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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 19 May 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.05.19
Present
Eric Prud'hommeaux, John Arwe, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Steve Speicher, Henry Story, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Roger Menday, Bart van Leeuwen
Regrets
Andrei Sambra, Alexandre Bertails, Sergio Fernández
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Pierre-Antoine Champin
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approved the minutes of 12 May 2014 link
Topics
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13:59:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:59:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:59:54 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2014
14:00:08 <Zakim> +ericP

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14:00:12 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

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14:00:22 <pchampin> zakim, who is on the phone

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, who is on the phone

14:00:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pchampin

14:00:28 <pchampin> zakim, who is here?

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, who is here?

14:00:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P4, ericP, JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P4, ericP, JohnArwe

14:00:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, nmihindu, deiu, betehess, stevebattle11110, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, nmihindu, deiu, betehess, stevebattle11110, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP

14:00:33 <pchampin> zakim, ??P4 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P4 is me

14:00:33 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

14:00:54 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

14:01:34 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

14:01:43 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

14:01:44 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me

14:01:44 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

14:03:01 <JohnArwe> regrets: andrei, alexandre, sergio
14:03:32 <Arnaud> zakim, who is here?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who is here?

14:03:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin, ericP, JohnArwe, Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pchampin, ericP, JohnArwe, Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra

14:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveS, JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, nmihindu, deiu, betehess, stevebattle11110, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveS, JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, nmihindu, deiu, betehess, stevebattle11110, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP

14:04:40 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

14:05:33 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

14:05:37 <bblfish> oops

Henry Story: oops

14:05:45 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin

(Scribe set to Pierre-Antoine Champin)

<pchampin> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.05.19
<pchampin> chair: Arnaud
<pchampin> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:05:56 <pchampin> subtopic: minutes of last meeting

1.1. minutes of last meeting

14:06:06 <pchampin>  http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-05-12

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-05-12

14:06:25 <pchampin> PROPOSED: approve the minute of last minutes

PROPOSED: approve the minute of last minutes

14:06:36 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

14:06:46 <pchampin> arnaud: we closed some issues re. paging

Arnaud Le Hors: we closed some issues re. paging

14:06:47 <SteveS> I just clicked on link

Steve Speicher: I just clicked on link

14:07:02 <pchampin> RESOLVED: Approved the minutes of 12 May 2014

RESOLVED: Approved the minutes of 12 May 2014

<pchampin> subtopic: Next meeting

1.2. Next meeting

14:07:23 <pchampin> arnaud: can we meet next week?

Arnaud Le Hors: can we meet next week?

14:07:53 <JohnArwe> SteveS: in US, national holiday (Memorial Day)

Steve Speicher: in US, national holiday (Memorial Day) [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ]

14:08:37 <JohnArwe> ...pchampin: also the EU semantic web conference

John Arwe: ...pchampin: also the EU semantic web conference

14:08:41 <pchampin> ... it is US memorial day, and in Europe, this is during ESWC

... it is US memorial day, and in Europe, this is during ESWC

14:09:08 <pchampin> arnaud: so let's skip next week; next meeting on June 2nd

Arnaud Le Hors: so let's skip next week; next meeting on June 2nd

14:09:12 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

14:09:29 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P26 is me

14:09:29 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

14:09:35 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

14:09:35 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted

14:09:47 <pchampin> topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues

2. Tracking of Actions and Issues

14:10:50 <pchampin> ashok_malhotra: Henry and I have been working on the paging

Ashok Malhotra: Henry and I have been working on the Access Control

14:10:55 <pchampin> ... would like some feedback

... would like some feedback

14:11:35 <pchampin> topic: LDP spec

3. LDP spec

14:12:12 <pchampin> arnaud: waiting for director's approval to move from CR

Arnaud Le Hors: waiting for director's approval to move to CR

14:12:48 <pchampin> s/from CR/to CR/
14:13:05 <pchampin> ... but that should not discourage people to work on implementation

... but that should not discourage people to work on implementation

14:13:19 <pchampin> ... there will be no major change now

... there will be no major change now

14:14:00 <pchampin> ... We need 2 implementations, and we expire soon.

... We need 2 implementations, and we expire soon.

14:14:05 <Ashok> s/paging/Access Control/
14:14:20 <pchampin> ... We will ask for an extension.

... We will ask for an extension.

14:15:15 <pchampin> Arnaud: the only pending comment is from Guido about the null relative URI

Arnaud Le Hors: the only pending comment is from Guido about the null relative URI

14:15:24 <pchampin> topic: Status update

4. Status update

14:17:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:17:31 <pchampin> SteveS: moving on

Steve Speicher: moving on

14:18:12 <SteveS> Zakim, [IPcaller] is roger

Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IPcaller] is roger

14:18:12 <Zakim> +roger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it

14:18:17 <pchampin> Arnaud: are tests from Raul integrated? he claimed to check all the invariants (MUST) from the spec

Arnaud Le Hors: are tests from Raul integrated? he claimed to check all the invariants (MUST) from the spec

14:20:42 <pchampin> SteveS: they are integrated, except for IndirectContainer tests

Steve Speicher: they are integrated, except for IndirectContainer tests

14:21:11 <pchampin> Arnaud: we welcome contribution to the test suite, but how do we decide when the test suite is complete?

Arnaud Le Hors: we welcome contribution to the test suite, but how do we decide when the test suite is complete?

14:22:06 <pchampin> ... what is left to do

... what is left to do

14:22:34 <pchampin> SteveS: it is fairly complete for RDF sources, Basic containers and Direct containers,

Steve Speicher: it is fairly complete for RDF sources, Basic containers and Direct containers,

14:22:56 <pchampin> ... but a few cases here and there are missing (inc. non-RDF sources)

... but a few cases here and there are missing (inc. non-RDF sources)

14:23:49 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:24:01 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

14:24:01 <pchampin> EricP: often during CR, we get questions, to which the answer is a new test

Eric Prud'hommeaux: often during CR, we get questions, to which the answer is a new test

14:25:03 <pchampin> ashok: don't we want a test for every RFC2119 keyword?

Ashok Malhotra: don't we want a test for every RFC2119 keyword?

14:25:13 <pchampin> SteveS: this is basically the idea

Steve Speicher: this is basically the idea

14:26:25 <pchampin> EricP: then depending on the SHOULD's and MAY's you chose to implement, you have to run a certain subset of the tests

Eric Prud'hommeaux: then depending on the SHOULD's and MAY's you chose to implement, you have to run a certain subset of the tests

14:26:58 <pchampin> ... It would be difficult to go to CR if we don't test all the MUST's

... It would be difficult to go to CR if we don't test all the MUST's

14:28:36 <pchampin> Arnaud: we agreed to have a link from the spec to the test suite, which will have its own status

Arnaud Le Hors: we agreed to have a link from the spec to the test suite, which will have its own status

14:29:42 <pchampin> EricP: for Turtle, we advertised the test suite as complete while we had one implementation (from withing the WG) that passed all the tests

Eric Prud'hommeaux: for Turtle, we advertised the test suite as complete while we had one implementation (from withing the WG) that passed all the tests

14:29:59 <pchampin> ... but then we had to add a few afterwards, to remove some ambiguity

... but then we had to add a few afterwards, to remove some ambiguity

14:30:15 <pchampin> Arnaud: who is using the test suite, beyond SteveS?

Arnaud Le Hors: who is using the test suite, beyond SteveS?

14:30:29 <bblfish> I'll try to get going on the test suite in the next few weeks

Henry Story: I'll try to get going on the test suite in the next few weeks

14:30:40 <SteveS> I haven’t heard any feedback, Sergio I think has played with it a bit

Steve Speicher: I haven’t heard any feedback, Sergio I think has played with it a bit

14:32:16 <pchampin> EricP: Steve, how far do you think you are?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Steve, how far do you think you are?

14:32:56 <pchampin> SteveS: it is rather complete (even if it can still be improved)

Steve Speicher: it is rather complete (even if it can still be improved)

14:33:29 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30

14:33:43 <pchampin> Arnaud: we could prompt Sergio for an update by an e-mail

Arnaud Le Hors: we could prompt Sergio for an update by an e-mail

14:33:45 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P30 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P30 is me

14:33:45 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

14:33:53 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

14:33:53 <Zakim> nmihindu was already muted, nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu was already muted, nmihindu

14:34:37 <pchampin> ... I don't want to block the CR transition for this

... I don't want to block the CR transition for this

14:35:35 <SteveS> nmihindu, have you had a chance to look at ldp-testsuite?

Steve Speicher: nmihindu, have you had a chance to look at ldp-testsuite?

14:35:47 <pchampin> ... By the time the document gets publish, we will hopefully be done.

... By the time the document gets publish, we will hopefully be done.

14:36:32 <pchampin> subtopic: Access-Control

4.1. Access-Control

14:36:54 <pchampin> ashok: I'm happy with the current state of the page

Ashok Malhotra: I'm happy with the current state of the page

14:37:06 <pchampin> ... We would like other people from the WG to comment on it.

... We would like other people from the WG to comment on it.

14:38:04 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:38:28 <Zakim> +??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31

14:38:35 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:38:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p13 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p13 is me

14:38:41 <Zakim> I already had ??P13 as SteveS, BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P13 as SteveS, BartvanLeeuwen

14:38:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p31 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p31 is me

14:38:45 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

14:39:00 <pchampin> Arnaud: Ted has already an action to do that

Arnaud Le Hors: Ted has already an action to do that

14:39:08 <pchampin> Ashok: I'll also ask Serena to have a look

Ashok Malhotra: I'll also ask Serena to have a look

14:39:34 <nmihindu> SteveS, we are planning to publish our LDP impl, LDP4j, available this week and  we will try to use ldp-testsuite for testing the conformance

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: SteveS, we are planning to publish our LDP impl, LDP4j, available this week and we will try to use ldp-testsuite for testing the conformance

14:39:44 <bblfish> can't find the wiki page

Henry Story: can't find the wiki page

14:40:11 <bblfish> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl

Henry Story: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl

14:40:17 <pchampin> Arnaud: Ashok will reformat the wiki page in Respec, so that by June 2nd we can vote on it

Arnaud Le Hors: Ashok will reformat the wiki page in Respec, so that by June 2nd we can vote on it

14:40:27 <SteveS> nmihindu, ok good

Steve Speicher: nmihindu, ok good

14:40:43 <bblfish> Ah found it : https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/AccessControl

Henry Story: Ah found it : https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/AccessControl

14:41:12 <pchampin> Ashok: at the end of the page, I propose a charter for an Access Control WG; is it ok?

Ashok Malhotra: at the end of the page, I propose a charter for an Access Control WG; is it ok?

14:41:20 <pchampin> Arnaud: yes, this is a good idea

Arnaud Le Hors: yes, this is a good idea

14:41:46 <nmihindu> Arnaud, I can follow up with him via email to check

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, I can follow up with him via email to check

14:41:51 <pchampin> subtopic: Best Practice and Guidelines

4.2. Best Practice and Guidelines

14:42:01 <nmihindu> Arnaud, there was one issue about relative URIs

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, there was one issue about relative URIs

14:42:36 <pchampin> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-bp/ldp-bp.html

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-bp/ldp-bp.html

14:42:44 <pchampin> SteveS: I think Cody sent an e-mail saying that the document was ready for review by the WG

Steve Speicher: I think Cody sent an e-mail saying that the document was ready for review by the WG

14:42:55 <bblfish> I think it is better to wait

Henry Story: I think it is better to wait

14:43:11 <pchampin> Arnaud: do we want to publish it now, or wait until June 2nd?

Arnaud Le Hors: do we want to publish it now, or wait until June 2nd?

14:43:30 <bblfish> I'd like to read it

Henry Story: I'd like to read it

14:43:57 <pchampin> ... It has already been reviewed. Is anyone planning to reviewit by then?

... It has already been reviewed. Is anyone planning to reviewit by then?

14:44:25 <SteveS> Cody’s email on April 27th “Status of BP&G” http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Apr/0086.html

Steve Speicher: Cody’s email on April 27th “Status of BP&G” http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Apr/0086.html

14:44:26 <nmihindu> Miguel did a very thorough review on it

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Miguel did a very thorough review on it

14:45:05 <pchampin> bblfish: I'd like to read it by June 2nd

Henry Story: I'd like to read it by June 2nd

14:45:15 <pchampin> Arnaud: ok, then we'll vote on June 2nd

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, then we'll vote on June 2nd

14:45:19 <pchampin> subtopic: Primer

4.3. Primer

14:45:38 <pchampin> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html

14:46:08 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:46:10 <pchampin> Roger: got feedback from Ashok and Henry

Roger Menday: got feedback from Ashok and Henry

14:46:13 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:46:25 <pchampin> ... It is not quite finished, but we are getting there.

... It is not quite finished, but we are getting there.

14:47:31 <pchampin> bblfish: as many people as possible should review this document, as it where most LDP users will start

Henry Story: as many people as possible should review this document, as it where most LDP users will start

14:47:43 <nmihindu> yes, we welcome all the feedback and we will surely address them as soon possible

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: yes, we welcome all the feedback and we will surely address them as soon possible

14:47:44 <pchampin> Arnaud: I agree, but we must progress

Arnaud Le Hors: I agree, but we must progress

14:48:00 <pchampin> subtopic: 209 status

4.4. 209 status

14:48:21 <pchampin> EricP: no progress, but I'll hopefully be able to work on it next week

Eric Prud'hommeaux: no progress, but I'll hopefully be able to work on it next week

14:48:30 <pchampin> subtopic: Paging

4.5. Paging

14:48:40 <JohnArwe> I put the list of outstanding resolutions into the prolog.

John Arwe: I put the list of outstanding resolutions into the prolog.

14:48:46 <pchampin> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html

14:49:55 <pchampin> subtopic: LD-Patch

4.6. LD-Patch

14:52:31 <pchampin> https://github.com/pchampin/rdfpatch/

https://github.com/pchampin/rdfpatch/

14:53:06 <pchampin> pchampin: the syntax is quite stable now

Pierre-Antoine Champin: the syntax is quite stable now

14:53:23 <pchampin> ... available in the README in the github repository above

... available in the README in the github repository above

14:53:36 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:53:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx bye

Bart van Leeuwen: thx bye

14:53:47 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

14:53:49 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

14:53:53 <pchampin> ... We'll hopefully port it in the mercurial repo during the next 2 weeks

... We'll hopefully port it in the mercurial repo during the next 2 weeks

14:53:53 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

14:53:54 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:53:55 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

14:53:56 <Zakim> -roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -roger

14:53:58 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu

14:53:59 <pchampin> Arnaud: meeting adjourned

Arnaud Le Hors: meeting adjourned

14:53:59 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

<pchampin> Present: ericP, JohnArwe, pchampin, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, bblfish, nmihindu, roger, BartvanLeeuwen


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