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1. Open Government Information and Data in New Zealand (Keitha Booth)

Unknown Keitha_: ...Clear Cabinet decision and intent “proactive disclosure” OIA review ←

phil, i'm sorry, audio is again too bad here - may i ask you to take over with scribing? ←

Phil Archer: ... data must be published on data.govt.nz. Praised by Andrew Stott but he also noted that it's not being used enough ←

Unknown Keitha_: emphasises use of CSV as open format [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

Unknown Keitha: Highlights some users of NZ data, such as Zoodle [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

Phil Archer: ... koordinates hosts a lot of topographical info. used a lot by government itself (scribe I think I caught that right) ←

... also holiday makers. Lots of Apps for tide tables, tourist-related Apps etc. Often collaborations between gov departments and local groups ←

Unknown Keitha_: Working on strategy for 2017. AN update of current eGov strategies. Managing data as a strategic asset is an important part of that ←

Unknown Keitha: We'd like it to be free, but we're not able to go as far as free. It's the cost of dissemination ←

Phil Archer: Can you measure the economic benefit oft he data? and can that show that the revenue more than covers the cost of publication? ←

Unknown Keitha: Looked at Uk and Aus. The normal cost-benefit analysis won't work. Advised to focus on higher level economic impacts ←

Unknown laurenceNZ: I think it is more the economic benefit rather than revenue ←

Unknown Keitha_: Looking ahead to analysis in 3 years' time to whether we have met the target for the system as a whole ←

Tomasz Janowski: Is there some systematic way to measure impact on gov and priv sector? ←

Unknown Keitha: Not at the moment. We're relying on what departmetns are telling us ←

Unknown Keitha: Had an early benchmark report but it was too early to give us an answer on that. But I'm happy to report back in 6 months' time ←

Unknown laurenceNZ: There was an EU case study that showed a 1.7%impact on GDP from open data ←

Unknown laurenceNZ: Links to work from the EU that gives some teeth to the economic value argument. The headline is "direct and indirect economic benefits for the economy are of the order of 1.7% of GDP" .. which should be a compelling story. LINKS: the research http://bit.ly/MJFd9X the powerpoint http://bit.ly/N20GeZ Also some work, led by Deloitte, into the pricing of PSI: the powerpoint http://bit.ly/M7VvNO the summary report (2MB) http://bit.ly/KIti1N full repo[CUT] ←

Unknown thschee: Translating a lot of info from OKFN and elsewhere. Open Data movement growing in Taiwan ←

Phil Archer: Notes that Wang Mei-Hsueh, Academia Sinica Research Center for Information Technology Innovation, Taiwan took part in last year's W3C workshop on this (Deirdre and GwynSutherlin were there ;-) http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/agenda ←

Unknown thschee: Portals like data.gov.tw often launched in a bit of a rush - c'est la vie ←

Unknown thschee: We have 3 portals but licensing not consistent, not all free and so on so developers are having a hard time getting the data. ←

Unknown thschee: Monitoring usage of Apps so we can see the demand - which is high ←

... if you are creating Apps using the Taiwan open data - you;re doing better than the gov wehich is finding it a little hard ←

... some people doing better job of publishing gov data by scraping Web sites than gov itself doing by publishing the data ←

Phil Archer: Can you expand on the issue of people being reluctant to publish their data through fear ←

Unknown thschee: We're working to expose the work and get it on the agenda of politicians through the media ←

... with launch of open data portals, lots of companies behind gov tenders, some thought it would be a good cash cow... ←

Phil Archer: So with talk about open source and companies circling round looking for contacts - why go for Microsoft rather than, for e.g. CKAN? ←

Brand Niemann: I have found that some commercial products are more mature for data federation than CKAN ←

Tomasz Janowski: On your last slide - do you have a concept of maturity in the use of open gov data? ←

Unknown thschee: The tech start ups are pretty mature. They know about the limitations, esp. of licnces etc. ←

3. Research on US Federal Government Handling of Data (Brand Niemann)

... been asked to help the Data Transparency Coalition (see recent talk by Hudson Hollister) ←

Look at Mosaic effect where multiple sources of data together reveal personal or otehr data that might be detrimental to national security ←

Brand Niemann: People I speak to are all supportive but they're looking for ROI. We need something soon or we'll move on to something else ←

Brand Niemann: We already have a good deal of knowledge about open government data. Refers to recent NIST conference on cloud copmputing ←

... someone from intelligence community looking at potential mosaic effect, someone with good background in data analytics ←

slide 7. NIEM admits not had as much success with working with private sector as they'd like. Oracle prob had more success at implementing NIEM than NIEM itself ←

Brand Niemann: Govs need chief data officers, they need teams of data scientists and statisticians... ←

... they need a return on investment. I've been saying they should work with the right people/skills ←

... Spotfire dashboard seems more stable and powerful than, for example, CKAN ←

slide 12 shows the Japanese yearbook in the dashboard. Takes a while to load but very powerful ←

Todd Park's deputy reckons that city data is prob more valuable than the national stuff ←

Unknown Keitha: What is the definition of statistics. In NZ we're moving in the open data world - the stuff they have is mostly survey results cf. administrative data - stuff that doesn't come from surveys ←

Brand Niemann: We had a recent conference with the Association of Public Data users. The people from that stat community (framework data) all realisedd that there's this new source of data from social media ←

... it's scary as it's not collected methodically, But they recoignise it's improtant ←

... meanwhile the social media people are becoming aware of the otehr community ←

... we need to brign the two together of course. It's exciting to work with both ←

... the proceedings of that are interesting. People from statistical agencies looking at how social media data can be brought in in such a way that the stat agencies can use ←

Todd Park has said that data scientists need to come to our hackathons and expalin what this data means ←

Unknown Keitha: Let's keep talking. The otehr area for us is anonymisation of personal data ←

... you talked about security etc. I'd like to continue talking about that with you. Tends to be about anonymisation of survey datam rather than admin data ←

Brand Niemann: People who work on the data are sworn to lie - i.e. not reveal what they've seen - and then they aggregate up until it becomes anonymous ←

Tomasz Janowski: Next meeting topic is open to suggestion. We've had 5 on this topic ←

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eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 21 January 2013

1. Open Government Information and Data in New Zealand (Keitha Booth)

2. From 0 to 5 Cities - Open Data in Taiwan (TH Schee)

3. Research on US Federal Government Handling of Data (Brand Niemann)