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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 20 August 2012

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Andy Seaborne, Antonis Loizou, Arnaud Le Hors, Arthur Keen, Ashok Malhotra, Bart van Leeuwen, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Erik Wilde, Gavin Carothers, Jacek Kopecky, Kalpa Gunaratna, Lucas Panjer, Olivier Berger, Reza B'Far, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yrjana Rankka
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Antonis Loizou
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  1. minutes from http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-08-06 approved link
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13:57:00 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/20-ldp-irc

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13:57:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:57:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

13:57:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

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13:57:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:05 <trackbot> Date: 20 August 2012
13:58:31 <Zakim> + +1.510.206.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.206.aaaa

13:58:33 <ghard> zakim, what is the conference code?

Yrjana Rankka: zakim, what is the conference code?

13:58:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ghard

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ghard

13:58:36 <Zakim> -??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P0

13:58:36 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

13:58:42 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

13:58:48 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

13:58:49 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

13:58:50 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

13:58:50 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

13:58:50 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

13:58:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p2 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p2 is me

13:58:58 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

13:59:02 <Zakim> +gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc

13:59:04 <dret> zakim, +1.510.206.aaaa is me

Erik Wilde: zakim, +1.510.206.aaaa is me

13:59:07 <Zakim> +dret; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dret; got it

13:59:10 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

13:59:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, dret, MacTed (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, dret, MacTed (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc

13:59:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see stevebattle, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, dret, BartvanLeeuwen, svillata, ghard, antonis, MacTed, betehess, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see stevebattle, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, dret, BartvanLeeuwen, svillata, ghard, antonis, MacTed, betehess, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP

13:59:17 <antonis> Zakim, ??p0 is me

Antonis Loizou: Zakim, ??p0 is me

13:59:19 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

13:59:21 <Zakim> +antonis; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antonis; got it

13:59:31 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro

13:59:50 <svillata> Zakim, ??P6 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P6 is me

13:59:50 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

14:00:17 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

14:00:19 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

14:00:22 <AndyS> zakim, ??P10 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P10 is me

14:00:22 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:00:36 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me

14:00:36 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

14:00:53 <Zakim> + +44.117.370.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.117.370.aabb

14:00:57 <Zakim> +RezaBfar

Zakim IRC Bot: +RezaBfar

14:01:27 <Zakim> - +44.117.370.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.117.370.aabb

14:01:44 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

14:02:00 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.775.aacc

14:02:11 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

14:02:24 <Zakim> + +44.117.370.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.117.370.aadd

14:02:36 <Kalpa> zakim, aacc is me

Kalpa Gunaratna: zakim, aacc is me

14:02:36 <Zakim> +Kalpa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kalpa; got it

14:02:41 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

14:02:51 <ghard> zakim, ??P24 is ghard

Yrjana Rankka: zakim, ??P24 is ghard

14:02:51 <Zakim> +ghard; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ghard; got it

14:03:46 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

14:03:58 <jkopecky> zakim, ??P27 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P27 is me

14:03:58 <Zakim> +jkopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jkopecky; got it

14:04:42 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:04:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see antonis, dret, MacTed (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, svillata, sandro, AndyS, SteveS, RezaBfar, Arnaud, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, +44.117.370.aadd, ghard,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see antonis, dret, MacTed (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, svillata, sandro, AndyS, SteveS, RezaBfar, Arnaud, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, +44.117.370.aadd, ghard,

14:04:46 <Zakim> ... jkopecky

Zakim IRC Bot: ... jkopecky

14:05:16 <stevebattle> +44.117.370 is me

Steve Battle: +44.117.370 is me

14:05:22 <MacTed> Zakim, aadd is stevebattle

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aadd is stevebattle

14:05:22 <Zakim> +stevebattle; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle; got it

14:06:53 <dret> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html

Erik Wilde: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html

14:08:04 <Zakim> + +1.778.588.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.778.588.aaee

14:08:16 <Zakim> + +1.512.433.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.433.aaff

14:09:14 <antonis> scribe: antonis

(Scribe set to Antonis Loizou)

14:09:34 <Ashok_Malhotra> scribenick: antonis
14:09:50 <sandro> zakim, aaee is Lucas

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaee is Lucas

14:09:50 <Zakim> +Lucas; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Lucas; got it

14:10:11 <sandro> zakim, aaff is Arthur

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaff is Arthur

14:10:11 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arthur; got it

14:10:47 <sandro> zakim, Arthur is Arthur_Keen

Sandro Hawke: zakim, Arthur is Arthur_Keen

14:10:47 <Zakim> +Arthur_Keen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arthur_Keen; got it

14:11:10 <antonis> list of editors for use cases and requirements

list of editors for use cases and requirements

14:11:29 <antonis> steve battle

steve battle

14:12:04 <sandro> zakim, Lucas is Lucas_Panjer

Sandro Hawke: zakim, Lucas is Lucas_Panjer

14:12:04 <Zakim> +Lucas_Panjer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Lucas_Panjer; got it

14:12:30 <stevebattle> thankyou

Steve Battle: thankyou

14:13:16 <antonis> minutes from http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-08-06 approved

RESOLVED: minutes from http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-08-06 approved

14:13:34 <antonis> wiki page for f2f meeting set up

wiki page for f2f meeting set up

14:13:45 <Ashok_Malhotra> s/minutes/RESOLUTION:minutes/
14:14:06 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1

14:14:26 <antonis> close action-8

close ACTION-8

14:14:26 <trackbot> ACTION-8 Set up wiki page for the F2F meeting closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-8 Set up wiki page for the F2F meeting closed

14:14:29 <antonis> :)

:)

14:16:19 <antonis> at this point a parallel F2F in the US is not going to happen due to lack of interest

at this point a parallel F2F in the US is not going to happen due to lack of interest

14:18:20 <antonis> particapants in the f2f need to register with TPAC

particapants in the f2f need to register with TPAC

14:18:34 <antonis> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/

http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/

14:20:47 <oberger> in case, there seems to be some interest from the WebID community group to meet participants of LDP

Olivier Berger: in case, there seems to be some interest from the WebID community group to meet participants of LDP

14:20:59 <oberger> some are participating to both, of course

Olivier Berger: some are participating to both, of course

14:21:18 <oberger> I meant, F2F in Lyon

Olivier Berger: I meant, F2F in Lyon

14:21:32 <gavinc> -1 to meeting on labor day

Gavin Carothers: -1 to meeting on labor day

14:21:35 <antonis> +1 for next monday

+1 for next monday

14:21:39 <stevebattle> August 27 is a bank holiday in the UK

Steve Battle: August 27 is a bank holiday in the UK

14:21:46 <SteveS> -1 for labor day

Steve Speicher: -1 for labor day

14:21:52 <SteveS> +1 for Aug 27

Steve Speicher: +1 for Aug 27

14:22:01 <Ashok_Malhotra> Suggest next meeting Sept 10

Ashok Malhotra: Suggest next meeting Sept 10

14:22:01 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 next monday ( might not make it )

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 next monday ( might not make it )

14:22:36 <ghard> no preference

Yrjana Rankka: no preference

14:22:41 <MacTed> -1 Labor Day

Ted Thibodeau: -1 Labor Day

14:22:41 <MacTed> +0 Aug 27 (I expect lower attendance putting a meeting now where we explicitly said none would be)

Ted Thibodeau: +0 Aug 27 (I expect lower attendance putting a meeting now where we explicitly said none would be)

14:22:45 <svillata> no preference

Serena Villata: no preference

14:22:45 <Zakim> -Lucas_Panjer

Zakim IRC Bot: -Lucas_Panjer

14:23:08 <MacTed> +1 pick up on Sept 10

Ted Thibodeau: +1 pick up on Sept 10

14:23:14 <stevebattle> +1 uk

Steve Battle: +1 uk

14:23:20 <AndyS> UK

Andy Seaborne: UK

14:24:12 <AndyS> Aug 27 is OK by me - it's a sensible time UK.

Andy Seaborne: Aug 27 is OK by me - it's a sensible time UK.

14:24:21 <RezaBFar> -1 for labor day

Reza B'Far: -1 for labor day

14:24:53 <AndyS> ... if there is a substantive issue to discuss.  AndyS at risk next week ... depends on the weather.

Andy Seaborne: ... if there is a substantive issue to discuss. AndyS at risk next week ... depends on the weather.

14:26:28 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

14:26:37 <antonis> Use Cases and Requierements need work to become more coherent, consistent and on higher level so that we can track what we are doing wrt the document

Use Cases and Requierements need work to become more coherent, consistent and on higher level so that we can track what we are doing wrt the document

14:26:53 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ericP

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ericP

14:26:53 <Zakim> ericP should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP should now be muted

14:27:10 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute ericP

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute ericP

14:27:10 <Zakim> ericP should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP should no longer be muted

14:27:40 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:27:51 <Ashok_Malhotra> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:27:59 <gavinc> +q to check if http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbp-20120326/ is still the input document?

Gavin Carothers: +q to check if http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbp-20120326/ is still the input document?

14:30:04 <sandro> +1 stevebattle to discussing first if he feels like it

Sandro Hawke: +1 stevebattle to discussing first if he feels like it

14:30:05 <gavinc> -q

Gavin Carothers: -q

14:30:37 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle

Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle

14:32:56 <stevebattle> Thanks for the feedback, Sandro

Steve Battle: Thanks for the feedback, Sandro

14:32:58 <stevebattle> q-

Steve Battle: q-

14:33:22 <SteveS> bblish (Henry Story) has ACTION-5 to propose non-rdf content additions to use cases

Steve Speicher: bblish (Henry Story) has ACTION-5 to propose non-rdf content additions to use cases

14:34:32 <MacTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

14:34:43 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:34:43 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

14:34:45 <sandro> "This group is based on the idea of combining two Web-related concepts ... RDF ... and ... RESTful APIs".    Hard to see how that involved leaving out RDF.

Sandro Hawke: "This group is based on the idea of combining two Web-related concepts ... RDF ... and ... RESTful APIs". Hard to see how that involved leaving out RDF.

14:35:00 <sandro> (first sentence in the document.)

Sandro Hawke: (first sentence in the document.)

14:35:08 <stevebattle> Do I have a declared action item to propose use-cases updates?

Steve Battle: Do I have a declared action item to propose use-cases updates?

14:35:11 <ericP> +1 to at least one RDF serialization

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to at least one RDF serialization

14:35:15 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

14:35:26 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MacTed (44%), Arnaud (83%), Ashok_Malhotra (20%)

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MacTed (44%), Arnaud (83%), Ashok_Malhotra (20%)

14:37:00 <ericP> q?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q?

14:37:56 <Ashok_Malhotra> ack next

Ashok Malhotra: ack next

14:38:20 <sandro> zakim, mute ericP

Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute ericP

14:38:20 <Zakim> ericP should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP should now be muted

14:38:53 <ghard> +1 LD != RDF

Yrjana Rankka: +1 LD != RDF

14:39:18 <ericP> q+

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+

14:39:34 <sandro> zakim, unmute ericP

Sandro Hawke: zakim, unmute ericP

14:39:34 <Zakim> ericP should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP should no longer be muted

14:39:38 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

14:39:39 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:39:39 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

14:39:39 <dret> liking that interpretation of LD

Erik Wilde: liking that interpretation of LD

14:39:42 <MacTed> ack me

Ted Thibodeau: ack me

14:39:45 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:39:45 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

14:39:48 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MacTed (5%), Arnaud (34%), Ashok_Malhotra (48%), jkopecky (5%), ericP (16%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MacTed (5%), Arnaud (34%), Ashok_Malhotra (48%), jkopecky (5%), ericP (16%)

14:39:49 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

14:40:02 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1 to Ted

Ashok Malhotra: +1 to Ted

14:40:14 <AndyS> The key must be universal ... = URIs.

Andy Seaborne: The key must be universal ... = URIs.

14:41:04 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

14:41:14 <jkopecky> zakim, mute me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, mute me

14:41:14 <Zakim> jkopecky should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jkopecky should now be muted

14:41:17 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (81%), jkopecky (5%), ericP (65%)

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (81%), jkopecky (5%), ericP (65%)

14:41:35 <Ashok_Malhotra> zakim, mute me

Ashok Malhotra: zakim, mute me

14:41:35 <Zakim> Ashok_Malhotra should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ashok_Malhotra should now be muted

14:41:44 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

14:41:48 <sandro> q- ericP

Sandro Hawke: q- ericP

14:41:53 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

14:43:15 <gavinc> ack SteveS

Gavin Carothers: ack SteveS

14:43:48 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:43:52 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:43:52 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

14:43:53 <MacTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

14:44:06 <gavinc> sandro: quoting from charter "What is the minimum set of RDF datatypes that must be supported by clients and servers?"

Sandro Hawke: quoting from charter "What is the minimum set of RDF datatypes that must be supported by clients and servers?" [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ]

14:44:19 <gavinc> sandro: quoting from charter "Which RDF serialization syntax (eg Turtle or JSON-LD) must be supported by clients and servers?"

Sandro Hawke: quoting from charter "Which RDF serialization syntax (eg Turtle or JSON-LD) must be supported by clients and servers?" [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ]

14:44:58 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

14:45:40 <RezaBFar> The proposal I had put forth 2 weeks ago was not to just create a separation between Model and Serialization the way other examples, for e.g. OMG or Prov did.  I was not saying that we exclude RDF, but this kind of thing would allow for accommodating non-RDF stuff later.  But, as Arnaud pointed, it didn't seem to get much response from the group.

Reza B'Far: The proposal I had put forth 2 weeks ago was not to just create a separation between Model and Serialization the way other examples, for e.g. OMG or Prov did. I was not saying that we exclude RDF, but this kind of thing would allow for accommodating non-RDF stuff later. But, as Arnaud pointed, it didn't seem to get much response from the group.

14:45:54 <Arnaud> ack MacTed

Arnaud Le Hors: ack MacTed

14:46:06 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

14:46:22 <gavinc> +q to ask if there are other standards in Linked Data ... are we talking about Atom?

Gavin Carothers: +q to ask if there are other standards in Linked Data ... are we talking about Atom?

14:47:04 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:47:47 <sandro> "Which RDF serialization syntax (eg Turtle or JSON-LD)"

Sandro Hawke: "Which RDF serialization syntax (eg Turtle or JSON-LD)"

14:48:17 <ArthurK> Zakim, who is here?

Arthur Keen: Zakim, who is here?

14:48:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see antonis, dret, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, svillata, sandro, AndyS, SteveS, RezaBfar, Arnaud, Kalpa, stevebattle, ghard, jkopecky (muted), Arthur_Keen

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see antonis, dret, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, svillata, sandro, AndyS, SteveS, RezaBfar, Arnaud, Kalpa, stevebattle, ghard, jkopecky (muted), Arthur_Keen

14:48:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see ArthurK, LucasPanjer, jkopecky, RezaBFar, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Kalpa, stevebattle, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, dret, BartvanLeeuwen, svillata, ghard, antonis, MacTed,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ArthurK, LucasPanjer, jkopecky, RezaBFar, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Kalpa, stevebattle, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, dret, BartvanLeeuwen, svillata, ghard, antonis, MacTed,

14:48:20 <Zakim> ... betehess, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... betehess, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP

14:48:28 <dret> maybe people should start *always* saying "RDF model" or "RDF syntax", just to avoid confusions from now on.

Erik Wilde: maybe people should start *always* saying "RDF model" or "RDF syntax", just to avoid confusions from now on.

14:48:51 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:48:53 <sandro> except there is no RDF syntax, but, yes, point taken.

Sandro Hawke: except there is no RDF syntax, but, yes, point taken.

14:48:55 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

14:48:59 <sandro> ack gavinc

Sandro Hawke: ack gavinc

14:48:59 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to ask if there are other standards in Linked Data ... are we talking about Atom?

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to ask if there are other standards in Linked Data ... are we talking about Atom?

14:49:38 <dret> ok, correcting that to say "some RDF sytax, whatever one you may prefer"

Erik Wilde: ok, correcting that to say "some RDF sytax, whatever one you may prefer"

14:49:48 <dret> q+

Erik Wilde: q+

14:49:50 <oberger> RDF+XML isn't hard to say

Olivier Berger: RDF+XML isn't hard to say

14:50:06 <sandro> gavin: What experience is there with linked data OTHER than RDF?

Gavin Carothers: What experience is there with linked data OTHER than RDF? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:50:28 <sandro> dret: What about the Web?   Isn't that linked data?

Erik Wilde: What about the Web? Isn't that linked data? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:50:40 <AndyS> Where can we start?  Are there links other than URIs?

Andy Seaborne: Where can we start? Are there links other than URIs?

14:50:59 <sandro> gavin: Are we talking about extracting from HTML?   CSV?

Gavin Carothers: Are we talking about extracting from HTML? CSV? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:51:18 <sandro> dret: To call anything that you're doing REST, it has to be linked.  How you represent your data is up to you.

Erik Wilde: To call anything that you're doing REST, it has to be linked. How you represent your data is up to you. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:51:36 <MacTed> CSV = file format, MIME type, a serialization...

Ted Thibodeau: CSV = file format, MIME type, a serialization...

14:51:36 <MacTed> says nothing about whether the data within that CSV is linked (intra- or inter- or extra-) or not

Ted Thibodeau: says nothing about whether the data within that CSV is linked (intra- or inter- or extra-) or not

14:51:50 <sandro> dret: json or xml

Erik Wilde: json or xml [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:52:21 <sandro> gavin: So, in that case, what would there be to standardize in "linked data" beyond just "rest" (as you're talking about it).

Gavin Carothers: So, in that case, what would there be to standardize in "linked data" beyond just "rest" (as you're talking about it). [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:53:04 <sandro> dret: Our job would be to define th glue between those established restful patterns, and those doing RDF linked data, and wanting to expose that to a larger group of people -- wanting to expose that in a way that is consistent and can be reused, supported by software and frameworks.

Erik Wilde: Our job would be to define th glue between those established restful patterns, and those doing RDF linked data, and wanting to expose that to a larger group of people -- wanting to expose that in a way that is consistent and can be reused, supported by software and frameworks. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:53:54 <sandro> dret: RDF does not have a model of collections built in, so here is a way to support that.      So, the idea here is to bridge those gaps.    How do RDF folks expose certain concepts to the broader world.

Erik Wilde: RDF does not have a model of collections built in, so here is a way to support that. So, the idea here is to bridge those gaps. How do RDF folks expose certain concepts to the broader world. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:59:08 <antonis> arnaud: our default approach should be to deliver what is set in the charter and that is RDF.  The idea of non-RDF linked data is interesting, but may be too big a problem to tackle

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Arnaud Le Hors: our default approach should be to deliver what is set in the charter and that is RDF. The idea of non-RDF linked data is interesting, but may be too big a problem to tackle

15:00:02 <RezaBFar> Sandro - do you think that's feasible or not?  You were involved in Prov I believe at some point.  I don't necessarily want to drag this out beyond a simple proposal of separation since a religious discussion is not productive.

Reza B'Far: Sandro - do you think that's feasible or not? You were involved in Prov I believe at some point. I don't necessarily want to drag this out beyond a simple proposal of separation since a religious discussion is not productive.

15:00:06 <Zakim> -Arthur_Keen

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15:00:16 <dret> arnaud: maybe layers (non-RDF and specifically RDF ) could be an option, but that could be hard to do

Arnaud Le Hors: maybe layers (non-RDF and specifically RDF ) could be an option, but that could be hard to do [ Scribe Assist by Erik Wilde ]

15:00:30 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:00:32 <RezaBFar> @Sandro - to be more specific, do you think separation of model and serialization is feasible or should we drop it?

Reza B'Far: @Sandro - to be more specific, do you think separation of model and serialization is feasible or should we drop it?

15:00:38 <sandro> RezaBFar, I don't know if it's possible, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot more work.

Sandro Hawke: RezaBFar, I don't know if it's possible, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot more work.

15:00:55 <sandro> I'm a big fan or running, interoperable code.

Sandro Hawke: I'm a big fan or running, interoperable code.

15:01:03 <sandro> I'm a big fan of running, interoperable code.

Sandro Hawke: I'm a big fan of running, interoperable code.

15:01:14 <Arnaud> ack dret

Arnaud Le Hors: ack dret

15:01:48 <RezaBFar> Ok.

Reza B'Far: Ok.

15:02:13 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

15:03:27 <antonis> next meeting: 27th Aug

next meeting: 27th Aug

15:03:28 <stevebattle> q-

Steve Battle: q-

15:03:36 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: next LDP meeting 27-August-2012

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: next LDP meeting 27-August-2012

15:03:47 <dret> no meeting on labor day, then.

Erik Wilde: no meeting on labor day, then.

15:04:47 <Arnaud> action: stevebattle to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document

ACTION: stevebattle to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document

15:04:47 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - stevebattle

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - stevebattle

15:05:09 <stevebattle> thanks

Steve Battle: thanks

15:05:10 <ghard> Cheers

Yrjana Rankka: Cheers

15:05:12 <antonis> bye

bye

15:05:12 <dret> thanks everybody!

Erik Wilde: thanks everybody!

15:05:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> thank bye

Bart van Leeuwen: thank bye

15:05:15 <Zakim> -RezaBfar

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15:05:16 <Zakim> -dret

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15:05:18 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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15:05:19 <gavinc> ACTION: Steve to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document

ACTION: Steve to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document

15:05:19 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Steve

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Steve

15:05:19 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. sspeiche, sbattle2)

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15:05:20 <Zakim> -SteveS

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15:05:22 <Zakim> -antonis

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15:05:23 <Zakim> -svillata

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15:05:23 <Zakim> -ghard

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15:05:26 <Zakim> -AndyS

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15:05:28 <gavinc> ACTION: sbattle2 to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document

ACTION: sbattle2 to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document

15:05:28 <Zakim> -stevebattle

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15:05:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document [on Steve Battle - due 2012-08-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-9 - Propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document [on Steve Battle - due 2012-08-27].

15:05:30 <Zakim> -jkopecky

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15:05:32 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

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15:05:33 <Zakim> -Kalpa

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15:05:36 <Zakim> -sandro

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15:05:38 <Zakim> -gavinc

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15:05:40 <Zakim> -MacTed

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15:05:42 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

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15:05:42 <Zakim> Attendees were MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, dret, antonis, sandro, svillata, AndyS, SteveS, +44.117.370.aabb, RezaBfar, Arnaud, +1.937.775.aacc, Ashok_Malhotra,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, dret, antonis, sandro, svillata, AndyS, SteveS, +44.117.370.aabb, RezaBfar, Arnaud, +1.937.775.aacc, Ashok_Malhotra,

15:05:42 <Zakim> ... +44.117.370.aadd, Kalpa, ghard, jkopecky, stevebattle, +1.778.588.aaee, +1.512.433.aaff, Arthur_Keen, Lucas_Panjer, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.117.370.aadd, Kalpa, ghard, jkopecky, stevebattle, +1.778.588.aaee, +1.512.433.aaff, Arthur_Keen, Lucas_Panjer, ericP

15:06:04 <Arnaud> oops, we now have the same action entered three times?

Arnaud Le Hors: oops, we now have the same action entered three times?

15:06:15 <dret> maybe we could make the date for ACTION-9 on friday, so that people can review the proposal before the meeting?

Erik Wilde: maybe we could make the date for ACTION-9 on friday, so that people can review the proposal before the meeting?

15:06:37 <sandro> Arnaud, ignore what RRSAgent said about ACTIONS.  It's only what trackbot says that's remembered.

Sandro Hawke: Arnaud, ignore what RRSAgent said about ACTIONS. It's only what trackbot says that's remembered.

15:06:56 <Arnaud> ah, ok

Arnaud Le Hors: ah, ok

15:06:58 <Arnaud> thanks

Arnaud Le Hors: thanks

15:07:18 <Arnaud> I think dret's suggestion is good

Arnaud Le Hors: I think dret's suggestion is good

15:07:39 <MacTed> action-9?

Ted Thibodeau: ACTION-9?

15:07:39 <trackbot> ACTION-9 -- Steve Battle to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document -- due 2012-08-27 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-9 -- Steve Battle to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document -- due 2012-08-27 -- OPEN

15:07:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/9

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/9

15:08:09 <MacTed> there's an edit link on that page (lower right) so you can change date or whatever appropriate

Ted Thibodeau: there's an edit link on that page (lower right) so you can change date or whatever appropriate



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