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13:59:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:59:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:59:20 <trackbot> Date: 21 July 2014
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14:00:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:00:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:00:41 <trackbot> Date: 21 July 2014
14:01:03 <Zakim> + +33.9.50.97.aaaa
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14:01:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:01:11 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:01:13 <Arnaud> zakim, aaa is me
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14:01:13 <Zakim> sorry, Arnaud, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
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14:01:16 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
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14:01:16 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
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14:01:17 <Zakim> +??P16
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14:01:21 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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14:01:24 <Arnaud> zakim, aaaa is me
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14:01:24 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
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14:01:29 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
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14:01:29 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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14:01:31 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P16 is me
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14:01:31 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
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14:01:36 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
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14:01:36 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
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14:02:10 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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14:02:49 <Zakim> + +43.660.274.aabb
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14:02:55 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's on?
14:02:55 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, JohnArwe.
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14:03:07 <sergio> Zakim, +43.660.274.aabb is me
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14:03:07 <Zakim> +sergio; got it
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14:03:12 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's on the call?
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14:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnArwe, Arnaud, codyburleson, Sandro, nmihindu (muted), SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio
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14:04:04 <Zakim> +ericP
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14:04:16 <Zakim> + +1.857.928.aacc
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14:04:29 <betehess> Zakim, aacc is Alexandre
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14:04:29 <Zakim> +Alexandre; got it
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14:05:07 <JohnArwe> regrets: andrei
14:05:53 <betehess> slides for LD Patch walk-through are at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/att-0068/ldpatch.html
Alexandre Bertails: slides for LD Patch walk-through are at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/att-0068/ldpatch.html ←
14:06:27 <JohnArwe> frac
14:06:34 <JohnArwe> scribe: johnarwe
(Scribe set to John Arwe)
<JohnArwe> chair: Arnaud
<JohnArwe> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.07.21
14:06:54 <JohnArwe> topic: Admin
<JohnArwe> subtopic: Minutes of last meeting - July 14
14:07:07 <JohnArwe> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 14 July teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-07-14
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 14 July teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-07-14 ←
14:08:04 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: since trackbot was not started on time, reconstructed from private irc log
Arnaud Le Hors: since trackbot was not started on time, reconstructed from private irc log ←
14:08:19 <JohnArwe> resolved: Minutes of 14 July 2014 approved w/o objections
RESOLVED: Minutes of 14 July 2014 approved w/o objections ←
14:08:30 <JohnArwe> subtopic: Next meeting
14:08:43 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: July 28 ... any objections?
Arnaud Le Hors: July 28 ... any objections? ←
14:08:56 <JohnArwe> resolved: July 28 next meeting
RESOLVED: July 28 next meeting ←
14:09:05 <JohnArwe> topic: Tracking of actions + issues
14:09:08 <JohnArwe> action-143?
14:09:08 <trackbot> action-143 -- Nandana Mihindukulasooriya to Validate the JSON-LD examples of the primer -- due 2014-07-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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14:09:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/143
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14:09:08 <codyburleson> Regrets, in advance, for next meeting (July 28th); I'm on vacation.
Cody Burleson: Regrets, in advance, for next meeting (July 28th); I'm on vacation. ←
14:09:33 <nmihindu> yes, I corrected few errors and validated them.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: yes, I corrected few errors and validated them. ←
14:09:50 <JohnArwe> resolved: close action-143
RESOLVED: close ACTION-143 ←
14:10:08 <JohnArwe> action-77?
14:10:08 <trackbot> action-77 -- Ted Thibodeau to Review and comment the WG Access Control draft at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/AccessControl -- due 2013-07-18 -- OPEN
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14:10:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/77
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14:10:58 <JohnArwe> Ashok: enough review has happened, ok to close. got some feedback from TallTed.
Ashok Malhotra: enough review has happened, ok to close. got some feedback from TallTed. ←
14:11:07 <JohnArwe> resolved: close action-77
14:11:23 <JohnArwe> Arnaud gloats that all actions now closed.
Arnaud gloats that all actions now closed. ←
14:12:20 <JohnArwe> topic: LD Patch Format Walk-through
14:12:39 <betehess> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/att-0068/ldpatch.html
Alexandre Bertails: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/att-0068/ldpatch.html ←
14:12:51 <JohnArwe> link to slides above
link to slides above ←
14:13:06 <JohnArwe> Andrei presents slides
Alexandre presents slides ←
14:13:18 <JohnArwe> s/Andrei/Alexandre/
14:13:23 <SteveS> betehess is presenting
Steve Speicher: betehess is presenting ←
14:15:07 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:15:13 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:15:13 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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14:15:14 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:15:14 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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14:15:55 <JohnArwe> ashok: what is a pathological graph here? betehess: graphs containing bnodes that cannot be addressed
Ashok Malhotra: what is a pathological graph here? betehess: graphs containing bnodes that cannot be addressed ←
14:16:11 <JohnArwe> arnaud: document what it means in here
Arnaud Le Hors: document what it means in here ←
14:16:19 <JohnArwe> ...i.e. as limitations
...i.e. as limitations ←
14:16:34 <sandro> +1 include section on LIMITATIONS, showing what kind of bnode structures CANT be patched
Sandro Hawke: +1 include section on LIMITATIONS, showing what kind of bnode structures CANT be patched ←
14:20:33 <ericP> even turtle doesn't technically need '.'s
Eric Prud'hommeaux: even turtle doesn't technically need '.'s ←
14:21:00 <ericP> (i haven't tried without so perhaps some ambiguity would arise)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: (i haven't tried without so perhaps some ambiguity would arise) ←
14:21:10 <JohnArwe> sandro: wrt syntax on page 5, perhaps could allow quads with relatively simple changes)
Sandro Hawke: wrt syntax on page 5, perhaps could allow quads with relatively simple changes ←
14:22:28 <JohnArwe> s/changes)/changes/
14:23:46 <ericP> q+ to ask about /schema:attendee[/foaf:name!]/schema:name
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask about /schema:attendee[/foaf:name!]/schema:name ←
14:24:18 <JohnArwe> Arwe: need to define "pure" equality; offline email said it means the object, any datatype, and any lang tag need to all match
John Arwe: need to define "pure" equality; offline email said it means the object, any datatype, and any lang tag need to all match ←
14:24:31 <JohnArwe> ...+ exact lexical match
...+ exact lexical match ←
14:24:38 <sandro> question - recursive constraints? sequential constraints?
Sandro Hawke: question - recursive constraints? sequential constraints? ←
14:25:04 <Arnaud> ack ericP
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP ←
14:25:04 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask about /schema:attendee[/foaf:name!]/schema:name
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask about /schema:attendee[/foaf:name!]/schema:name ←
14:25:31 <JohnArwe> betehess: ericp's example would mean exactly one foaf:name
Alexandre Bertails: ericp's example would mean exactly one foaf:name ←
14:25:35 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:25:52 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:26:28 <JohnArwe> sandro: recursive constraints? alex: yes. and sequential? yes.
Sandro Hawke: recursive constraints? alex: yes. and sequential? yes. ←
14:27:01 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
14:27:26 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
14:27:37 <JohnArwe> sandro: timbl historically used caret for inverse instead of minus. Alex: authors don't care; left it as in Pierre-Antoinne's solution; wg members can make proposal to change rather than authors responding informally.
Sandro Hawke: timbl historically used caret for inverse instead of minus. Alex: authors don't care; left it as in Pierre-Antoinne's solution; wg members can make proposal to change rather than authors responding informally. ←
14:27:46 <sandro> how about aligning with http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#pp-language ???
Sandro Hawke: how about aligning with http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#pp-language ??? ←
14:28:01 <sandro> (which uses ^ instead of - )
Sandro Hawke: (which uses ^ instead of - ) ←
14:28:22 <ericP> sandro, http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rPathEltOrInverse says "^" for inverse
Eric Prud'hommeaux: sandro, http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rPathEltOrInverse says "^" for inverse ←
14:28:37 <sandro> and dont use ! for this
Sandro Hawke: and dont use ! for this ←
14:28:45 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:28:51 <JohnArwe> ashok: pathological you said have unaddressable bnodes, right? alexandre: used to traverse graph, could reference bnode w/o knowing its ID, using path expression ... that's exactly why that's they're in the syntax.
Ashok Malhotra: pathological you said have unaddressable bnodes, right? alexandre: used to traverse graph, could reference bnode w/o knowing its ID, using path expression ... that's exactly why that's they're in the syntax. ←
14:29:26 <ericP> i guess there's some precedent for using "#" in formal maths, but that'd be nuts
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i guess there's some precedent for using "#" in formal maths, but that'd be nuts ←
14:29:36 <sandro> Ashok, a pathological graph: <a> <b> _:x,_:y.
Sandro Hawke: Ashok, a pathological graph: <a> <b> _:x,_:y. ←
14:29:41 <JohnArwe> ashok: are there instances where that's still not enough? alex: yes, if the conditions are not unique. recent article published that explores use of bnodes in web datasets.
Ashok Malhotra: are there instances where that's still not enough? alex: yes, if the conditions are not unique. recent article published that explores use of bnodes in web datasets. ←
14:29:48 <JohnArwe> ...will followup on mailing list.
...will followup on mailing list. ←
14:30:02 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:30:53 <ericP> +1 to re-using SPARQL where possible (hoping there's something left to use in place of '!')
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to re-using SPARQL where possible (hoping there's something left to use in place of '!') ←
14:30:58 <JohnArwe> sandro: you should align with sparql property path syntax whereever you overlap, like inverse path. and avoid using bang, since they use it with a different syntax. don't gratuitously differ. Alex: we can review together.
Sandro Hawke: you should align with sparql property path syntax whereever you overlap, like inverse path. and avoid using bang, since they use it with a different syntax. don't gratuitously differ. Alex: we can review together. ←
14:31:25 <JohnArwe> slide 7
slide 7 ←
14:32:08 <JohnArwe> slide 8
slide 8 ←
14:32:45 <ericP> Bind ?grandparent <#> /gen:parent .
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Bind ?grandparent <#> /gen:parent . ←
14:32:51 <ericP> Bind ?grandparent <#> /gen:parent . # now a grandparent?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Bind ?grandparent <#> /gen:parent . # now a grandparent? ←
14:33:17 <ericP> sorry, s/<#>/?grandparent/
Eric Prud'hommeaux: sorry, s/<#>/?grandparent/ ←
14:33:57 <sandro> Suggest ".." instead of ">" as slice operator.
Sandro Hawke: Suggest ".." instead of ">" as slice operator. ←
14:33:58 <JohnArwe> betehess: if not careful, updatelist can lead to graphs 'pointing to nowhere'
Alexandre Bertails: if not careful, updatelist can lead to graphs 'pointing to nowhere' ←
14:34:33 <JohnArwe> ericp: can use a bound variable within its own (subsequent) binding? alexandre: yes
Eric Prud'hommeaux: can use a bound variable within its own (subsequent) binding? alexandre: yes ←
14:34:38 <JohnArwe> slide 9
slide 9 ←
14:35:12 <sandro> q+ to ask why this is better than SPARQL UPDATE ?
Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask why this is better than SPARQL UPDATE ? ←
14:35:29 <sandro> q+ to ask why this is better than SPARQL UPDATE or a profile of SPARQL UPDATE
Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask why this is better than SPARQL UPDATE or a profile of SPARQL UPDATE ←
14:37:38 <JohnArwe> alexandre: very important for specifying operational semantics, i.e. math meaning given to the patch.
Alexandre Bertails: very important for specifying operational semantics, i.e. math meaning given to the patch. ←
14:38:01 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:38:01 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask why this is better than SPARQL UPDATE ? and to ask why this is better than SPARQL UPDATE or a profile of SPARQL UPDATE
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to ask why this is better than SPARQL UPDATE ? and to ask why this is better than SPARQL UPDATE or a profile of SPARQL UPDATE ←
14:39:12 <JohnArwe> sandro: like this in general. what's advantage of this over (some profile of) sparql update? most people's problem with sparql is the potentially exponential performance, and this proposal has the same complexity.
Sandro Hawke: like this in general. what's advantage of this over (some profile of) sparql update? most people's problem with sparql is the potentially exponential performance, and this proposal has the same complexity. ←
14:39:28 <Yves>
14:39:38 <JohnArwe> betehess: don't think complexity is exponential; provide example please.
Alexandre Bertails: don't think complexity is exponential; provide example please. ←
14:41:07 <JohnArwe> sandro: social graph; /foaf:knows repeated 5x; that has 100million triples. Alex: no, not true. ... sandro: if branching factor is 1K, doesn't this branch rapidly? alex: no, don't remember other branches. ... more words...
Sandro Hawke: social graph; /foaf:knows repeated 5x; that has 100million triples. Alex: no, not true. ... sandro: if branching factor is 1K, doesn't this branch rapidly? alex: no, don't remember other branches. ... more words... ←
14:41:26 <Ashok> Sandro, why is this worse than XPath?
Ashok Malhotra: Sandro, why is this worse than XPath? ←
14:44:05 <JohnArwe> meta-question to arnaud: there are other topics on the agenda, what is the time allocated to this current topic vs the later one(s)?
meta-question to arnaud: there are other topics on the agenda, what is the time allocated to this current topic vs the later one(s)? ←
14:44:34 <JohnArwe> arnaud: take offline to mailing list
Arnaud Le Hors: take offline to mailing list ←
14:44:55 <JohnArwe> slide 9: status "almost ready" ...for what? Alex: adding operational semantics.
slide 9: status "almost ready" ...for what? Alex: adding operational semantics. ←
14:45:54 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: wg had 1 resolution to investigate this. we've fulfilled that. sandro's questions important. now need to decide if overall approach of _this proposal_ is ok with WG.
Arnaud Le Hors: wg had 1 resolution to investigate this. we've fulfilled that. sandro's questions important. now need to decide if overall approach of _this proposal_ is ok with WG. ←
14:46:14 <JohnArwe> Alex: agree; if overall approach is ok, ready to publish FPWD
Alexandre Bertails: agree; if overall approach is ok, ready to publish FPWD ←
14:47:06 <SteveS> q+ to talk about how we addressed this before
Steve Speicher: q+ to talk about how we addressed this before ←
14:47:40 <codyburleson> We are actually using a patch format designed by Sandro, so we kind of feel like honoring his opinion on this matter (whatever it may be). And then, our one concern is just the fact that you have to know yet another language to understand LDP.
Cody Burleson: We are actually using a patch format designed by Sandro, so we kind of feel like honoring his opinion on this matter (whatever it may be). And then, our one concern is just the fact that you have to know yet another language to understand LDP. ←
14:47:42 <Arnaud> ack Steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Steves ←
14:47:42 <Zakim> SteveS, you wanted to talk about how we addressed this before
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveS, you wanted to talk about how we addressed this before ←
14:48:04 <JohnArwe> sandro: would like someone to articulate why they'd use this proposal but would not use sparql update.
Sandro Hawke: would like someone to articulate why they'd use this proposal but would not use sparql update. ←
14:49:15 <JohnArwe> arnaud: concerned about spending lots of time fixing details if anyone in the wg has major issues with approach.
Arnaud Le Hors: concerned about spending lots of time fixing details if anyone in the wg has major issues with approach. ←
14:50:33 <JohnArwe> ericp: feels like people would have to write another parser, awkward to dup content in "competing" stds aside from an isomorphism. Alex: did not want to rely on sparql implementation(s).
Eric Prud'hommeaux: feels like people would have to write another parser, awkward to dup content in "competing" stds aside from an isomorphism. Alex: did not want to rely on sparql implementation(s). ←
14:51:19 <JohnArwe> arnaud: Alexandre, can you write the "why not sparql update" section to flush out?
Arnaud Le Hors: Alexandre, can you write the "why not sparql update" section to flush out? ←
14:51:21 <betehess> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDP_PATCH_Proposals
Alexandre Bertails: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDP_PATCH_Proposals ←
14:51:59 <JohnArwe> sandro: fine if we want to publish FPWD saying very explicitly that we recognize overlap and invite comments on that specifically.
Sandro Hawke: fine if we want to publish FPWD saying very explicitly that we recognize overlap and invite comments on that specifically. ←
14:53:04 <JohnArwe> ... could also name a subset of sparql update equivalent to this, ericp. If it's not hard to exactly define the subset.
... could also name a subset of sparql update equivalent to this, ericp. If it's not hard to exactly define the subset. ←
14:53:11 <TallTed> +1 LIMITATIONS section (and I recommend including some of the discussion/experience/justification for why these exist, and possibly what the other options were, and why they were not pursued)
Ted Thibodeau: +1 LIMITATIONS section (and I recommend including some of the discussion/experience/justification for why these exist, and possibly what the other options were, and why they were not pursued) ←
14:53:11 <TallTed> also +1 FPWD with something like "while working through this, we found it to basically respecify SPARQL Update... without relying on a back-end SPARQL implementation. does anyone actually need this?"
Ted Thibodeau: also +1 FPWD with something like "while working through this, we found it to basically respecify SPARQL Update... without relying on a back-end SPARQL implementation. does anyone actually need this?" ←
14:53:41 <JohnArwe> Alex: issues with managing the dependencies on syntax etc. Thinks it's harder than Sandro/EricP appear to think/
Alexandre Bertails: issues with managing the dependencies on syntax etc. Thinks it's harder than Sandro/EricP appear to think/ ←
14:53:42 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDP_PATCH_Proposals#EricP.27s_proposal
Sandro Hawke: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDP_PATCH_Proposals#EricP.27s_proposal ←
14:55:12 <JohnArwe> discussion... not exactly ericp's proposal, really a version of that which "looks more like LDPatch"
discussion... not exactly ericp's proposal, really a version of that which "looks more like LDPatch" ←
14:55:40 <JohnArwe> sandro: missing variables and delete that I'd really like. thinking of long string literals.
Sandro Hawke: missing variables and delete that I'd really like. thinking of long string literals. ←
14:55:52 <sandro> sandro: I want "delete <s> <p> *" and "delete <s> * * "
Sandro Hawke: I want "delete <s> <p> *" and "delete <s> * * " [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:57:17 <JohnArwe> alexandre: path is optional. bind it. sandro: don't want to transmit the literal at all. very hard to do with your proposal, although could be added pretty easily. Alex: if we change binding to be to a set of nodes, should fix that.
Alexandre Bertails: path is optional. bind it. sandro: don't want to transmit the literal at all. very hard to do with your proposal, although could be added pretty easily. Alex: if we change binding to be to a set of nodes, should fix that. ←
14:58:11 <JohnArwe> Action: betehess to make updates and handle sparql update reasoning
ACTION: betehess to make updates and handle sparql update reasoning ←
14:58:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Make updates and handle sparql update reasoning [on Alexandre Bertails - due 2014-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-144 - Make updates and handle sparql update reasoning [on Alexandre Bertails - due 2014-07-28]. ←
14:58:12 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
14:58:33 <Arnaud> shoot
Arnaud Le Hors: shoot ←
14:58:46 <JohnArwe> should we wait for your chairness?
should we wait for your chairness? ←
14:59:05 <Arnaud> no, wha'ts the status of paging?
Arnaud Le Hors: no, wha'ts the status of paging? ←
14:59:29 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
14:59:35 <JohnArwe> cody: arnaud said I need to provide a pure-html (no respec) version, put that under TR dir? Steve S: will help.
Cody Burleson: arnaud said I need to provide a pure-html (no respec) version, put that under TR dir? Steve S: will help. ←
14:59:51 <nmihindu> yes. I am.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: yes. I am. ←
15:00:21 <codyburleson> Thanks
Cody Burleson: Thanks ←
15:01:23 <codyburleson> Cody will submit the pure HTML (final) Best Practices document today into the TR directory. Will be on vacation next week. Nandana will help Cody keep an eye on any process to push that document through.
Cody Burleson: Cody will submit the pure HTML (final) Best Practices document today into the TR directory. Will be on vacation next week. Nandana will help Cody keep an eye on any process to push that document through. ←
15:02:01 <JohnArwe> topic: Paging
15:02:21 <JohnArwe> late-breaking email with list of "must be fixed by LC" changes
late-breaking email with list of "must be fixed by LC" changes ←
15:02:30 <betehess> thanks, bye
Alexandre Bertails: thanks, bye ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> -Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre ←
15:02:34 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:02:34 <JohnArwe> discussion of process; hope to work most out on list w/o formal issues
discussion of process; hope to work most out on list w/o formal issues ←
15:02:35 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
15:02:36 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:02:37 <Zakim> -sergio
Zakim IRC Bot: -sergio ←
15:02:38 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:02:39 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:02:40 <SteveS> I had a few comments as well on paging
Steve Speicher: I had a few comments as well on paging ←
15:02:43 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:02:48 <JohnArwe> arnaud: bulk of agenda next week to be paging
Arnaud Le Hors: bulk of agenda next week to be paging ←
15:02:49 <Zakim> -codyburleson
Zakim IRC Bot: -codyburleson ←
15:02:52 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
15:02:54 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
15:02:54 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:02:54 <Zakim> Attendees were JohnArwe, +33.9.50.97.aaaa, Sandro, codyburleson, Arnaud, SteveS, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, ericP, +1.857.928.aacc, Alexandre, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were JohnArwe, +33.9.50.97.aaaa, Sandro, codyburleson, Arnaud, SteveS, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, ericP, +1.857.928.aacc, Alexandre, TallTed ←
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