Meeting Record

OWL WG Teleconference

Minutes of 10 October 2007

Present

Peter Patel-Schneider, Sandro Hawke, Ivan Herman, Unknown bmotik, Ian Horrocks, Rinke Hoekstra, Unknown Carsten, Vipul Kashyap, Alan Ruttenberg, Conrad Bock, Markus Krötzsch, Doug Lenat, Achille Fokoue, Giorgos Stoilos, Bijan Parsia, Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Uli Sattler, Joanne Luciano, Anne Cregan, Tommie Meyer, Conrad Bock, Jeff Pan, Unknown Bernado

Chair

Unknown Ruttenberg

Scribe

Bijan Parsia

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US link
irc logs default to public link

Topics

getting started and attendence
ADMIN (20 min)
Roll call
PROPOSED regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US
Agenda amendments
Telecons and IRC
Sub-groups to work on deliverables

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16:49:27 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-irc ←

16:49:36 <bijan> ah, just from this client

Bijan Parsia: ah, just from this client ←

16:49:52 <ivan> zakim, this will be owl

Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be owl ←

16:49:52 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes ←

16:50:06 <bijan> Scribe: Bijan Parsia

(Scribe set to Bijan Parsia)

16:50:13 <bijan> ScribeNick: bijan

16:50:23 <bijan> Meeting: OWL WG Teleconference

16:50:28 <bijan> Who's chair?

Who's chair? ←

16:52:47 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started ←

16:52:54 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←

16:53:04 <pfps> zakim, ??p25 is pfps

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??p25 is pfps ←

16:53:04 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←

16:54:31 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←

16:54:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps ←

16:54:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see sandro, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, Doug, clu, bijan_, ivan, pfps, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see sandro, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, Doug, clu, bijan_, ivan, pfps, bijan ←

16:55:11 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←

16:55:49 <Zakim> +??P29

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←

16:56:00 <bijan> zakim, p29 is me

zakim, p29 is me ←

16:56:00 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, I do not recognize a party named 'p29'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, I do not recognize a party named 'p29' ←

16:56:06 <bijan> zakim, ??p29 is me

zakim, ??p29 is me ←

16:56:06 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←

16:56:23 <bijan> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

16:56:23 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

16:56:59 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-home

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-home ←

16:56:59 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←

16:57:01 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←

16:57:13 <Zakim> +??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 ←

16:57:31 <Zakim> + +018652aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +018652aaaa ←

16:57:39 <ivan> zakim, ??P31 is boris

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P31 is boris ←

16:57:39 <Zakim> +boris; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +boris; got it ←

16:57:41 <Zakim> + +1.312.052.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.312.052.aabb ←

16:57:46 <IanH> zakim, aaaa is IanH

Ian Horrocks: zakim, aaaa is IanH ←

16:57:47 <Zakim> +IanH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←

16:58:03 <Zakim> + +49.351.4.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.351.4.aacc ←

16:59:12 <clu> I just joined from Germany. Carsten Lutz, TU Dresden

Scribe problem: the name 'clu' does not match any of the 31 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bijan Parsia Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown clu: I just joined from Germany. Carsten Lutz, TU Dresden ←

16:59:29 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Carsten

Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is Carsten ←

16:59:29 <Zakim> +Carsten; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten; got it ←

16:59:37 <sandro> Zakim, aacc is Carston_Lutz

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, aacc is Carston_Lutz ←

16:59:37 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc' ←

16:59:39 <bijan> Agenda email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Oct/0005.html

Agenda email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Oct/0005.html ←

17:00:06 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vipul_Kashyap ←

17:00:06 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:00:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, bijan (muted), Ivan, boris, IanH, +1.312.052.aabb, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, bijan (muted), Ivan, boris, IanH, +1.312.052.aabb, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap ←

17:00:23 <Zakim> + +1.617.253.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.253.aadd ←

17:00:25 <bijan> Chair: Ian Horrocks and Alan Ruttenberg

Scribe problem: the name 'Ian Horrocks and Alan Ruttenberg' does not match any of the 28 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bijan Parsia Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap

17:00:39 <Zakim> +JeffP

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP ←

17:00:49 <Zakim> +??P38

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38 ←

17:00:57 <sandro> rrsagent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: rrsagent, pointer? ←

17:00:57 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-irc#T17-00-57

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-irc#T17-00-57 ←

17:01:03 <ivan> zakim, aadd is alan

Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is alan ←

17:01:03 <Zakim> +alan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alan; got it ←

17:01:16 <Zakim> +Doug

Zakim IRC Bot: +Doug ←

17:01:30 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←

17:02:13 <Doug> zakim, who is on the phone?

Doug Lenat: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:02:13 <Zakim> +[IVML]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IVML] ←

17:02:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, bijan (muted), Ivan, boris, IanH, +1.312.052.aabb, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, +012242aaee, MarkusK (muted), +1.512.342.aaff, [IBM], [IVML]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, bijan (muted), Ivan, boris, IanH, +1.312.052.aabb, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, +012242aaee, MarkusK (muted), +1.512.342.aaff, [IBM], [IVML] ←

17:02:20 <stoil> zakim, [IVML] is me

Giorgos Stoilos: zakim, [IVML] is me ←

17:02:20 <Zakim> +stoil; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stoil; got it ←

17:02:25 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.975.aaee ←

17:02:49 <sandro> Zakim, aaee is Conrad

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, aaee is Conrad ←

17:02:50 <Zakim> +Conrad; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Conrad; got it ←

17:02:52 <Zakim> -bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←

17:03:00 <Doug> zakim, aaff is me

Doug Lenat: zakim, aaff is me ←

17:03:00 <Zakim> +Doug; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Doug; got it ←

17:03:07 <Zakim> +??P44

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44 ←

17:03:19 <Doug> zakim, who is on the phone?

Doug Lenat: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:03:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, boris, IanH, +1.312.052.aabb, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, [IBM], stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, ??P44

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, boris, IanH, +1.312.052.aabb, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, [IBM], stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, ??P44 ←

17:03:23 <Zakim> +??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←

17:03:28 <Zakim> + +1.408.774.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.408.774.aaff ←

17:03:28 <sandro> Zakim, aabb is Rinke

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, aabb is Rinke ←

17:03:29 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it ←

17:03:38 <bijan> zakim, ??P44 is me

zakim, ??P44 is me ←

17:03:38 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←

17:04:03 <alanr> going to experiment with agenda

Alan Ruttenberg: going to experiment with agenda ←

17:04:12 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←

17:04:17 <alanr> agenda+ ADMIN (20 min)

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ ADMIN (20 min) ←

17:04:19 <alanr> agenda+ Roll call

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Roll call ←

17:04:39 <sandro> Zakim, ??P1 is Bijan

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, ??P1 is Bijan ←

17:04:39 <Zakim> +Bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bijan; got it ←

17:04:49 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone ←

17:04:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', sandro ←

17:04:51 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:04:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, boris, IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, [IBM], stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, bijan (muted), Bijan,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, boris, IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, [IBM], stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, bijan (muted), Bijan, ←

17:04:54 <alanr> agenda+ PROPOSED regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ PROPOSED regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US ←

17:04:55 <Zakim> ... +1.408.774.aaff, Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.408.774.aaff, Evan_Wallace ←

17:04:55 <alanr> agenda+ Agenda amendments

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Agenda amendments ←

17:04:57 <alanr> agenda+ Telecons and IRC

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Telecons and IRC ←

17:04:58 <alanr> agenda+ Scribe Alternation

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Scribe Alternation ←

17:05:00 <alanr> agenda+ Regrets to be posted on meeting wiki

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Regrets to be posted on meeting wiki ←

17:05:02 <alanr> agenda+ Wiki authorship policy

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Wiki authorship policy ←

17:05:03 <alanr> agenda+ Charter review (20 min)

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Charter review (20 min) ←

17:05:05 <alanr> agenda+ Scope

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Scope ←

17:05:06 <alanr> agenda+ Deliverables

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Deliverables ←

17:05:08 <alanr> agenda+ Timeline

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Timeline ←

17:05:09 <alanr> agenda+ Organisation (20 min)

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Organisation (20 min) ←

17:05:11 <alanr> agenda+ Sub-groups to work on deliverables

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Sub-groups to work on deliverables ←

17:05:12 <alanr> agenda+ Relationships to other W3C groups (10 min)

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Relationships to other W3C groups (10 min) ←

17:05:14 <alanr> agenda+ Choose contact persons

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Choose contact persons ←

17:05:15 <alanr> agenda+ Review of the RIF document

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Review of the RIF document ←

17:05:17 <alanr> agenda+ Manchester F2F (10 min)

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Manchester F2F (10 min) ←

17:05:18 <alanr> agenda+ Estimate attendance

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Estimate attendance ←

17:05:20 <alanr> agenda+ Outline objectives

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Outline objectives ←

17:05:21 <alanr> agenda+ Additional other business (5 min)

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda+ Additional other business (5 min) ←

17:06:14 <sandro> zakim, ??P44 is Uli

Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P44 is Uli ←

17:06:14 <Zakim> I already had ??P44 as bijan, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P44 as bijan, sandro ←

17:06:23 <sandro> zakim, bijan is Uli

Sandro Hawke: zakim, bijan is Uli ←

17:06:23 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'bijan'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'bijan' ←

17:06:31 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:06:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, boris, IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, [IBM], stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, bijan, Bijan,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, boris, IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, [IBM], stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, bijan, Bijan, ←

17:06:35 <Zakim> ... +1.408.774.aaff, Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.408.774.aaff, Evan_Wallace ←

17:06:42 <Zakim> -bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←

17:07:09 <sandro> Zakim, IBM is temporarily Achille_Fokoue

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, IBM is temporarily Achille_Fokoue ←

17:07:09 <Zakim> +Achille_Fokoue; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille_Fokoue; got it ←

17:07:22 <Zakim> +??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←

17:07:29 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'bmotik' does not match any of the 31 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bijan Parsia Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown bmotik: Zakim, mute me ←

17:07:29 <Zakim> sorry, bmotik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bmotik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

17:07:31 <sandro> zakim, aaff is Elisa

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaff is Elisa ←

17:07:31 <Zakim> +Elisa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa; got it ←

17:07:35 <Doug> [adding this to my Irony casefile: what we really need is a semantic web]

Doug Lenat: [adding this to my Irony casefile: what we really need is a semantic web] ←

17:07:36 <Zakim> +Joanne_Luciano

Zakim IRC Bot: +Joanne_Luciano ←

17:07:38 <sandro> zakim ??P15 is Uli

Sandro Hawke: zakim ??P15 is Uli ←

17:07:59 <JeffP> zakim, ??P15 is Uli

Jeff Pan: zakim, ??P15 is Uli ←

17:07:59 <Zakim> +Uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Uli; got it ←

17:08:01 <Zakim> +AnneCregan

Zakim IRC Bot: +AnneCregan ←

17:08:21 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:08:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, boris, IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, Bijan, Elisa,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, boris, IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, Bijan, Elisa, ←

17:08:25 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, Uli, Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, Uli, Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan ←

17:08:56 <bmotik> Zakim, boris is bmotik

Unknown bmotik: Zakim, boris is bmotik ←

17:08:56 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←

17:09:04 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Unknown bmotik: Zakim, mute me ←

17:09:04 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←

17:09:22 <bijan_> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

17:09:22 <Zakim> sorry, bijan_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

17:09:35 <bijan> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

17:09:35 <Zakim> Bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should now be muted ←

17:09:50 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:09:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, bmotik (muted), IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, Bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, bmotik (muted), IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, Bijan ←

17:09:54 <Zakim> ... (muted), Elisa, Evan_Wallace, Uli (muted), Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Elisa, Evan_Wallace, Uli (muted), Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan ←

17:10:10 <sandro> zakim, drop aaee

Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop aaee ←

17:10:10 <Zakim> +1.301.975.aaee is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: +1.301.975.aaee is being disconnected ←

17:10:12 <Zakim> - +1.301.975.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.301.975.aaee ←

17:10:39 <bijan> Topic: getting started and attendence

1. getting started and attendence

17:10:57 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←

17:11:35 <sandro> Zakim, ??P13 is TommieMeyer

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, ??P13 is TommieMeyer ←

17:11:35 <Zakim> +TommieMeyer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TommieMeyer; got it ←

17:11:36 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.975.aagg ←

17:12:03 <sandro> Zakim, aagg is Conrad_Bock

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, aagg is Conrad_Bock ←

17:12:03 <Zakim> +Conrad_Bock; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Conrad_Bock; got it ←

17:12:13 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:12:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, bmotik (muted), IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, stoil, Bijan (muted), Elisa,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, bmotik (muted), IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, stoil, Bijan (muted), Elisa, ←

17:12:18 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, Uli (muted), Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan, TommieMeyer, Conrad_Bock

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, Uli (muted), Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan, TommieMeyer, Conrad_Bock ←

17:13:08 <sandro> zakim, drop conrad

Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop conrad ←

17:13:08 <Zakim> Conrad is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Conrad is being disconnected ←

17:13:09 <Zakim> -Conrad

Zakim IRC Bot: -Conrad ←

17:14:52 <bijan> IanH: Procedural preliminaries; everyone should get better at getting connected so as to not take up telecon time with us getting connected

Ian Horrocks: Procedural preliminaries; everyone should get better at getting connected so as to not take up telecon time with us getting connected ←

17:15:15 <Zakim> +Conrad.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +Conrad.a ←

17:15:16 <bijan> ... Please check the using zakim and the ettiquette page.

... Please check the using zakim and the ettiquette page. ←

17:15:54 <sandro> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Etiquette Meeting Etiquette Page

Sandro Hawke: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Etiquette Meeting Etiquette Page ←

17:16:04 <sandro> Zakim, Conrad.a is Jeff_Pan

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, Conrad.a is Jeff_Pan ←

17:16:04 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeff_Pan; got it ←

17:16:26 <clu> zakim, mute me

Unknown clu: zakim, mute me ←

17:16:26 <Zakim> sorry, clu, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, clu, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

17:16:32 <bijan> ... and most importantly, help the scribe!

... and most importantly, help the scribe! ←

17:16:34 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Tools

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Tools ←

17:16:38 <bijan> .... the scribe is to be helped!

.... the scribe is to be helped! ←

17:16:46 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←

17:16:46 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←

17:16:51 <bijan> next item

next item ←

17:17:03 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:17:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps (muted), Sandro, Ivan, bmotik (muted), IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, stoil, Bijan (muted), Elisa,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps (muted), Sandro, Ivan, bmotik (muted), IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, stoil, Bijan (muted), Elisa, ←

17:17:06 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, Uli (muted), Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan, TommieMeyer (muted), Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, Uli (muted), Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan, TommieMeyer (muted), Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan ←

17:17:19 <bijan> zakim, take up agenda 1

zakim, take up agenda 1 ←

17:17:19 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ADMIN (20 min)" taken up [from alanr]

2. ADMIN (20 min)

17:17:56 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 31 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bijan Parsia Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←

17:17:56 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←

17:17:56 <bijan> Bernadro is attending with me

Bernadro is attending with me ←

17:18:24 <AnneCregan> no worries, mate!

Anne Cregan: no worries, mate! ←

17:18:28 <sandro> Zakim, Bijan has Bernado

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, Bijan has Bernado ←

17:18:28 <Zakim> +Bernado; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bernado; got it ←

17:18:36 <sandro> zakim, list attendees

Sandro Hawke: zakim, list attendees ←

17:18:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pfps, Sandro, Ivan, +018652aaaa, +1.312.052.aabb, IanH, +49.351.4.aacc, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.617.253.aadd, JeffP, alan, MarkusK,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pfps, Sandro, Ivan, +018652aaaa, +1.312.052.aabb, IanH, +49.351.4.aacc, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.617.253.aadd, JeffP, alan, MarkusK, ←

17:18:38 <alanr> next item

Alan Ruttenberg: next item ←

17:18:39 <bijan> next item

next item ←

17:18:40 <Zakim> ... Doug, stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, Conrad, +1.408.774.aaff, Rinke, Evan_Wallace, Achille_Fokoue, Elisa, Joanne_Luciano, Uli, AnneCregan, bmotik, TommieMeyer, +1.301.975.aagg,

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Doug, stoil, +1.301.975.aaee, Conrad, +1.408.774.aaff, Rinke, Evan_Wallace, Achille_Fokoue, Elisa, Joanne_Luciano, Uli, AnneCregan, bmotik, TommieMeyer, +1.301.975.aagg, ←

17:18:44 <Zakim> ... Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan, Bernado

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan, Bernado ←

17:18:48 <stoil> zakim, stoil is GiorgosStoilos

Giorgos Stoilos: zakim, stoil is GiorgosStoilos ←

17:18:48 <Zakim> +GiorgosStoilos; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GiorgosStoilos; got it ←

17:18:58 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q? ←

17:19:18 <stoil> not me

Giorgos Stoilos: not me ←

17:19:19 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me ←

17:19:19 <Zakim> Bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should no longer be muted ←

17:19:24 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q- ←

17:19:32 <bijan> zakim, ack ??p1

zakim, ack ??p1 ←

17:19:32 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see no one on the speaker queue ←

17:19:32 <sandro> zakim, next agenda item

Sandro Hawke: zakim, next agenda item ←

17:19:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Roll call" taken up [from alanr]

3. Roll call

17:19:37 <alanr> q- ??p1

Alan Ruttenberg: q- ??p1 ←

17:19:43 <alanr> next item

Alan Ruttenberg: next item ←

17:19:45 <bijan> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

17:19:45 <Zakim> Bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should now be muted ←

17:19:57 <bijan> next item

next item ←

17:20:16 <bijan> zakim, take up item 3

zakim, take up item 3 ←

17:20:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "PROPOSED regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US" taken up [from alanr]

4. PROPOSED regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US

17:20:20 <pfps> grumble, grumble, but its better than Friday

Peter Patel-Schneider: grumble, grumble, but its better than Friday ←

17:20:34 <bijan> IanH: Anyone have a problem with this time? No, let's move on.

Ian Horrocks: Anyone have a problem with this time? No, let's move on. ←

17:20:44 <Rinke> +1 to pfps

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to pfps ←

17:20:51 <sandro> RESOLVED: regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US

RESOLVED: regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US ←

17:21:23 <bijan> zakim, take up item 4

zakim, take up item 4 ←

17:21:23 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Agenda amendments" taken up [from alanr]

5. Agenda amendments

17:21:26 <AnneCregan> 3am Australian Eastern Standard Time !

Anne Cregan: 3am Australian Eastern Standard Time ! ←

17:21:33 <bijan> IanH: no amendments

Ian Horrocks: no amendments ←

17:21:40 <bijan> zakim, take up item 5

zakim, take up item 5 ←

17:21:40 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Telecons and IRC" taken up [from alanr]

6. Telecons and IRC

17:21:55 <pfps> It is best to sign on to the IRC before you phone in, so that you can see your phone call being added.

Peter Patel-Schneider: It is best to sign on to the IRC before you phone in, so that you can see your phone call being added. ←

17:22:06 <bijan> Sandro: Normally irc logs are public. So we need to decide that

Sandro Hawke: Normally irc logs are public. So we need to decide that ←

17:22:14 <bijan> Ianh

Ianh ←

17:22:16 <pfps> +1 to irc logs being public

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to irc logs being public ←

17:22:17 <sandro> PROPOSED: irc logs default to public

PROPOSED: irc logs default to public ←

17:22:22 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←

17:22:24 <bijan> IanH: Objections? no

Ian Horrocks: Objections? no ←

17:22:25 <AnneCregan> +1

Anne Cregan: +1 ←

17:22:26 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←

17:22:27 <sandro> RESOLVED: irc logs default to public

RESOLVED: irc logs default to public ←

17:22:29 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

17:22:30 <Doug> +1

Doug Lenat: +1 ←

17:22:33 <bmotik> +1

Unknown bmotik: +1 ←

17:22:40 <Joanne> +1

Joanne Luciano: +1 ←

17:22:47 <pfps> (It is a good idea to say what your +1's are for.)

Peter Patel-Schneider: (It is a good idea to say what your +1's are for.) ←

17:22:49 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record public ←

17:23:26 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←

17:23:26 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-irc#T17-23-26

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-irc#T17-23-26 ←

17:24:25 <bijan> next item

next item ←

17:24:32 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Scribe_List

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Scribe_List ←

17:24:40 <sandro> zakim, next item

Sandro Hawke: zakim, next item ←

17:24:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 2 was just opened, sandro ←

17:24:41 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me ←

17:24:41 <Zakim> Bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should no longer be muted ←

17:24:58 <alanr> agenda?

Alan Ruttenberg: agenda? ←

17:25:08 <bijan> next item

next item ←

17:25:24 <stoil> zakim, next item

Giorgos Stoilos: zakim, next item ←

17:25:32 <alanr> close item 2

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 2 ←

17:25:33 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, stoil

Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 2 was just opened, stoil ←

17:25:53 <alanr> close item 3

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 3 ←

17:25:58 <alanr> close item 4

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 4 ←

17:26:05 <bmotik> Zakim, who is muted?

Unknown bmotik: Zakim, who is muted? ←

17:26:05 <Zakim> I see pfps, bmotik, Carsten, MarkusK, Uli, TommieMeyer muted

Zakim IRC Bot: I see pfps, bmotik, Carsten, MarkusK, Uli, TommieMeyer muted ←

17:26:07 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes ←

17:26:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-minutes.html sandro

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-minutes.html sandro ←

17:26:18 <alanr> close item 6

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 6 ←

17:26:37 <bijan> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

17:26:37 <Zakim> Bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should now be muted ←

17:26:38 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record public ←

17:27:10 <alanr> e.g. look at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Agenda

Alan Ruttenberg: e.g. look at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Agenda ←

17:27:10 <bijan> IanH: For scribing, please check the list and let chairs know if you can't make your turn

Ian Horrocks: For scribing, please check the list and let chairs know if you can't make your turn ←

17:27:49 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←

17:27:49 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←

17:28:00 <bijan> alanr: if someone doesn't want to use the wiki for regrets, send email *directly* to Alan Ruttenberg (not to the list)

Alan Ruttenberg: if someone doesn't want to use the wiki for regrets, send email *directly* to Alan Ruttenberg (not to the list) ←

17:28:19 <bijan> pfps: Problem with the wiki involving colons and usernames

Peter Patel-Schneider: Problem with the wiki involving colons and usernames ←

17:28:53 <sandro> ACTION: Alan to clean up User: prefix on wiki

ACTION: Alan to clean up User: prefix on wiki ←

17:29:13 <bijan> MarkusK: Something wikish the scribe can't follow

Markus Krötzsch: Something wikish the scribe can't follow ←

17:29:23 <sandro> Markus: tools like showing all-contributions-of-user require using User: namespace

Markus Krötzsch: tools like showing all-contributions-of-user require using User: namespace [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

17:29:42 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/ ←

17:29:49 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

17:29:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, bmotik (muted), IanH, Rinke, Carsten (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, alan, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, GiorgosStoilos, Bijan (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Sandro, Ivan, bmotik (muted), IanH, Rinke, Carsten (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, alan, MarkusK (muted), Doug, Achille_Fokoue, GiorgosStoilos, Bijan (muted), ←

17:29:52 <Zakim> ... Elisa, Evan_Wallace, Uli (muted), Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan, TommieMeyer (muted), Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Elisa, Evan_Wallace, Uli (muted), Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan, TommieMeyer (muted), Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan ←

17:29:53 <alanr> close item 7

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 7 ←

17:29:55 <Zakim> Bijan has Bernado

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan has Bernado ←

17:30:30 <sandro> Present: pfps, Sandro, Ivan, bmotik, IanH, Rinke, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, alan, Conrad, MarkusK, Doug, Achille_Fokoue, GiorgosStoilos, Bijan, Elisa, Evan_Wallace, Uli, Joanne_Luciano, AnneCregan, TommieMeyer, Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan, Bernado

Scribe problem: the name 'bmotik' does not match any of the 28 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bijan Parsia Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 28 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bijan Parsia Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap

Scribe problem: the name 'Bernado' does not match any of the 28 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bijan Parsia Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap

17:30:52 <bmotik> zakim, what is on the agenda?

Unknown bmotik: zakim, what is on the agenda? ←

17:30:52 <Zakim> I see 14 items remaining on the agenda:

Zakim IRC Bot: I see 14 items remaining on the agenda: ←

17:30:53 <Zakim> 8. Wiki authorship policy [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 8. Wiki authorship policy [from alanr] ←

17:30:54 <Zakim> 9. Charter review (20 min) [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 9. Charter review (20 min) [from alanr] ←

17:30:55 <Zakim> 10. Scope [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 10. Scope [from alanr] ←

17:30:57 <Zakim> 11. Deliverables [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 11. Deliverables [from alanr] ←

17:30:58 <Zakim> 12. Timeline [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 12. Timeline [from alanr] ←

17:30:59 <Zakim> 13. Organisation (20 min) [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 13. Organisation (20 min) [from alanr] ←

17:31:00 <Zakim> 14. Sub-groups to work on deliverables [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 14. Sub-groups to work on deliverables [from alanr] ←

17:31:03 <Zakim> 15. Relationships to other W3C groups (10 min) [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 15. Relationships to other W3C groups (10 min) [from alanr] ←

17:31:06 <Zakim> 16. Choose contact persons [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 16. Choose contact persons [from alanr] ←

17:31:07 <Zakim> 17. Review of the RIF document [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 17. Review of the RIF document [from alanr] ←

17:31:09 <Zakim> 18. Manchester F2F (10 min) [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 18. Manchester F2F (10 min) [from alanr] ←

17:31:10 <Zakim> 19. Estimate attendance [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 19. Estimate attendance [from alanr] ←

17:31:11 <Zakim> 20. Outline objectives [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 20. Outline objectives [from alanr] ←

17:31:13 <Zakim> 21. Additional other business (5 min) [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 21. Additional other business (5 min) [from alanr] ←

17:31:46 <MarkusK> +1 to use proper names for wiki accounts

Markus Krötzsch: +1 to use proper names for wiki accounts ←

17:31:55 <Rinke> +1 idem

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 idem ←

17:32:10 <alanr> peter has to be patelp123

Alan Ruttenberg: peter has to be patelp123 ←

17:32:49 <bijan> discussion about names in wiki names

discussion about names in wiki names ←

17:33:13 <bijan> alanr: if you have issues with your wikiname, contact alanr or sandro *off list*

Alan Ruttenberg: if you have issues with your wikiname, contact alanr or sandro *off list* ←

17:33:28 <bijan> sandro: everyone should create a wiki account in the next few days

Sandro Hawke: everyone should create a wiki account in the next few days ←

17:33:31 <sandro> Sandro: Everyone should go ahead and set up a wiki account in the next few days, using your full name (as on the participants list).

Sandro Hawke: Everyone should go ahead and set up a wiki account in the next few days, using your full name (as on the participants list). [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

17:33:52 <bijan> IanH: Accounts are important because much of the work of the group will be done via the wiki

Ian Horrocks: Accounts are important because much of the work of the group will be done via the wiki ←

17:34:38 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←

17:34:38 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←

17:34:49 <bijan> alanr: Wiki authorship policy: Every page is editable by all users. If you want to protect a page from arbitrary edits *say so on the page*. Default is that all users are free to edit.

Alan Ruttenberg: Wiki authorship policy: Every page is editable by all users. If you want to protect a page from arbitrary edits *say so on the page*. Default is that all users are free to edit. ←

17:34:55 <MarkusK> as wikis track all changes, it is usually easier to undo changes than to make them anyway

Markus Krötzsch: as wikis track all changes, it is usually easier to undo changes than to make them anyway ←

17:35:09 <bijan> alanr: question about who gets write access (e.g., out side of group

Alan Ruttenberg: question about who gets write access (e.g., out side of group ←

17:35:11 <pfps> We might want to have user pages editable by the user only.

Peter Patel-Schneider: We might want to have user pages editable by the user only. ←

17:35:30 <MarkusK> pfps: that is not easy to realise in MediaWiki

Peter Patel-Schneider: that is not easy to realise in MediaWiki [ Scribe Assist by Markus Krötzsch ] ←

17:35:32 <bijan> ... alanr has ambitious plans for using the wiki; e.g., doing the specs there; test cases; etc.

... alanr has ambitious plans for using the wiki; e.g., doing the specs there; test cases; etc. ←

17:35:33 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←

17:35:33 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←

17:36:00 <pfps> I meant that the default community practise is not to edit other people's user pages.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I meant that the default community practise is not to edit other people's user pages. ←

17:36:01 <bijan> sandro: If the edits are friendly, just do it. If you expect disputation, try the talk page first

Sandro Hawke: If the edits are friendly, just do it. If you expect disputation, try the talk page first ←

17:36:12 <bijan> alanr: keep an eye on the recent changes

Alan Ruttenberg: keep an eye on the recent changes ←

17:36:41 <MarkusK> also note that you can watch pages in the wiki, and receive notiifcations if someone changes them

Markus Krötzsch: also note that you can watch pages in the wiki, and receive notiifcations if someone changes them ←

17:37:05 <bijan> I have some experience

I have some experience ←

17:37:09 <bijan> with wikis

with wikis ←

17:37:33 <bijan> pfps: Is the wiki support full html?

Peter Patel-Schneider: Is the wiki support full html? ←

17:38:00 <bijan> ACTION: alanr to check for HTML support in mediawiki, esp. to support the semantics document

ACTION: alanr to check for HTML support in mediawiki, esp. to support the semantics document ←

17:38:05 <MarkusK> @pfps: full HTML is not possible, but you can get most formatting-related stuff

Markus Krötzsch: @pfps: full HTML is not possible, but you can get most formatting-related stuff ←

17:38:10 <pfps> I thought that there was an option to make MH be full HTML.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I thought that there was an option to make MH be full HTML. ←

17:38:26 <sandro> There is -- we can turn on full-HTML in MW.

Sandro Hawke: There is -- we can turn on full-HTML in MW. ←

17:38:40 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←

17:38:40 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←

17:38:46 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me ←

17:38:46 <Zakim> Bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should no longer be muted ←

17:38:58 <bijan> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

17:38:58 <Zakim> Bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should now be muted ←

17:39:03 <alanr> don't know if we want to

Alan Ruttenberg: don't know if we want to ←

17:39:09 <sandro> Alan: Wiki folks -- Sandro, Alan, Markus, Peter

Alan Ruttenberg: Wiki folks -- Sandro, Alan, Markus, Peter [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

17:39:18 <MarkusK> -1 to use talk pages for discussions

Markus Krötzsch: -1 to use talk pages for discussions ←

17:39:28 <alanr> close item 8

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 8 ←

17:40:35 <alanr> close item 9

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 9 ←

17:40:37 <alanr> close item 10

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 10 ←

17:40:41 <alanr> close item 11

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 11 ←

17:40:43 <bijan> IanH: We're not going to do the charter review on the phone -- good homework. Participants shoudl read the charter very carefully and review the input documents for next week

Ian Horrocks: We're not going to do the charter review on the phone -- good homework. Participants shoudl read the charter very carefully and review the input documents for next week ←

17:40:45 <alanr> close item 12

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 12 ←

17:40:48 <bijan> ... and the issues list, etc.

... and the issues list, etc. ←

17:40:52 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

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17:41:28 <vipul> q+

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17:41:40 <bijan> alanr: we need to transistion the various issue lists

Alan Ruttenberg: we need to transistion the various issue lists ←

17:41:44 <bijan> This was my question

This was my question ←

17:41:47 <bijan> or point

or point ←

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17:42:41 <pfps> let's just look at the pointers, what are they?

Peter Patel-Schneider: let's just look at the pointers, what are they? ←

17:43:14 <alanr> http://code.google.com/p/owl1-1/issues/list

Alan Ruttenberg: http://code.google.com/p/owl1-1/issues/list ←

17:43:21 <bijan> IanH: The timeline is aggressive. Need first draft of the deliverables soon. So we need to identify potential land minds. Please review documents with an eye to these landmines.

Ian Horrocks: The timeline is aggressive. Need first draft of the deliverables soon. So we need to identify potential land minds. Please review documents with an eye to these landmines. ←

17:43:25 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html OWL1.0 issues

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html OWL1.0 issues ←

17:43:30 <sandro> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html WebOnt issues (I think)

Sandro Hawke: -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html WebOnt issues (I think) ←

17:43:39 <sandro> heh

Sandro Hawke: heh ←

17:43:43 <ivan> :-)

Ivan Herman: :-) ←

17:43:52 <bijan> who's speaking?

who's speaking? ←

17:44:15 <alanr> charter says: The OWL1.1 member submission, the list of postponed issues of the WebOnt Working Group,

Alan Ruttenberg: charter says: The OWL1.1 member submission, the list of postponed issues of the WebOnt Working Group, ←

17:44:39 <bijan> vipul: Combined issues list is a great idea, but many issues from the origianl list are closed.  What should deal with it?

Vipul Kashyap: Combined issues list is a great idea, but many issues from the origianl list are closed. What should deal with it? ←

17:45:01 <ivan> I agree

Ivan Herman: I agree ←

17:45:01 <bijan> ... Some closed issues weren't *accommodated* but deferred. How do we reopen?

... Some closed issues weren't *accommodated* but deferred. How do we reopen? ←

17:45:20 <bijan> IanH: Prefer to make a new issue for that

Ian Horrocks: Prefer to make a new issue for that ←

17:45:27 <bijan> general agreement

general agreement ←

17:45:47 <bijan> who's speaking? there's noise?

who's speaking? there's noise? ←

17:45:48 <pfps> If you go to the issue list, then to the issue, there should be a Resolution that closed it, and pointers to where the resolution came from.

Peter Patel-Schneider: If you go to the issue list, then to the issue, there should be a Resolution that closed it, and pointers to where the resolution came from. ←

17:46:28 <bijan> vipul: Could the issue transfer person add all the resolutions and rationales?

Vipul Kashyap: Could the issue transfer person add all the resolutions and rationales? ←

17:46:41 <ekw> q+

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17:46:50 <alanr> q- vipul

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17:46:56 <bijan> IanH: prefer that the burden is on participants who want to champion an old closed issue should propose it fresh

Ian Horrocks: prefer that the burden is on participants who want to champion an old closed issue should propose it fresh ←

17:47:23 <bijan> sandro: Note about issues: chairs have discrestion about actually raising issues. Participants propose issues.

Sandro Hawke: Note about issues: chairs have discrestion about actually raising issues. Participants propose issues. ←

17:47:45 <bijan> IanH: We must recall the timeline. So issues are better raised as early as possible.

Ian Horrocks: We must recall the timeline. So issues are better raised as early as possible. ←

17:47:48 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

17:48:34 <ekw> q-

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17:48:38 <sandro> Homework:   two issues lists, charter, owl 1.1 submission

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17:49:08 <vipul> q+

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17:49:09 <bijan> IanH: A proposal for organization: We should have subgroups for the deliverables.

Ian Horrocks: A proposal for organization: We should have subgroups for the deliverables. ←

17:49:27 <bijan> ... And we would use the wiki heavily for the collab document editing/authoring.

... And we would use the wiki heavily for the collab document editing/authoring. ←

17:49:34 <bijan> IanH: Feedback?

Ian Horrocks: Feedback? ←

17:49:41 <ivan> ack vipul

Ivan Herman: ack vipul ←

17:50:06 <bijan> vipul: How to create the subgroups? Divide by technology or by application.

Vipul Kashyap: How to create the subgroups? Divide by technology or by application. ←

17:50:15 <bijan> IanH: We'd divide by *documents*.

Ian Horrocks: We'd divide by *documents*. ←

17:50:19 <sandro> zakim, agenda

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17:50:21 <sandro> zakim, agenda?

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17:50:21 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:

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17:50:22 <Zakim> 13. Organisation (20 min) [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 13. Organisation (20 min) [from alanr] ←

17:50:23 <Zakim> 14. Sub-groups to work on deliverables [from alanr]

Zakim IRC Bot: 14. Sub-groups to work on deliverables [from alanr] ←

17:50:25 <Zakim> 15. Relationships to other W3C groups (10 min) [from alanr]

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17:50:28 <Zakim> 16. Choose contact persons [from alanr]

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17:50:29 <Zakim> 17. Review of the RIF document [from alanr]

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17:50:30 <Zakim> 18. Manchester F2F (10 min) [from alanr]

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17:50:31 <Zakim> 19. Estimate attendance [from alanr]

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17:50:32 <Zakim> 20. Outline objectives [from alanr]

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17:50:34 <Zakim> 21. Additional other business (5 min) [from alanr]

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17:50:38 <sandro> zakim, take up item 14

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17:50:38 <Zakim> agendum 14. "Sub-groups to work on deliverables" taken up [from alanr]

7. Sub-groups to work on deliverables

17:50:42 <bijan> ... i.e., each subgroup is "in charge" of a corresponding document

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17:51:09 <sandro> ack bijan

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17:51:28 <sandro> Bijan: Maybe coordination would be difficult, if it's per-document sub-groups?

Bijan Parsia: Maybe coordination would be difficult, if it's per-document sub-groups? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

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17:52:10 <bijan> IanH: That's a point. If you look at the owl, there's a lot of overlap. Might be good.

Ian Horrocks: That's a point. If you look at the owl, there's a lot of overlap. Might be good. ←

17:52:12 <sandro> Ian: If you look at the OWL spec, you'll see there's lots of overlap between them, so ... yes, lots of overlap ... good thing?  bad thing?     different documents for different audiences?

Ian Horrocks: If you look at the OWL spec, you'll see there's lots of overlap between them, so ... yes, lots of overlap ... good thing? bad thing? different documents for different audiences? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

17:52:23 <bijan> I meant more that e.g., syntax changes affect the semantics document

I meant more that e.g., syntax changes affect the semantics document ←

17:52:43 <sandro> Joanne: How about people dedicated to cross-checking documents?

Joanne Luciano: How about people dedicated to cross-checking documents? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

17:52:44 <bijan> Joanne: Useful for getting crosschecks

Joanne Luciano: Useful for getting crosschecks ←

17:52:51 <ekw> Describing the same things in different ways for different audiences is good.

Unknown ekw: Describing the same things in different ways for different audiences is good. ←

17:53:17 <bijan> I agree, but this is orthogonal to my point that the *language* decisions are separate

I agree, but this is orthogonal to my point that the *language* decisions are separate ←

17:53:38 <bijan> vipul: Can we have an overarching example or use case to drive the documents.

Vipul Kashyap: Can we have an overarching example or use case to drive the documents. ←

17:53:48 <sandro> Vipul: would it make sense to have an over-arching use case to drive the documents?

Vipul Kashyap: would it make sense to have an over-arching use case to drive the documents? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

17:53:50 <bijan> IanH: We do have a requirements document deliverable

Ian Horrocks: We do have a requirements document deliverable ←

17:53:55 <alanr> Added http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Issues and sidebar link under inputs: Issues

Alan Ruttenberg: Added http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Issues and sidebar link under inputs: Issues ←

17:54:17 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←

17:54:21 <ekw> Language design decisions should be the responsibility of the WG

Unknown ekw: Language design decisions should be the responsibility of the WG ←

17:54:55 <bijan> ... but requirements can eat up a lot of time so we can't presume that the other documents can wait on them.

... but requirements can eat up a lot of time so we can't presume that the other documents can wait on them. ←

17:55:15 <bijan> ... any objections?

... any objections? ←

17:55:45 <vipul> q+

Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←

17:56:03 <sandro> ack alanr

Sandro Hawke: ack alanr ←

17:56:08 <bijan> alanr: I agree with Ian that we have a clear set of goals for the language extensions (originally motivated from OWLED), but don't want to close off new use cases. Given the timeline, if you think there's something missing based on a use case

Alan Ruttenberg: I agree with Ian that we have a clear set of goals for the language extensions (originally motivated from OWLED), but don't want to close off new use cases. Given the timeline, if you think there's something missing based on a use case ←

17:56:16 <AnneCregan> I think we have a very clear set of goals and we don't need to mill around considering requirements and use cases

Anne Cregan: I think we have a very clear set of goals and we don't need to mill around considering requirements and use cases ←

17:56:17 <bijan> ... please bring it to group attention

... please bring it to group attention ←

17:56:37 <bijan> q+

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17:57:01 <sandro> ack vipul

Sandro Hawke: ack vipul ←

17:57:03 <Rinke> +1 to alanr's remarks

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to alanr's remarks ←

17:57:12 <bijan> what's the construct?

what's the construct? ←

17:57:32 <cbock> Logging off

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17:58:04 <bijan> Can we defer some of these discussion to the mailing list?

Can we defer some of these discussion to the mailing list? ←

17:58:14 <bijan> Oh I see

Oh I see ←

17:58:36 <bijan> vipul: Perhaps a table mapping constructs to use cases? I.e., how each cosntruct meet the use cases

Vipul Kashyap: Perhaps a table mapping constructs to use cases? I.e., how each cosntruct meet the use cases ←

17:59:06 <bijan> alanr: A user guide could incorporate that. It would be a good idea to have this connectability in the guide.

Alan Ruttenberg: A user guide could incorporate that. It would be a good idea to have this connectability in the guide. ←

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18:00:42 <alanr> opinion: #2

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18:01:16 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←

18:01:25 <bijan> Bijan: Are subgroups "merely" editors or do they advance the technical work

Bijan Parsia: Are subgroups "merely" editors or do they advance the technical work ←

18:01:27 <alanr> q- alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: q- alanr ←

18:01:34 <alanr> q- bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: q- bijan ←

18:01:35 <bijan> IanH: function as traditional editors

Ian Horrocks: function as traditional editors ←

18:01:50 <AnneCregan> Just clarify - I'm open to new use cases if needed

Anne Cregan: Just clarify - I'm open to new use cases if needed ←

18:01:54 <alanr> do we need a resolution here?

Alan Ruttenberg: do we need a resolution here? ←

18:01:59 <bijan> So, we use the traditional proposal mechanism via email?

So, we use the traditional proposal mechanism via email? ←

18:02:01 <alanr> anne: yess

Anne Cregan: yess [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←

18:02:33 <alanr> +2

Alan Ruttenberg: +2 ←

18:02:45 <JeffP> +1 to keep it an hour

Jeff Pan: +1 to keep it an hour ←

18:02:57 <pfps> +1 do all decisions be made by the full group, but I expect that the subgroups will be ironing out details that will be ratified later

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 do all decisions be made by the full group, but I expect that the subgroups will be ironing out details that will be ratified later ←

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18:03:05 <bijan> I think that only an hour is hopeless

I think that only an hour is hopeless ←

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18:03:32 <achille> +1 do all decisions be made by the full group

Achille Fokoue: +1 do all decisions be made by the full group ←

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18:04:18 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

18:04:39 <alanr> close item 13

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 13 ←

18:04:43 <alanr> close item 14

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 14 ←

18:04:58 <bijan> IanH: There are a bunch of WG to coordinate with. People should look at the related groups in the charter and people should see if they are interested to be the contact person for select group

Ian Horrocks: There are a bunch of WG to coordinate with. People should look at the related groups in the charter and people should see if they are interested to be the contact person for select group ←

18:05:37 <pfps> there is supposed to be a new RIF BLD draft out this week.  I'm planning on looking at it.  Are we going to make review of this doc a part of this WG's process?

Peter Patel-Schneider: there is supposed to be a new RIF BLD draft out this week. I'm planning on looking at it. Are we going to make review of this doc a part of this WG's process? ←

18:05:47 <bijan> alanr: The role of the contact person is to monitor the target group activity for things which might affect owl and informing them about things from owl that might affect them.

Alan Ruttenberg: The role of the contact person is to monitor the target group activity for things which might affect owl and informing them about things from owl that might affect them. ←

18:06:21 <bijan> alanr: Reviewing the RIF BLD should be an activity of owlwg. Peter would be a good person to do that.

Alan Ruttenberg: Reviewing the RIF BLD should be an activity of owlwg. Peter would be a good person to do that. ←

18:06:39 <pfps> OK by me, as I'm going to read it anyway, but they might not like what I have to say.  :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK by me, as I'm going to read it anyway, but they might not like what I have to say. :-) ←

18:06:45 <bijan> q+

q+ ←

18:07:05 <pfps> I'm also willing to produce a personal review and a WG review.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm also willing to produce a personal review and a WG review. ←

18:07:21 <bijan> sandro: Whenever we do a review as a group, we generally delegate but they can publish that individually or as a group. A group decision is needed for the latter

Sandro Hawke: Whenever we do a review as a group, we generally delegate but they can publish that individually or as a group. A group decision is needed for the latter ←

18:07:33 <bijan> IanH: Everyone is personally welcome to review RIF

Ian Horrocks: Everyone is personally welcome to review RIF ←

18:07:42 <pfps> Ask the people who were in RDF Core.  :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: Ask the people who were in RDF Core. :-) ←

18:08:02 <alanr> PROPOSED there will be WG Review of RIF BLD

Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED there will be WG Review of RIF BLD ←

18:08:14 <bijan> sandro: It's a lot of wg work to do a group review

Sandro Hawke: It's a lot of wg work to do a group review ←

18:08:29 <bijan> IanH: but given the importance of the relationahip it's worth doing a group review

Ian Horrocks: but given the importance of the relationahip it's worth doing a group review ←

18:08:35 <bijan> q- that was what I was going to say

q- that was what I was going to say ←

18:08:39 <bijan> q-

q- ←

18:08:40 <alanr> close item 15

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 15 ←

18:08:58 <bijan> RESOLVED there will be WG review of RIF BLD

RESOLVED there will be WG review of RIF BLD ←

18:09:20 <bijan> ACTION: pfps to produce a draft review of the RIF BLD

ACTION: pfps to produce a draft review of the RIF BLD ←

18:09:35 <pfps> but it might be a good idea to get our dibs in so that there might be changes before publication.

Peter Patel-Schneider: but it might be a good idea to get our dibs in so that there might be changes before publication. ←

18:09:52 <bijan> sandro: publishing morotoriam meants that the BLD will not formally published for a few weeks

Sandro Hawke: publishing morotoriam meants that the BLD will not formally published for a few weeks ←

18:09:56 <alanr> +1 to pfps dibs

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to pfps dibs ←

18:10:21 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

18:10:33 <sandro> ACTION: Peter to Review the RIF BLD draft and report back to OWL-WG for discussion

ACTION: Peter to Review the RIF BLD draft and report back to OWL-WG for discussion ←

18:10:57 <alanr> postpone item 16

Alan Ruttenberg: postpone item 16 ←

18:11:09 <alanr> close item 16 take it up next week

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 16 take it up next week ←

18:11:18 <alanr> close item 16

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 16 ←

18:11:21 <sandro> sorry, Bijan!

Sandro Hawke: sorry, Bijan! ←

18:11:30 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

18:11:31 <alanr> close item 17

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 17 ←

18:11:31 <sandro> (I think just manually fix it later)

Sandro Hawke: (I think just manually fix it later) ←

18:11:33 <ekw> I will attend FTF1

Unknown ekw: I will attend FTF1 ←

18:11:35 <pfps> I'll be there

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll be there ←

18:11:36 <ivan> yes

Ivan Herman: yes ←

18:11:37 <JeffP> possible

Jeff Pan: possible ←

18:11:37 <bijan> Ok

Ok ←

18:11:38 <alanr> f2f yes

Alan Ruttenberg: f2f yes ←

18:11:38 <sandro> +1 mancheseter

Sandro Hawke: +1 mancheseter ←

18:11:40 <bmotik> yes

Unknown bmotik: yes ←

18:11:41 <Doug> sorry 50-50

Doug Lenat: sorry 50-50 ←

18:11:41 <Rinke> yes (most likely)

Rinke Hoekstra: yes (most likely) ←

18:11:41 <AnneCregan> No

Anne Cregan: No ←

18:11:45 <bijan> bernardo and bijan are

bernardo and bijan are ←

18:11:46 <Tommie> regrettably no

Tommie Meyer: regrettably no ←

18:11:48 <Carsten> yes

Unknown Carsten: yes ←

18:11:49 <vipul> No, Sorry!

Vipul Kashyap: No, Sorry! ←

18:11:50 <MarkusK> yes

Markus Krötzsch: yes ←

18:11:52 <stoil> possible

Giorgos Stoilos: possible ←

18:11:53 <achille> not sure yet

Achille Fokoue: not sure yet ←

18:12:10 <alanr> who is stoil?

Alan Ruttenberg: who is stoil? ←

18:12:20 <JeffP> Giorgos Stoilos

Jeff Pan: Giorgos Stoilos ←

18:12:32 <pfps> you can set up a poll (vote?)

Peter Patel-Schneider: you can set up a poll (vote?) ←

18:12:39 <alanr> close item 18

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 18 ←

18:12:45 <alanr> close item 19

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 19 ←

18:13:09 <bijan> IanH: Objectives of the f2f: Time is pressing (again). F2F can get a lot of work done.

Ian Horrocks: Objectives of the f2f: Time is pressing (again). F2F can get a lot of work done. ←

18:13:12 <bijan> q+

q+ ←

18:13:43 <bijan> alanr: A big concern is getting everyone up to speed technically on all aspects of the documents.

Alan Ruttenberg: A big concern is getting everyone up to speed technically on all aspects of the documents. ←

18:13:59 <bijan> ... so we should find out how much tutorialness is needed

... so we should find out how much tutorialness is needed ←

18:14:59 <bijan> ... an example, I didn't understand declarations until talking to people. How many issues are like that? How much prep should we do

... an example, I didn't understand declarations until talking to people. How many issues are like that? How much prep should we do ←

18:15:32 <bijan> IanH: People should feel free to ask questions on the mailing list, esp. if there's something they don't understand.

Ian Horrocks: People should feel free to ask questions on the mailing list, esp. if there's something they don't understand. ←

18:15:38 <bijan> no

no ←

18:15:42 <alanr> close item 20

Alan Ruttenberg: close item 20 ←

18:15:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me ←

18:15:50 <Zakim> Bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should no longer be muted ←

18:15:55 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

18:16:34 <bijan> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

18:16:34 <Zakim> Bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should now be muted ←

18:16:43 <pfps> +1 to having some documents for discussion at F2F1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to having some documents for discussion at F2F1 ←

18:17:14 <Doug> good!

Doug Lenat: good! ←

18:17:15 <bijan> Bijan: Are we aiming for FWD before the f2f or decide there? what's the publication schedule.

Bijan Parsia: Are we aiming for FWD before the f2f or decide there? what's the publication schedule. ←

18:17:28 <bijan> IanH: we'll take that up next week. I'll add it on the agenda.

Ian Horrocks: we'll take that up next week. I'll add it on the agenda. ←

18:17:37 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

18:17:41 <bijan> q-

q- ←

18:17:45 <bijan> q-

q- ←

18:17:46 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←

18:17:52 <sandro> ack ivan

Sandro Hawke: ack ivan ←

18:17:57 <bijan> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

18:17:57 <Zakim> Bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan should now be muted ←

18:17:57 <alanr> minutes to be posted at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes (even if just a link to log)

Alan Ruttenberg: minutes to be posted at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes (even if just a link to log) ←

18:17:58 <sandro> zakim, mute Bijan

Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute Bijan ←

18:17:59 <Zakim> Bijan was already muted, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan was already muted, sandro ←

18:18:26 <bijan> ivan: have the local arrangements page been updated?

Ivan Herman: have the local arrangements page been updated? ←

18:18:35 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F ←

18:18:40 <bijan> IanH: Yes. There is a new la page linked from the wiki

Ian Horrocks: Yes. There is a new la page linked from the wiki ←

18:18:57 <JeffP> +1 bye

Jeff Pan: +1 bye ←

18:19:00 <pfps> Bye.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Bye. ←

18:19:00 <Zakim> -Uli

Zakim IRC Bot: -Uli ←

18:19:03 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←

18:19:03 <bmotik> bye

Unknown bmotik: bye ←

18:19:05 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

18:19:07 <Zakim> -MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK ←

18:19:07 <Doug> bye

Doug Lenat: bye ←

18:19:09 <Zakim> -bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik ←

18:19:10 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Jeff_Pan ←

18:19:11 <Zakim> -GiorgosStoilos

Zakim IRC Bot: -GiorgosStoilos ←

18:19:11 <Rinke> bye

Rinke Hoekstra: bye ←

18:19:14 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap ←

18:19:15 <AnneCregan> bye

Anne Cregan: bye ←

18:19:15 <Zakim> -Elisa

Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa ←

18:19:16 <Zakim> -Achille_Fokoue

Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille_Fokoue ←

18:19:17 <Zakim> -Doug

Zakim IRC Bot: -Doug ←

18:19:19 <Zakim> -Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: -Carsten ←

18:19:20 <Zakim> -TommieMeyer

Zakim IRC Bot: -TommieMeyer ←

18:19:22 <Zakim> -AnneCregan

Zakim IRC Bot: -AnneCregan ←

18:19:23 <Tommie> bye

Tommie Meyer: bye ←

18:19:24 <Zakim> -Rinke

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←

18:19:25 <Zakim> -pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←

18:19:36 <achille> -achille

Achille Fokoue: -achille ←

18:19:42 <bijan> I forget what I have to do re: mintues now

I forget what I have to do re: mintues now ←

18:19:44 <alanr> zakim, who is on the call?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is on the call? ←

18:19:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, IanH, alan, Bijan (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, IanH, alan, Bijan (muted) ←

18:19:44 <IanH> zakim, who is on the phone

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is on the phone ←

18:19:45 <Zakim> Bijan has Bernado

Zakim IRC Bot: Bijan has Bernado ←

18:19:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', IanH ←

18:19:54 <alanr> who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: who is here? ←

18:20:00 <alanr> zakim, who ?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who ? ←

18:20:00 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, alanr.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, alanr. ←

18:20:04 <Zakim> -Bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bijan ←

18:20:09 <alanr> zakim, who is on the call?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is on the call? ←

18:20:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, IanH, alan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, IanH, alan ←

18:20:33 <alanr> sandro?

Alan Ruttenberg: sandro? ←

18:26:12 <achille> leave

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Achille Fokoue: leave ←

18:33:51 <sandro> alanr?

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Sandro Hawke: alanr? ←

18:35:33 <alanr> we're on the call, but almost finished

Alan Ruttenberg: we're on the call, but almost finished ←

18:35:53 <alanr> did the minutes get closed? Can you?

Alan Ruttenberg: did the minutes get closed? Can you? ←

18:37:16 <Zakim> -alan

Zakim IRC Bot: -alan ←

18:37:18 <Zakim> -IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←

18:37:23 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←

18:37:25 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended ←

18:37:26 <Zakim> Attendees were pfps, Sandro, Ivan, +018652aaaa, +1.312.052.aabb, IanH, +49.351.4.aacc, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.617.253.aadd, JeffP, alan, MarkusK, Doug, +1.301.975.aaee, Conrad,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were pfps, Sandro, Ivan, +018652aaaa, +1.312.052.aabb, IanH, +49.351.4.aacc, Carsten, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.617.253.aadd, JeffP, alan, MarkusK, Doug, +1.301.975.aaee, Conrad, ←

18:37:31 <Zakim> ... +1.408.774.aaff, Rinke, Evan_Wallace, Achille_Fokoue, Elisa, Joanne_Luciano, Uli, AnneCregan, bmotik, TommieMeyer, +1.301.975.aagg, Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan, Bernado,

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.408.774.aaff, Rinke, Evan_Wallace, Achille_Fokoue, Elisa, Joanne_Luciano, Uli, AnneCregan, bmotik, TommieMeyer, +1.301.975.aagg, Conrad_Bock, Jeff_Pan, Bernado, ←

18:37:34 <Zakim> ... GiorgosStoilos

Zakim IRC Bot: ... GiorgosStoilos ←

18:38:39 <alanr> sandro: how to create minutes?

Sandro Hawke: how to create minutes? [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←

18:40:08 <sandro> Bijan should know.

Sandro Hawke: Bijan should know. ←

18:40:29 <sandro> run the irc log through scribe.perl.

Sandro Hawke: run the irc log through scribe.perl. ←

18:40:32 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes ←

18:40:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-minutes.html sandro

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-owl-minutes.html sandro ←

18:40:48 <sandro> that will do it, but then he'll want to edit it and e-mail it.

Sandro Hawke: that will do it, but then he'll want to edit it and e-mail it. ←

18:41:35 <alanr> ok thanks

Alan Ruttenberg: ok thanks ←

18:41:53 <sandro> he may want to edit the irc log first, and then run it through scribe.perl himself, either on his own machine or using http://www.w3.org/2005/02/minutes

Sandro Hawke: he may want to edit the irc log first, and then run it through scribe.perl himself, either on his own machine or using http://www.w3.org/2005/02/minutes ←

18:51:04 <bijan> So, do I get regrets from some wikipage?

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So, do I get regrets from some wikipage? ←

18:51:10 <bijan> or just go through the mailing list?

or just go through the mailing list? ←

18:51:20 <sandro> They should be on the Agenda wiki page, at the bottom.

Sandro Hawke: They should be on the Agenda wiki page, at the bottom. ←

18:51:29 <bijan> And should I just send to the list when finished or directly to you or alan?

And should I just send to the list when finished or directly to you or alan? ←

18:51:58 <sandro> directly to the list

Sandro Hawke: directly to the list ←

18:52:21 <bijan> Do I upload it to the wiki as well?

Do I upload it to the wiki as well? ←

18:52:27 <bijan> Or shall you be doing that?

Or shall you be doing that? ←

18:52:54 <sandro> For now, I think we'll just link to the mail archives from the wiki.

Sandro Hawke: For now, I think we'll just link to the mail archives from the wiki. ←

18:53:00 <bijan> Ok

Ok ←

18:53:13 <sandro> (We'll need to sort out whether/how we want to do arbitrary HTML on the wiki.)

Sandro Hawke: (We'll need to sort out whether/how we want to do arbitrary HTML on the wiki.) ←

18:53:24 <bijan> Sure

Sure ←

18:53:36 <bijan> But arbitrary html in the mailing list sort of bites, too

But arbitrary html in the mailing list sort of bites, too ←

18:53:49 <bijan> ta

ta ←

19:00:26 <bijan> alanr ?

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alanr ? ←

19:02:39 <bijan> nm

nm ←

19:04:05 <alanr> back

Alan Ruttenberg: back ←

19:08:30 <bijan> Yeah, we need to figure out what was up with zakim

Yeah, we need to figure out what was up with zakim ←

19:08:40 <bijan> there are some topics caught by scribe.pl

there are some topics caught by scribe.pl ←

19:08:43 <bijan> but most are missing

but most are missing ←

19:08:59 <bijan>

←

19:08:59 <bijan> 	1.	ADMIN (20 min)

1. ADMIN (20 min) ←

19:08:59 <bijan> 	2.	Roll call

2. Roll call ←

19:08:59 <bijan> 	3.	PROPOSED regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US

3. PROPOSED regular telecon time Wednesday 1300 East US ←

19:08:59 <bijan> 	4.	Agenda amendments

4. Agenda amendments ←

19:09:00 <bijan> 	5.	Telecons and IRC

5. Telecons and IRC ←

19:09:02 <bijan> 	6.	Sub-groups to work on deliverables

6. Sub-groups to work on deliverables ←

19:22:29 <alanr> perhaps cut and paste irc buffer. Shall I send that to you?

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Alan Ruttenberg: perhaps cut and paste irc buffer. Shall I send that to you? ←

19:23:24 <alanr> wtf, just sent it to you. can't hurt...

Alan Ruttenberg: wtf, just sent it to you. can't hurt... ←

19:24:44 <alanr> continue via email. I'm signing off now

Alan Ruttenberg: continue via email. I'm signing off now ←

19:24:45 <bijan> Oh I have the log

Oh I have the log ←

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