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13:56:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:56:51 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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13:56:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:52 <trackbot> Date: 13 July 2015
13:59:21 <Arnaud> present+ Arnaud
Arnaud Le Hors: present+ Arnaud ←
14:02:24 <TallTed> present+ TallTed
Ted Thibodeau: present+ TallTed ←
14:03:01 <Arnaud> present+ ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: present+ ashok ←
14:03:21 <davidwood> Zakim, why won't you let me in?
David Wood: Zakim, why won't you let me in? ←
14:03:21 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, davidwood.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, davidwood. ←
14:03:34 <davidwood> Zakim, I know.
David Wood: Zakim, I know. ←
14:03:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I know', davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'I know', davidwood ←
14:03:46 <Arnaud> we're on webex david
Arnaud Le Hors: we're on webex david ←
14:03:53 <davidwood> Ah. Thanks.
David Wood: Ah. Thanks. ←
14:04:08 <Arnaud> link on the agenda
Arnaud Le Hors: link on the agenda ←
14:04:20 <Arnaud> or number
Arnaud Le Hors: or number ←
14:05:29 <Arnaud> Pchampin, are you going to join the call?
Arnaud Le Hors: Pchampin, are you going to join the call? ←
14:08:20 <Arnaud> but joining?
Arnaud Le Hors: but joining? ←
14:08:24 <deiu> Yes
Andrei Sambra: Yes ←
14:08:28 <Arnaud> good
Arnaud Le Hors: good ←
14:09:19 <Pchampin> Trying to
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Trying to ←
14:09:36 <Arnaud> webex not working?
Arnaud Le Hors: webex not working? ←
14:09:45 <Arnaud> you can dial in directly
Arnaud Le Hors: you can dial in directly ←
14:10:36 <sandro> present+ Sandro
Sandro Hawke: present+ Sandro ←
14:10:44 <deiu> Do we have the webex details somewhere?
Andrei Sambra: Do we have the webex details somewhere? ←
14:10:44 <MiguelAraCo> present+ MiguelAraCo
Miguel Aragón: present+ MiguelAraCo ←
14:10:53 <Ashok> present+ Ashok Malhotra
Ashok Malhotra: present+ Ashok Malhotra ←
14:11:14 <Arnaud> ** WebEx ** (for audio): https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53 To join by phone: +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code/Meeting number: 649 866 245
Arnaud Le Hors: ** WebEx ** (for audio): https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53 To join by phone: +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code/Meeting number: 649 866 245 ←
14:11:53 <deiu> present+ deiu
Andrei Sambra: present+ deiu ←
14:12:24 <Ashok> scribenick: Ashok
(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)
<ashok> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.07.13
<ashok> chair: Arnaud
14:13:11 <Ashok> Arnaud: This may be the last call for LDP WG
Arnaud Le Hors: This may be the last call for LDP WG ←
14:13:16 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:13:16 <Zakim> sorry, TallTed, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TallTed, I don't know what conference this is ←
14:13:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see bblfish, Ashok, davidwood, Pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, TallTed, Arnaud, deiu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bblfish, Ashok, davidwood, Pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, TallTed, Arnaud, deiu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves ←
14:13:24 <Ashok> Topic: Minutes from last call
14:13:58 <Ashok> proposal: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29 ←
14:14:01 <Arnaud> resolved: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29 ←
14:14:12 <Ashok> Minute approved without objection
Minute approved without objection ←
14:14:32 <Arnaud> action-162?
14:14:32 <trackbot> action-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN ←
14:14:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162 ←
14:14:37 <Ashok> Topic: Action Items
14:14:56 <Ashok> action-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN [10:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162
ACTION-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN [10:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162 ←
14:15:08 <Ashok> Arnaud: Let's close this
Arnaud Le Hors: Let's close this ←
14:15:57 <Ashok> Topic: LD Patch
14:16:23 <Ashok> We decided on last call to publish LDP Patch as a WG Note
We decided on last call to publish LDP Patch as a WG Note ←
14:16:49 <Ashok> Arnaud: Can be picked up and turned into a rec track doc in the future
Arnaud Le Hors: Can be picked up and turned into a rec track doc in the future ←
14:18:53 <Ashok> ... We don't have an implementation report from Alexandre. Even if we get this we will have 2 implementtaion without any prospect of more implementations.
... We don't have an implementation report from Alexandre. Even if we get this we will have 2 implementtaion without any prospect of more implementations. ←
14:19:13 <nmihindu> present+ nmihindu
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: present+ nmihindu ←
14:19:24 <Ashok> ... So, it seemed best to publish as a WG Note. Not published yet.
... So, it seemed best to publish as a WG Note. Not published yet. ←
14:20:54 <Ashok> ... We need to prepare the siurce for the Note. Need to change the status section.
... We need to prepare the siurce for the Note. Need to change the status section. ←
14:21:05 <deiu> q+
Andrei Sambra: q+ ←
14:21:18 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
14:22:07 <Ashok> Andrie: I will take an action to change the document to a WG Note
Andrei Sambra: I will take an action to change the document to a WG Note ←
14:24:22 <Ashok> PChampin: I hope we can pick up the work and take it further later
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I hope we can pick up the work and take it further later ←
14:24:54 <Ashok> Arnaud: Yes, that is possible. Some folks at IBM are interested.
Arnaud Le Hors: Yes, that is possible. Some folks at IBM are interested. ←
14:25:22 <Ashok> Topic: LDP Next CG
14:26:16 <Ashok> Arnaud: There is not enough interest to recharter the WG ... so we should go with the CG
Arnaud Le Hors: There is not enough interest to recharter the WG ... so we should go with the CG ←
14:27:51 <Ashok> Ashok: About 8 people responded to my note re. rechartering the WG
Ashok Malhotra: About 8 people responded to my note re. rechartering the WG ←
14:28:14 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:28:26 <Ashok> Arnaud: It has been an uphill battle
Arnaud Le Hors: It has been an uphill battle ←
14:29:04 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:29:36 <Arnaud> present+ bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: present+ bblfish ←
14:31:43 <Ashok> Arnaud: Does not seem to be enough support.
Arnaud Le Hors: Does not seem to be enough support. ←
14:32:16 <Ashok> ... so we should create a CG and continue the work
... so we should create a CG and continue the work ←
14:32:59 <Ashok> ... and if we make some progress we could go back to to W3M and request that a WG be started
... and if we make some progress we could go back to to W3M and request that a WG be started ←
14:33:16 <deiu> +0 (we could wait a bit to see if LDP gets traction)
Andrei Sambra: +0 (we could wait a bit to see if LDP gets traction) ←
14:34:00 <sandro> such as?
Sandro Hawke: such as? ←
14:34:05 <sandro> (competative approaches?)
Sandro Hawke: (competative approaches?) ←
14:34:18 <Ashok> DavidWood: We need to demonstarte compelling usecases ... there are also some competitive approaches
David Wood: We need to demonstarte compelling usecases ... there are also some competitive approaches ←
14:34:21 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
14:35:07 <Ashok> Sandro: I think we need to appeal to a broader audience
Sandro Hawke: I think we need to appeal to a broader audience ←
14:35:15 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:35:59 <Ashok> Sandro: I am disappointed with the uptake
Sandro Hawke: I am disappointed with the uptake ←
14:36:18 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:36:27 <Ashok> Arnaud: Do you know why the uptake has been limited.
Arnaud Le Hors: Do you know why the uptake has been limited. ←
14:36:35 <Ashok> Sandro: Not really
Sandro Hawke: Not really ←
14:37:35 <davidwood> This blog post gives a thoughtful, and useful, perspective on RDF, JSON-LD and Linked Data in general. It discusses experiences with Google’s JSON API description language. http://www.infoq.com/articles/programming-semantic-profiles
David Wood: This blog post gives a thoughtful, and useful, perspective on RDF, JSON-LD and Linked Data in general. It discusses experiences with Google’s JSON API description language. http://www.infoq.com/articles/programming-semantic-profiles ←
14:37:36 <Ashok> Henry: We need Access Control and some other items ... people are working in silos
Henry Story: We need Access Control and some other items ... people are working in silos ←
14:39:10 <davidwood> +1 to Henry: Don't try to teach logic to "HTML developers". The industry has voted for years to push that to JS.
David Wood: +1 to Henry: Don't try to teach logic to "HTML developers". The industry has voted for years to push that to JS. ←
14:39:29 <davidwood> q+
David Wood: q+ ←
14:39:35 <bblfish> oops
Henry Story: oops ←
14:39:45 <bblfish> bad connection here in London :-)
Henry Story: bad connection here in London :-) ←
14:39:58 <Arnaud> ack davidwood
Arnaud Le Hors: ack davidwood ←
14:43:28 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:43:49 <Ashok> Arnaud: What should the name of the CG be? LDP Next? LDP Next Generation?
Arnaud Le Hors: What should the name of the CG be? LDP Next? LDP Next Generation? ←
14:43:57 <bblfish> SoLiD
Henry Story: SoLiD ←
14:44:06 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:44:11 <Ashok> ... may be change course a bit
... may be change course a bit ←
14:44:48 <deiu> -1 to calling it "solid"
Andrei Sambra: -1 to calling it "solid" ←
14:45:08 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:45:41 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:47:17 <Ashok> DavidWood: People are adding new capabilities to REST
David Wood: People are adding new capabilities to REST ←
14:47:56 <deiu> Yes
Andrei Sambra: Yes ←
14:48:08 <Ashok> Arnaud: Andrie can you create a CG for us?
Arnaud Le Hors: Andrei can you create a CG for us? ←
14:48:33 <deiu> s/Andrie/Andrei/g
14:50:01 <sandro> It's a platform in the sense the Open Web Platform is a platform
Sandro Hawke: It's a platform in the sense the Open Web Platform is a platform ←
14:50:33 <sandro> or close to it.
Sandro Hawke: or close to it. ←
14:52:17 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:52:27 <davidwood> q+ to respond to Ashok
David Wood: q+ to respond to Ashok ←
14:52:46 <Ashok> Ashok: Perhaps loosen the link between RDF and LDP?
Ashok Malhotra: Perhaps loosen the link between RDF and LDP? ←
14:52:53 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:52:55 <sandro> -1 to making the CG open. Better to keep it focused and let it die on that mission.
Sandro Hawke: -1 to making the CG open. Better to keep it focused and let it die on that mission. ←
14:53:17 <Ashok> Arnaud: Yes, perhaps a fresh approach would help
Arnaud Le Hors: Yes, perhaps a fresh approach would help ←
14:53:27 <Ashok> Henry: Name for CG?
Henry Story: Name for CG? ←
14:53:36 <sandro> +1 "LDP Next"
Sandro Hawke: +1 "LDP Next" ←
14:53:50 <Ashok> Arnaud: LDP Next or LDP Next Gen
Arnaud Le Hors: LDP Next or LDP Next Gen ←
14:53:51 <bblfish> +1 ldp-next-gen
Henry Story: +1 ldp-next-gen ←
14:54:52 <Arnaud> ack davidwood
Arnaud Le Hors: ack davidwood ←
14:54:52 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to respond to Ashok
Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood, you wanted to respond to Ashok ←
14:54:52 <deiu> q+
Andrei Sambra: q+ ←
14:54:54 <sandro> TallTed, IMHO LDP *is* a whole set of protocols, not just one.
Sandro Hawke: TallTed, IMHO LDP *is* a whole set of protocols, not just one. ←
14:55:16 <Ashok> Sandro: We should have a focussed mission for the CG ... otherwise it will thrash
Sandro Hawke: We should have a focussed mission for the CG ... otherwise it will thrash ←
14:56:33 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
14:56:54 <TallTed> sandro - yes, exactly. LDP is not Linked Data Protocol, it is Linked Data Platform. http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page , http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/REC-ldp-20150226/
Ted Thibodeau: sandro - yes, exactly. LDP is not Linked Data Protocol, it is Linked Data Platform. http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page , http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/REC-ldp-20150226/ ←
14:57:40 <Ashok> Andrei: Not sure we have a focussed direction for CG yet ... perhaps wait a bit and discuss on the mailing list
Andrei Sambra: Not sure we have a focussed direction for CG yet ... perhaps wait a bit and discuss on the mailing list ←
14:58:08 <Ashok> Arnaud: If we wait too long, nothing will happen. The charter can be flexible.
Arnaud Le Hors: If we wait tooo long, nothing will happen. The charter can be flexible. ←
14:58:19 <Ashok> s/to/too/
14:58:58 <sandro> CG charter == "Explore what to do following on from LDP." Period.
Sandro Hawke: CG charter == "Explore what to do following on from LDP." Period. ←
14:58:58 <Ashok> Arnaud: Once CG is started, the mission can be changed ... better not to wait too long
Arnaud Le Hors: Once CG is started, the mission can be changed ... better not to wait too long ←
14:59:30 <Ashok> ... danger of losing those who a currently interested.
... danger of losing those who a currently interested. ←
15:00:35 <deiu> Big thanks to Arnaud for doing a great job of chairing LDP!
Andrei Sambra: Big thanks to Arnaud for doing a great job of chairing LDP! ←
15:00:37 <Ashok> Arnaud: It has been 3 years ... I think we did a good job of taking people's needs into account
Arnaud Le Hors: It has been 3 years ... I think we did a good job of taking people's needs into account ←
15:00:59 <davidwood> Sincere thanks to Arnaud
David Wood: Sincere thanks to Arnaud ←
15:01:01 <Ashok> Arnaud: This is the last call.
Arnaud Le Hors: This is the last call. ←
15:01:19 <Ashok> ... we will still have a mailing list
... we will still have a mailing list ←
15:01:48 <Ashok> Sandro: Wiki will get frozen after a while but we can hold off for a while.
Sandro Hawke: Wiki will get frozen after a while but we can hold off for a while. ←
15:02:10 <Ashok> MEETING ADJOURNED
MEETING ADJOURNED ←
15:02:30 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
15:02:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:02:30 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
<arnaud> present: ashok, sandro, deiu, Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish, davidwood, nmihindu, Pchampin, MiguelAraCo
15:02:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
15:02:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-ldp-minutes.html trackbot ←
15:02:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
15:02:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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