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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 14 November 2007

Present
Unknown Carsten, Conrad Bock, Alan Ruttenberg, Sandro Hawke, Bijan Parsia, Michael Smith, Peter Patel-Schneider, Doug Lenat, Evan Wallace, Martin Dzbor, Unknown jjc, Ratnesh Sahay
Scribe
Conrad Bock, Alan Ruttenberg
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Close issues 6,7,27,33,37 based on Peter's changes. link
Topics

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17:55:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc

17:55:55 <jjc2> wrong bijan: *I* say something

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc2: wrong bijan: *I* say something

17:56:22 <bijan> see?

Bijan Parsia: see?

17:56:43 <jjc2> This dodgy connection problem again ...

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc2: This dodgy connection problem again ...

17:56:55 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:56:55 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, I don't know what conference this is

17:57:07 <Conrad> ScribeNick:Conrad

(Scribe set to Conrad Bock)

17:57:24 <jjc2> Zakim, this is SW_OWL

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc2: Zakim, this is SW_OWL

17:57:24 <Zakim> ok, jjc2; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, jjc2; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM

17:57:39 <jjc2> Zakim, mute bijan

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc2: Zakim, mute bijan

17:57:39 <Zakim> sorry, jjc2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jjc2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to bijan

17:57:47 <alanr> trackbot help

Alan Ruttenberg: trackbot help

17:57:48 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, who's on the call?

17:57:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, ??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, ??P19

17:57:51 <alanr> akim help

Alan Ruttenberg: akim help

17:57:54 <alanr> zakim help

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim help

17:58:01 <jjc> Zakim, ??P19 is bijan

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, ??P19 is bijan

17:58:01 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it

17:58:04 <alanr> zakim, this is owl

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, this is owl

17:58:04 <Zakim> alanr, this was already SW_OWL()12:00PM

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, this was already SW_OWL()12:00PM

17:58:05 <Zakim> ok, alanr; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, alanr; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM

17:58:07 <bijan> zakim, this is owl

Bijan Parsia: zakim, this is owl

17:58:07 <Zakim> bijan, this was already SW_OWL()12:00PM

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, this was already SW_OWL()12:00PM

17:58:08 <Zakim> ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM

17:58:25 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:58:25 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:58:27 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:58:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted)

17:58:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, jjc2, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc, jjc2, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

17:58:34 <bijan> can anyone here me?

Bijan Parsia: can anyone here me?

17:59:07 <Zakim> +MikeSmith_

Zakim IRC Bot: +MikeSmith_

17:59:11 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

17:59:13 <bijan> Carsten, is uli calling it with you?

Bijan Parsia: Carsten, is uli calling it with you?

17:59:22 <pfps> zakim, ??P27 is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??P27 is me

17:59:22 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it

17:59:23 <Zakim> +Doug

Zakim IRC Bot: +Doug

17:59:24 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

17:59:51 <Ratnesh> ratnesh from DERI

Ratnesh Sahay: ratnesh from DERI

18:00:01 <Zakim> +??P35

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35

18:00:04 <MartinD> zakim, ??p35 is me

Martin Dzbor: zakim, ??p35 is me

18:00:04 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it

18:01:11 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:01:11 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:01:18 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

18:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD

18:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc2, Ratnesh, jjc, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc2, Ratnesh, jjc, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

18:02:25 <sandro> zakim, list attendees

Sandro Hawke: zakim, list attendees

18:02:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MikeSmith, MartinD

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MikeSmith, MartinD

18:02:26 <alanr> Action: Sandro will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow

ACTION: Sandro will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow

18:02:26 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-9 - Will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-9 - Will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-11-21].

18:02:35 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

18:02:46 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

18:02:55 <jjc> Zakim, ??P6 is me

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, ??P6 is me

18:03:06 <Zakim> +jjc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it

18:03:07 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

18:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, ??P34, jjc

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, ??P34, jjc

18:03:26 <jjc> Zakim, jjc is unknown

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, jjc is unknown

18:03:33 <jjc> Zakim, ??P34 is jjc

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, ??P34 is jjc

18:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, sandro, jjc2, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc, sandro, jjc2, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

18:03:41 <Zakim> +unknown; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +unknown; got it

18:03:46 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

18:03:47 <Zakim> +jjc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it

18:04:04 <jjc> Zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, mute me

18:04:14 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan (50%), Sandro (4%), jjc (15%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan (50%), Sandro (4%), jjc (15%)

18:04:16 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

18:04:18 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc should now be muted

18:04:22 <sandro> (the echo went away with jjc muted)

Sandro Hawke: (the echo went away with jjc muted)

18:04:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc (muted), unknown

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc (muted), unknown

18:04:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, sandro, jjc2, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc, sandro, jjc2, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

18:04:40 <Zakim> +Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten

18:05:09 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me

18:05:09 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted

18:05:11 <sandro> Ratnesh, type:   "Zakim, unknown is me"

Sandro Hawke: Ratnesh, type: "Zakim, unknown is me"

18:05:34 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer?

18:05:34 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-05-34

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-05-34

18:05:44 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:05:45 <Ratnesh> unknown is me

Ratnesh Sahay: unknown is me

18:05:51 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:05:51 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

18:05:59 <sandro> Ratnesh, you need need the leading "Zakim, "

Sandro Hawke: Ratnesh, you need need the leading "Zakim, "

18:06:09 <bijan> I had an email about datetypes as well which might be helpful: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0052.html

Bijan Parsia: I had an email about datetypes as well which might be helpful: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0052.html

18:06:17 <sandro> q- ??P34

Sandro Hawke: q- ??P34

18:06:22 <Conrad> Alan added items to the previoous agenda.

Alan added items to the previoous agenda.

18:06:37 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:06:37 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:06:48 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions

18:06:53 <Ratnesh> Zakim, unknown ia ratnesh

Ratnesh Sahay: Zakim, unknown ia ratnesh

18:06:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unknown ia ratnesh', Ratnesh

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unknown ia ratnesh', Ratnesh

18:07:10 <Ratnesh> Zakim, unknown is ratnesh

Ratnesh Sahay: Zakim, unknown is ratnesh

18:07:10 <Zakim> +ratnesh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ratnesh; got it

18:07:19 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:07:19 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

18:07:25 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here?

18:07:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc (muted), ratnesh

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc (muted), ratnesh

18:07:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Uli, jjc2, sandro, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Uli, jjc2, sandro, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng

18:07:54 <Conrad> Correction: Alan added items to the previoous minutes.

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Unknown Correction: Alan added items to the previoous minutes.

18:08:03 <bijan> Here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.11.07/Minutes#Summary_of_Action_Items

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Unknown Here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.11.07/Minutes#Summary_of_Action_Items [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

18:08:10 <sandro> Present: Carsten, Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc, ratnesh

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18:08:18 <sandro> zakim, make minutes

Sandro Hawke: zakim, make minutes

18:08:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'make minutes', sandro

18:08:35 <pfps> other business - the status of ISSUE-14

Peter Patel-Schneider: other business - the status of ISSUE-14

18:08:44 <sandro> RRSAgent, , make minutes

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, , make minutes

18:08:44 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand ', make minutes', sandro.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand ', make minutes', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help

18:08:54 <Conrad> Discussion of how actionitems from previous action items didn't makte it into previous minutes.

Discussion of how actionitems from previous action items didn't makte it into previous minutes.

18:09:31 <alanr> ACTION: Boris to send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28

ACTION: Boris to send an email about ISSUE-11 fixed and how to fix ISSUE-28

18:09:31 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-10 - Send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28 [on Boris Motik - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-10 - Send an email about ISSUE-11 fixed and how to fix ISSUE-28 [on Boris Motik - due 2007-11-21].

18:09:40 <alanr> ACTION: Boris to send an email on issue 3

ACTION: Boris to send an email on ISSUE-3

18:09:40 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-11 - Send an email on issue 3 [on Boris Motik - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-11 - Send an email on ISSUE-3 [on Boris Motik - due 2007-11-21].

18:09:54 <alanr> ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED

ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED

18:09:54 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - pfps

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - pfps

18:10:33 <alanr> ACTION: peter to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED

ACTION: peter to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED

18:10:33 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-12 - Send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-12 - Send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2007-11-21].

18:10:37 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:10:37 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:12:01 <bijan> Like: action: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f

Scribe problem: the name 'Like' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Like: action: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

18:12:28 <bijan> ACTION: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f

ACTION: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f

18:12:28 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-13 - Send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [on Ian Horrocks - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-13 - Send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [on Ian Horrocks - due 2007-11-21].

18:13:23 <Uli> but this email has been sent out?

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Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Uli: but this email has been sent out?

18:13:53 <pfps> there are also lots of order issues in last week's minutes and lack of context

Peter Patel-Schneider: there are also lots of order issues in last week's minutes and lack of context

18:14:17 <Conrad> Discussion of minutes editing, remove "chit chat", general readability, 20-30 minutes in cleanup.

Discussion of minutes editing, remove "chit chat", general readability, 20-30 minutes in cleanup.

18:14:47 <bijan> I suggest we accept the uncleanuped minutes

Bijan Parsia: I suggest we accept the uncleanuped minutes

18:15:06 <bijan> I mean, is there anything untrue in them?

Bijan Parsia: I mean, is there anything untrue in them?

18:15:13 <DougL> +1

Doug Lenat: +1

18:15:14 <sandro> PROPOSED: accept previous minutes, as is

PROPOSED: accept previous minutes, as is

18:15:14 <pfps> -1

Peter Patel-Schneider: -1

18:15:17 <bijan> +1 to accept

Bijan Parsia: +1 to accept

18:15:19 <Conrad> +1

+1

18:15:23 <MartinD> +1

Martin Dzbor: +1

18:15:29 <Uli> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Uli: +1

18:15:30 <MikeSmith> +1 to accept previous minutes

Michael Smith: +1 to accept previous minutes

18:15:30 <Ratnesh> +1

Ratnesh Sahay: +1

18:15:55 <pfps> status of ISSUES 13 and 14

Peter Patel-Schneider: status of ISSUES 13 and 14

18:16:00 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:16:00 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

18:16:02 <Conrad> Vote on whether to accept uncleaned up minutes from previously.

Vote on whether to accept uncleaned up minutes from previously.

18:16:21 <bijan> Weren't these resolved?

Bijan Parsia: Weren't these resolved?

18:16:22 <sandro> Alan: Peter, is there something damaging about accepting these minutes if we agree future ones will be held to a higher standard?

Alan Ruttenberg: Peter, is there something damaging about accepting these minutes if we agree future ones will be held to a higher standard? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:16:23 <jjc> (I tend to feel that meeting mintues should be unanimous)

Unknown jjc: (I tend to feel that meeting mintues should be unanimous)

18:16:31 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

18:16:34 <jjc> I'll side with peter if it makes this easier

Unknown jjc: I'll side with peter if it makes this easier

18:16:35 <ewallace> agree with Peter

Evan Wallace: agree with Peter

18:16:50 <Conrad> ACTION: Alan to clean up minutes

ACTION: Alan to clean up minutes

18:16:50 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-14 - Clean up minutes [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-14 - Clean up minutes [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].

18:17:07 <jjc> no

Unknown jjc: no

18:17:21 <sandro> proposal rejected

Sandro Hawke: proposal rejected

18:17:45 <Conrad> Vote and discussion result: not accept uncleaned up minutes.

Vote and discussion result: not accept uncleaned up minutes.

18:18:51 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:18:51 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:19:51 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/4

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/4

18:20:31 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:20:31 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps

18:20:48 <Conrad> ACTION Sandro: to explain how to fix red names on wiki pages.

ACTION Sandro: to explain how to fix red names on wiki pages.

18:21:17 <MartinD> zakim, mute me

Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me

18:21:17 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted

18:21:27 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:21:27 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

18:21:59 <ewallace> Peter notes that the syntax document is still missing all but its first figure

Evan Wallace: Peter notes that the syntax document is still missing all but its first figure

18:22:11 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:22:11 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps

18:22:44 <Conrad> ACTION alan: To upload images.

ACTION alan: To upload images.

18:23:18 <sandro> ACTION: Alan to upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document

ACTION: Alan to upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document

18:23:18 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-15 - Upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-15 - Upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].

18:23:26 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:23:26 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:23:37 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:23:37 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

18:23:39 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0283.html

Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0283.html

18:24:13 <Conrad> Topic: April FTF

1. April FTF

18:24:25 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:24:25 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps

18:24:46 <bijan> Need a survey since most people are not on the call

Bijan Parsia: Need a survey since most people are not on the call

18:24:51 <Conrad> +1

+1

18:24:56 <pfps> Agree on the survey

Peter Patel-Schneider: Agree on the survey

18:24:58 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

18:25:03 <sandro> +1 tthese days are fine for me

Sandro Hawke: +1 tthese days are fine for me

18:25:12 <ewallace> Alan asks if people can make first wk in April for FTF2

Evan Wallace: Alan asks if people can make first wk in April for FTF2

18:25:29 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

18:25:40 <pfps> wiki page looks good to me

Peter Patel-Schneider: wiki page looks good to me

18:25:43 <Ratnesh> +1 days are fine

Ratnesh Sahay: +1 days are fine

18:25:58 <MikeSmith> + dates are fine

Michael Smith: + dates are fine

18:26:20 <pfps> and send email, I guess

Peter Patel-Schneider: and send email, I guess

18:26:24 <Conrad> ACTION peter: post survey on April FTF dates.

ACTION peter: post survey on April FTF dates.

18:26:36 <Uli> 0 on the dates

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Uli: 0 on the dates

18:26:47 <alanr> 0?

Alan Ruttenberg: 0?

18:27:11 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:27:11 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:27:19 <Uli> 0= i am not sure yet, but i am afraid that i won't be able to make them

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Uli: 0= i am not sure yet, but i am afraid that i won't be able to make them

18:27:26 <sandro> ACTION: peter to make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it.

ACTION: peter to make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it.

18:27:26 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-16 - Make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-16 - Make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2007-11-21].

18:27:35 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:27:35 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

18:27:56 <pfps> +1 to accept :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to accept :-)

18:28:08 <bijan> +1 to accept

Bijan Parsia: +1 to accept

18:28:17 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me

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Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jeremy: Zakim, unmute me

18:28:17 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted

18:28:19 <MikeSmith> +1 to accept editorial issues (6,7,27,33,37)

Michael Smith: +1 to accept editorial issues (6,7,27,33,37)

18:28:25 <Ratnesh> +1 to accept

Ratnesh Sahay: +1 to accept

18:28:25 <Conrad> Alan surveys on accepting five issues in agenda

Alan surveys on closeing five issues in agenda

18:28:28 <jeremy> +1

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Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jeremy: +1

18:28:35 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me

18:28:35 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

18:28:36 <MartinD> +1

Martin Dzbor: +1

18:28:38 <pfps> s/accept/close/
18:28:39 <DougL> +1 to accept editorial issues (6,7,27,33,37)

Doug Lenat: +1 to accept editorial issues (6,7,27,33,37)

18:28:45 <alanr> ZAKIM, who is on the call?

Alan Ruttenberg: ZAKIM, who is on the call?

18:28:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), jeremy (muted), ratnesh

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), jeremy (muted), ratnesh

18:28:52 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:28:52 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:28:56 <jeremy> (I have fixed scribe conventions page wrt :)

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Unknown jeremy: (I have fixed scribe conventions page wrt :)

18:29:00 <Uli> +1

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Unknown Uli: +1

18:29:05 <jeremy> wrt colon)

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Unknown jeremy: wrt colon)

18:29:40 <Conrad> Resolved: Close issues 6,7,27,33,37 based on Peter's changes.

RESOLVED: Close issues 6,7,27,33,37 based on Peter's changes.

18:30:29 <Conrad> Topic: Datatype issues not in n-ary discussion

2. Datatype issues not in n-ary discussion

18:30:43 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/29

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/29

18:31:12 <jeremy> q+

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Unknown jeremy: q+

18:31:13 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:31:13 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:31:16 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:31:17 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:31:17 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

18:31:32 <jeremy> I do

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Unknown jeremy: I do

18:32:01 <jeremy> ack me

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Unknown jeremy: ack me

18:32:26 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:32:32 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:32:42 <Uli> ...jeremy, i can barely understand you, you sound "muffled"?

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Unknown Uli: ...jeremy, i can barely understand you, you sound "muffled"?

18:33:05 <bijan> Really?!?!?

Bijan Parsia: Really?!?!?

18:33:18 <bijan> What part of the rdf document forbids that?

Bijan Parsia: What part of the rdf document forbids that?

18:33:36 <jeremy> ACTION jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different

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Unknown jeremy: ACTION jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different

18:33:58 <Conrad> Action: jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different

ACTION: jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different

18:33:58 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeremy

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - jeremy

18:34:27 <DougL> Someone has their mike on, and it's causing a delayed feedback... please turn it off

Doug Lenat: Someone has their mike on, and it's causing a delayed feedback... please turn it off

18:35:16 <sandro> jeremy, could you please mute, due to echo?

Sandro Hawke: jeremy, could you please mute, due to echo?

18:35:25 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me

18:35:25 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

18:35:27 <DougL> or switch to nonspeakerphone

Doug Lenat: or switch to nonspeakerphone

18:35:35 <DougL> thanks

Doug Lenat: thanks

18:35:38 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:35:38 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:35:52 <jeremy> (feel free to mute me on my behalf if I forget)

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Unknown jeremy: (feel free to mute me on my behalf if I forget)

18:35:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:35:55 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:36:44 <Conrad> Bijan: Using XML Schema's namespace requires doing in a way they can accept.  In particular, need approval for using their namespace.

Bijan Parsia: Using XML Schema's namespace requires doing in a way they can accept. In particular, need approval for using their namespace.

18:38:00 <Conrad> Bijan: A URI is different from a qualified name.  Only true in RDF land.

Bijan Parsia: A URI is different from a qualified name. Only true in RDF land.

18:38:20 <sandro> Bijan: A qname is *not* an abbreviation for a URI.    It is a pair.

Bijan Parsia: A qname is *not* an abbreviation for a URI. It is a pair. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:38:48 <sandro> Bijan: Concatenation is sanction by the RDF specs, for use in RDF -- but not widely accepted in XML.

Bijan Parsia: Concatenation is sanction by the RDF specs, for use in RDF -- but not widely accepted in XML. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:39:25 <jeremy> +1 to giving XML Schema WG some say

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Unknown jeremy: +1 to giving XML Schema WG some say

18:39:30 <sandro> Bijan: If we're introducing an alternative serialization for XSD definitions, then XML Schema WG should be involved.

Bijan Parsia: If we're introducing an alternative serialization for XSD definitions, then XML Schema WG should be involved. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:40:19 <sandro> Alan: One issue is polutiong (squatting) a namespace.   Another is using a term the namespace publisher has defined.

Alan Ruttenberg: One issue is polutiong (squatting) a namespace. Another is using a term the namespace publisher has defined. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:40:41 <sandro> Peter: Yes, but XSD-WG did not define minInclusive, etc, as being in this namespace.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Yes, but XSD-WG did not define minInclusive, etc, as being in this namespace. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:41:00 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/0043.html

Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/0043.html

18:41:47 <Conrad> Bijan: Can't use existing element as attribute or vice-versa.

Bijan Parsia: Can't use existing element as attribute or vice-versa.

18:42:01 <sandro> Bijan: I think there's a syntax issue here, too, eg using minInclusive as an attribute when it's defined as an element, or some such.

Bijan Parsia: I think there's a syntax issue here, too, eg using minInclusive as an attribute when it's defined as an element, or some such. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:42:32 <Conrad> Bijan; You can derive a URI from a qname, but the XML WG might not approve of the URI.

Bijan; You can derive a URI from a qname, but the XML WG might not approve of the URI.

18:42:50 <alanr> even if they have defined the qname and used it

Alan Ruttenberg: even if they have defined the qname and used it

18:43:19 <pfps> there is a tag issue on this http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6

Peter Patel-Schneider: there is a tag issue on this http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6

18:44:12 <alanr> Mike Smith is Liason to the XML Schema working group

Alan Ruttenberg: Mike Smith is Liason to the XML Schema working group

18:44:16 <Carsten> After the discussion we had on of n-ary datatypes, I actually believe that using XML Schema for defining

Unknown Carsten: After the discussion we had on of n-ary datatypes, I actually believe that using XML Schema for defining

18:44:17 <Carsten> datatypes is a very bad idea in general, i.e., *also for unary datatypes*. I am not sure, though, whether it

Unknown Carsten: datatypes is a very bad idea in general, i.e., *also for unary datatypes*. I am not sure, though, whether it

18:44:19 <Carsten> makes sense to bring this up now. I will write a mail.

Unknown Carsten: makes sense to bring this up now. I will write a mail.

18:44:52 <Conrad> Action: Mike to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG

ACTION: Mike to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG

18:44:52 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Mike

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Mike

18:45:10 <Conrad> Action: MikeSmith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG

ACTION: MikeSmith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG

18:45:10 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MikeSmith

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - MikeSmith

18:45:42 <bijan> I can't find the translation to RDF of the datatype facets

Bijan Parsia: I can't find the translation to RDF of the datatype facets

18:46:15 <sandro> Action: Smith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG

ACTION: Smith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG

18:46:15 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-17 - Take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [on Michael Smith - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-17 - Take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [on Michael Smith - due 2007-11-21].

18:46:22 <jeremy> fine

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Unknown jeremy: fine

18:46:37 <bijan> Ah, table 5

Bijan Parsia: Ah, table 5

18:46:50 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:46:50 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:46:59 <Conrad> Action: Jeremy to edit issue 29 to deal with RDFS data type

ACTION: Jeremy to edit ISSUE-29 to deal with RDFS data type

18:46:59 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeremy

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeremy

18:47:24 <alanr> mike will spawn new issue, jeremy will add note to issue 29 saying it it narrower

Alan Ruttenberg: mike will spawn new issue, jeremy will add note to ISSUE-29 saying it it narrower

18:47:42 <Conrad> Topic: Issue 31

3. ISSUE-31

18:47:48 <sandro> Action: Carroll to edit issue 29 to deal with RDFS data type

ACTION: Carroll to edit ISSUE-29 to deal with RDFS data type

18:47:48 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Carroll

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Carroll

18:47:58 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me

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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, unmute me

18:47:58 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted

18:48:01 <sandro> trackbot-ng, list users

Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng, list users

18:48:08 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:48:08 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:48:17 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:48:17 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps

18:48:17 <sandro> trackbot-ng, help

Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng, help

18:48:17 <trackbot-ng> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)

Trackbot IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)

18:48:23 <bijan> Did XML schema ever finish component designators?

Bijan Parsia: Did XML schema ever finish component designators?

18:48:55 <sandro> trackbot-ng, status

Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng, status

18:49:10 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:49:15 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:49:15 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:49:19 <Uli> jeremy, i still can't understand you

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Unknown Uli: jeremy, i still can't understand you

18:49:41 <bijan> q-

Bijan Parsia: q-

18:49:46 <bijan> q+ to say we should pick a winner

Bijan Parsia: q+ to say we should pick a winner

18:49:52 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:49:52 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:49:54 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me

18:49:54 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

18:50:39 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me

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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, unmute me

18:50:39 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted

18:50:43 <Conrad> Alan: We can define datatypes in XML, and if we lefft everything alone, could import documents with XML datatypes.  WOuld be annoying because of one file per datatype.

Alan Ruttenberg: We can define datatypes in XML, and if we lefft everything alone, could import documents with XML datatypes. WOuld be annoying because of one file per datatype.

18:50:52 <Uli> it's an option, but do we need to take their semantics?

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Unknown Uli: it's an option, but do we need to take their semantics?

18:50:53 <ewallace> datatypes could be defined in one document

Evan Wallace: datatypes could be defined in one document

18:51:15 <Conrad> Jeremy: Can put multiple datatypes on same file with different ID's.

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Unknown Jeremy: Can put multiple datatypes on same file with different ID's.

18:51:23 <Uli> i.e., do we need to take the XSD semantics as well if we use their datatypes?

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Unknown Uli: i.e., do we need to take the XSD semantics as well if we use their datatypes?

18:51:27 <pfps> yes, that would assume that we take the XSD semantics - of course, we could restrict the allowable syntax (I guess)

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, that would assume that we take the XSD semantics - of course, we could restrict the allowable syntax (I guess)

18:51:30 <bijan> WE already do :)

Bijan Parsia: WE already do :)

18:51:55 <bijan> perhaps the liaison should ask

Bijan Parsia: perhaps the liaison should ask

18:52:05 <bijan> I'm on the queue

Bijan Parsia: I'm on the queue

18:52:15 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

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18:52:24 <bijan> ack me

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18:52:25 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to say we should pick a winner

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18:52:36 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:54:10 <ewallace> -1 on not allowing use of outside defined xml datatypes if we are using the syntax

Evan Wallace: -1 on not allowing use of outside defined xml datatypes if we are using the syntax

18:54:32 <jeremy> yes, I agree with Bijan too

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Unknown jeremy: yes, I agree with Bijan too

18:54:39 <pfps> I don't see much need to either point to external XSD documents or reuse the XSD syntax

Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't see much need to either point to external XSD documents or reuse the XSD syntax

18:54:44 <Conrad> Bijan: Need both inlining and referencing datatypes.

Bijan Parsia: Need both inlining and referencing datatypes.

18:55:09 <jeremy> q+ to suggest way forward

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Unknown jeremy: q+ to suggest way forward

18:55:17 <ewallace> if we use the XML syntax people are going to expect to be able to reuse XML datatypes

Evan Wallace: if we use the XML syntax people are going to expect to be able to reuse XML datatypes

18:55:21 <pfps> If we do use the XSD syntax, then there is no reason not to allow pointing to external XSD documents

Peter Patel-Schneider: If we do use the XSD syntax, then there is no reason not to allow pointing to external XSD documents

18:55:46 <jeremy> ack me

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Unknown jeremy: ack me

18:55:47 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to suggest way forward

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18:56:07 <Conrad> Bijan: WOuld rather have one way of referencing datatypes.

Bijan Parsia: WOuld rather have one way of referencing datatypes.

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18:56:33 <Conrad> Jeremy: Final document does have one way (picks a winner).

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Unknown Jeremy: Final document does have one way (picks a winner).

18:57:14 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:57:32 <bijan> -1 to not solving it even if XML Schema fails

Bijan Parsia: -1 to not solving it even if XML Schema fails

18:58:09 <Conrad> Alan: Would be good to settle ourrequirements on this.

Alan Ruttenberg: Would be good to settle ourrequirements on this.

18:58:34 <pfps> it's not that we don't need the datatypes, it's that I don't think that we *need* the syntax

Peter Patel-Schneider: it's not that we don't need the datatypes, it's that I don't think that we *need* the syntax

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18:58:45 <Conrad> Alan: Heard four opinions on requirements so far.

Alan Ruttenberg: Heard four opinions on requirements so far.

18:58:48 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me

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18:58:51 <bijan> Submission doesn't make a choice

Bijan Parsia: Submission doesn't make a choice

18:59:01 <pfps> no mechanism for datatype import in OWL 1.1

Peter Patel-Schneider: no mechanism for datatype import in OWL 1.1

18:59:23 <ewallace> No.

Evan Wallace: No.

18:59:23 <Conrad> Peter: No mechanism for datatype import in the member submission.

Peter Patel-Schneider: No mechanism for datatype import in the member submission.

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18:59:32 <jeremy> I think the BP WG Note should be on the table

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Unknown jeremy: I think the BP WG Note should be on the table

18:59:58 <ewallace> q+

Evan Wallace: q+

19:00:07 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

19:00:12 <Conrad> Alan; Any objection to discussion on email on requirements?

Alan; Any objection to discussion on email on requirements?

19:00:19 <jeremy> jena uses that too

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Unknown jeremy: jena uses that too

19:00:33 <jeremy> (that = DAML+OIL soln as documented in SWBP WG Note)

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Unknown jeremy: (that = DAML+OIL soln as documented in SWBP WG Note)

19:00:38 <Conrad> Bijan: No bias in sub mission against importing.

Bijan Parsia: No bias in sub mission against importing.

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19:01:16 <Conrad> Evan: MIght as well use best practices, otherwise fall bak to inline.

Evan Wallace: MIght as well use best practices, otherwise fall bak to inline.

19:01:23 <bijan> Some is better than none

Bijan Parsia: Some is better than none

19:01:50 <pfps> where is the DAML+OIL solution?

Peter Patel-Schneider: where is the DAML+OIL solution?

19:01:58 <Conrad> Alan: Agreement to discuss on mailing list?

Alan Ruttenberg: Agreement to discuss on mailing list?

19:02:03 <jeremy> In a version of BP note, maybe one before last

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Unknown jeremy: In a version of BP note, maybe one before last

19:02:16 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-xsch-datatypes-20050427/#sec-daml-soln

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-xsch-datatypes-20050427/#sec-daml-soln

19:02:22 <jeremy> q+ to note status

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Unknown jeremy: q+ to note status

19:02:28 <jeremy> ack me

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19:02:30 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to note status

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19:02:37 <ewallace> q-

Evan Wallace: q-

19:02:40 <Conrad> Action: Mike to lead discussion on this.

ACTION: Mike to lead discussion on this.

19:02:40 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Mike

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19:03:09 <MikeSmith> conrad, I think it will work if you use Smith

Michael Smith: conrad, I think it will work if you use Smith

19:03:25 <bijan> I would rather datatype identification be in a spec, near the inline syntax for user defined datatype, but that's fine

Bijan Parsia: I would rather datatype identification be in a spec, near the inline syntax for user defined datatype, but that's fine

19:03:41 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

19:03:45 <alanr> q-

Alan Ruttenberg: q-

19:03:55 <bijan> +1 to getting info from XML Schema WG

Bijan Parsia: +1 to getting info from XML Schema WG

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19:04:05 <Conrad> Mike, I tried that earlier.

Mike, I tried that earlier.

19:04:13 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me

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19:04:20 <ewallace> some bits of the issues Jeremy has brought up with n-ary datatype are also in the BP note

Evan Wallace: some bits of the issues Jeremy has brought up with n-ary datatype are also in the BP note

19:05:23 <ewallace> so this needs to be reviewed before this were to be published by us

Evan Wallace: so this needs to be reviewed before this were to be published by us

19:05:51 <ewallace> I would like to be included in the datatypes discussion group

Evan Wallace: I would like to be included in the datatypes discussion group

19:05:54 <bijan> What about XML SCheam syntax?

Bijan Parsia: What about XML SCheam syntax?

19:06:07 <jeremy> (I think I am done, but I am happy for others to continue)

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Unknown jeremy: (I think I am done, but I am happy for others to continue)

19:06:19 <jeremy> no opinion

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Unknown jeremy: no opinion

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19:06:28 <Conrad> Clarification of Mike's last action: to convene half-hour telecon on data types issue

Clarification of Mike's last action: to convene half-hour telecon on data types issue

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19:06:35 <Uli> I would like to be included in the datatype sub-group discussion, too

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Unknown Uli: I would like to be included in the datatype sub-group discussion, too

19:06:51 <Conrad> Alan scribing

Alan scribing

19:06:55 <Zakim> -Conrad

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19:07:37 <Carsten> I would also like to be in the datatype group

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19:07:41 <Zakim> -jeremy

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19:07:58 <alanr> topic: Ontology elements.

4. Ontology elements.

19:08:22 <alanr> suggested in the xml syntax have a mandatory uri on the ontology

Alan Ruttenberg: suggested in the xml syntax have a mandatory uri on the ontology

19:08:28 <MikeSmith> for xml schema discussion, I will use the minutes to co-ordinate info, if anyone else wants to be include, be sure to chime in here

Michael Smith: for xml schema discussion, I will use the minutes to co-ordinate info, if anyone else wants to be include, be sure to chime in here

19:08:32 <pfps> what happens with local names if you don't have an ontology name?

Peter Patel-Schneider: what happens with local names if you don't have an ontology name?

19:08:34 <alanr> relax that proposition

Alan Ruttenberg: relax that proposition

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19:09:51 <pfps> ah, right, currently in OWL 1.1 there are no relative IRIs

Peter Patel-Schneider: ah, right, currently in OWL 1.1 there are no relative IRIs

19:11:15 <sandro> (sorry, do we have a scribe...?)

Sandro Hawke: (sorry, do we have a scribe...?)

19:11:23 <bijan> No

Bijan Parsia: No

19:11:40 <sandro> scribenick: alan

(Scribe set to Alan Ruttenberg)

19:12:07 <alanr> alan raises imports processing issues in relations

alan raises imports processing issues in relations

19:12:25 <sandro> Bijan: Tools should not use the Ontology Name to check for inclusion cycles.

Bijan Parsia: Tools should not use the Ontology Name to check for inclusion cycles. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:12:30 <Zakim> -MartinD

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19:12:35 <sandro> Alan: but protege-4 does that.

Alan Ruttenberg: but protege-4 does that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:12:45 <sandro> Bijan: I think that's a bug

Bijan Parsia: I think that's a bug [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:12:59 <sandro> Alan: Matthew believes it's right, I think....

Alan Ruttenberg: Matthew believes it's right, I think.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:13:35 <sandro> Alan: And it's not that he's confused.    He's sure his approach is right.

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19:14:03 <sandro> Alan: If this issue can proceed independently, something something something.

Alan Ruttenberg: If this issue can proceed independently, something something something. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:14:23 <sandro> Bijan: Definition of ontology closure can be separated from ontology naming.

Bijan Parsia: Definition of ontology closure can be separated from ontology naming. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:14:27 <alanr> the basic issue is what happens when you say owl:imports "foo"

the basic issue is what happens when you say owl:imports "foo"

19:14:52 <sandro> Bijan: We could just use XML Include, and things would come out pretty much the same.

Bijan Parsia: We could just use XML Include, and things would come out pretty much the same. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:15:27 <sandro> Bijan: If nothing else is different other than the ontology name....    I don't know what one would make of that.

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19:15:46 <sandro> Bijan: Import closure reaches a fixpoint when doing more imports doesn't add anything.

Bijan Parsia: Import closure reaches a fixpoint when doing more imports doesn't add anything. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:16:14 <sandro> Alan: Your defining an import-processing-model, calling in 'include', in which the ontology name doesn't matter.

Alan Ruttenberg: Your defining an import-processing-model, calling in 'include', in which the ontology name doesn't matter. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:16:17 <pfps> in OWL 1.0 the ontology name doesn't matter

Peter Patel-Schneider: in OWL 1.0 the ontology name doesn't matter

19:16:26 <pfps> in OWL 1.1 the ontology name does matter

Peter Patel-Schneider: in OWL 1.1 the ontology name does matter

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19:16:54 <sandro> Peter: in 1.0 import is defined completely independently of ontology names.

Peter Patel-Schneider: in 1.0 import is defined completely independently of ontology names. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:17:13 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

19:17:13 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

19:17:15 <bijan> REALLY!?!??!!

Bijan Parsia: REALLY!?!??!!

19:17:21 <sandro> Peter: in 1.1, it's completely different.   [ some O....O' definition ]

Peter Patel-Schneider: in 1.1, it's completely different. [ some O....O' definition ] [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:17:24 <bijan> Omg, OWL 1.1 is broken there

Bijan Parsia: Omg, OWL 1.1 is broken there

19:17:42 <sandro> Alan: If one wants to sign the ontology, ....

Alan Ruttenberg: If one wants to sign the ontology, .... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:17:48 <sandro> Zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is here?

19:17:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, ratnesh

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, ratnesh

19:17:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, jeremy, Uli, sandro, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, jeremy, Uli, sandro, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, bijan, trackbot-ng

19:17:52 <bijan> """An ontology O directly imports an ontology O' if O contains an import declaration whose value is the ontology URI of O'."""

Bijan Parsia: """An ontology O directly imports an ontology O' if O contains an import declaration whose value is the ontology URI of O'."""

19:18:10 <sandro> Peter: I'm not saying what it should be, I'm saying what 1.1 says.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm not saying what it should be, I'm saying what 1.1 says. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:18:10 <bijan> I see why matthew was confused

Bijan Parsia: I see why matthew was confused

19:18:22 <bijan> Because OWL 1.1 got it wrong :)

Bijan Parsia: Because OWL 1.1 got it wrong :)

19:18:43 <sandro> Let's deprecate owl:imports!!!!!!!!!!

Sandro Hawke: Let's deprecate owl:imports!!!!!!!!!!

19:19:00 <bijan> +1 to xml:include

Bijan Parsia: +1 to xml:include

19:19:02 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-semantics/direct.html#3.4

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-semantics/direct.html#3.4

19:19:18 <bijan> Aside from this local meaning, an owl:imports annotation also imports the contents of another OWL ontology into the current ontology. The imported ontology is the one, if any, that has as name the argument of the imports construct. (This treatment of imports is divorced from Web issues. The intended use of names for OWL ontologies is to make the name be the location of the ontology on the Web, but this is outside of this formal treatment.)

Bijan Parsia: Aside from this local meaning, an owl:imports annotation also imports the contents of another OWL ontology into the current ontology. The imported ontology is the one, if any, that has as name the argument of the imports construct. (This treatment of imports is divorced from Web issues. The intended use of names for OWL ontologies is to make the name be the location of the ontology on the Web, but this is outside of this formal treatment.)

19:19:28 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

19:19:28 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

19:19:31 <sandro> Alan: there is a requirement from users that people be able to sign their ontologies, include metadata, include versioning, ....

Alan Ruttenberg: there is a requirement from users that people be able to sign their ontologies, include metadata, include versioning, .... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:19:38 <ewallace> Alan notes a common requirement to annotate ontologies with metadata such as author

Evan Wallace: Alan notes a common requirement to annotate ontologies with metadata such as author

19:19:55 <sandro> Bijan: The 1.1 defn is a bug because it's less-liberal than 1.0, so it's not backward compatible.

Bijan Parsia: The 1.1 defn is a bug because it's less-liberal than 1.0, so it's not backward compatible. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:20:18 <sandro> MikeSmith, when you use "/me" like that, it's left out of the IRC log.

Sandro Hawke: MikeSmith, when you use "/me" like that, it's left out of the IRC log.

19:20:24 <pfps> an email on problems with OWL 1.0 imports would be useful

Peter Patel-Schneider: an email on problems with OWL 1.0 imports would be useful

19:21:04 <sandro> Bijan: I think we should align the current specs with OWL 1.1

Bijan Parsia: I think we should align the current specs with OWL 1.1 [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:21:25 <sandro> Bijan: ... and then think about a deeper redesign, eg using XML Include.

Bijan Parsia: ... and then think about a deeper redesign, eg using XML Include. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:21:35 <ewallace> Alan proposes a breakout session at F2F1 where we can meet with Alan Rector, etc and talk about reqs

Evan Wallace: Alan proposes a breakout session at F2F1 where we can meet with Alan Rector, etc and talk about reqs

19:21:38 <sandro> Alan: I don't know anyone who like owl:import as is.

Alan Ruttenberg: I don't know anyone who like owl:import as is. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:21:57 <ewallace> and possible designs to address them

Evan Wallace: and possible designs to address them

19:21:59 <MikeSmith> I note (to be logged) that xml:include may be a path to datatype import as well.  Something to revisit.

Michael Smith: I note (to be logged) that xml:include may be a path to datatype import as well. Something to revisit.

19:22:20 <Uli> sounds good

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Uli: sounds good

19:22:52 <alanr> Action: Alan to brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list

ACTION: Alan to brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list

19:22:52 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-18 - Brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-18 - Brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].

19:23:20 <sandro> Peter: should rich annotations be on the agenda at F2F1?

Peter Patel-Schneider: should rich annotations be on the agenda at F2F1? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:23:40 <bijan> I believe alan rector is only available on the first day, but I shall check

Bijan Parsia: I believe alan rector is only available on the first day, but I shall check

19:23:57 <bijan> Sean and Matthew are available both days

Bijan Parsia: Sean and Matthew are available both days

19:24:00 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

19:24:00 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

19:24:14 <alanr> Action: Alan to include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f

ACTION: Alan to include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f

19:24:14 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-19 - Include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-19 - Include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].

19:24:30 <Zakim> -Doug

Zakim IRC Bot: -Doug

19:24:32 <Zakim> -MikeSmith

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19:24:34 <Zakim> -bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan

19:24:35 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

19:24:36 <sandro> ADJOURN

Sandro Hawke: ADJOURN

19:24:39 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace

19:24:44 <Zakim> -Alan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan

19:24:50 <alanr> Sandro, minutes?

Sandro, minutes?

19:24:51 <Uli> bye

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Uli: bye

19:24:53 <Ratnesh> Bye

Ratnesh Sahay: Bye

19:24:54 <Zakim> -Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: -Carsten

19:25:00 <ewallace> rich annotations should be an agenda item on the next telecon

Evan Wallace: rich annotations should be an agenda item on the next telecon

19:25:07 <Zakim> -ratnesh

Zakim IRC Bot: -ratnesh

19:25:34 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

19:25:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MikeSmith, MartinD, Carsten, ratnesh, jeremy

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MikeSmith, MartinD, Carsten, ratnesh, jeremy

19:26:07 <alanr> rrsagent, please create the minutes

rrsagent, please create the minutes

19:26:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-minutes.html alanr

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-minutes.html alanr

19:26:36 <alanr> zakim, set logs world-visible

zakim, set logs world-visible

19:26:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'set logs world-visible', alanr

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'set logs world-visible', alanr

19:26:50 <alanr> rrsagent, set logs world-visible

rrsagent, set logs world-visible

19:27:19 <alanr> rrsagent, leave

rrsagent, leave

19:27:19 <RRSAgent> I see 21 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 21 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-actions.rdf :

19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sandro will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow [1]

ACTION: Sandro will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow [1]

19:27:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-02-26

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28 [2]

ACTION: Boris to send an email about ISSUE-11 fixed and how to fix ISSUE-28 [2]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to send an email on issue 3 [3]

ACTION: Boris to send an email on ISSUE-3 [3]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [4]

ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [4]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: peter to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [5]

ACTION: peter to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [5]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [6]

ACTION: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [6]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to clean up minutes [7]

ACTION: Alan to clean up minutes [7]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sandro to to explain how to fix red names on wiki pages. [8]

ACTION: Sandro to to explain how to fix red names on wiki pages. [8]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: alan to To upload images. [9]

ACTION: alan to To upload images. [9]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document [10]

ACTION: Alan to upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document [10]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: peter to post survey on April FTF dates. [11]

ACTION: peter to post survey on April FTF dates. [11]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: peter to make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. [12]

ACTION: peter to make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. [12]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different [13]

ACTION: jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different [13]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [14]

ACTION: Mike to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [14]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MikeSmith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [15]

ACTION: MikeSmith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [15]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Smith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [16]

ACTION: Smith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [16]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to edit issue 29 to deal with RDFS data type [17]

ACTION: Jeremy to edit ISSUE-29 to deal with RDFS data type [17]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carroll to edit issue 29 to deal with RDFS data type [18]

ACTION: Carroll to edit ISSUE-29 to deal with RDFS data type [18]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike to lead discussion on this. [19]

ACTION: Mike to lead discussion on this. [19]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list [20]

ACTION: Alan to brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list [20]

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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f [21]

ACTION: Alan to include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f [21]

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