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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 July 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.07.13
Present
Ashok Malhotra, Sandro Hawke, Andrei Sambra, Arnaud Le Hors, Ted Thibodeau, Henry Story, David Wood, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Miguel Aragón
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Ashok Malhotra
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29 link
Topics
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13:56:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:56:51 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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13:56:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:52 <trackbot> Date: 13 July 2015
13:59:21 <Arnaud> present+ Arnaud

Arnaud Le Hors: present+ Arnaud

14:02:24 <TallTed> present+ TallTed

Ted Thibodeau: present+ TallTed

14:03:01 <Arnaud> present+ ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: present+ ashok

14:03:21 <davidwood> Zakim, why won't you let me in?

David Wood: Zakim, why won't you let me in?

14:03:21 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, davidwood.

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14:03:34 <davidwood> Zakim, I know.

David Wood: Zakim, I know.

14:03:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I know', davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'I know', davidwood

14:03:46 <Arnaud> we're on webex david

Arnaud Le Hors: we're on webex david

14:03:53 <davidwood> Ah. Thanks.

David Wood: Ah. Thanks.

14:04:08 <Arnaud> link on the agenda

Arnaud Le Hors: link on the agenda

14:04:20 <Arnaud> or number

Arnaud Le Hors: or number

14:05:29 <Arnaud> Pchampin, are you going to join the call?

Arnaud Le Hors: Pchampin, are you going to join the call?

14:08:20 <Arnaud> but joining?

Arnaud Le Hors: but joining?

14:08:24 <deiu> Yes

Andrei Sambra: Yes

14:08:28 <Arnaud> good

Arnaud Le Hors: good

14:09:19 <Pchampin> Trying to

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Trying to

14:09:36 <Arnaud> webex not working?

Arnaud Le Hors: webex not working?

14:09:45 <Arnaud> you can dial in directly

Arnaud Le Hors: you can dial in directly

14:10:36 <sandro> present+ Sandro

Sandro Hawke: present+ Sandro

14:10:44 <deiu> Do we have the webex details somewhere?

Andrei Sambra: Do we have the webex details somewhere?

14:10:44 <MiguelAraCo> present+ MiguelAraCo

Miguel Aragón: present+ MiguelAraCo

14:10:53 <Ashok> present+ Ashok Malhotra

Ashok Malhotra: present+ Ashok Malhotra

14:11:14 <Arnaud> ** WebEx ** (for audio): https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53   To join by phone: +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number   Access code/Meeting number: 649 866 245

Arnaud Le Hors: ** WebEx ** (for audio): https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53 To join by phone: +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code/Meeting number: 649 866 245

14:11:53 <deiu> present+ deiu

Andrei Sambra: present+ deiu

14:12:24 <Ashok> scribenick:  Ashok

(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)

<ashok> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.07.13
<ashok> chair: Arnaud
14:13:11 <Ashok> Arnaud:  This may be the last call for LDP WG

Arnaud Le Hors: This may be the last call for LDP WG

14:13:16 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

14:13:16 <Zakim> sorry, TallTed, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TallTed, I don't know what conference this is

14:13:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see bblfish, Ashok, davidwood, Pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, TallTed, Arnaud, deiu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bblfish, Ashok, davidwood, Pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, TallTed, Arnaud, deiu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves

14:13:24 <Ashok> Topic:  Minutes from last call

1. Minutes from last call

14:13:58 <Ashok> proposal: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29

PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29

14:14:01 <Arnaud> resolved: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29

RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29

14:14:12 <Ashok> Minute approved without objection

Minute approved without objection

14:14:32 <Arnaud> action-162?

Arnaud Le Hors: ACTION-162?

14:14:32 <trackbot> action-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN

14:14:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162

14:14:37 <Ashok> Topic:  Action Items

2. Action Items

14:14:56 <Ashok> action-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN [10:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162

ACTION-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN [10:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162

14:15:08 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Let's close this

Arnaud Le Hors: Let's close this

14:15:57 <Ashok> Topic:  LD Patch

3. LD Patch

14:16:23 <Ashok> We decided on last call to publish LDP Patch as a WG Note

We decided on last call to publish LDP Patch as a WG Note

14:16:49 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Can be picked up and turned into a rec track doc in the future

Arnaud Le Hors: Can be picked up and turned into a rec track doc in the future

14:18:53 <Ashok> ... We don't have an implementation report from Alexandre.  Even if we get this we will have 2 implementtaion without any prospect of more implementations.

... We don't have an implementation report from Alexandre. Even if we get this we will have 2 implementtaion without any prospect of more implementations.

14:19:13 <nmihindu> present+ nmihindu

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: present+ nmihindu

14:19:24 <Ashok> ... So, it seemed best to publish as a WG Note.  Not published yet.

... So, it seemed best to publish as a WG Note. Not published yet.

14:20:54 <Ashok> ... We need to prepare the siurce for the Note.  Need to change the status section.

... We need to prepare the siurce for the Note. Need to change the status section.

14:21:05 <deiu> q+

Andrei Sambra: q+

14:21:18 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

14:22:07 <Ashok> Andrie:  I will take an action to change the document to a WG Note

Andrei Sambra: I will take an action to change the document to a WG Note

14:24:22 <Ashok> PChampin:  I hope we can pick up the work and take it further later

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I hope we can pick up the work and take it further later

14:24:54 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Yes, that is possible.  Some folks at IBM are interested.

Arnaud Le Hors: Yes, that is possible. Some folks at IBM are interested.

14:25:22 <Ashok> Topic:  LDP Next CG

4. LDP Next CG

14:26:16 <Ashok> Arnaud:  There is not enough interest to recharter the WG ... so we should go with the CG

Arnaud Le Hors: There is not enough interest to recharter the WG ... so we should go with the CG

14:27:51 <Ashok> Ashok:  About 8 people responded to my note re. rechartering the WG

Ashok Malhotra: About 8 people responded to my note re. rechartering the WG

14:28:14 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:28:26 <Ashok> Arnaud:  It has been an uphill battle

Arnaud Le Hors: It has been an uphill battle

14:29:04 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:29:36 <Arnaud> present+ bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: present+ bblfish

14:31:43 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Does not seem to be enough support.

Arnaud Le Hors: Does not seem to be enough support.

14:32:16 <Ashok> ... so we should create a CG and continue the work

... so we should create a CG and continue the work

14:32:59 <Ashok> ... and if we make some progress we could go back to to W3M and request that a WG be started

... and if we make some progress we could go back to to W3M and request that a WG be started

14:33:16 <deiu> +0 (we could wait a bit to see if LDP gets traction)

Andrei Sambra: +0 (we could wait a bit to see if LDP gets traction)

14:34:00 <sandro> such as?

Sandro Hawke: such as?

14:34:05 <sandro> (competative approaches?)

Sandro Hawke: (competative approaches?)

14:34:18 <Ashok> DavidWood:  We need to demonstarte compelling usecases ... there are also some competitive approaches

David Wood: We need to demonstarte compelling usecases ... there are also some competitive approaches

14:34:21 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

14:35:07 <Ashok> Sandro:  I think we need to appeal to a broader audience

Sandro Hawke: I think we need to appeal to a broader audience

14:35:15 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:35:59 <Ashok> Sandro:  I am disappointed with the uptake

Sandro Hawke: I am disappointed with the uptake

14:36:18 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:36:27 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Do you know why the uptake has been limited.

Arnaud Le Hors: Do you know why the uptake has been limited.

14:36:35 <Ashok> Sandro:  Not really

Sandro Hawke: Not really

14:37:35 <davidwood> This blog post gives a thoughtful, and useful, perspective on RDF, JSON-LD and Linked Data in general. It discusses experiences with Google’s JSON API description language. http://www.infoq.com/articles/programming-semantic-profiles

David Wood: This blog post gives a thoughtful, and useful, perspective on RDF, JSON-LD and Linked Data in general. It discusses experiences with Google’s JSON API description language. http://www.infoq.com/articles/programming-semantic-profiles

14:37:36 <Ashok> Henry:  We need Access Control and some other items ... people are working in silos

Henry Story: We need Access Control and some other items ... people are working in silos

14:39:10 <davidwood> +1 to Henry: Don't try to teach logic to "HTML developers". The industry has voted for years to push that to JS.

David Wood: +1 to Henry: Don't try to teach logic to "HTML developers". The industry has voted for years to push that to JS.

14:39:29 <davidwood> q+

David Wood: q+

14:39:35 <bblfish> oops

Henry Story: oops

14:39:45 <bblfish> bad connection here in London :-)

Henry Story: bad connection here in London :-)

14:39:58 <Arnaud> ack davidwood

Arnaud Le Hors: ack davidwood

14:43:28 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:43:49 <Ashok> Arnaud:  What should the name of the CG be?  LDP Next?  LDP Next Generation?

Arnaud Le Hors: What should the name of the CG be? LDP Next? LDP Next Generation?

14:43:57 <bblfish> SoLiD

Henry Story: SoLiD

14:44:06 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:44:11 <Ashok> ... may be change course a bit

... may be change course a bit

14:44:48 <deiu> -1 to calling it "solid"

Andrei Sambra: -1 to calling it "solid"

14:45:08 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

14:45:41 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

14:47:17 <Ashok> DavidWood:  People are adding new capabilities to REST

David Wood: People are adding new capabilities to REST

14:47:56 <deiu> Yes

Andrei Sambra: Yes

14:48:08 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Andrie can you create a CG for us?

Arnaud Le Hors: Andrei can you create a CG for us?

14:48:33 <deiu> s/Andrie/Andrei/g
14:50:01 <sandro> It's a platform in the sense the Open Web Platform is a platform

Sandro Hawke: It's a platform in the sense the Open Web Platform is a platform

14:50:33 <sandro> or close to it.

Sandro Hawke: or close to it.

14:52:17 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:52:27 <davidwood> q+ to respond to Ashok

David Wood: q+ to respond to Ashok

14:52:46 <Ashok> Ashok:  Perhaps loosen the link between RDF and LDP?

Ashok Malhotra: Perhaps loosen the link between RDF and LDP?

14:52:53 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:52:55 <sandro> -1 to making the CG open.   Better to keep it focused and let it die on that mission.

Sandro Hawke: -1 to making the CG open. Better to keep it focused and let it die on that mission.

14:53:17 <Ashok> Arnaud: Yes, perhaps a fresh approach would help

Arnaud Le Hors: Yes, perhaps a fresh approach would help

14:53:27 <Ashok> Henry:  Name for CG?

Henry Story: Name for CG?

14:53:36 <sandro> +1 "LDP Next"

Sandro Hawke: +1 "LDP Next"

14:53:50 <Ashok> Arnaud:  LDP Next or LDP Next Gen

Arnaud Le Hors: LDP Next or LDP Next Gen

14:53:51 <bblfish> +1 ldp-next-gen

Henry Story: +1 ldp-next-gen

14:54:52 <Arnaud> ack davidwood

Arnaud Le Hors: ack davidwood

14:54:52 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to respond to Ashok

Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood, you wanted to respond to Ashok

14:54:52 <deiu> q+

Andrei Sambra: q+

14:54:54 <sandro> TallTed, IMHO LDP *is* a whole set of protocols, not just one.

Sandro Hawke: TallTed, IMHO LDP *is* a whole set of protocols, not just one.

14:55:16 <Ashok> Sandro:  We should have a focussed mission for the CG ... otherwise it will thrash

Sandro Hawke: We should have a focussed mission for the CG ... otherwise it will thrash

14:56:33 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

14:56:54 <TallTed> sandro - yes, exactly.  LDP is not Linked Data Protocol, it is Linked Data Platform.  http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page , http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/REC-ldp-20150226/

Ted Thibodeau: sandro - yes, exactly. LDP is not Linked Data Protocol, it is Linked Data Platform. http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page , http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/REC-ldp-20150226/

14:57:40 <Ashok> Andrei:  Not sure we have a focussed direction for CG yet ... perhaps wait a bit and discuss on the mailing list

Andrei Sambra: Not sure we have a focussed direction for CG yet ... perhaps wait a bit and discuss on the mailing list

14:58:08 <Ashok> Arnaud:  If we wait too long, nothing will happen.  The charter can be flexible.

Arnaud Le Hors: If we wait tooo long, nothing will happen. The charter can be flexible.

14:58:19 <Ashok> s/to/too/
14:58:58 <sandro> CG charter == "Explore what to do following on from LDP."   Period.

Sandro Hawke: CG charter == "Explore what to do following on from LDP." Period.

14:58:58 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Once CG is started, the mission can be changed ... better not to wait too long

Arnaud Le Hors: Once CG is started, the mission can be changed ... better not to wait too long

14:59:30 <Ashok> ... danger of losing those who a currently interested.

... danger of losing those who a currently interested.

15:00:35 <deiu> Big thanks to Arnaud for doing a great job of chairing LDP!

Andrei Sambra: Big thanks to Arnaud for doing a great job of chairing LDP!

15:00:37 <Ashok> Arnaud:  It has been 3 years ... I think we did a good job of taking people's needs into account

Arnaud Le Hors: It has been 3 years ... I think we did a good job of taking people's needs into account

15:00:59 <davidwood> Sincere thanks to Arnaud

David Wood: Sincere thanks to Arnaud

15:01:01 <Ashok> Arnaud:  This is the last call.

Arnaud Le Hors: This is the last call.

15:01:19 <Ashok> ... we will still have a mailing list

... we will still have a mailing list

15:01:48 <Ashok> Sandro:  Wiki will get frozen after a while but we can hold off for a while.

Sandro Hawke: Wiki will get frozen after a while but we can hold off for a while.

15:02:10 <Ashok> MEETING ADJOURNED

MEETING ADJOURNED

15:02:30 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting

15:02:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

15:02:30 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

<arnaud> present: ashok, sandro, deiu, Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish, davidwood, nmihindu, Pchampin, MiguelAraCo
15:02:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:02:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

15:02:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

15:02:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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