←
19:15:33 <uli> ack uli
Uli Sattler: ack uli ←
19:15:35 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:15:36 <ivan> ack uli
Ivan Herman: ack uli ←
19:15:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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19:16:01 <Elisa> Uli: I just wanted to make similar points - it would indeed cover more realistically what people have implemented and expect as answers
Uli Sattler: I just wanted to make similar points - it would indeed cover more realistically what people have implemented and expect as answers ←
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